Being a Victim and Neptune

Lin

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Midnight Sun, (first must say I did not read every post on this thread.)

It doesn't take long for children to 'psychically pick up' signals about other children.
Timid children, non-combatives are always targets.
You have a lot of 'water' in your chart and very few squares.
You were unsure of your identity and didn't know you could fight back and it isn't in your character to be a fighter.
and you said,
"So I really wonder if there is anyone lived an abuse similar to mine with having a strong Neptune in their birth chart? I want to discuss why strong Neptune people have to live experiences like that, what can be the aim of it? "

It really isn't realistic or useful to try to figure out the 'aim' of abuse of any kind. People can just suck at any age.
The important thing is to become ASSERTIVE!
And guess what? Assertiveness is a skill you can learn. It takes some practice and a couple of good books or a trainer, but you can do it yourself.
Also, reading a book like "Creative Visualization" can help you.

You can't change the past. You can only do 2 things: learn enough to not ever let it happen again, and NOT ever BE the abuser.
Having an ascendant that doesn't say "beware" is a drawback. It's just the luck of the draw. You need to work on whatever shortcomings your chart has....that's just the way it is.
By the way, your Progressed ascendant is now in Scorpio so you should not be having this issue anymore...are you?
LIN
p.s. I like this "typeface" .....what is its name?
 
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midnight sun

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Midnight Sun, (first must say I did not read every post on this thread.)

It doesn't take long for children to 'psychically pick up' signals about other children.
Timid children, non-combatives are always targets.
You have a lot of 'water' in your chart and very few squares.
You were unsure of your identity and didn't know you could fight back and it isn't in your character to be a fighter.
and you said,
"So I really wonder if there is anyone lived an abuse similar to mine with having a strong Neptune in their birth chart? I want to discuss why strong Neptune people have to live experiences like that, what can be the aim of it? "

It really isn't realistic or useful to try to figure out the 'aim' of abuse of any kind. People can just suck at any age.
The important thing is to become ASSERTIVE!
And guess what? Assertiveness is a skill you can learn. It takes some practice and a couple of good books or a trainer, but you can do it yourself.
Also, reading a book like "Creative Visualization" can help you.

You can't change the past. You can only do 2 things: learn enough to not ever let it happen again, and NOT ever BE the abuser.
Having an ascendant that doesn't say "beware" is a drawback. It's just the luck of the draw. You need to work on whatever shortcomings your chart has....that's just the way it is.
By the way, your Progressed ascendant is now in Scorpio so you should not be having this issue anymore...are you?
LIN
p.s. I like this "typeface" .....what is its name?

Hi Lin, thanks for your comment

Yes I don't live these kind of things anymore because I work so much on it.

I believe learning the aim and the astrological connection is important. It's important for learning and understand astrology and for finding the root of the problem and solving it. Because changing doesn't clean the subconscious.

As I have so much Pluto influence, I could never leave an issue unsolved even if years passed over it. And this influence also help me to solve very hard problems and release my "real identity". If Neptune is left alone in my chart, it would be so hard to understand it.

I'm still discovering more problems which Neptune causes in my chidhood. Interestingly, they come to surface by dreams, help from Neptunian energy.

I guess what "Creative Visualization" is about. I'm working on a similar thing for cleaning subconscious.
I'm sorry I don't understand what is "typeface"? If you mean the font, I never pay attention to it.
 

Lost_spirit

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Hello again midnight sun!I've had the same school experiences with you,but I always thought it was connected to Saturn and Pluto in my 3rd house.My best friend from school also has the same placement and we both had a really hard time at school,we were the outcasts and we were literally afraid to make any movements or express ourselves because the bullies were always looking for a chance to humiliate us in front of the whole class.I also have the ruler of my 12th moon in the 11th house-dissapointments through friends.I never thought Neptune this way,but maybe it could make someone be so nice to the point of being taken advantage of.Or it could create illusions and dissapointments about people.It does not nessecerily have to do with the school years.
 

Little_God

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I have Asperger's Syndrome and ( typically ) have been seriously bullied throughout my life; both at school and at work. Here are the placements I have which I think are to do with it:

Saturn in the 11th house, ruling the 3rd house.

Chiron in the 7th house, opposite Mars and square the midheaven.

