Astrology of fertility and children

Dear Larxene and Sasa62!!! Thank you so much for your input!!!

I am really sorry for the belated reply, I just saw your messages, I am now attaching the natal charts

As for the specific health problems, the major ones are the permanent heart damage (Leo Sun 6H :) due to misdiagnosis and neglect in the US) and

the so-called heart-shaped uterus (diagnosis made yesterday) which might be fixed surgically, however procedures like that (both diagnostics and operation) require use of contrast agents and anaesthesia: administration of these substances almost killed me this summer (went into anaphylactic shock during MRI

regarding hormones, levels are now Ok, except for a relatively low AMH result (Anti Muellerian ovarian reserve Indicator, yet there are follicles)

thank you very much for your insight and opinions, I;m truly grateful!
Happy happy holidays!!
<3
Kat

P.S. Sasa62's question about work in the past 2 years:) no luck there and in this god forsaken country :), with 3 master's degrees from Cambridge and Bologna (Sag Neptune 10th:) all I do is volunteer and teach pro bono :)
 

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sasa62

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Dear Larxene and Sasa62!!! Thank you so much for your input!!!

I am really sorry for the belated reply, I just saw your messages, I am now attaching the natal charts

As for the specific health problems, the major ones are the permanent heart damage (Leo Sun 6H :) due to misdiagnosis and neglect in the US) and

the so-called heart-shaped uterus (diagnosis made yesterday) which might be fixed surgically, however procedures like that (both diagnostics and operation) require use of contrast agents and anaesthesia: administration of these substances almost killed me this summer (went into anaphylactic shock during MRI

regarding hormones, levels are now Ok, except for a relatively low AMH result (Anti Muellerian ovarian reserve Indicator, yet there are follicles)

thank you very much for your insight and opinions, I;m truly grateful!
Happy happy holidays!!
<3
Kat

Disturbances in hormonal regarding, and the shape of the uterus, not some big disruptions, but it is the only thing what doctors find and what they could have found ... because in similar cases / situations, can not find a specific reason why a woman can not get pregnant and occasionally elicited deviations from normal hormone values ...

So modern medicine is unable to find any visible reason other than some minor problems.

In practice, cases similar to your (because no two identical cases) usually fail to even get pregnant before 28 years of age, because it is actually all about delaying pregnancy ... means it can not be here to talk about the problem already on postponement ...

I want to say that we should be persistent and do not give up on pregnancy, because pregnancy may delay up to 39 years of age and even further ...

The first is more important period for pregnancy is the end of 2016 and the entire 2017 although it will then be one stressful period with regard to home, so it will be questionable whether you'll then want to become pregnant, or pregnancy can cause stressful period ... it still can not know. .. when you get closer to that period it shall be clearer which the variant it comes

P.S. Sasa62's question about work in the past 2 years:) no luck there and in this god forsaken country :), with 3 master's degrees from Cambridge and Bologna (Sag Neptune 10th:) all I do is volunteer and teach pro bono :)

(tako je u svim zemljama tog područja nažalost)

In this case the last two years have been a lot worse than the previous ... and probably in the same period appears a heart problem? If this is true, then there is no more fear on this point because it is risky period passed, but a diagnosis, what are momentary will not be significantly repaired ... I think of heart problems (of course if there are consequences in the last two years in this area, because this kind of period may leave permanent damage)

If there are no visible consequences for the heart, it is possible that at some future stressful and exhausting period (because in the last two years was just about this period, with a lack of iron in the blood) appear the same symptoms, without a visible reason ...
 
Thank you so much, Sasa62!!!
It is all very correct, especially the part about postponing of pregnancy
(due to the harmful heart medication). will definitely take all of this in consideration (especially the timing 2016 and 2017)! Thank you!!!
 

opiumchild

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Hey all, so... out of curiosity

I included my natal chart with the natal lot of children (Taurus 8 31'... ruler venus/gemini/9th) and the solar return lot of children (Pisces 20 48'... ruler Jupiter/Leo/9th)

I also included my Solar return (for year 2014-2015) chart with the lot of children of the Natal and Solar as well.

