Bad luck in a chart :-(

saggy2128

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Hello well i dont know what to say but my life is getting more and more complicated and i feel like i have bad luck or something . i wanted to know if my chart so any things like that and how can i fix this ?
I Dont seem to be successfull professionnally! i switched from business to study psychology but i dont know if its the right choice for me
love-wise its a mess i
anyways these late years i feel like attracting problems , will it get any better , what do you think of my chart?

heere is my chart :
 

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JUPITERASC

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Hello well i dont know what to say but my life is getting more and more complicated and i feel like i have bad luck or something . i wanted to know if my chart so any things like that and how can i fix this ?
I Dont seem to be successfull professionnally even if i put tons of efforts and i want to succeed so bad ! i switched from business to study psychology but i feel like since then its a curse or something i dont know if its the right choice for me , i want to do something else but i cant figure at what i can be good at
love-wise its a mess i have been with a guy over 5 years it ended up badly back in 2009 then from this time nothing serious i seems to be staying single even if i crave to have a lover
money wise = problems to
i seems to have lesser friend or i became more kind of a loner
really its crazy i was so joyful .. i had luck and everything but now its the opposite ! and its became like this for a while now !!
anyways these late years i feel like attracting problems , will it get any better , what do you think of my chart?
heere is my chart :
please is there any hope stuff will get better ? :crying:

A natal chart is calculated based on birthtime. Before interpreting a chart it is important to be certain you have a correct birthtime so is your birthtime based on hospital records orr based on people's memories of events at that time? Are you certain you have a reliable birthtime?:smile:
 

saggy2128

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A natal chart is calculated based on birthtime. Before interpreting a chart it is important to be certain you have a correct birthtime so is your birthtime based on hospital records orr based on people's memories of events at that time? Are you certain you have a reliable birthtime?:smile:

Hi , thank you for your answer , yes i have a reliable birth time ( written from the hospital )
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi , thank you for your answer , yes i have a reliable birth time ( written from the hospital )
hospitals are notorious for 'rounding up' the birthtime to an even number of minutes. As well as that, there are routine procedures after the birth to ensure the comfort of both mother and child - these take time, sometimes more time than others, so birthtimes tend to reflect the actual moment the birth was recorded or written somewhere on hospital records - rather than the exact moment the child took its first breath/had the cord cut/or emerged from the birth canal. Frequently, the birthtime is an estimate of some kind. Nevertheless, if written on hospital records then it is likely to be a good estimate or even exact. :smile:

There is something known as the Equation of Time however http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/sundials/equation_of_time.html and if you view the table you'll note that for you, the Equation of Time requires an adjustment to your birthtime of 13.7 minutes and because the sun was fast during the time of year that you were born, this means that 13.7 minutes are added to your birthtime in order to reflect your 'real' time ascendant (as opposed to your 'clock time' ascendant). This means your ascendant is around 8Capricorn :smile:
 
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saggy2128

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hospitals are notorious for 'rounding up' the birthtime to an even number of minutes. As well as that, there are routine procedures after the birth to ensure the comfort of both mother and child - these take time, sometimes more time than others, so birthtimes tend to reflect the actual moment the birth was recorded or written somewhere on hospital records - rather than the exact moment the child took its first breath/had the cord cut/or emerged from the birth canal. Frequently, the birthtime is an estimate of some kind. Nevertheless, if written on hospital records then it is likely to be a good estimate or even exact. :smile:

Thanks for your concern ! but yes i asked my mum and she said it was that birthtime because the hospital and my family wrote it just when i was born (9.50 am) she said anyways if there is a doubt like you said it will be at 10am or 10.50

Again do you see that my chart doesnt correspond with what i said ? what do you think of it based on my question .. thank you
 

JUPITERASC

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Thanks for your concern ! but yes i asked my mum and she said it was that birthtime because the hospital and my family wrote it just when i was born (9.50 am) she said anyways if there is a doubt like you said it will be at 10am or 10.50

Again do you see that my chart doesnt correspond with what i said ? what do you think of it based on my question .. thank you

My concern is to get the correct ascendant - your ascendant is early so you may well be a Sagitarrius ascendant if you were born earlier than your birth time indicates. although of course you may well be a Capricorn rising after all :smile:

Regarding your question, there are many different forms of astrology, however one of the most obvious differences is that some astrologers use the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (these are modern astrologers) and other astrologers do not use the outer planets (these are astrologers who use Ancient/Traditional Astrology). Also there are many different forms of House division - you can choose from up to fourteen different ones on astro.com although the default is Placidus - - different astrologers have different opinions as to what your chart is saying and my personal opinion is just one of many. :smile:
 
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CosmicLove

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As far as your uncertainty in careers, that's natural based on your chart. You have your moon in the 10th house, which denotes a number of occupational changes, just like you're going through right now. You'll figure it out eventually, though. :)

For love, you have Jupiter in your 7th house (the house of marriage), which shows there will be good fortune in terms of marriage. Unfortunately, you do have a few oppositions with Jupiter (including your ascdendant), so there will be challenges.