Sun-Mercury-Pluto conjunction in Libra.
 

Little_God

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I might add to my previous post that I would think that bullying would be very much to do with Saturn. It is a very lonely, isolating experience, isolation being everything to do with Saturn.
 

Munch

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I use a whole sign system which puts your Neptune in the 4th house rather than the 3rd.

I have Neptune personalized in a Moon/Venus/Neptune stellium in Sagittarius. I will say that I have had unclear perceptions of others based on a projected ideology. I think this has encouraged people to be deceptive with me as they attempt to play the role that I have cast for them (A Libra rising with Pluto, Jupiter and Saturn in the 1st can work some psychological mojo like you wouldn't believe and get people to do just about anything.). I too have been deceptive at times. This little game orchestrated by me also went largely unnoticed by me. It was a program running in the background until VERY recently. Any thoughts of how people were abusing my feelings and trust came to an abrupt end when I realized that I was starting all of the nonsense. Too bad it took me 30 years to figure out. lol.

Anyway, I never look to any ONE aspect to explain anything anymore. Instead, I look for several aspects that seem to be saying the same thing and supporting a theme. You may have a Venus/Saturn opposition, but your Venus out classes Saturn in muscle if you know what I mean. You weren't able to be pushed into any overt nonsense because Venus is in rulership in slow moving Taurus. You are probably extremely slow to anger and with Libra rising, you are also prone to seek diplomacy rather than violence or outburst. As usual, I hope my ramblings make sense.

I see several influences in your chart that point towards passive aggressive behavior which is notorious for starting things and then saying...'Who? Little 'ole me? I never!' I only say this so bluntly because my chart is plagued with them too. It's a tough lesson, but you should really consider taking time to examine your past actions in childhood. Use that wonderful Libra rising ability to step into the other people's shoes and see if you can't find a behavior that might have helped fan the flames as it were.
 

Claire19

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I've had similiar experiences like that in my early school years... And Neptune is prominent in my chart...
But I thought it was more due to my mars-saturn conjunction in 3rd house in my case. Interesting to hear if other people link it to Neptune.
3rd house and Mercury are linked to our school days and peer groups, those we see on a regular basis
 

Claire19

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Well, at the end I handled the issue very different than women and most men. I had decided to kill him and organize a meeting. (guess I watched too many american films:biggrin:) But then Neptune influenced Mars just dissolved my anger. I just end up crying but after that no one ever disturbed me again. :) Then, in years I learned to defense myself more and give the people around me the feeling that they can't say anything they want to me. I learned that this is just a border thing. One has to show her/his borders to other people.
You do have to set your barriers and have others respect your space and if you dont do that for yourself then others pick up on it.
I have Mars conjunct Neptune in the 8th and have come close to sexual attack and only that I dissolved into tears, that it defrayed it and I was spared.......Later on I made sure I was never in a position of vulnerability again and so that lesson was learned.
 

scorpittarian

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I've neptune/uranus on the ascendant trine virgo moon, saturn intercepted in the 1st & pluto in the 10th & interestingly, i was never bullied by people in my school or anywhere around.

pluto in the 10th did introduce me to sexual abuse as a kid. I used to hang out with a group of kids & the eldest of all was a guy who would always try to get me alone & touch me in the wrong places. I never had the courage to tell anyone coz i thought he would put all the blame on me. So i shut my mouth & tried staying away from him.

I spent my childhood days as a timid child, with one or two friends, the loner in the class. My school has a reputation for being mean. Guys of all schools say that my school has the prettiest meanie-mos. So it was really difficult to handle the pressure for a person with saturn in the 1st. But i dont remember being tormented by my fellow classmates. I always thought of my school as my second home.

i was always protected by my parents perhaps over protected. I was emotionally distant from them, thought they didnt love me. I still dont share my pain with them. my parents were over bearing & here too i didnt have the guts to speak.
They wouldnt let me go out(I would never ask), school's catholic so the nuns never let any such thing happen.

I blossomed late in matters of the heart. In year 12, i had my 1st relationship....I never used to believe in love n all....used 2 consider it ****. With this guy, things changed. Because of him, i took my 1st step into the world. That's when i learnt that everything wasnt as preety as i had thought. Met people who wanted 2 use me for various reasons & started losing whatever innocence & goodness i had.

