Frisiangal
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Thank you @Frisiangal ! You raised some very insight provoking questions. I will try to answer in the same order you wrote the questions and answer them in the context of the ASD diagnosis.
Hello again Alegria
To begin with, a heartfelt thanks for your feedback that is so very descriptive of how planets can actually, rather than theortically work in a chart.
Anyone reading can learn much from what you wrote and I shall read it many times to gain more 'feeling' knowledge into the astrology of ASD charts
You asked: -"Do you think the inherent traits of the 'controlling' trine outweighed the T-square effect, or repressed it?"- I don't understand this question, would you please elaborate on it? I think I might be missing something about how T-Squares function
If you do a google search you will find many pages describing how different aspects function.
I can only write how I would perceive the two aspects from Moon to function from an objective astrological perspective
Moon represents the 'automatic reactional response without forethought (Mercury)' through an inbred instinctive feeling pattern that governs one's behaviour. When linked to a personal planet, Pluto represents the 'I must, 'I have to' of a controlling power, not necessarily detrimental, that works with it. In a soft aspect as a trine, in AIR, the signs which all refer to the mentality in inter-relating with another, there should be freedom of (thought) movement in how one goes about that. Moon might well react to situations with an 'I can't help it, I feel inwardly compelled to REact in this manner.
A Moon in Aquarius may have a reputation for being FIXED upon its needy freedom of independence, whilst the sign Libra prefers the 'we together' mentality. As Pluto is retrograde in the sign, it may place an overpowering spoke in that togetherness wheel. A person may want to inter-relate with/to another, yet there is something in the retrograde position that says, 'I have to do it this way' in whatever is undertaken in the realms of life (houses) in which the planets are situated. Pluto in Libra tends to transform the 'we together' towards 'we as individuals within a relationship'. It's a natural trait in one's own nature, yet it can cause issues with those who act or react differently to situations through their own chart positions
A T-square, of which there are several in your chart, can be the literal spoke in the turning wheel of the FIXED signs, whose agility towards movement of any kind is slow at the best of times. Taurus does not seek independence, it wants physical Safety through Security and Stability. How Moon feels to motivate what Sun wants are two totally different things, UNLESS thay can work together, preferring not to make any kind of change to the situations each finds themselves in, and stay FIXED to.
'The bringer of change' is represented by the planet Uranus, and it is the 3rd planet on the FIXED wheel. In Scorpio, it attempts to bring change to the inner emotional depth of one's feelings. Yet it is also retrograde; subdued.
The T-square between Venus-Mars-Pluto is in the Cardinal signs in whatever house system is used. Planets in the cardinal signs are an active, of prime importance, aspect of one's nature because their function is so personal towards one's well being. Harsh aspects depict conflict (square) and confrontation (opposition) to be met in life. A desire for personal love and adoration (Venus trine Neptune) can be hampered by internal
stirrings of vulnerable feelings (Mars in Cancer) that is forced by (Pluto). Uncontrolled internal rage can occur, over which a Moon opposing Saturn (controlled discipline) cannoty contain.
Another aspect I would love to understand more is the Thor Hammer. All I can gather from what I have read so far on Thor's Hammer is that focusing on expressing the healthy neptunian qualities would help with the tension this aspect brings...... As you said: -"Differences in orbs taken might question the validity of a Thor's hammer with the Sun. Chiron in the 1st house would be within orb."- I wonder how this comes into play within the ASD cont
I think that much depends upon an accurate time of birth and whether Pisces is or is not rising, AND the choice of house system used, to interpret the meaning of/behind Neptune. The medical astrology through which I was taught in the late 1980's placed 'health patterns' (and not 6th house disease) in the 9th house, also the house of one's convictions through belief patterns as mentioned before. Neptune can have a weakening effect upon any planet with which it interacts in harsh aspect.
IF it is part of the Thor's hammer to natal Sun, you could ask yourself in how far do you believe and have faith in yourself? You may want to, yet it requires such a lot of effort if you do, without knowing how it will turn out. That's the strenuous challenge of, and/or otherwise the internal pain (Chiron) with which you live.
Saturn and Neptune are total opposites.
Saturn represents the manifested physical life in all its facets. Being aware of just how far one can go (9th house) before drawing the line of resistance that says, 'this far and no further' is its strength. Neptune represents the intangible beyond (9th house) of manifestation which cannot be physically proven; only internally experienced. It's also retrograde ... unprove? That doesn't agree with what motivates a Sun in Taurus; the physical shown by fac
Both Saturn and Neptune are in non-physical signs (and houses?). The one through suppression of feeling, the other through its spiritual ideals. This can place a weight upon a sign that lives for that which the physical side does or doesn't show.
How can the Thor's hammer be experienced? If myth is to be believed, wouldn't it mean having to throw one's self into the difficulties faced, to have them resolved when it returns.
Thank you for thinking along
Hope I didn't get carried away too far.
(This post underwent a peculiar glitch when trying to send and needed much correction. Hope it gets through in one piece. )
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