Black Moon Lillith

Kingsley

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They could be fears Flea, however in my mind its the fears or other emotions that have created and separated Lilith from conscious workings. Apparently your Lilith may emerge with respects to your sense of authority, dignity and public presence. Usually Lilith can be tracked back from some of the more vulnerable aspect dynamics in the chart. There may not be any connections between these and Lilith however Lilith tends to run in the backgound, ready to respond or show intensity. Lilith can be the potency others sense about you and that you may not understand.

Lilith is a therapist dancing with your shadow in a good ways, or Lilith is an attraction to someone that you cannot explain. The default explanation for the intensity might easily be described as a sexual one.

k
 

Frisiangal

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Kingsley said:
They could be fears Flea, however in my mind its the fears or other emotions that have created and separated Lilith from conscious workings.

Hi Kingsley,
Do you mean that it's Lilith ( as per the Black Moon called Lilith) which inwardly creates the fears and emotions, or is it the fears and emotions as expressed per/through other planets that BML separates from, and/or separate BML from working consciously?

with BML there is a sub-demon part of personality where expressions are more non verbal.

You wrote this in an earlier post and my own observations/study show the same. It's the negative emotional expression side of BML that inwardly creates the negative thoughts/feelings/ actions that can then become 'the demons that haunt us.'

Regards,

Friesiangal
 

Kingsley

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Put it this way Frisiangal; when a person experiences some kind of trauma the brain does some pretty weird things. The shock and feelings of devestation or despair are sent to the back of the brain (I cant remember which part of brain that is, its too early here) These feelings 'live' in a separate, split off kind of manner from the rest of the system. The notion of PTSD perhaps explains how a split off part of our psyche can be activated through memories which produce anxieties in the body.

Black Moon Lilith is what I am talking about. The BML doesn't necessarily have to be split off from personality although it seems that way when it comes of its own accord and is incongruous to other parts of personality.

Like all points and planets in the chart there is a multi facet of meanings foe personality make up. Whether these parts of personality are hereditary, from a past life or we learned them from our parents, the Lilith is the same. Lilith does not cause feelings but represents a "process" whereby these separated parts of personality emerge into actual personality. BML is the result of psychological or past life indicators which for whatever reason, are required to opperate separately and or in conjunction to ones personality. There may be an incongruous element of personality revealed via Lilith and it can be only likenned to the process of PTSD symptoms and behaviours rather than be actually labelled that. When I talk about split off parts of the psyche in terms of Lilith perhaps it represents feelings which cannot be expressed in a normal sense but expressed they are with Lilith.

kingsley
 

flea

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Kingsley,

My major relationship was with someone who had their venus tight conjunct juno and MC, and 2 deg off my lilith which makes sense of what you say. Since that relationship I think I am working more consciously with it.

I also have a sense that people see something in me that they are not wquite comfortable with, maybe potency is a good way to put it. The non verbal experssions you talk of have got me talking. Thankyou for enlightening me.

Love Light Flea
 

Kingsley

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Oh, ok so are you saying it was a synastry combination to your lilith? That will say something about the relationship I imagine, however what I wrote below was for a single natal chart. Sorry I got that wrong Flea.

k
 

flea

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kingsley....
sometimes mistakes are well.... and synastry has to be connected with the projection of our inner selves onto others.... so maybe not far wrong at all.

Thanks again anyways
Flea
 

Frisiangal

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Thank you for your explanation, Kingsley.
I think we look at Black Moon called Lilith from a similar perspective but you have a better way of explaining it than I?:)

Frisiangal
 

libradragon

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Fascinating discussion here, adn the bit about anima really caught my attention. In the synastry chart with my boyfriend, my lilith is exactly conjunct his DC by 5 _seconds_, barely putting my lilith in his 7th house. In 0 degree Capricorn.

It's turbulent (our suns and moons are square), but ASC are trine. And lots of good stuff around mercury and neptune. But man, oh man, is this ever a relationship of transformation. For both of us. I'm not sure if we're going to make it or not!

