When using a sidereal chart that is based on the Edgar Cayce readings the first thing you notice is the stellium of Mer, Ura, Sun, Mars, & Ven all in the 8th house which is ruled by Jup placed in the 10th. The Sun is the ruler of the chart in a tight con with Mars. Mars is the Lord of the MC. Using the essential dignities, the Sun (lord of the Asc) is in the term, trip, and face of Mars. Mars (Lord of the 9th and 4th) is in its own term, trip, and face. Saturn is exalted in the 3rd and also in its own trip, in a mutual reception by term with Venus and by face with the Moon. Any thoughts on this?
It would be nice if you gave us this sidereal chart you refer to.
As no one was ever able to get Edgar to state exactly how far off the two systems were/are from each other...it would still amount to to a uncertain degree of speculation. Yet, I haven't read any of Ry Redd's work, in fact I never heard of him until today, so it may be possible that Mr. Redd has determined this difference. I'll try to get a copy of the book, it sounds very interesting.
[You are aware that in all readings that dealt with anything other than physical ailments or conditions of the physical body it wasn't Edgar speaking [or may have been very little]. He was channeling. This was questioned by the officers of the ARE in a reading in 1935. Cayce was asked to what extent is the information given by Cayce on matters pertaining to other than the physical body coming from the most esoteric and occult group of legend, "The Great White Brotherhood"
Reading 254-83, Feb. 14, 1935,
The reading began with a acknowledgement that the ARE had become aware of some other source of the information other than the soul of Edgar and an expression of thanks and gratitude. Edgar replied; "Yes, we-from the source of all knowledge that is promised in Him salute thee, and give that which will be helpful...[I leave out the lengthy speech that ensued, it was just words of positive reinforcement] ...Then, from the heights of those experiences, those hierarchies in the earth and in the air, we come as messengers of truth to those who will hear, and question."
"Q. To what extent are the Masters of the Great White Brotherhood directing the activities of Edgar Cayce? Who are the Masters directly in charge?"
"A. Messengers from the higher forces that may manifest from the Throne of Grace itself"
"Q. Who are the Masters directly in charge? Is Saint Germain-"
"A. [interrupting] Those that are directed by the Lord of lords, The Kings of kings, Him that came that ye might be one with the Father"
"Q. Is Saint Germain among them? Who is Halaliel?"
"A. These are all but messengers of the Most High. Halaliel is that one who from the beginning has been as a leader of the heavenly host, who has defied Ariel, who has made the ways that have been heavy-but as the means for the understanding."
"Q. Is Saint Germain among them?"
"A. When needed."
I felt it was necessary to present this as to your bringing Cayce into this thread and people have a right to know...should know...the background story pertaining to the Cayce material.]
As to Planetary rulership of Jupiter, I don't concur with the current notion that it is the Piscean and nor do some other folks that I know of that are privy to other sources of info. IMHO, Jupiter is the planetary ruler of Capricorn and Aquarius, the Planet that once was located between Mars and Jupiter must still be accounted for even though it has been shattered into the rubble now known as the asteroids. I believe it is the book "Hamlets Mill" that states that "Lucifer shattered the planet in order to confuse man's psyche", but don't exactly recall. My brother read this and quoted it to me in 1984 and I seem to recall that was the source.
Houses are another issue, with me anyways, since determining that the Theosophists school of "Esoteric Astrology" is at least partially correct in stating that the procession of the 360 degrees should be followed in reverse of the "Traditional or Orthodox' method...the only thing is, it commences at the 30th degree of Virgo...at least as to reading and understanding the entire process of transformation involved in the 360 degrees. When this is understood that it is the correct direction then the question arises if whether what is considered to now be the 12th house in a chart is not indeed the 1st house...and a host of other assorted, related questions that it produces.
I do want to apologize for the "knee-jerk reactionary" way in which I responded to your statement about Mr. Cayce. This forum is ever subjected to comments by those that mis-quote, or falsely quote, Edgar in an attempt to cast suspicion or doubt on others beliefs or what research they've done and have presented.
I was being somewhat dis-honest in that I knew of Cayce's readings concerning the discrepancies but as Mr. Cayce never specifically used or spoke the term "Sidereal", I was speaking a 'half truth'. as it being your first post in this forum I figured you for just some 'trouble maker', or troll, that had no real knowledge of Cayce or the readings. [...and that does happen, in this forum and others that I've written and posted in.].
I look forward to anything more you might post on this subject of Sidereal and the work of Ry Redd. [Although I will continue to use a Tropical chart for my own work for the reason that, as I stated, I have no real use for the Signs of the Zodiac themselves...only as for reference as to placement of astro-influences and Sabian Symbol placement in respect to the Solar year.]
One last thing. I have thought about this previously and now find myself having to face up to it and address it. As we are dealing with a natal chart for the USA, regardless of what date it actually was in the 18th century, should it then not be taken into consideration that, as some over than 225 years have passed, one should consider that any, present day, transiting conjunction to any thing on said natal charts is now some 3 degrees different? Could it be that there is then two points to take into consideration, [for us Sabian Symbol employing astrologers anyways] as that transiting force does still interface with the same symbolism at the same Tropical point, [of which I already stated there is overwhelming evidence of] then to that of the Tropical and to the actual Zodiacal degree in the Sidereal?
If so, then maybe the Part of Transformation has another point some three degrees away[?] Maybe they both need to be taken into consideration?
questions...questions...questions...