From what I can tell
The Natal Lot (Taurus 8 degrees, 8th house) is opposite natal Pluto (1orb) trine Neptune (1orb) square Sun (3orb) and square Mercury (4orb)... Its Ruler is Venus which is also conjunct Chiron in the 9th.

In the Solar return chart the SR lot would be (Pisces 20 degrees, 4th house) conjunct Chiron (4orb), trine Venus (1orb) and trine Saturn (4orb)
the natal lot would be trine the SR Pluto (3orb), opposite SR Moon (2orb), square SR Sun (3orb) and Square SR Mercury (2orb)

(I got confused as to whether the natal lot in the SR chart should be aspected by the SR venus/jupiter, or if it was supposed to be the SR lot that got aspected)

Would this be a good indication for conception this year?


(Im not really sure what else I should be looking at haha)
 

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kolani

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Hi!

I hope I'm posting in the right spot- as it's been a while since I've been active in the forum.

I found the information about the part of children/profected planets/and solar returns to be helpful- but I'm having trouble putting it all together to get a clear interpretation.

I'm 39 with no children (yet) :innocent:
As for may natal chart:

Saturn in Leo rules my 5th, apex of T square (for Uranus Chiron opposition)
Virgo Rising
New Moon in Cancer conjunct Venus (square Pluto in 1st)!

I've always dreamt of being a mother someday---and my guess is from my natal chart- I would be older- but how much older? what are the chances??

As for the lots:

Part of Children in Sag almost 3 degrees trine Saturn in Leo (not that helpful I assume)
BUT

Part of Sons in Sag 23 degrees conjunct my IC (4 degree orb), with Jupiter in Taurus trine my Virgo Ascendant, (better, I think)

Part of Daughters in 22 degrees Virgo conjunct my ascendant and part of fortune(would be great if it were Cancer)!

2017 Solar Return

Capricorn, Profected Ascendant

SR Saturn(retro) will conjunct my lot of sons
what looks interesting is Venus in Taurus will conjunct my natal Jupiter and SR MC
SR Vertex will conjunct Pluto in Cap in SR 5th

Prospects??


2019 Solar Return

Pisces Profected Ascendant
Do I use traditional ruler Jupiter and Modern ruler Neptune? in any case-

SR Jupiter in Sag (retro) conjunct my part of Sons with 6 degree orb (close
enough orb for conjunction)?

SR Neptune square SR Jupiter and part of Sons within 4 degrees, also conjunct SR part of fortune, right on natal 7th house cusp

SR Venus in Gemini in SR 5th house, exactly/partile opposite part of Sons part of Sons
SR Pluto in Cap on SR rising, conjunct natal 5th house
SR Venus will oppose my part of sons

Prospects?

I would go farther than 2019 out of curiosity- but I think that's really stretching it-I want to explore chances of having my own child first.

Which shows more promise? 2017 or 2019? Looks like 2019 may be better, but I'm not sure.

I wonder if I'm looking at the right planets /aspects/etc...need help getting it all straight.

Thank You!!

Kolani

I attached my natal/SR for 2019. Thank you in advance for your feedback:smile: !
 

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hermetic

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I did not get from your post whether you are actively trying to conceive or are you only planning to do so, and why are you focusing only on those years you mentioned?

Anyway, with Saturn ruling fifth in barren Leo some issues are bound to happen. Luckily you have good position of Moon, along with Jupiter and Venus, all of those matter when female fertility is involved. Jupiter especially is very fertile and trining your otherwise barren asc, and incidentally Jupiter is lord of your Part of Children.

Look for the years where Venus or Jupiter activate Lot of children by conjunction, square or oppositions, look for Moon prominent, on angle, also include asteroid Ceres

Part of Children in Sag almost 3 degrees trine Saturn in Leo (not that helpful I assume)

this is actually good, gives promise of children at older age, but it would be better if it aspected it's own lord for example. Sag as a sign is considered more fertile than barren, not super fertile or anything but in your case Jupiter is in good condition, except from that square it receives from Mars. With Mars in twelfth house perhaps some past surgery or chronic illness played some trick on your fertility - could this be the case? or it could simply be some psychological blockage?