That's what I'm getting from your birth chart. Don't worry; I'm sure everything will rectify itself in the long run. :)
 

Still thinking

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I follow Indian Astrology.

Moon in 10th or 4th gives soft behaviour.such people are good in Nursing.

your moon in 10th is aspected by Saturn.This combination is not good in terms of performance.such people don't get apreciation easily.

from 2004 you have entered major period of Rahu(north node).

your North node is aspected by Mars.

3 planets influence your 1st house.Venus,saturn and jupiter.

Venus gives beauty and jupiter gives mature look.Because of Saturn fair complexion(given by venus and jupiter) is reduced.
 

Flowergirl

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You say your life is becoming more and more complicated. What caught my eye was that Pluto is transiting your 12th house and your Ascendant. That sounds like a recipe for huge issues of psychological death and transformation of Self. Pluto is a very slow moving planet and when it aspects something in your chart, the process is slow and takes years. It is also in contact with your natal Uranus and Moon and will be in aspect with Jupiter, Neptune and Saturn. I am almost scared to say this but yes, you are going through a huge transformation process. You already know that. It feels slow and agonising but in a few years you'll come out of this a very different person in a good way. When Pluto has done it's job and it's transits are over, you will appreciate it and enjoy it's benefits. But not before unfortunately.

When Pluto went over my MC I went through some amazing but agonising changes. Only when it was over, could I enjoy and appreciate the changes in Self. Hope that makes sense to you.

I hope you get some more responses and all the best
 

Ruka_5

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hospitals are notorious for 'rounding up' the birthtime to an even number of minutes. As well as that, there are routine procedures after the birth to ensure the comfort of both mother and child - these take time, sometimes more time than others, so birthtimes tend to reflect the actual moment the birth was recorded or written somewhere on hospital records - rather than the exact moment the child took its first breath/had the cord cut/or emerged from the birth canal. Frequently, the birthtime is an estimate of some kind. Nevertheless, if written on hospital records then it is likely to be a good estimate or even exact. :smile:

There is something known as the Equation of Time however http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/sundials/equation_of_time.html and if you view the table you'll note that for you, the Equation of Time requires an adjustment to your birthtime of 13.7 minutes and because the sun was fast during the time of year that you were born, this means that 13.7 minutes are added to your birthtime in order to reflect your 'real' time ascendant (as opposed to your 'clock time' ascendant). This means your ascendant is around 8Capricorn :smile:


Yeah, that theory isn't always true. I moved my birth time ahead six minutes and back six (according to that chart), and my ascendant stayed the same, so... :whistling:
 
Hello well i dont know what to say but my life is getting more and more complicated and i feel like i have bad luck or something . i wanted to know if my chart so any things like that and how can i fix this ?
I Dont seem to be successfull professionnally even if i put tons of efforts and i want to succeed so bad ! i switched from business to study psychology but i feel like since then its a curse or something i dont know if its the right choice for me , i want to do something else but i cant figure at what i can be good at
[this is down to T Saturn going through your 10h house, causing slow downs, delays and frustrations. Not a great time to be pushing/forging ahead.]

love-wise its a mess i have been with a guy over 5 years it ended up badly back in 2009 then from this time nothing serious i seems to be staying single even if i crave to have a lover
money wise = problems to
i seems to have lesser friend or i became more kind of a loner
really its crazy i was so joyful .. i had luck and everything but now its the opposite ! and its became like this for a while now !!
anyways these late years i feel like attracting problems , will it get any better , what do you think of my chart?

heere is my chart :


please is there any hope stuff will get better ? :crying:
when T Saturn gets to 24' libra you may find that you change course again or end of year and middle may 2012 (retrograde hit/most important)
http://cafeastrology.com/saturntransitinghouses.html

regarding romance T Jupiter is going now through your 5th house of romance so make the best of it. It only happends once every 12years..:smile:

Jupiter in 7th could be good BUT it's retrograde - going backwards suggesting less need for relationships
Moon in Square to Ascendant
Depending on your mood on any given day, you can be super-sensitive and you'll sometimes over-react with the least amount of provocation. Mostly though, others often sense your sympathetic nature and are instinctively drawn to the nurturing side of your personality.
You enjoy the role of the understanding caretaker and yet, you often wonder when it will be your turn to be the one who is nurtured unconditionally.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsmoon.htm
 

ptolomy

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If your birth time is correct then i would say that with your moon on the mc squared by the opposition across the ascendant /descendant axis that you will allways face a lot of obstacles to do with career.
But,You have an amazingly strong Pluto conjunct Mars in the 11th in their natural ruling sign Scorpio which makes it extra strong ,and this configuration trines your descendant and sextiles your ascendant difficult configuration.
I would suggest that you will eventually find that the ruthless power of the Pluto conjunct Mars in the 11th should be channelled for the benefit of the group.If you can find an outlet that benefits a group that you have faith in, you will be unstoppable.Maybe stop thinking about career and think what i can do for the greater group?and by doing this in time it will also help to deal with the t-square career problems.
 
If your birth time is correct then i would say that with your moon on the mc [it's nowhere near MC]squared by the opposition across the ascendant /descendant axis that you will allways face a lot of obstacles to do with career. [ I don't think the obstacles are connected to moon in 10th so much as venus ruler of MC conj saturn in 1st]

But,You have an amazingly strong Pluto conjunct Mars in the 11th in their natural ruling sign Scorpio which makes it extra strong ,and this configuration trines your descendant and sextiles your ascendant difficult configuration.
[how so? trines and sextiles show an easy flow of planetory energies ]

I would suggest that you will eventually find that the ruthless power of the Pluto conjunct Mars in the 11th should be channelled for the benefit of the group.If you can find an outlet that benefits a group that you have faith in, you will be unstoppable.Maybe stop thinking about career and think what i can do for the greater group?and by doing this in time it will also help to deal with the t-square career problems.

the more i keep thinking about this mars/pluto in 11th I keep thinking she should do something *physical* with large organisations, groups, friends, like teaching mountain climbing, bungi jumping off massive crane, gym instructer/teacher or even *sex therapist* with all that scorpio energies...:love:
anything appeal?

Ruler of the Seventh House in the Tenth House
Your spouse may want to be the authority figure in the partnership. Or on the other hand, you may be the one who wants to "rule the roost" so to speak. A partner can help you towards your career aims. You could be someone who puts marriage aside in favor of pursuing your career goals first
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr7
 

ptolomy

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the more i keep thinking about this mars/pluto in 11th I keep thinking she should do something *physical* with large organisations, groups, friends, like teaching mountain climbing, bungi jumping off massive crane, gym instructer/teacher or even *sex therapist* with all that scorpio energies...:love:
anything appeal?

Ruler of the Seventh House in the Tenth House

I agree with you astrologer50.I think if she can utilise this extreme energy it will give direction and incredible drive.I hope as a woman that she can use this for herself rather than find this energy in a man,Though I must admit that it is better through another than not at all.Look at Hilary roden Clinton's chart,She initially used the energy through Bill Clinton,But eventually she has become her own person and utilises the energy herself now.She's unstoppable.
And im sure that by utilising this energy for the group,maybe assisting others with initialising projects(asc sextile),and assisting those in relationship difficulties(desc trine) that it will pay back in time to assist with her difficulties.
 
major difference with Hilary and OP, hilary's mars/pluto is in 2nd house of 'how you earn and spend money, values and personal beliefs' so you can see why personal values would be fiercely defended. Now op has this in 11th house
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/HM52phN7h2V5.htm


http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house11

rulership over friends and friendship, supporters, benefactors and those that help us directly or behind the scenes. It is the house of beneficial fate, positive hope, trust, praise, comfort, goals and ambitions. In modern astrology it is said to rule the wider social circle of acquaintances and groups, broader ambitions, political ideals and those who share our aims. Its condition indicates the fidelity or falseness of friends and it has rulership over promotion by recommendation of others.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h11.html


Mars conjunct Pluto
ability to commit yourself to a task or goal is tremendous. When inspired, you are able to draw upon great stores of strength and determination. You can be so single-minded and focused You can be very skilled at investigation and research. Quite automatically, you are interested in what motivates and drives others, which can make you a natural psychologist. You might find that you constantly challenge yourself to take on more and to do more. Your stamina and endurance tend to be stronger than most.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsplutoaspects
.html
 