Since then I haven't allowed any1 to victimise me. I also have sag sun conjunct mars in the 11th & mars square moon, both combative aspects. Anyone messes with me & i don't really leave that person without a punch in the face.
 

Little_God

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I have heard that the fixed star Zosma is associated with victims, and being bullied. It is close to my 11th house Saturn, so I guess that would mean problems socialising and making friends due to a tendency to get picked on and bullied.
 

Choe

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I have heard that the fixed star Zosma is associated with victims, and being bullied. It is close to my 11th house Saturn, so I guess that would mean problems socialising and making friends due to a tendency to get picked on and bullied.

Fixed stars seem to be really powerful,and sort of destiny bringers. Where is Zosma at,degree and sign?

edit: Ok,I found a neat list. At Virgo 11degree: http://critters.50megs.com/planet/fixedstars2.htm
 
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CapAquaPis

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I like to know the influence of Neptune in the 6th house and when it's in Sagittarius (Neptune rules that sign) esp. for those born in the early 1980s. It comes to our attention on Uranus is a generational planet and its presence in Scorpio moving onto Sagittarius and for me, 5th house has an ill effect on the so-called "Generation Y" (starting in 1978 or 1981 to end in the years 1990 or 1993). Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and Pluto crossed the same signs at any time over the next two decades (1980 to 2000).

Fixed stars such as Arcturus, Canopus, Procyon and Sirius the brightest in the night sky are used by astrologers for ages to predict the future. The summer triangle stars Vega, Deneb and Altair on the other side were also used. To watch a fixed star rise and set based on latitude, longitude and most of all: degree separation form a planet, comes handy and is useful.
 

Ion

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Hi ,
I do not think that Neptune was the source of your distress . I believe that the problem was caused by a closing conjunction between Uranus (the rascal in this instance) and Neptune .

Ion
 

hknt99

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i have neptune/moon/venus/uranus in 10th conjunction
comparing my childhood with my friend's i can define my self a little bit as a victim,..
the worst thing was growing up watching my parents fighting which continued during my school where i was fighting very often with boys from the other classes. as i grew up the older guys seems that they would never like me, i was tall skinny boy and sometimes i was getting few kicks and punches. but is ok, im big boy now, those who abused me, are paying now..
 
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CapAquaPis

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i have neptune/moon/venus/uranus in 10th conjunction
comparing my childhood with my friend's i can define my self a little bit as a victim,..
the worst thing was growing up watching my parents fighting which continued during my school where i was fighting very often with boys from the other classes. as i grew up the older guys seems that they would never like, i was tall skinny boy and sometimes i was getting few kicks and punches. but is ok, im big boy now, those who abused me, are paying now..

I feel sorry to read about your childhood, but like a few other members posted on this thread, I have autism (high functioning or mild form) and can remember when I was a child, to encountered a level of teasing, taunting and not so good treatment by peers going through public school.

I found a Mars-Jupiter-Saturn plus Lilith "collision" in Virgo/the 3rd house. To read it carefully and dive down to symbolism, Mars is the war planet while Jupiter means Luck and Saturn stands for fate, with Lilith named for the biblical demon-ess of harm. I say that won't do any good with me.
 

Choe

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i have neptune/moon/venus/uranus in 10th conjunction
comparing my childhood with my friend's i can define my self a little bit as a victim,..
the worst thing was growing up watching my parents fighting which continued during my school where i was fighting very often with boys from the other classes. as i grew up the older guys seems that they would never like me, i was tall skinny boy and sometimes i was getting few kicks and punches. but is ok, im big boy now, those who abused me, are paying now..

How are they paying? :happy: I believe many of us have been abused as teenagers or children at some point.It's just that the teenage world is full of immature malicious kids and the physical aggressors are often frustrated themselves.

I agree that Mars/Saturn aspect can attract aggression.
 
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Little_God

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I think at the moment Zosma is at about 10 degrees of Virgo.

I believe the positive side of it is that, assuming you manage to overcome the victim tendency, you can become really compassionate and good at helping other people who've been victimised. I suppose that like Saturn it is ultimately a learning experience, Zosma being a teacher.
 
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