2017 Solar Return

Capricorn, Profected Ascendant

SR Saturn(retro) will conjunct my lot of sons
what looks interesting is Venus in Taurus will conjunct my natal Jupiter and SR MC
SR Vertex will conjunct Pluto in Cap in SR 5th
All of these sound promising, especially Pluto in fifth, it can bring children alone without any other pointers from what I've seen


2019 Solar Return

Pisces Profected Ascendant
Do I use traditional ruler Jupiter and Modern ruler Neptune? in any case-

SR Jupiter in Sag (retro) conjunct my part of Sons with 6 degree orb (close
enough orb for conjunction)?
this most definitely sounds promising, look what I wrote abovehere you also have SR moon conjunct natal south node, which is said to bring the child as a soul from previous life, and sr fifth house ruler is conjunct so activating natal fifth house ruler. moon and uranus gives unexpected pregnancies or possibly with medical intervention, pluto on asc, and asc on 5th house cusp are also very good signs, as pluto can give body growth and changes that happen in pregnancy.

but this is very tricky area for those trying to conceive, sometimes even many promising factors won't be conductive for pregnancy, and other times people get pregnant with almost no signs at all. much of it has to do with natal promise, and other factor include divine intervention I believe.
and when this is something you are hoping for with so much heart into it, you are possible setting yourself up for huge disappointment if nothing happens.
 

taurous16

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It's been a while, I want to tell you, but could not find the strength to do so...
Here is my story: Had been trying for a baby for 3,5 years. Had several inseminations, 3 IVFs and finally got pregnant last December.
BUT....Had a hard time during pregnancy, and finally gave birth premature, when I was due my 30th week of pregnancy. Thank GOD my baby is finally safe, at home with us.
Unfortunately I lost my uterus, as a result of bleeding during c-section.
That means I won't be able to carry another baby.... Our dream of a big family won't come truth... We still have some thoughts to move on and try to find a surrogate mother to carry our next baby! Do you think that will be possible for us??
 

kolani

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Thank you so much for your response!

I did not get from your post whether you are actively trying to conceive or are you only planning to do so, and why are you focusing only on those years you mentioned?
The reason why I chose those years is because it seemed like they had the most promising aspects, although I feel 2017 is too soon-as I still have to find a mate!!


I am planning ahead. I'm a professional dancer (among many other things) who started quite late. Now I am focusing on making the most of my artistry, etc. AND graduating to a higher tax bracket. Meanwhile I need to find time to date, as I'm currently single.

My last romantic partner happened to be a fertility specialist. I asked him about what he thought about freezing eggs, and basically he thought it was a marketing bonanza doctor's have tapped into...that there were so many factors involved in fertility, and that freezing my eggs wouldn't necessarily make me more fertile than a host of other procedures, etc.

Anyway, although for a while I was seriously considering it (I have a 43 year old friend who was never able to get pregnant, who's practically begging me to do it) But, I've decided (finances playing a key part) not to.
I figure if I get pregnant it's going to come from a spiritual sense of abundance, instead of conservation and debt-and that God will likely play the biggest role in it. I'm not religious, but I do believe in miracles, know people who have had children when the doctors said it would never happen, etc. so I have faith.

Jupiter is in good condition, except from that square it receives from Mars. With Mars in twelfth house perhaps some past surgery or chronic illness played some trick on your fertility - could this be the case? or it could simply be some psychological blockage?
Yes...I think that Mars square to Jupiter is probably a psychological thing- Mars in the 12 - maybe it's a fear of 'going for it' a hesitation of sorts- like really wanting/desiring from within, but not having confidence to go full speed ahead (I've experienced this with my dancing)

this most definitely sounds promising, look what I wrote above here you also have SR moon conjunct natal south node, which is said to bring the child as a soul from previous life,
The past life interpretation you mentioned resonates- as I've yearned for a child a long time now- so I guess the karmic influence would make sense- (SR Moon South node conjunction ) wonder if the Moon's exaltation in Taurus would make it a good karmic tie?? These things are fun to think about...

