3 Planets conjunct the Ascendant: Interpretations?

[Selene]

Hi everyone,

My bf (who has no problem with me talking about his chart btw) has a Libra Ascendant however he has Pluto, Saturn, and Moon conjunct his Ascendant.

I cannot for the life of me interpret this part of his chart.

Moon is in the 12th, and if it is conjunct the ascendant than that gives his moon a different flavor, a more cancer-like flavor which I don't feel it has (orb is VERY wide). He is very neutral in his emotional expressions. He can display positive emotions very well, but negative ones don't come easily. When something sad/bad happens to him he has no reaction (is this typical of a Libra Moon or 12th house?)

Saturn conjunct the Ascendant does really show in his personality and appearance. He was depressed for awhile in his early 20s and he is VERY introverted by choice...meaning he is a sociable and likable person who prefers being alone. Also, he manages his money well and he has a receding hairline which I assume is Saturn's doing.

As for Pluto... I don't really know how to interpret it in his case... I don't see Pluto as prominent yet it has the tightest orb in this stellium. he is VERY conscious about environmental issues and tries to educate whoever he can on the issue... but this is also a Taurus trait... As for being secretive, he could be, but I don't see him as the secretive type...

I don't know how to mesh all these energies together and truly understand this stellium...any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[astrologer50]

Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17514

Beginning to Study Astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154469&postcount=10
http://www.soulhealing.com/tutorialwest.htm

house meanings
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/houses.php
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-is-a-house-in-astrology.shtml
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarma&NewDirections.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_house2_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm

Natal chart aspects
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/planetsaspectsastrology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsreference.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssun.htm
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Sun_aspects

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033

There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords – initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts or you'll get too many threads. If this doesn’t get results then try google

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

You may also like to research the Saturn being a singleton ie: only planet in water which the chart is lacking....

Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm

 

[R4VEN]

Selene, one thing to note is that his chart ruler - Venus - is in the 8th house, so this will add to the Scorpionic/Plutonic overlay to his Libra Asc.

Perhaps the 3 planets together can point to different aspects of his personality and/or appearance.

I have found those with Moon conjunct Asc (although widish, I think his Moon conjunction counts) are both sensitive to the moods and feelings of others, and they also tend to be pleasant looking. In fact, a female with Moon conj Asc can be very, very attractive - i.e. physically appealing to others.

You are right about the quieting (not strictly a word, but the best I can come up with) and dampening effects of Saturn on how he comes across to others. There can be a tendency to negative thought, which needs to be worked on consciously. Saturn conj Asc in the 1st house can be an inidcation of difficult circumstances following his birth - such as the need for assisted breathing, or feeding. Saturn on the ascendant can restrict the `taking in of life', especially early in life.

And Pluto on the Ascendant is the catalyst for change. His life is to be about change and deep transformation, and he will bring about change in others, just by others being in his presence. Pluto on the ascendant confers depth and power, and whilst he may not necessarily be aware of this, others will be, and certain others will be very affected by coming into contact with him.

Words to describe how these conjunctions may affect him:
careful; cautious; wary; quiet; deep; thoughtful; kind; caring; sometimes moody.

 

[Selene]

Selene, one thing to note is that his chart ruler - Venus - is in the 8th house, so this will add to the Scorpionic/Plutonic overlay to his Libra Asc.

I don't really see the Scorpio traits in him... The only part of him that truly is Scorpio is that he likes to ponder about the Universe... fascinated by Black Holes and our existence... that's it...

You are right about the quieting (not strictly a word, but the best I can come up with) and dampening effects of Saturn on how he comes across to others. There can be a tendency to negative thought, which needs to be worked on consciously. Saturn conj Asc in the 1st house can be an inidcation of difficult circumstances following his birth - such as the need for assisted breathing, or feeding. Saturn on the ascendant can restrict the `taking in of life', especially early in life.

Hmm... no problems with the birth BUT when he was 1 years old he got E-coli (sp?). Ever since he has a very weak digestive system.

And Pluto on the Ascendant is the catalyst for change. His life is to be about change and deep transformation, and he will bring about change in others, just by others being in his presence. Pluto on the ascendant confers depth and power, and whilst he may not necessarily be aware of this, others will be, and certain others will be very affected by coming into contact with him.

Time will tell I guess... I can definitely see him as a leader, and he is extremely bright, but he sells himself short due to his Saturn.

Words to describe how these conjunctions may affect him:
careful; cautious; wary; quiet; deep; thoughtful; kind; caring; sometimes moody.

yes, these words describe him well, other than moody... If he's moody than what am I (Cancer Ascendant?!)