LibraDragon
 

Kingsley

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Hello Libradragon, yes I can concurr with the intensity of that sort of Lilith synastry. Ther can be a real teasing-innuendo flirting aspect going on. Watch out when Pluto gets back into Capricorn because he will transform things somewhat.

kingsley
 

tanamarios

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My Lilith is in Taurus in my eighth house and conjuncts with natal Taurus Jupiter.
I just want to know the general effect on me.
 

Kingsley

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Depends whether Jupiter is you asc ruler. That could make a big difference or whether Jupiter is ruler of 8th.

Perhaps its a polyanna Lilith
or lilith emerges with a sense of rightiousness? When teaching or preaching that part of you (lilith) can emerge. Perhaps there will always be something to learn with that jupiter-lilith?

Cultural or religious connections to lilith might be too obvious however exaggerating might be one way Lilith and jupiter might work.

Hope they are some hints for you.

kingsley
 

tanamarios

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Kingsley said:
Depends whether Jupiter is you asc ruler. That could make a big difference or whether Jupiter is ruler of 8th.

Perhaps its a polyanna Lilith
or lilith emerges with a sense of rightiousness? When teaching or preaching that part of you (lilith) can emerge. Perhaps there will always be something to learn with that jupiter-lilith?

Cultural or religious connections to lilith might be too obvious however exaggerating might be one way Lilith and jupiter might work.

Hope they are some hints for you.

kingsley
Thanks for the answer.
I'm Capricorn Sun , Virgo ASC and Aries ruling the 8th house. Mars in Sagittarius in the 3rd house conjunct IC.
 

Sag Moon

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Kingsley said:
Put it this way Frisiangal; when a person experiences some kind of trauma the brain does some pretty weird things. The shock and feelings of devestation or despair are sent to the back of the brain (I cant remember which part of brain that is, its too early here) These feelings 'live' in a separate, split off kind of manner from the rest of the system. The notion of PTSD perhaps explains how a split off part of our psyche can be activated through memories which produce anxieties in the body.

Black Moon Lilith is what I am talking about. The BML doesn't necessarily have to be split off from personality although it seems that way when it comes of its own accord and is incongruous to other parts of personality.

Like all points and planets in the chart there is a multi facet of meanings foe personality make up. Whether these parts of personality are hereditary, from a past life or we learned them from our parents, the Lilith is the same. Lilith does not cause feelings but represents a "process" whereby these separated parts of personality emerge into actual personality. BML is the result of psychological or past life indicators which for whatever reason, are required to opperate separately and or in conjunction to ones personality. There may be an incongruous element of personality revealed via Lilith and it can be only likenned to the process of PTSD symptoms and behaviours rather than be actually labelled that. When I talk about split off parts of the psyche in terms of Lilith perhaps it represents feelings which cannot be expressed in a normal sense but expressed they are with Lilith.

kingsley

This is interesting only because I have been thinking of the subject and suffer from it.

BML is right before my Asc at an Aries point and I have a T-Square at my Aries Points Angular so they are very charged.

Just like Cops and others that have seen a lot I need to deal with the worst of what life has had to offer.I do not wallow in self pity,turn to drugs and alcohol to relieve it,but it is hard at times when thinking about what I have seen.

Astrology has often helped with explaining the why me part of the equation so I do not dwell on that wither.

I also know that there are those who have gone mad trying to deal with their lives so mine is small in comparison.

Drs. See much that needs to be dealt with and the worst cases.I often wonder how they can do it. I have worked in hospitals before and what is seen by some professionals is heartbreaking. I just do not have the strength and I am strong mind wise.

BML has to have some hard aspects for it to be associated with PTSD I would think. I would hate to have to take psycho drugs for it.I do suffer from high anxiety which I thought was depression at one time.

The professionals I have seen misdiagnosed me for many things when I have asked for help and it has taken some time to see what is going on mentally or understand it.
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BML=PTSD Interesting angle
 

Sag Moon

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aquarius7000 said:
..And me does, too, just like Draco and Kingsley. I also think that Saturn or Uranus etc..are much more influential through the aspects they make, or perhaps even through their mere placements in a natal chart, all of which will play out much stronger than a star or asteroid would. Ok, the only 'extra' that I include is Chiron mainly, and yes, sometimes, I am inclined to at least understand the influence of BML.

