Abortion - Your Opinion

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Blaze

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Probably a lot of women, but they end up being unhappy or divorced, or worse. Its just how it is, women prefer someone who is financially stable. Men, don't really care about those things.

Yes, men don't want to pay alimony or child support. Most men have no problem supporting their children, but certainly don't want to support their ex-wives, which sometimes you will through child support. Which is why most men are choosing not to get married, or having children.

You are the one who engaged on this topic.

Dirius, bro, you're telling me you don't want to get divorced raped by a court system that doesn't favor you? That sounds crazy, don't you want to get married?? Don't you like being indebted to a spiteful harpy that has the power of the law behind her??????

:lol:

Just wanted to say: yeah, I don't want to marry either. It's why I always date up rather than equal or lower, though I still don't think marriage will ever be something I do. Very early 30s here too.
 

Dirius

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Dirius, bro, you're telling me you don't want to get divorced raped by a court system that doesn't favor you? That sounds crazy, don't you want to get married?? Don't you like being indebted to a spiteful harpy that has the power of the law behind her??????

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Just wanted to say: yeah, I don't want to marry either. It's why I always date up rather than equal or lower, though I still don't think marriage will ever be something I do. Very early 30s here too.

"Hello! I'm here to sign up for financial ruin!" :sideways:

A friend of mine got together with a woman at 30 (not married), separated at 32. They have one child. Took a joint loan with his girl to buy a house, she is now living in the house, he is the one paying for the loan, and has to pay child support :kissing::kissing:

No thank you mate :happy:
 

david starling

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"Hello! I'm here to sign up for financial ruin!" :sideways:

A friend of mine got together with a woman at 30 (not married), separated at 32. They have one child. Took a joint loan with his girl to buy a house, she is now living in the house, he is the one paying for the loan, and has to pay child support :kissing::kissing:

No thank you mate :happy:


No abortion though. Too bad the kid is living without the father.
 

Blaze

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"Hello! I'm here to sign up for financial ruin!" :sideways:

A friend of mine got together with a woman at 30 (not married), separated at 32. They have one child. Took a joint loan with his girl to buy a house, she is now living in the house, he is the one paying for the loan, and has to pay child support :kissing::kissing:

No thank you mate :happy:

Dam, sounds like a sweet deal. For the girl. All she needs now is a boyfriend to raise her kid.

That ending is usually how it goes. Happily ever after, isn't it? :lol:
 

Dirius

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No abortion though. Too bad the kid is living without the father.

He gets to see the child, but the first few years after they separated were quite tough on him. She dragged him through court - he spent a lot on lawyers, divorce process, and supporting both of them.
 

Dirius

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Dam, sounds like a sweet deal. For the girl. All she needs now is a boyfriend to raise her kid.

That ending is usually how it goes. Happily ever after, isn't it? :lol:

She is a bit younger than him (currently 28), and she is quite attractive. She will probably suck in another poor soul. He doesn't talk much about her - he is just happy he gets to see the kid, but he is still paying support, even though she does work and has a rather good income.

But at the time of separation, she pretty much tried to get out from paying the loan (did a lot of legal stuff through her lawyer to try to claim bankruptcy), essentially trying to get him stuck with paying the bill ... while she got to keep the house. That eventually sort of resolved and they reached an agreement , but it was a rather tough year for him to deal with all those expenses on his own.
 
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Blaze

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She is a bit younger than him (currently 28), and she is quite attractive. She will probably suck in another poor soul. He doesn't talk much about her - he is just happy he gets to see the kid, but he is still paying support, even though she does work and has a rather good income.

That guy deserves a drink. Dam.

But more reason why men our age don't want to risk marriage. It's a cra'ppy investment for us.

Edit: And your friend wasn't even married! Imagine if they tied the knot beforehand? Judge would've destroyed him.
 
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Dirius

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That guy deserves a drink. Dam.

But more reason why men our age don't want to risk marriage. It's a cra'ppy investment for us.

Yep. Its not that I oppose the idea of marriage, but with the current divorce rate, it just seems like a bad investment, too risky. Especially if you end up having children.

And many times its not even about one or the other being a "bad person". My current girlfriend and I have been on and off for over a decade, mostly because we've lived in different countries most of our lives. Sometimes marriages get disolved due to external factors. People don't always want the same, and even if you somehow reach a positive agreement, its still a pain.

