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<blockquote data-quote="Larxene" data-source="post: 582124" data-attributes="member: 32322">Hello freshblues,You are asking about character. For this, I would look at:1. The Moon (universal significator of the life and body of the person)2. The ruler of the rising sign, which is Mercury (accidental significator of the person)3. The Lot of Fortune (accidental significator, alternative Ascendant)4. The Lot of Spirit (accidental significator, shows the mind and actions)For the Moon, it is well-placed, since it is of the sect in favour, in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; its domicile and in a good house, the Good Spirit. This indicates&nbsp;&nbsp; many&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; things, but among the possibilities are: it makes the person&nbsp; &nbsp; handsome&nbsp; or&nbsp;&nbsp; popular among other people. In the 11th sign with&nbsp; &nbsp; Jupiter, it&nbsp; probably&nbsp;&nbsp; gives the person many friends. However, it is&nbsp; &nbsp; influenced by&nbsp; three&nbsp;&nbsp; things: it is in the same sign as retrograde&nbsp; &nbsp; Jupiter, is&nbsp; opposite&nbsp;&nbsp; retrograde Venus, and most importantly, it is in&nbsp; &nbsp; opposition&nbsp; to Saturn.&nbsp; Let's&nbsp; examine everything in order. Retrograde planets, based on my&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; understanding, hesitates to act. They are like a person who walks back&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; and forth, over-thinking about a problem, instead of taking action.&nbsp;&nbsp; One&nbsp; &nbsp; retrograde planet isn't a big problem, but two backward walking&nbsp; &nbsp; planets&nbsp;&nbsp; afflicting the Moon will generally affect the character&nbsp; &nbsp; strongly. The&nbsp;&nbsp; other problem is that, Jupiter and Venus are of opposite&nbsp; &nbsp; sect. At any&nbsp;&nbsp; time, the Moon is either waxing/full or waning or&nbsp; &nbsp; hidden. When it is&nbsp;&nbsp; waxing/full, it is more agreeable with diurnal&nbsp; &nbsp; planets (Jupiter is&nbsp;&nbsp; diurnal), but is averse to nocturnal ones (e.g.&nbsp; &nbsp; Venus), and vice versa.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your Moon is waxing, so it receives Jupiter&nbsp; &nbsp; more readily, but the&nbsp;&nbsp; opposition to Venus is more difficult. All this&nbsp; &nbsp; indicates that your&nbsp;&nbsp; character is a deliberating one, someone who&nbsp; &nbsp; hesitates when making&nbsp;&nbsp; decisions, tending to think over things&nbsp; &nbsp; carefully before taking action.&nbsp;&nbsp; [Note: this can be both good and bad.]Next, let's consider&nbsp; Saturn. The grey star is contrary to the sect, and&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; although it is&nbsp; somewhat well-placed&nbsp; in this chart, it still&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; influences the Moon&nbsp; according to its own nature. Now&nbsp; what is Saturn's&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; nature? It &quot;chills&quot;,&nbsp; according to Dorotheus of Sidon. In other&nbsp; &nbsp; words,&nbsp;&nbsp; it slows things down&nbsp; and makes things sluggish. Coupled with&nbsp;&nbsp; the&nbsp; &nbsp; retrograde Venus (for&nbsp; Venus' focus is on joy and delight, it&nbsp;&nbsp; does not&nbsp;&nbsp; focus on effectiveness),&nbsp; this is certainly a potent&nbsp;&nbsp; combination, in the&nbsp;&nbsp; sense&nbsp; that it makes the&nbsp; native (you) do things&nbsp;&nbsp; at a leisurely pace,&nbsp;&nbsp; and to prefer to do things&nbsp; that are pleasurable,&nbsp;&nbsp; while avoiding pain&nbsp;&nbsp; and difficulty. This is&nbsp; increased by the fact&nbsp;&nbsp; that Saturn is in&nbsp;&nbsp; opposition to the Moon. If it&nbsp; was a trine or&nbsp;&nbsp; sextile, Saturn's effect&nbsp;&nbsp; would not have been that strong.