allowed points in grand cross

mirr86

Member
Hi, I have a question about grand-gross. Maybe anyone can help me :)
Can grand-cross involve moon and his nodes and one planet?

Like:
The Moon in Leo 01 23' (11th House)
South Node in Libra 28 33' (3th House)
North Node in Aries 28 33' (9th House)
Mars in Capricorn 23 05' (5th House)

If can then can anyone know what this configuration exactly means??
Tnx for anyone who help :)
 

unukalhai

Well-known member
mirr86 said:
Can grand-cross involve moon and his nodes and one planet?

Yes, although grand crosses involving planets/luminaries only are certainly more important. I've always considered a grand cross consisting of the nodal axis and two others planets/luminaries in opposition to really be a "supercharged opposition" -- the nodes, in such a case, signify the opposition has a very important developmental meaning to the native; the native is tasked with resolving the opposition as a very important factor of the life experience, and will face blockages and challenges until the polarity of the opposition is better integrated. Yet at the same time they have a very strong potential to integrate the opposition in a very powerful manner; they can become masters of using the opposition in both everyday life as well as spiritual consciousness, if they choose to do so.

Like:
The Moon in Leo 01 23' (11th House)
South Node in Libra 28 33' (3th House)
North Node in Aries 28 33' (9th House)
Mars in Capricorn 23 05' (5th House)

The problem here is that the Moon is not in the proper sign to be a part of the cross. While she is within orb of a square to the nodes, she is not only outside orb of opposition to Mars, but out of sign to form an aspect with any of the other three objects.

What a grand cross is, is simply four objects completing connected squares, sometimes called a "grand square".

Objects in square are three signs apart; they skip two signs between the placements... Lets start with the N.Node in Aries, the first sign. We'd get to Taurus, 30 degrees, one sign. Gemini would be 60 degrees, the second sign, and Cancer, the 3rd sign, would be 90 degrees. Of course, a square is 90 degrees of orb.

Continuing on to the opposition, we'd advance three more signs.. Leo, being 120 degrees and containing your Moon, Virgo being 150 degrees, finally Libra, being 180 degrees. Of course, the nodes are always exactly 180 degrees apart, forming a perfect opposition across the chart.

You'd then move three more signs, into Scorpio, 210 degees, into Sagittarius, 240 degrees, and into Capricorn, 270 degrees. Here we find your Mars, in square to both nodes.

And three more signs, Aquarius at 300 degrees, Pisces at 330, finally Aries, 0 degrees, coming full circle back to your N.Node.

So you do have Mars square your nodal axis, this is a "T-square". T-squares, simply put, indicate energy with which we face conflict with until we properly integrate the energy. As the nodes don't necessarily relate to a part of the personality, but rather are receptive points, showing both our connections to others, as well as how we grow through those connections, the Mars-Nodes T-square shows aggression, assertion, anger and taking action (and everything else Martian, of course) are part of your growth path. Review the meanings of Mars, for better and worse, and consider if there's some work you need to do there. Maybe you have anger issues, anger getting the best of you... Or maybe it's the opposite side of the coin, that you are unable to properly assert yourself and let others walk all over you. With Mars in Capricorn, it seems more like the later, as Capricorn, ruled by Saturn, is often about limitations and slowly moving upwards, and Mars isn't so firey and aggressive here. However, some people express this "controlled aggression" as a blockage, and let the energy build up and then lash out at others. Maybe you've already done alot of work with Mars and have developed a healthy expression of your Martian energy. Only you know the answers here, so take a little time to think about what Mars means to you, and where you are on the journey with him, and you'll gain a better understanding of the Mars-Nodes T-square. As with any placement in the chart, they show potential and possibility more than anything else, and without analyzing the whole chart it's hard to come up with a more exacting interpretation.

Hope that helps a bit :)
 

mirr86

Member
Thx unukalhai, yes it helped. Now i understand it a little more.
I'm new in astrology, sry about my little knowledge.

I'm not sure, but maybe i have one more T-square in my natal chart.

Sun in Gemini 20 07' (10th House)
Jupiter in Pisces 21 18' (8th House)
Uranus in Sagittarius 20 23' (4th House)

Tnx Again!
 

mirr86

Member
mirr86 said:
Hi, I have a question about grand-gross. Maybe anyone can help me :)
Can grand-cross involve moon and his nodes and one planet?

