Age of Aquarius May Not Be So Great

piercethevale

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As for my natal Moon it is Tropically in the 25th deg. of Aquarius, conj. my nadir, and the nadir is the "WHY" of my chart axis in a spiritual interpretation and the "HOW" in a mundane interpretation.

Which has the Sabian Symbol of [from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"]

"AQUARIUS 25°: A BUTTERFLY WITH THE RIGHT WING MORE PERFECTLY FORMED.
KEYNOTE:
The capacity to develop the rational and fully conscious aspect of the mind ahead of normal evolution.

What seems implied is a kind of mutation, and more specifically the special development of whatever is symbolized by the 'right side' of the organism. Here, however, the spiritual body (the butterfly) is what the Image represents. A strong process of conscious individualization is suggested, perhaps at the expense of the instinctual-emotional aspect of the personality (its 'left side').

This last symbol fittingly concludes this sixty-fifth sequence, which began with 'A disappointed woman . . .' The five-fold set deals with the management of human energies at the emotional level; here management means overcoming — this, on the basis of negative or ego-challenging experiences. This fifth symbol refers thus to the results of a
TRANSMUTATION OF EMOTIONAL ENERGIES.
"

Thus you can see that I've had to learn to deal with my emotions. Rather, actually, it's been a continuous lesson all my life.
 

david starling

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Thanks for sharing that.
Then you should be aware of how truly receptive you are emotionally?

Asc + Mercury conj Mars + Sun (trine Jupiter in Scorpio) are all in tropical Pisces.

Moon conj Venus in tropical Aquarius, trine Uran in Gemini.

The astrological Ages are my only connection to the Earth Element, since they're the planet Earth's transiting sign location in the zodiac, due to Earth's "wobble" and the "tilt" of Earth's axis.

IMO, the Ages aren't "beaming down" on us from the Heavens, they're affecting our charts internally, like all of the other placements. So, mundane occurrences during an Age are the aggregate effect of everyone having the same Age-sign in their natal charts, century after century, within about 1 degree from one Age generation to another. The Ages shape our shared version of reality.

Pierce, theoretically, using your assertive/receptive patterns, what would be the dynamics of an overlap of sidereal forefront Age of Aries with background Age of Taurus, using the Age Window model? Would they compete for dominance, or mesh well with each other?

In the West, that's the historical timeframe of the Greco-Roman civilizations prior to Christianity--lots of fighting and lots of supernatural visions and beliefs with a great deal of variation.

There should be some empirical, historical correlations we can examine to see if the empirical matches the theoretical.
 

david starling

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The symbol for Mars :)mars:) has become the symbol for the male gender (erection included :whistling:). So, what if Aries is receptive, despite its being a Fire-sign, yet with assertive rulership? That would explain the "sheep" side of Aries, willing to go along with the flock.
 

david starling

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Capricorn could easily be seen as assertive, despite its being of the Earth Element. Saturn is also assertive, so that would make :capricorn: an assertive Sign with an assertive Domicile-ruler.
 

david starling

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Aquarius, at least as a Sun placement, does seem assertive though, as far as going its own way is concerned. So, for the Age Window model, that would make it forefront assertive with Pisces as background receptive. I'm not necessarily including gender, because a woman can be just as assertive as a man, and a man just as receptive as a woman.

Interesting that the first recorded version of a Moon deity, in the Western historical tradition, was a god, father of the Venusian goddess Inanna/Ishtar. But in the Greco-Roman pantheon, the Moon is always portrayed as female.
 

david starling

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Well, thanks Pierce. You've convinced me to take a closer look at the blanket assumption that Fire/Air is always assertive, and Earth/Water always receptive.
 

paul1

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The Aquarius Age as fixed will see a resolution of the fluid socio-political systems in Pisces and over centuries, unification as a world system.
 

david starling

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The Aquarius Age as fixed will see a resolution of the fluid socio-political systems in Pisces and over centuries, unification as a world system.

I'm saying it's been a forefront Pisces/background Aries combination for this Age. It was a forefront Aries/background Taurus combination for the previous Age. And, it will be forefront Aquarius/background Pisces for the next, upcoming Age.

There's an overlapping continuity to these extremely long time-span Ages. Each new Age develops against the backdrop of the previous Age. Mars is due to entirely lose its sidereal Age-rulership authority,, since Pisces will have completely replaced Aries in the Age Window at the start of the Age of Aquarius.

That should mean an end to war, and usher in a new socio-political paradigm based on cooperation and partnership, rather than being based on violence.
 

dr. farr

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For me, I wonder if the planets are relevant to the quality of a given age? Or rather are the stars of the ruling constellation of the age those causes which give the quality and tone to how the age plays out? I do not know the answer to that question, but lean somewhat to the stars giving the quality of influence, rather than the planets.
 

Opal

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For me, I wonder if the planets are relevant to the quality of a given age? Or rather are the stars of the ruling constellation of the age those causes which give the quality and tone to how the age plays out? I do not know the answer to that question, but lean somewhat to the stars giving the quality of influence, rather than the planets.

Thinking of the ages, let’s say 500,000,000 years divided by 25,000.

It says the planets will realign again. But, it is not quite like that is it? For the planets may be there, but everything is not exactly the same every 25,000.

If we use 360 degrees and rotate around, throughout ages, it would arrive back at the same degree eventually, and have a similar thing as we have now. But Pisces Age next, will not be exactly the same, but after rotating Through the 360, maybe. 🙂😁😁
 

david starling

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For me, I wonder if the planets are relevant to the quality of a given age? Or rather are the stars of the ruling constellation of the age those causes which give the quality and tone to how the age plays out? I do not know the answer to that question, but lean somewhat to the stars giving the quality of influence, rather than the planets.