&nbsp; Now let's consider Mercury. It has the same problems the&nbsp; Moon has, but&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; unlike the Moon, it is not as well-placed. It is contrary&nbsp; to the&nbsp; sect&nbsp; &nbsp; and is in an unfamiliar zodiac sign, but it is in a good&nbsp; house,&nbsp; the&nbsp; &nbsp; Good Fortune. His problems are: it is in opposition to&nbsp;&nbsp; retrograde&nbsp; &nbsp; Jupiter, and it is in the same sign as retrograde Venus&nbsp; and&nbsp; Saturn. Again, we have the same testimonies, that of a careful and deliberate&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; character. You are a person who prefers contemplating about things&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; rather than take actions to achieve something.I should also&nbsp; note that your significator of Actions (which include&nbsp; &nbsp; Profession) is&nbsp; either Venus or Mercury. I prefer Venus, so something&nbsp; &nbsp; like a musical&nbsp; career, or one that is based on creating joy or delight.&nbsp; &nbsp; But Venus is&nbsp; retrograde and is similarly affected by Saturn and&nbsp; &nbsp; retrograde Jupiter.&nbsp; Again, delays and slowing down of your activities&nbsp; &nbsp; occur as a result of&nbsp; all these planets clustered together in Capricorn&nbsp; &nbsp; and Cancer.After that we should look at the Lot of Fortune,&nbsp; which can be&nbsp;&nbsp; considered an alternative rising sign. It is in Aries.&nbsp; Important to&nbsp;&nbsp; note is that this is the 8th sign from the actual rising&nbsp; sign, and is&nbsp;&nbsp; called an idle place. This house promotes idleness. The&nbsp; ruler of&nbsp;&nbsp; Fortune is Mars. Mars is very well positioned. It is of the&nbsp; sect in&nbsp;&nbsp; favour, in its exaltation and is in Good Fortune, a good house. A&nbsp; &nbsp; well-placed Mars makes a person more rational and less reckless. At&nbsp; this point, something a traditional astrology student would ask is,&nbsp;&nbsp; why&nbsp; doesn't Mars make the person someone who takes the initiative and&nbsp;&nbsp; make&nbsp; him a go-getter in life?My answer is this: we need to look at&nbsp; all the testimonies. The Moon,&nbsp;&nbsp; Mercury and Venus all indicate slowness,&nbsp; so adding Mars to the equation&nbsp;&nbsp; will only decrease the effects of the&nbsp; majority of the testimonies. It&nbsp;&nbsp; will not overthrow the majority of&nbsp; testimonies. Aside from that, Mars&nbsp;&nbsp; is also impeded by Saturn in the same sign. Maternus has this to say&nbsp;&nbsp; about what happens when you put Mars and&nbsp; Saturn in the same house:&quot;4.&nbsp;&nbsp; When Mars and Saturn are in&nbsp; conjunction and in favourable houses,&nbsp; they&nbsp; produce a balance character,&nbsp; and soften fierce aggression with&nbsp; milder&nbsp; traits.
5. The association with Saturn reduces the unthinking&nbsp; rashness and&nbsp;&nbsp; impatient ardour of Mars and blunts it with Saturn's cold&nbsp; sluggishness.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thus, when Mars' heat warms Saturn's chill, the&nbsp; cold of Saturn&nbsp;&nbsp; tones down the fire of Mars, from this combination of&nbsp; temperaments a&nbsp;&nbsp; sober, well-balanced human being is produced. 