Also, thank you astrologer50 for posting all those links.

 

[R4VEN]

I don't really see the Scorpio traits in him... The only part of him that truly is Scorpio is that he likes to ponder about the Universe... fascinated by Black Holes and our existence... that's it...

If it helps....................
I also have my chart ruler in the 8th house, and I have always needed time on my own on a regular basis in order to `ponder' - the order of things, and my part in the order of things. Much of what it is I ponder about is very private, and no-one else knows what it is I think about, and chances are no-one else ever will.

The `fascination with our existence' sounds on the money.

 

[Selene]

If it helps....................
I also have my chart ruler in the 8th house, and I have always needed time on my own on a regular basis in order to `ponder' - the order of things, and my part in the order of things. Much of what it is I ponder about is very private, and no-one else knows what it is I think about, and chances are no-one else ever will.

The `fascination with our existence' sounds on the money.

Thanks R4VEN!
I have a question though, what distinguishes this trait from Moon in the 12th?
Aren't both moons (12th and 8th) a bit similar then?
He definitely values his alone time, and he has shared some of his deep thoughts with me and I'm sure there's many more I know nothing about, however, what makes this an 8th house trait and not a 12th house trait?

 

[R4VEN]

Thanks R4VEN!
I have a question though, what distinguishes this trait from Moon in the 12th?
Aren't both moons (12th and 8th) a bit similar then?
He definitely values his alone time, and he has shared some of his deep thoughts with me and I'm sure there's many more I know nothing about, however, what makes this an 8th house trait and not a 12th house trait?

That's a good point, Selene. 8th and 12th house traits are similar, although not identical.

So - he has a 12th house Moon and his chart ruler - Venus - is in the 8th house. Firstly, the moon describes unconscious urges, and is in the house of the unconscious, so determining how it is he expresses his moon may be difficult. Moon in Libra people tend to be very verbal and articulate, but your partner may have quite an inner dialogue which is articulate and makes sense to him. The following quote comes from the DK Foundation website in their spiel on Moon in the 12th:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]"The 12th House is the house of Universal Consciousness. What is accessible through this house has not passed through the filter of mankind’s dualistic, ego-centred perspec*tives. It is the gateway to all possibility, and to Truth, which is apprehend able only when the partial view has been transcended."

Now, his Venus in the 8th may be a mystery. Venus is not very happy in the 8th, and can manifest as sexual obsession, or a stronger than usual interest in the process of death and dying. Apparently it is meant to confer the possibility of inheriting. My research has indicated that the house in which the chart ruler resides natally will `colour' - sometimes quite strongly - the person's expression of their ascendant....... but moreso once the person has learned to work with the chart ruler. This casts attention on his Venus, and how comfortable he is with it.

I hope this has not added to the confusion here. My way of approaching your partner's ascendant expression would be to look at the definitive expression of Libra rising, see how he compares, and work from there. It is also likely that he needs another close encounter with transiting Pluto in order to accept it and embrace it.** (As I write this I do not have his chart in front of me, so I cannot speculate as to when this may be.)

**To illustrate what I mean......... I was born with Pluto-Sun conjunct. I did not know how to express this comfortably or even appropriately until I'd endured tr Pluto's square to my natal sun. I suspect that once your partner has experienced his Pluto square Asc he may be more cognizant of how this can work for him, and so he may consciously express it more freely.
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[Selene]

So - he has a 12th house Moon and his chart ruler - Venus - is in the 8th house. Firstly, the moon describes unconscious urges, and is in the house of the unconscious, so determining how it is he expresses his moon may be difficult. Moon in Libra people tend to be very verbal and articulate, but your partner may have quite an inner dialogue which is articulate and makes sense to him. The following quote comes from the DK Foundation website in their spiel on Moon in the 12th:

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Yes sounds like him. He also over thinks things... this overthinking prevents him from acting on things...
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Sexual obsession? Probably, but again, in his head, not acted out, and he hides it well.
Obsession with death/dying, no, that's me and I have nothing in the 8th...

I don't think he's comfortable with his Venus and it being in the 8th probably adds to this. He is extremely introverted.... I'm sure Moon in the 12th doesn't help matters considering it's hidden...

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It is also likely that he needs another close encounter with transiting Pluto in order to accept it and embrace it.** (As I write this I do not have his chart in front of me, so I cannot speculate as to when this may be.)

I'll take a look at his chart, thank you for all this information, it's very accurate and got me thinking.
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