I use to have the zodiac drawing from Sri Yukeswar, but since changing computers, .....
can't put my finger on it now.
Found this which may interest you David or not?
A site arguing the Indian Zodiac and of course Yukeswar's writings since he is no longer around to defend them of course or answer: (as with all forums, there is arguing and name calling)
but this is the gist of it:
https://astrology-videos.com/forum/...diac#:~:text=In the Introduction of his book%
20Holy%20Science%2C,the%20Vernal%20Equinox%
20became%20to%20recede%20from%20aries.
Under "copy & paste" found:
Copy and paste:
Every calendar on this planet ,including the Mayan calendar has been lifted from the Hindu calendar.
The Malayalam calendar is a sidereal solar calendar.
Western astrology takes the tropical approach, whereas Hindu astrology takes the ACCURATE sidereal one.
This results in the originally unified zodiacal coordinate system drifting apart gradually, with a clockwise(westward) precession of 1.4 degrees per century.
For the tropical zodiac used in Western astronomy and astrology, this means that the tropical sign of Aries currently lies somewhere within the constellation Pisces ("Age of Pisces").
Most perceptive modern Western astrologers, have advocated abandoning the tropical system in favour of a sidereal one. This is what happens when you steal without understanding the concepts.
Vedic Hindu astronomy uses sidereal time which takes into account the precession of the equinoxes—though the white man tries to ridicule us for NOT knowing this— and that too after immorally after copying from us.
The earth revolves around the sun in a ELLIPTICAL orbit -- and at the same time the earth wobbles on its own axis -- like a slowed down top, where it takes 25765 years for a full round wobble ..
A solar calendar is a calendar whose dates indicate the apparent position of the sun moving on the celestial sphere.
The Hindu solar calendar starts on April 14–15 ( Kerala Vishu festival ) each year. This signifies the sun's "entry" into Mesha ( medham ) rashi .
The Indian national Saka calendar is used, alongside the Gregorian calendar, by the Government of India. The Saka calendar is also used in Bali with Hinduism religion . Here the medham starts on March 21st ( aries ).
This is for uniformity to unite the country where there are different methods. The usage officially started at medam (Chaitra) 1, 1879 Saka Era, or March 22, 1957.
This system is totally based on revolving of the earth around the sun. It is independent of revolving of the moon around the earth.
This date March 22nd is chosen , as on this date, the day and night are of equal length in “both hemispheres of the earth”- basically at the equator.
Sidereal and tropical are astrological terms used to describe two different definitions of a "year".
Thus Aries of the tropical zodiac is from 21st March to 20th April—while it is from 15th April to 15th May as per the sidereal zodiac.
Both divide the ecliptic into a number of "signs" named after constellations, but while the sidereal system defines the signs based on the fixed stars, the tropical system defines it based on the position of vernal equinox (i.e., the intersection of the ecliptic with the celestial equator).
Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the two systems do not remain fixed relative to each other but drift apart by about 1.4 arc degrees per century..
In astronomy this is a difference between the length of a sun - tropical year (365.2422 rotations of the earth) and a star -sidereal year (365.2563 rotations).
The tropical system was adopted during the Hellenistic period and remains prevalent in Western astrology—basically lifted without commonsense from ancient Hindu astrology ..
The Tropical Zodiac is the position of the sun referenced against the earth’s horizon at a particular locale which gives you the seasons as a measure of the flow of time. The framework for the 4 seasons are the 2 solstices and the 2 equinoxes. This is the one most western astrologers use.
The Sidereal Zodiac is the position of the sun referenced against the star background, as a measure of the flow of time. The framework for the star background is the constellations the sun passes in front of. This is the one perceptive astronomers use.
We can measure time by the seasons (tropical time) or by the stars (sidereal time). The sun, as the time hour hand, is common to both.
Tropical Zodiac:--Most people know what their birth sign is. They may be a Libra or a Taurus or one of 10 other signs of the Tropical Zodiac.
What does it mean?
It means that at the time of their birth, from an earth perspective, the sun was in 1 of 12 zones around the earth. Each of the 12 has an angular length of 300. 12 X 300 =3600. The frame of reference for these zones is the sun’s positions relative to the earth’s horizon.
As the sun moves through the seasons its altitude changes and so do the compass bearings of its rising and setting positions.
None of these signs can be directly related to a group of stars that can be seen in the skies with one's physical eyes.
Sanskrit term Ayanamsa is the angle by which the sidereal ecliptic longitude of a celestial body is less than its tropical ecliptic longitude. Ayanamsa is around 24° today. The ayanamsha describes the increasing gap between the tropical and sidereal zodiacs.
The ayanamsa, changes continually through the Precession of the Equinoxes at the rate of approximately 50" a year. Suryasiddhaanta states that ayanamsha was zero in 499 AD (Mesha Samkranti).
Tropical (sayana) zodiac is analogous to measuring the positions of trees and buildings sitting in a slowly moving bus. Sidereal (nirayana) zodiac, on the other hand, considers a fixed zodiac.
Astrologers when they use modern astronomical calculations to determine the position of celestial bodies, they need to take into account the difference caused by the different reference point used in specifying the longitude, and this they call the ayanamsa.
As earth’s precession changes every year, the difference between the tropical zodiac and the sidereal zodiac changes. This difference is called “ayanamsa” (sidereal difference
The Islamic calendar is still lunar, with no correction for the extra days in a solar year. As a result, the Islamic months move forward by about 11 days every solar year. So, for instance, the month of Ramzan (or Ramadan) keeps shifting. It was in November in the year 2005.
Ernst Wilhelm Admin
Mar 26, 2022 10:58 pm
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Astrorada
@astrorada The ancient hindus measured all this with tropical measurements so the mesha sanskranti was tropical. ALL the old astronomy books and even the puranas are very clear on this. THe Hindus lost the knowledge of precession. They currently follow that the sun moves north on jan 14 and have a huge celebration for it, its called the Makara Sankranti, the capricorn ingress, which according to ALL Hindu texts happens when the sun moves north. The problem is, the sun moves north on December 21st. In 1951 the Indian govt gathered together some astronomers to make a agreed upon calendar in India as different regions were making some different calculations and make it hard to keep unity in govt affairs. The astronomers agreed that sankranti's are correct with tropical and not sidereal and its written into indian law. However, erroneous tradition still prevails and they are using sidereal ingresses and so the average Indian still thinks the sun moves north on Jan 14th.
lol
...... I can think fine enough, write fine enough, but talk? forget it. My last work experience before I quit forever to raise children was in a C-21 Realtor office, owned by a very nice Indian family, but I didn't understand a word they said, so all I did was smile. 