6. Nevertheless activities&nbsp; are impeded by this combination, for one&nbsp;&nbsp; planet drives ahead while the&nbsp; other hinders. Those who have Saturn and&nbsp;&nbsp; Mars in this combination never&nbsp; attain what they want.&quot;

- Matheseos Libri VIII, Bram translation, 197-198
The&nbsp; last&nbsp; line is not to be taken literally. What it means is that it makes&nbsp; the&nbsp; person hesitate in their actions. Mars signifies one's passions and&nbsp;&nbsp; desires, while Saturn shows the doubts about one's passion&nbsp;&nbsp; and lethargy. So, having doubts and lacking motivation to pursue one's&nbsp;&nbsp; passions, one doesn't attain what one wants easily.Lastly, I&nbsp; examine the Lot of Spirit. Spirit is in......*drum&nbsp;&nbsp; rolls*......Capricorn! Haha, figures. Again, all the above testimonies&nbsp;&nbsp; apply because Spirit is in this sign. This shows deliberation and&nbsp;&nbsp; sluggishness in mind and actions (actions also include profession).&nbsp;&nbsp; Ruler of Spirit is Saturn, and I have discussed his effects above.I&nbsp; hope this helped you understand your character. The bottom line is&nbsp; that&nbsp; we should focus more on the planets rather than the signs, as&nbsp; Dorotheus&nbsp; of Sidon advised in his fifth book. On a side note, I do see&nbsp; many websites and people talking about&nbsp; Capricorn and hard work. I don't&nbsp; know if this originates from Alan Leo,&nbsp; but I believe this is a matter of&nbsp; reframing. All things being equal,&nbsp; Capricorn isn't really about hard&nbsp; work. A sign derives most, if not&nbsp; all, of its effects from both the&nbsp; wandering and fixed stars, and&nbsp; Capricorn in particular is influenced by&nbsp; Saturn. Saturn represents a&nbsp; decreasing influence on things. It restricts&nbsp; one's choices, and it&nbsp; creates losses. Due to this, it creates fear in a&nbsp; person. Fear of loss.&nbsp; Hence, in order to prevent loss, a person works&nbsp; hard to maintain what&nbsp; he possesses. Capricorn embodies this effort at&nbsp; damage control, rather&nbsp; than Aquarius, the other domicile of Saturn. This&nbsp; is because Capricorn&nbsp; is a nocturnal sign, contrary to Saturn's sect,&nbsp; and Saturn is more&nbsp; likely to create problems in a nocturnal chart or&nbsp; when placed&nbsp; nocturnally. &quot;Capricorn is the house of Kronos, feminine, tropical, earthy...a zoidion for hunchbacks and cripples, the setting of the cosmos, indicator of toil and troubles, a zoidion for stone-cutters and farmers.&quot;

 - The Anthology, Schmidt translation, Book I, p. 15.
Regards,Larxene Xenohart</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Larxene, post: 582124, member: 32322"] Hello freshblues, You are asking about character. For this, I would look at: 1. The Moon (universal significator of the life and body of the person) 2. The ruler of the rising sign, which is Mercury (accidental significator of the person) 3. The Lot of Fortune (accidental significator, alternative Ascendant) 4. The Lot of Spirit (accidental significator, shows the mind and actions) For the Moon, it is well-placed, since it is of the sect in favour, in its domicile and in a good house, the Good Spirit. This indicates many things, but among the possibilities are: it makes the person handsome or popular among other people. In the 11th sign with Jupiter, it probably gives the person many friends. However, it is influenced by three things: it is in the same sign as retrograde Jupiter, is opposite retrograde Venus, and most importantly, it is in opposition to Saturn. Let's examine everything in order. Retrograde planets, based on my understanding, hesitates to act. They are like a person who walks back and forth, over-thinking about a problem, instead of taking action. One retrograde planet isn't a big problem, but two backward walking planets afflicting the Moon will generally affect the character strongly. The other problem is that, Jupiter and Venus are of opposite sect. At any time, the Moon is either waxing/full or waning or hidden. When it is waxing/full, it is more agreeable with diurnal planets (Jupiter is diurnal), but is averse to nocturnal ones (e.g. Venus), and vice versa. Your Moon is waxing, so it receives Jupiter more readily, but the opposition to Venus is more difficult. All this indicates that your character is a deliberating one, someone who hesitates when making decisions, tending to think over things carefully before taking action. [Note: this can be both good and bad.] Next, let's consider Saturn. The grey star is contrary to the sect, and although it is somewhat well-placed in this chart, it still influences the Moon according to its own nature. Now what is Saturn's nature? It "chills", according to Dorotheus of Sidon. In other words, it slows things down and makes things sluggish. Coupled with the retrograde Venus (for Venus' focus is on joy and delight, it does not focus on effectiveness), this is certainly a potent combination, in the sense that it makes the native (you) do things at a leisurely pace, and to prefer to do things that are pleasurable, while avoiding pain and difficulty. This is increased by the fact that