Even if you have an amicable divorce, and you reach a mutually beneficial financial agreement - the distance, the additional expenses, the split time, etc. , all of this is still hard on people, especially if it involves children.

An uncle of mine, divorced, has a great relationship with his first wife (my aunt and mother of my 3 cousins) - but even then it is still a lot of additional expenses, a lot of compromises, etc.
 

Dirius

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Edit: And your friend wasn't even married! Imagine if they tied the knot beforehand? Judge would've destroyed him.

Yeah, he didn't believe in marriage :wink: - but even without it he got scr*wed. Courts here in my country are very tough on men though.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Ummm you guys talk about marriage being financial ruin for men yet you were advocating against abortion, which is financial ruin for the woman?

The reason you guys don’t like marriage is the reason why I like it - I don’t want to have a baby with a guy unless I’m married so he can’t just up and leave without having to pay.
 

Ukpoohbear

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It’ll make him think twice before having an affair with Betty at the Xmas office party and leaving me high and dry - because there are consequences.
 

Blaze

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Ummm you guys talk about marriage being financial ruin for men yet you were advocating against abortion, which is financial ruin for the woman?

The reason you guys don’t like marriage is the reason why I like it - I don’t want to have a baby with a guy unless I’m married so he can’t just up and leave without having to pay.

I'm actually pro-choice.

Dirius an I are just shooting the sh'it about stuff men go through and why marriage is a poor investment to many men our age.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Yeah I knew it was mainly Dirius against abortion but I lumped you both in together.

I’m just shooting the sh’t about stuff women go through :lol: and why marriage is a good investment for safety.
 

Blaze

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Yeah, he didn't believe in marriage :wink: - but even without it he got scr*wed. Courts here in my country are very tough on men though.

I haven't seen a court that isn't, even here in the land of the free. :lol:

Probably what I miss most about pubs - lots of stories to listen to.
 

passiflora

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Ummm you guys talk about marriage being financial ruin for men yet you were advocating against abortion, which is financial ruin for the woman?

The reason you guys don’t like marriage is the reason why I like it - I don’t want to have a baby with a guy unless I’m married so he can’t just up and leave without having to pay.

Certain logic doesn’t click unless there is underlying emotional literacy.
 

Dirius

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Ummm you guys talk about marriage being financial ruin for men yet you were advocating against abortion, which is financial ruin for the woman?

The reason you guys don’t like marriage is the reason why I like it - I don’t want to have a baby with a guy unless I’m married so he can’t just up and leave without having to pay.

Because most pregnancies are the result of a choice, the same as marriage. You choose to get into those things. Pregnancy has the risk of financial ruin for both men and women, but in most cases (excluding the result of rape), pregnancies are the result of consensual sex.

I understand your view on marriage, but then lets re-introduce the concept of divorce "at fault". Lets say the woman cheats and leaves - why should the husband pay alimony? And if the woman is not financially stable to care for the child economically, and the father is, why not give custody to the father? If he is the one mainly supporting the child economically, he should have custody.

Lets make divorce great again! and make it fair for both. Its a very complicated thing - and in most cases divorces benefits the women more than the man. That is why men, don't want to get married anymore.
 
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Blaze

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Because most pregnancies are the result of a choice, the same as marriage. You choose to get into those things. Pregnancy has the risk of financial ruin for both men and women, but in most cases (excluding the result of rape), pregnancies are the result of consensual sex.

I understand your view on marriage, but then lets re-introduce the concept of divorce "at fault". Lets say the woman cheats and leaves - why should the husband pay alimony? And if the woman is not financially stable to care for the child economically, and the father is, why not give custody to the father? If he is the one mainly supporting the child economically, he should have custody.

Lets make divorce great again! and make it fair for both. Its a very complicated thing - and in most cases divorces benefits the women more than the man. That is why men, don't want to get married anymore.

Prenups are nice, but still don't offer enough protection, imo. One party can easily claim they were forced into signing the thing and poof, there goes the agreement.

That happened to my business partner. Scary stuff.
 

Dirius

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Prenups are nice, but still don't offer enough protection, imo. One party can easily claim they were forced into signing the thing and poof, there goes the agreement.

That happened to my business partner. Scary stuff.

In most countries a judge can disregard them as they please.

Only in few exceptional and rare cases would the man be able to get out of a divorce court unscathed.

It would be interesting to ask most forum men what they think of marriage and divorce.
 
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