Anyway, with Saturn ruling fifth in barren Leo some issues are bound to happen. Luckily you have good position of Moon, along with Jupiter and Venus, all of those matter when female fertility is involved. Jupiter especially is very fertile and trining your otherwise barren asc, andincidentally Jupiter is lord of your Part of Children.
Thanks for this great news!!:happy:
You didn't seem so concerned about the Pluto square to the Cancer stellium (probably more appropriate for the relational section)

As my last relationship recently ended, it was new feeling of- 'Wow...when is it going to happen'? When is it all (career, $, love, etc.) going to come together? So now I'm doing my best, even as an artist, to be logical, and plan ahead.

I did notice my progressed fifth house will move into Pisces in March...I've read that when a progressed house changes signs, it's very significant- would you say that's true? If so, I would think that would also add some ammunition for a baby :rightful: (as well as a boost to my dancing career and love life)

but- that aside, your observations have helped me hone in on the full astrological picture.I guess the natal chart is very important, but I think it also helps to go beyond that and synthesize all the influences.

There is so much to all this-it's quite amazing. Looking forward to your thoughts on my response.

Thank you!

K
 

hermetic

Well-known member
ooops, sorry I don't come here often so I only just now saw your response

I do not look much at Pluto because this is traditional approach of delineation, although pluto in your first house gives you sort of drive towards you own goal and self, and in this context it gives a very real and powerful issues of being in control that you'll probably need to let go of eventually if you want your sun(also moon and venus) to shine

but it gives also a certain level of fatedness and inability to control what comes to you, being that it is in your first house. it can be very transformative if you work with it i associate influence of pluto with kundalini energy and physical aspect is important for psychological transformation.
but when it comes to children - yes god has everything to do with it so planning it is kind of futile, imo. Most of the people I know had their pregnancies babies at random times, mostly never when the originally intended to. I was also looking at my own solar returns for this out of curiosity but I know it can happen anytime and try not to fret about it to much, when the time is right it will come

it is obvious from you tenth house that career is very important to you but as women we all have to make a choice to sacrifice some part of our lives for motherhood at some point. Best of luck whenever you;re ready!
 

kolani

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Hi!

It was nice to see your reply, as I figured when Mercury went direct I might hear from you.

It sounds like you may be in a similar situation-as it seems you 'get it'. If so, I'd be curious as to what your chart is like and if there may be any similarities (yes, I am I bit of an 'astro geek', I can't help it.

As for Pluto, I think you are spot on- funny enough, in may chart it's exactly conjunct the asteroid "Karma" (actually- maybe that isn't so funny :unsure:)

I like your idea of my first house Pluto being connected to Kundalini energy-makes sense of my relationship with dance (many dancers at my age are heading toward the winter of their artistry- where as I feel I am just now reaching a peak)

I am not sure if you are familiar with chakra healer Cyndi Dale's work- but her last book 'Beyond Soul Mates' seems relevant- she goes into details about the various types of 'soul' relationships and karmic connections

I must admit I do feel an urge to 'get it right' on the relationship front, in any case, thanks again for your response!

k
 

CapAquaPis

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I read an earlier post on the thread on looking at the 5th and 11th houses for clues in having children, they are opposite each other. I have Uranus in 5th (Scorpio) opposite Chiron in 11th (Taurus). Uranus rules my sun sign Aquarius conjunct the moon.
 

ardentika

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I'm a bit confused. First it says that 4th house is effective then it says the native with Lot of Children in 4th will have children at the end of their life?!

Also mine seems odd combo between good and bad. My LOC is in 10°10 Gemini, falls in 4th. Gemini is not fertile, but 4th house is good. Also 5th is in Cancer, which is fertile, but the ruler, Moon is in Leo, which is not fertile. Also falls in the 6th house. Not good.
BUT then Mercury is in 11th which is good. -.-
This is confusing. Also I have Saturn between the lot and its ruler, so that's awful?

And what orb to use? I have Saturn at 7°15 Pisces and my LOC at 10°10 Gemini? Please tell me the orb is no wider than 1-2 xD
 
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