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ptolomy

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Yes I agree, I was just trying to point out that Hilary who has quite difficult aspects from her Mars Pluto conjunction still managed to become a very powerful woman,In fact one of the most powerful women in the world presently,Ill have to search further to find a Scorpio/11th version....:)
And a Scorpio 11th version that has an ideal sign position and powerful group position relative to the asc/dc axis.
 

ptolomy

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Ps: Consequently by not utilising this incredibly powerful energy saggy2128,I would expect you to be more frustrated in your ambitions rather than thinking that you have bad luck,I doubt you will never have a problem getting to where you intend to go if you can utilise this energy for the group :),And you'll relish the challenge!
 

ptolomy

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Saggy2128,I think you are likely to find a purpose for this Pluto Mars energy sooner than you think,Looking at up coming transits i see t Pluto 9 cap around April 2012,T Mars trine t Pluto 9.15 virgo/cap may 2012,Then t Mars conj t Pluto 8.02 cap nov 27th 2012 and from january 2012 onwards Pluto will be 10 cap onwards.
I doubt these will be easy times, but you will find a challenge in this period I suspect that will put you to the test. That will bring out your incredible drive in a way that supports your brothers and sisters.
 

Crystal Starseed

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Hello well i dont know what to say but my life is getting more and more complicated and i feel like i have bad luck or something . i wanted to know if my chart so any things like that and how can i fix this ?
I Dont seem to be successfull professionnally even if i put tons of efforts and i want to succeed so bad ! i switched from business to study psychology but i feel like since then its a curse or something i dont know if its the right choice for me , i want to do something else but i cant figure at what i can be good at
love-wise its a mess i have been with a guy over 5 years it ended up badly back in 2009 then from this time nothing serious i seems to be staying single even if i crave to have a lover
money wise = problems to
i seems to have lesser friend or i became more kind of a loner
really its crazy i was so joyful .. i had luck and everything but now its the opposite ! and its became like this for a while now !!
anyways these late years i feel like attracting problems , will it get any better , what do you think of my chart?

heere is my chart :


please is there any hope stuff will get better ? :crying:

Hi Saggy- namaste. :joyful:

This is the way I'm reading it. There are 4 themes which really stand out in your chart for me - your mars-pluto in 10th, your moon/jupiter/venusian/lunar stamp, your mars pluto conjunction in your tenth, the transit of pluto over your ascendant and planets therin, and lastly, your sun mercury conjunction which almost feels a bit 'lost' in the midst of it all, therefore also stands out...

I think as others have said the transit of pluto in Capricorn over your ascendant and all those natal 1st house planets will have deep and far reaching effects in your life. It's also an excellent opportunity to review and understand your own default/unconcious thought patterns and how these are drawing in these confused/drifting or unsettling circumstances/occurences, especially with regard to how you approach life and your self image, which will have a knock on effect on your relationships and life/career choices.

Uiversal law - energy follows thought, so what could you be automatically or unconciously sending out to the universe that is less than positive and exactly what you want? What could you have deceived (neptune rising) yourself about or tried to run away from, if anything? What collective thought patterns have you adopted that you never questioned before (uranus rising)?
When we think unconsciously, the universe gives us what we need to give us another clue to what we really want. When we consciously choose our thoughts the universe reflects back what we want. Some of the clues to your present 'bad luck' will be in those 1st house planets I feel, and those conjuncting your ascendant. You may need to review how it is that others see you and how you are presenting yourself. This could be a really creative, exciting time for you!
My opinion is that you should grasp this opportunity that transiting pluto offers to understand your own unconcious/deep motivations and thoughts, because the same problems or circumstances have a habit of repeating themselves years later. Here's a story to illustrate what I mean..

