Am i pregnant

[KatyaVelikaya]

I know that a test will soon tell the results for sure, but until Friday I want to see if the horary can give me some insight.

Asc Leo (ruled by Sun) = me - Sun in the 10th house, unfertile Aries.
Is the Moon my co-ruler here too? if so it is positive in the 5th House Scorpio (ruled by Mars), Scorpio is fertile. Mars itself is aspecting the moon and conjunct the Sun. Moon is in fertile Scorpio.

Ruler of Asc (sun) should aspect the 5th (moon) but does not.
North Node by Moon in 5th - extra support/positive.

Also Jupiter the "natural ruler of fertility in pregnancy horaries" (which I read somewhere) is almost aspecting the Moon in the 5th but isnt. It is sitting in the 11th house of children. Which is positive.

When I had done one horary about the ability to get pregnant this year (before I started trying) someone on this board said "its almost like the child is waiting for you". Is that what this is here again?

I would guess the chart says No?

 

[James Williams]

Hello, I am guessing that the chart is saying Yes...

The exalted Sun, ruler of the 1st House, is applying by conjunction to 5th House ruler Mars in Aries in the 10th, and also the Sun is applying to Jupiter, the other ruler of the 5th (and the 10th), by a sextile. The Moon, ruler of the 12th House, is in fertile Scorpio in the 5th House.

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Thank you James! I hope you are right! I didnt know if conjunctions counted...

 

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Hello Katya, I'm sorry if I'm a little late to this party. It's early Sunday now so you might have your test results in by now.

Anyway, in pregnancy charts we really have to pay attention to the placements of the houses and planets and the fertility or barreness of the planet itself and the sign it occupies. After this, we want to see where the significators are and what they're doing, and finally we want to check in with the Moon and see what she has to say about all of this.

So we see a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to fertility signification, but there is an emphasis on sterility. The Ascendant is in Leo which is barren. The Sun is in Aries which is barren. The Fifth house is in Scorpio which is fertile. Mars is in Aries which is barren.

We want the Sun and Mars to come together, either by themselves or with the aid of a friendly third planet. Sun seeks to apply a conjunction to Mars, but Venus is in the way as she will get to Mars before the Sun will, this isn't good. However, Venus is in almost the perfect position to translate light between the Sun and Mars...except she's applying to Jupiter, which isn't very good. So, nothing there.

Finally, the Moon is in Scorpio in the Fifth house and conjoined with a Node, this is not a positive set up as the Moon is debilitated in her sign of Fall, and this injures her ability to bring the matter about. To make things worse, the Moon is Void in this chart. She's not applying to anyone. Continuing the bad news train, Saturn is in the Fifth house, and since he's the Lord of the Sixth, this could have unfortunate meanings as far as the health of the fetus is concerned.

All in all, I don't think there's a pregnancy here, but if there is, it seems there could be some complications involved with it that could make it risky. Hoping for the best!

Please keep us updated!

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Thanks for the further input, K no senshi, a few questions and comments:

1) If Venus is in between Mars and the Sun, what does that mean? Doesnt it mean it just will take Mars longer to get to the Sun? Why would the Sun have to meet Mars without meeting any other planet first (?)

2) I see Saturn on the left of the line dividing 4th and 5th: therefore in the 4th. No?

3) With pregnancy horaries, are perfecting aspects taken into account (ie planets when they move forward into another aspect with another planet, after a period of hours, but not as they are shown at the time the chart's picture is "snapped")

I ask bc the conception process btwn ovulation -- even as revealed in blood and urine tests, depends entirely on the day you "ask the questino" (take the test). Numerous girls take tests that are negative 3 days in a row, then they get a positive. The reason is that the hormone levels do not show up until after implantation. Then even after implantation, it's not a fact you wont miscarry. So you have fertilization, then you have to have implantation, and then the implantation has to 'hold' for 9 months. Maybe that is splitting hairs, I am just wondering if preg horaries account for this since at the time the question is cast, perhaps fertilization has occurred but not implantation or maybe (example) 6th house influences show preg but miscarriage and so forth.

4) If the future aspects are taken into account - what does this chart show in those terms? (My interpretation skills are limited to what the chart shows, I am not good at knowing where the planets will go "next")...

5) I read that North node is positive help for anything it conjuncts, as with the conj w/Moon here. Is that not so?

p.s. I realize this chart was erroneously run in Placidus, It should be Regiomantus. (this has happened before, its the way I try to select pull down items...very annoyed). Anyway corrected is attached. It shows also a clearer delineation of Retrograde Saturn in the 4th...

 

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

1) If Venus is in between Mars and the Sun, what does that mean? Doesnt it mean it just will take Mars longer to get to the Sun? Why would the Sun have to meet Mars without meeting any other planet first (?)

Because that's how horary works. Otherwise it's called prohibition and we don't want that.

2) I see Saturn on the left of the line dividing 4th and 5th: therefore in the 4th. No?

Five degrees before a house is considered conjoined the cusp and the planet has its effect in that house.