Well, in the sidereal context, the Vernal Point transits and marks the forefront Age sign. The signs, which contain the constellations, don't transit, so whatever qualities a sign imparts accrue to the transiting VP, just they accrue to the Ascendant in the natal chart. Then the Asc ruler becomes vital to the entire chart, relative to the individual's total makeup.

The Age-sign ruler affects the entire world population, as seen in each individual's natal chart, with differing influence depending on how it's disposited in each chart. This goes on for millennia regarding that same Age-sign ruler. People make the Age what it is!
 

david starling

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To know how the sidereal Age-sign rulers, forefront and background affect a natal or mundane chart, it's necessary to draw a sidereal chart, since the VP can't transit in tropical coordinates--it's too busy locating the first point of tropical Aries.

But, to do THAT, one has to choose an ayanamsa! Aye, there's the rub!
 

david starling

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Thinking of the ages, let’s say 500,000,000 years divided by 25,000.

It says the planets will realign again. But, it is not quite like that is it? For the planets may be there, but everything is not exactly the same every 25,000.

If we use 360 degrees and rotate around, throughout ages, it would arrive back at the same degree eventually, and have a similar thing as we have now. But Pisces Age next, will not be exactly the same, but after rotating Through the 360, maybe. 🙂😁😁


How long before the Sun goes Nova? Now that would put a damper on things! :lol:
 

dr. farr

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david starling;1166847 But said:
Indeed so! I am not satisfied with any of the dozen or so ayanamsa which have been proposed over the past 150 years, and certainly not with the 2 leading ayanamsas currently predominant in Vedic astrology; your idea of discrete 30 deg tropical signs constituting the precessional ages is interesting and seems to solve the problem, but for me-I still cannot say that I have any answer to this issue of precessional ages…
 

david starling

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Indeed so! I am not satisfied with any of the dozen or so ayanamsa which have been proposed over the past 150 years, and certainly not with the 2 leading ayanamsas currently predominant in Vedic astrology; your idea of discrete 30 deg tropical signs constituting the precessional ages is interesting and seems to solve the problem, but for me-I still cannot say that I have any answer to this issue of precessional ages…

I'm putting a LOT of stock in the precessional Ages, and even came up with an alternative tropical version using the Age Window method.

I need empirical results that show tangible correlations. So, I tested the Western Sidereal ayanamsa developed by Fagan-Bradley, with sidereal Taurus exactly centered on Aldebaran, "The Eye of the Bull".

Good results for this Pisces/Aries Age. The Age using that ayanamsa begins in 228 AD, when the previously forefront Age of Aries became background to the new forefront Age of Pisces. Rome began crumbling, and by 5 degrees of the Age, it was like a whole new ballgame in the West and the Middle East, complete with the new Anno Domini dating system and the beginnings of two new dominant religions after the fall of ancient Rome.

The middle of the Age, at 1300 AD, marks the beginning of the Renaissance period and more new developments. Then by the 3rd Decant, it was the second half of the 17th Century, when Isaac Newton revolutionized Physics, marking the beginning of the Modern Era.

That's not a bad series of correllatons!
 

david starling

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Thinking of the ages, let’s say 500,000,000 years divided by 25,000.

It says the planets will realign again. But, it is not quite like that is it? For the planets may be there, but everything is not exactly the same every 25,000.

If we use 360 degrees and rotate around, throughout ages, it would arrive back at the same degree eventually, and have a similar thing as we have now. But Pisces Age next, will not be exactly the same, but after rotating Through the 360, maybe. 🙂😁😁


There's a theory that it's an upward spiral, rather than a flat circle. So, each new beginning of the Great Year will be more evolved than the last.
 

david starling

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Indeed so! I am not satisfied with any of the dozen or so ayanamsa which have been proposed over the past 150 years, and certainly not with the 2 leading ayanamsas currently predominant in Vedic astrology; your idea of discrete 30 deg tropical signs constituting the precessional ages is interesting and seems to solve the problem, but for me-I still cannot say that I have any answer to this issue of precessional ages…

I can go back further for important correlations, but the dates get more and more obscure, and the correlations require a fairly accurate timeline. For example, the beginning of the sidereal Age of forefront Aries/background Taurus ushered in the first actual recordings of the Babylonian zodiac which led to our current zodiac as described by Ptolemy and Valens, who lived at the very end of that Age.

And, in the middle period of the Age before that, Taurus forefront/Gemini background, was when city state culture and a host of new inventions, including writing, became well developed in the Tigris Euphrates region. Notice the prominence of the planet Venus, named Inanna , "Queen of the Heavens" (who became known as Ishtar somewhat later), and Thoth of ancient Egypt, forerunner of Mercury, ruler of the background Age-sign, Gemini.

That began the theme of city state culture, which eventually ended the Neolithic way of life in the West. The massive pyramids of ancient Egypt suggest the Fixed-Earth sign Taurus, in my estimation, and Osrius was sometimes associated with Bull symbolism, as Isis was sometimes associated with the cow.
 
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paul1

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pyramids of ancient Egypt suggest the Fixed-Earth sign Taurus.

From the intuitive position the triangle represents Aries. Mechanical penetration is achieved with a triangle at the head, Taurus would be the shaft. This is also the relationship between the cardinal and fixed sign.
 
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