Saturn is in opposition to the Moon. If it was a trine or sextile, Saturn's effect would not have been that strong. Now let's consider Mercury. It has the same problems the Moon has, but unlike the Moon, it is not as well-placed. It is contrary to the sect and is in an unfamiliar zodiac sign, but it is in a good house, the Good Fortune. His problems are: it is in opposition to retrograde Jupiter, and it is in the same sign as retrograde Venus and Saturn. Again, we have the same testimonies, that of a careful and deliberate character. You are a person who prefers contemplating about things rather than take actions to achieve something. I should also note that your significator of Actions (which include Profession) is either Venus or Mercury. I prefer Venus, so something like a musical career, or one that is based on creating joy or delight. But Venus is retrograde and is similarly affected by Saturn and retrograde Jupiter. Again, delays and slowing down of your activities occur as a result of all these planets clustered together in Capricorn and Cancer. After that we should look at the Lot of Fortune, which can be considered an alternative rising sign. It is in Aries. Important to note is that this is the 8th sign from the actual rising sign, and is called an idle place. This house promotes idleness. The ruler of Fortune is Mars. Mars is very well positioned. It is of the sect in favour, in its exaltation and is in Good Fortune, a good house. A well-placed Mars makes a person more rational and less reckless. At this point, something a traditional astrology student would ask is, why doesn't Mars make the person someone who takes the initiative and make him a go-getter in life? My answer is this: we need to look at all the testimonies. The Moon, Mercury and Venus all indicate slowness, so adding Mars to the equation will only decrease the effects of the majority of the testimonies. It will not overthrow the majority of testimonies. Aside from that, Mars is also impeded by Saturn in the same sign. Maternus has this to say about what happens when you put Mars and Saturn in the same house:[INDENT][COLOR=Blue]"4. When Mars and Saturn are in conjunction and in favourable houses, they produce a balance character, and soften fierce aggression with milder traits. 5. The association with Saturn reduces the unthinking rashness and impatient ardour of Mars and blunts it with Saturn's cold sluggishness. Thus, when Mars' heat warms Saturn's [B]chill[/B], the cold of Saturn tones down the fire of Mars, from this combination of temperaments a sober, well-balanced human being is produced. 6. Nevertheless [U]activities are impeded by this combination, for one planet drives ahead while the other hinders. Those who have Saturn and Mars in this combination never attain what they want[/U]." - Matheseos Libri VIII, Bram translation, 197-198 [/COLOR][/INDENT][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black]The last line is not to be taken literally. What it means is that it makes the person hesitate in their actions. Mars signifies one's passions and desires, while [/COLOR][/COLOR]Saturn shows the doubts about one's passion and lethargy. So, having doubts and lacking motivation to pursue one's passions, one doesn't attain what one wants easily. Lastly, I examine the Lot of Spirit. Spirit is in......*drum rolls*......Capricorn! Haha, figures. Again, all the above testimonies apply because Spirit is in this sign. This shows deliberation and sluggishness in mind and actions (actions also include profession). Ruler of Spirit is Saturn, and I have discussed his effects above. I hope this helped you understand your character. The bottom line is that we should focus more on the planets rather than the signs, as Dorotheus of Sidon advised in his fifth book. On a side note, I do see many websites and people talking about Capricorn and hard work. I don't know if this originates from Alan Leo, but I believe this is a matter of reframing. All things being equal, Capricorn isn't really about hard work. A sign derives most, if not all, of its effects from both the wandering and fixed stars, and Capricorn in particular is influenced by Saturn. Saturn represents a decreasing influence on things. It restricts one's choices, and it creates losses. Due to this, it creates fear in a person. Fear of loss. Hence, in order to prevent loss, a person works hard to maintain what he possesses. Capricorn embodies this effort at damage control, rather than Aquarius, the other domicile of Saturn. This is because Capricorn is a nocturnal sign, contrary to Saturn's sect, and Saturn is more likely to create problems in a nocturnal chart or when placed nocturnally.[COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][INDENT][COLOR=Blue] "Capricorn is the house of Kronos, feminine, tropical, earthy...a zoidion for hunchbacks and cripples, the setting of the cosmos, [U]indicator of toil and troubles[/U], a zoidion for stone-cutters and farmers."[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] - The Anthology, Schmidt translation, Book I, p. 15.[/COLOR] [/INDENT] Regards, Larxene Xenohart [/QUOTE]

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