My friend (sun in scorpio conjunct neptune in libra in 12th, conjunct ascendant in scorpio and venus conjunct saturn in scorpio in his first house) had pluto transiting over his natal scorpio sun/neptune/ascendant and decided to leave his wife after years of abuse and near celibacy; however, he didn't sort out the practicalities associated with it (the marital home and divorce), which were also symbolic of something deeper, not just the 'practicalities', of course! Ten years later or so it really came back to bite him on the derriere!
When he was forced to deal with it all those years later, he went through hell, and all the old problems with his ex returned, because he had moved back into the marital home where his wife lived, as a lodger (even though he was joint owner) because his landlord evicted him and his job wasn't paying enough to support his rent as well. His ex continued to steal from him and overcharge him for bills and rent (unbelievably, but this is how browbeaten he was by years of mental abuse and falling into the same patterns) just as she had done when they were formally together all through the marriage, when she was a bully and a tyrant. She also had a gambing habit and hadn't been paying the mortgage even though he was giving her money for it. This was all psychologically traumatic; he had believed all this **** was behind him now, but of course it wasn't because it was unfinnished business - there was something he needed to learn! It affected his health, and he eventually lost his job through illness - his ex had financially, spiritually, mentally, and physically drained him. His wife not only stole from him, insulted him daily, borrowed thousands of pounds that she never gave back, but also tried to turn his remaining friends against him, cut him off from those that were trying to help him by physically unplugging the telephones and taking them with her when she went out - even though he was paying the phone bills! He also had the sun (scorpio) and like you, neptune (libra) conjunct his natal ascendant in scorpio, and he found that escaping his circumstances through meditation and 'sprituality' (neptune), as he had done all these years, was no longer an option, and he realised that all his life problems and 'bad luck' were to do with him not facing up to the fact that he had tried to avoid issues and give his power away. His pluto lesson was to stand up for himself (transiting first house) and take his personal power (sun in scorpio) back that he was giving away to his tryrant ex wife (venus saturn conjunction in scorpio in 1st) so that he could finally move on with his life, because since the time of his pluto ascendant transit up until now he had just drifted and nothing in his life went well - this was because his unconscious knew he had unfinnished business to take care of, and he couldn't move o properly until he had done so.
During the divorce his wife tried to sabotage it at every turn, because she just did not want him to be happy, and set free. After all these years she somehow still believed she had the right to tell him what to do and what not to do and conrol every aspect of his life. She was projecting all her deep unhapiness and self-loathing on to him (venus saturn conjunction in scorpio in 1st) and he was taking it, and in a sense, living for her, not living for himself, despite disliking her intensely. But this is the karma we incur when we don't take responsibility for our lives, and don't understand our own power.
There may be a similar theme of self-empowerment in your life now, but to do this you should take the opportunity it offers to clear all the debris. In Capricorn this will have more to do with your sense of individuality and persona, and how you use all the talents and skills you have at your disposal, especially with mars conjunct pluto in the 10th house. You are probably a very ambitious person, and you know the world is your oyster once you've made up your mind what it is you really want.

I also feel that the present and near future changes in society will effect you personally, because of all your transpersonal planets plus venus and saturn in capricorn and on your ascendant. The present financial collapse and subsequent change in the currency system that will occur probably by 2012 (the feds are just kicking the fiscal debt can further down the road until they can't do it anymore) is something you may also experience very personally and it may challenge your hopes and fears around your own financial survival, or around government/the military-industrail complex/security services and who really is in control of your life - them and the psychological childlike enslavement to authority they perpetuate, or yourself as a sovereign, powerful adult being in your own right and your innate sense of freedom and liberty (uranus and neptune on ascedant, sun in sagittarius in 11th. ) You may well find yourself caught up in libertarian, new age, or anarchic movements as a means to express your own power and idividuality.

Above all, relax and try to have fun. Always remember there is no such thing as 'luck'; you make your own good fortune, and you can do so any time you want, because you are in control with your own powerful mind, not fate.

For me, your moon is in your 9th house, which is very significant for you being a Sagittarian, which, together with your retrograde Jupiter in cancer, emphasises this venusian/lunar aspect to your consciousness, and perhaps to be too accomodating toward others at times instead of to yourself. You need to be able to express your emotions freely with others, but you need to feel safe, also, which is a bit of a conundrum at times, as expressing our emotions always comes with a risk, so trust is really important. I really feel you will benefit from a counselling course, because I feel you may have a real talent for it, for counselling others, as well as the self reflection and insight it affords you.

I feel your mars pluto conjunction is in the 10th house, and for me it shows that whatever it is you decide to do with your life, you will need to put 100% of your energy into it, whether it will be as a counselling psychologist or depth astrologer (or both). I feel you will also be attracted to crisis situations so perhaps a paramedic, physician or other kind of healer would also suit you. You will need to be closely dealing with people and emotionally engaged with them. Whatever you decide to focus on will have powerful repercussions, but I also feel that these next few years, that will be transformative for a lot of humanity and yourself, personally, may be something you have to ride out first before you can clearly decide where to specifically focus your energies.

My tip is to keep a dream diary, a journal of your thoughts and feelings, and possibly drawings if symbols and pictures speak to you, to help you review and understand your deepest motivations.

There is more that I can see, but that's probably enough for now! Namaste, sister. :smile:
 
the reason I said do something physical with mars/pluto is if not utilised, then it may *attract* some kind of violence or abuse. The riskier the better, you could even counsel 'battered wives' because at least that would be dealing with violence second or third hand rather than first hand.....
 
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