Yeah, she wouldn't be the best example of Cancer rising, if at all, seeing as
I never said she had/has Cancer Rising. I said she has
LEO RISING.
First I listed the Cancer Rising celebs, followed by the Leo Rising ones.
Birth times have been obtained by the researchers at Astrodatabank for all of the above people. Some of the birth times even have Rodden Ratings of AA - namely those of Steven Spielberg, Judy Garland, Kate Hudson, Julia Roberts, and John Travolta.
Julia Roberts
Steven Spielberg
John Travolta
Judy Garland
Richard Branson
Donald Trump
Celine Dion
Kate Hudson
Of course there will be modifying influences in a birth chart that will alter the expression and appearance of an Ascendant. Not to mention plain, old genetics, upbringing, lifestyle, health, and any cosmetic procedures.
But you may as well be swatting a wasp with a feather by speculating endlessly about ascendants and such-and-such a feature not tying in with the rules of some vague, one-size-fits-all, astrological face-reading stuff, etc, when the birth certificate clearly states people's birth times. Sure, the birth time may be out - give or take - by a few minutes at the very most, but a birth time documented by hospital staff is better than a mother's vague memory or just a guess.
Hush10,
The birth time data you cited from astrodatabank shows a Cancer rising chart for Kate Hudson, NOT LEO. I don't take it literally. If you see her as Cancer rising, then obviously you don't take birth times too literally either and are adjusting her Asc based on your own understanding of rising signs.
I learned not to take birth times literally once I began advanced methods of astrology. Recorded birth times are only starting places for a verified, accurate horoscope. Rounded times from memory (as with David Bowie), especially if the mother is dead (as with Bono) cannot be taken but with a grain of salt, or at least as what they are - rounded figures.
The first breath theory, while a good theory, does not produce consistent reliable results for identifying the correct Asc sign and degree,
especially when working with rounded, even hour birth times. According to John Willner about half the horoscopes set by recorded birth time do not show the correct sign on the Asc that matches all requirements for physical attributes, personality, and reliable results when used for progressions, etc.
The Ascendant sets the outward face to the world through the principle of Mars/Aries = head. Facial structure follows the horoscope. There are ways to verify what actually is the correct sign, rather than just speculate based on zodiacal stereotypes, which most here have done.
What you have done, as many astrologers have presumptuously done, is to put a human theory, sound as it may seem, over the cosmic principles of the astrological language. The astrological language is consistent with genetics, and cooperative with, not separate from it. If the appearance, personality, any house interceptions and verifying transits/progressions point to an Asc in Sagittarius (say for David Bowie) instead of in Aquarius, then the correct Asc is in Sagittarius. (His correct Asc sign is almost certainly Sagittarius, as he has the slender/tapering head of a mutable sign with mixed eye color common to many Sag types). Again, the birth time is just a starting place, and, while I trust that Bowie's recorded birth time (or any other from a hospital or family record) is reasonably accurate, the physiological indicators, especially of the head/face point not to Aqua, but a Sag Asc.
You may not have such verifying tools, but it doesn't mean they are purely speculative on my part. They are descriptions of variables as I have seen them play out, and as taught by Master Astrologers like John Willner. This is advanced astrology and it must be learned by observation and intuition development and plenty of in-depth chart work.
Im early gemini and she is late degree. My mercury is in scorpio conjunct pluto, while her mercury is in capricorn conjunct venus (wide orb) which is in aquarius.
It's called "great bone structure", okaay?