3) With pregnancy horaries, are perfecting aspects taken into account (ie planets when they move forward into another aspect with another planet, after a period of hours, but not as they are shown at the time the chart's picture is "snapped")

I ask bc the conception process btwn ovulation -- even as revealed in blood and urine tests, depends entirely on the day you "ask the questino" (take the test). Numerous girls take tests that are negative 3 days in a row, then they get a positive. The reason is that the hormone levels do not show up until after implantation. Then even after implantation, it's not a fact you wont miscarry. So you have fertilization, then you have to have implantation, and then the implantation has to 'hold' for 9 months. Maybe that is splitting hairs, I am just wondering if preg horaries account for this since at the time the question is cast, perhaps fertilization has occurred but not implantation or maybe (example) 6th house influences show preg but miscarriage and so forth.

This is kind of humorous because wintersprite actually wrote a piece about this on the blog. It's possible, sure.

4) If the future aspects are taken into account - what does this chart show in those terms? (My interpretation skills are limited to what the chart shows, I am not good at knowing where the planets will go "next")...

Not a lot because the Moon is Void.

5) I read that North node is positive help for anything it conjuncts, as with the conj w/Moon here. Is that not so?

Eh, this kind of depends on who you read and follow. Some authors say NN is positive like Jupiter and Venus and SN is negative like Mars and Saturn. Others say the NN increases for good or ill and the SN decreases for good or ill. I tend to go with the last one, but I'm not sure the Moon is ever really good around the Nodes, but I can't think of any sources that have said or implied something similar.

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Because that's how horary works. Otherwise it's called prohibition and we don't want that.



Five degrees before a house is considered conjoined the cusp and the planet has its effect in that house.

Ok thanks. I can't tell from the chart but it looks like Saturn is 7 or 8 degrees from the cusp, not 5 ??


Anyway I went and had blood tests yesterday and an ultrasound to check lining. it's too early to tell anything in terms of fetal development but bc i had endometrium issues last year and treated them for 7 mos, I wanted to see if that succeeded: It did. so if this bean doesn't stick, it is not due to lack of a place to bury into and take root (which was the case last year).

My hcg and progesterone are already above the norm, signifying pregnancy. But the question is will it stick. So I am concerned about retro saturn and whatever negative points are shown in this chart.

 

[James Williams]

Thanks for the update, Katya! Maybe his or her nickname could be Beansprout!

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Ha thanks -- yeah maybe it should be! I already have a nickname (you know mothers to be get crazy w/such things) but that will be her secondary nickname ))

 

[James Williams]

Ah, the more nicknames, the better!!!

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

i wanted to just reply here that I'm 6 and a half weeks pregnant now. So the answer to the question overall is YES - altho i think these types of horaries may be inaccurate since it takes time for hormones to reveal pregnancy...

Separately though, i wanted to return her bc i am concerned about the health of the baby (both during pregnancy and afterwards).

Would I use this same time and date for that question, and use this chart to answer it? Or do i have to cast another chart for that?

 

[iawtcc]

I was being nosey and reading your post. But I just wanted to congratulate you on your blessing! I'm really happy for you and do hope for an easy, healthy pregnancy and baby! Good luck and best wishes. Keep us all updated on "Beansprout"

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

iawtcc, thank you so much, that is really sweet of you. I also hope everything will be healthy - that is my greatest concern.

Best wishes to you too ))

 

[dr. farr]

Congratulations and best wishes for a healthy and happy baby!

Since this is now a known-outcome question, I would like to test the (mechanical) Walis Magic 8 Ball (non-horary) astro-divination method, to see what it would have "predicted"
(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-quesited would be the 5th (whole sign) house
-5th house = Sagittarius
-Sagittarius = Jupiter, which = a "yes" answer to the question, according to 8 Ball "rules"

...therefore the Magic 8 Ball would have given a correct "yes" answer to this question; I shall add this to the "correct" column, in my continuing testing of the Magic 8 Ball method (against known outcome questions) here on AW...

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Thanks Dr. Farr. I like when the Magic 8 ball is correct ))

Maybe you have ideas, if I want to do a horary on the baby's health, what *time* I use for the chart? Would that be the conception date? Or just the date/time that I choose to ask the question?

I've been reading online about interpreting baby/pregnancy health but none of the information indicates what time to choose for the chart. Since conception was not clear (that it had occurred) on the day I actually conceived, and the date I asked the question above is after that date, I wonder if I can use that time or if I need to use today's date for example.

 

[dr. farr]

If you are reasonably certain about the conception time, use the coneption chart; if not, then erect a horary for the time you feel most motivated to ask about the baby's health.

 

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I really don't think another chart is necessary. I mentioned the possibility of a difficult pregnancy in my initial post, so the markings are clearly there, all that's left now is for the querent to take care of herself the best she can to try and avert that.

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

hi Kaiousei,
If you think the initial chart shows it all, then I won't run another one.

Can you tell me though a few more details (if any can be seen from the chart) as to what you meant? Problems with the fetus to me mean serious defects. Is the chart indicating that or just the usual (constant nausea, cramping, extreme fatigue, hormonal shifts, the usual "fun")?

 

[KatyaVelikaya]

Continuing the bad news train, Saturn is in the Fifth house, and since he's the Lord of the Sixth, this could have unfortunate meanings as far as the health of the fetus is concerned.

Hi Kaiousei,
I wanted to update this thread. Yesterday was the 12 week mark of my pregnancy, and when I went in for genetic testing, they did not find a heartbeat. The fetus had stopped growing.

So i was pregnant and it is gone now.

 

[andrea2709]

Saturn being so closely conjunct to the 5th house cusp pointed to a misarriage..