Like:
The Moon in Leo 01 23' (11th House)
South Node in Libra 28 33' (3th House)
North Node in Aries 28 33' (9th House)
Mars in Capricorn 23 05' (5th House)

If can then can anyone know what this configuration exactly means??
Tnx for anyone who help :)

One more thing, i noticed that I have Venus In Cancer, so this would be grand-cross? :
Venus in Cancer 24 45' (11th House)
South Node in Libra 28 33' (3th House)
North Node in Aries 28 33' (9th House)
Mars in Capricorn 23 05' (5th House)

:)
 

unukalhai

Well-known member
mirr86 said:
Thx unukalhai, yes it helped. Now i understand it a little more.
I'm new in astrology, sry about my little knowledge.

Excellent :) You're welcome. No worries about being new, we all start somewhere, right? That's what this forum is for; sharing knowledge and learning!

I'm not sure, but maybe i have one more T-square in my natal chart.
Sun in Gemini 20 07' (10th House)
Jupiter in Pisces 21 18' (8th House)
Uranus in Sagittarius 20 23' (4th House)

Sure do, that one is powerful; orbs are low, everything is in-sign, all are planets or luminaries. Jupiter is at the apex, so he is the "leader" of the configuration, in the "conductors seat" if you will. Uranus is also in his sign, Sagittarius, and Jupiter is also in what classical ("old school") rulerships consider his sign as well (Jupiter rules Sag and Pis classically).

Sun opposition Uranus shows a need to express yourself as very different than the rest of the crowd, to differentiate yourself even by quite eccentric means and methods. Applied positively, this can make you stand out through your ability to be shocking and very unique in how you project yourself and your ego. On the downside, excessive needs and desires for independence can endanger forming lasting relationships, and an unpredictable element of your personality can cause troubles in associations. There's also an element of tension and nervousness to this placement, you may have needed to spend effort learning to calm yourself down and take things easier. This opposition also confers the potential for being different just for the sake of being different.

Jupiter at the apex adds an interesting dimension. First, Jupiter relates to philosophy and religion, especially in Pisces. You may find satisfaction in eclectic and/or non-standard belief systems.

Jupiter can also add quite the bit of optimism and an "over the top" edge to the uniqueness and differentiated expression of the Sun-Uranus opposition - If Sun-Uranus isn't over the top already, Jupiter could certainly give it that extra push. Jupiter is all about expansion and growth, be it of the physical self, the mental self, or the spiritual self. Jupiter's keyword is "more".

Given the opposition is across the Gem/Sag axis, the "mental axis" as I call it, there's a strong possibility the differentiation of the Sun-Uranus oppositions plays out through your mind... In your ideas, your words, your philosophies, your ways of logically linking things together. It would seem this would cause others to recognize you as insightful at the very least, possibly even very intelligent or see you for having quite unique views on mentally oriented subjects.

mirr86 said:
One more thing, i noticed that I have Venus In Cancer, so this would be grand-cross? :
Venus in Cancer 24 45' (11th House)
South Node in Libra 28 33' (3th House)
North Node in Aries 28 33' (9th House)
Mars in Capricorn 23 05' (5th House)

Orbs are a bit wide, but yes, valid cross!

Venus/Mars = relationships, plain and simple. Female meets male. Mars and Venus are the natural rules of the 1st and 7th house, the axis of relationship. Combine this with the nodes and you get the "super opposition" I mentioned.

Combine this need to work on relationships, with Sun-Uranus, the need for individuality and the conflict is obvious: You have a strong nature to be an individual, to be different, but on another level you really need to build relationships, especially intimate (male vs female) relationships, as through relationships self-growth potential abounds. It is through contact with others, be it harmonious or friction-based, that we can reflect upon ourselves through the other.

It's interesting to note.. the nodal axis is in Aries/Libra, and forms a cross with the rulers of these two signs, as Mars rules Aries and Venus rules Libra. Very powerful! Synchronisity at work. Goes to show how important relationships will be to your growth.

The upside: Through relationships, you experience and build your individuality, while helping the other build theirs.

The trap: That you are too individualistic and shockingly different to form a lasting and meaningful bond.

... Just a few thoughts about those placements :)
 

unukalhai

Well-known member
You're welcome :)

Don't be quick to assume t-squares and other dynamic placements are negative... There can certainly be some challenges, but it is through this sort of dynamic friction that we can achieve much. Seldom do you find highly successful people, the "movers and shakers" of society so to speak, without some strong tensions in their chart. In fact, T-squares, grand crosses, and other tension indicators are common amongst them.
 

Moulin

Well-known member
Do i have a Grand Cross please?

AC 19' Aquarius
Neptune 25' scorpio
Jupiter 25' leo
mars 21' taurus

Houses involved: 1st, 4th, 7th, 10th.
 
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