:)aquarius7000

It is hard for me to seperate the influences of the bodies mentioned due to having them placed at exact aspects in my chart.BML=Asc trined by Chiron 9th exact.

I never use to think much of secondary bodies until I saw some show up when certain things occureed in my life and having them highlighted in sensitive area's of my personal chart.

I might add the secondary bodies to a chart I am interested in after looking at the traditional and if they conjunct angles or are placed at important points I do take notice.WHat they might mean is another thing and I do not make to much out of them unlesss the client says something which strikes me.

Fixed Stars I think are important,but one must do a lot of study to see hoow they work in the subjects life.
 

teaky

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I hope this is not out of topic

transit Venus now conjunct my natal BM Lillith at 3 degree
and also transit BM Lilith conjunct my natal Venus at 3 degree as well

I just don't know what might happend, can somebody please shed some light? Thank in advance :)
 
I have Lilith in Gemini, 5th House, square Moon (05 minutes). I don't like this at all. I dread hard aspects from darker planets, or Eclipses for that matter. The Solar Eclipse of May 2003 was 01 degree, 12 minutes from my Lilith. Those few months I really got an understanding of the dark side of Lilith. During that time I had to separate from my girlfriend and one year old daughter. I was homeless, on the run from the law. I lived in abandonned, derelict houses on main roads, or in parks, under bridges if it was raining. It was the most emotionally trying time I've been through; and I've been through lots. All my possessions were in one bag, it was half full of my astrology notes and books.

I don't think I've ever heard of Lilith being related to addictions. But during this time I had to confront what my addictions were doing to my life. I conquered amphetimine addiction. So that just left me with heroin, gambling, tobacco and pornograpgy!

Hard transits to my Lilith make me feel dark too. Dark, even nasty. I remember being very lonely. A strange sense of being vulnerable but also being so low as to not care, which made me feel fearless. If I senses someone looking at me I would shapeshift to a winged devil to scare them.

So getting a little closer to Lilith gave me more understanding of the darker side of me and my environment. I accept I have this dark side. I don't show it often but always know it's there. She comes out when need, for protection of me or loved ones. Is it really so bad to be dark if it's needed. You have to use what you've got.
 

flea

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Juno and lilith have just gone over my sun, around the equinox too. My journey has been one of a learning rather than an experience. I have come to realise that as a part of the source of all there is, I have all possibilties in me, like and dark. By honouring all and accepting and loving it all, I have the chance to be truly in balance. In having accepted all possibilties, I am not resisting my capacity to kill, and cause pain, or my ability to bring love and understanding to myself and others. That energy of resistance can then go to making conscious choices, and not driven from hidden desires.

As I say it is an intellectual understanding I have been made aware of recently. I have had times past where my dark side has expressed itself, and generated huge amounts of fear. Yet I find myself having to reassess what good or bad means, what is the real nature of life.

Oh lilith and juno are conjunct on my MC too, so there is a life theme that has been expressed in me this equinox, the same time as I created a vibrational spray with a friend called "Tue to You", the light and the dark came together from what we were wearing to the crystals we chose to bring. It was quite awesome, big day, I felt I really touched the depth and height of emotions yesterday.

Oh and it was sun square pluto yesterday too, and I have sun square pluto tight in my birth chart. Lilith is about owning who you really are, rather than running away. Loving the fear, opens the gift of lilith.

My thoughts still settling

A Resonant Flea
 

Sag Moon

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witch6 said:
well girl power is always welcome:D .although,this is more ***** power

A Female AStrologer\Witch named Starhawk was profiled in Mt.Astrologer and she had BML=Sn MC .
Cybil Leek another famous astrologer\Witch .She also had BML=Sn /Ve on the 4th.

I have BML=Asc and am not into witchcraft or Satanism,but have meet those who are including a Warlock.I am closer to being a seer, having Ju trine Pluto exact, then anything else although I do not profess to being one it's only I know I have many experiences which show me events before they occur through dreams and visions.

I was wondering where your BML is in your chart.

Cybil Leek had some extrodinary events which occured and were eluded to by others who knew her.

Anyway was just wondering where your BML is in your chart.
TIA
 
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