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1122 KING Rd CRIME & The MOSCOW IDAHO 4 - Tragic Events 13 NOVEMBER 2022 - Theories & Explanations Discussion
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thinking about this timeline for a while now
- have combined details from basically every source available
& have consensus on when the genealogical DNA was done
& thoughts on the current issues.
When EXACTLY Did Authorities Know HE Was THE Guy?
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thinking about this timeline for a while now
- have combined details from basically every source available
& have consensus on when the genealogical DNA was done
& thoughts on the current issues.
Naming Bryan Kohberger Their #1 Suspect
When EXACTLY Did Authorities Know HE Was THE Guy? 
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There’s absolutely zero possibility anyone would be able to walk anywhere in 1122 house
& not know that people were murdered. There was blood everywhere.
On the kitchen cabinets, all over the floor, the railings of the stairs.
DM & BF were also not asleep like they want everyone to believe.
remember reading Ethan’s triplet & fraternity brothers were contacted
because the surviving room mates knew something was wrong in Xana and Ethan’s room
but couldn’t get in to the room or get the door open.
It’s possible that it took a little while to find out what had happened.
- these students were in shock & working under the rules of sorority & fraternity
of trying to keep things “..in house..”
They had had multiple negative run ins with the local police
& there would have been alcohol & dr*gs in the house. They were hung over, tired
- scared & trying to work out what to do next. They feared expulsion & worse
The fraternitybbrothers in Sigma Chi knew the night of BEFORE it even happened.
But they thought it was just a roughing up not murder.
And, pictures were taken by many of Ethan - or those are the only pictures shared.
Dylan phoned her mother during the night and her mother got her a lawyer asap.
Neither thought of calling 911.
The over-riding KEY question in this entire case is
Who called Sorority Row that morning & told them about the dead bodies?
That is the KEY question
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There’s absolutely zero possibility anyone would be able to walk anywhere in 1122 house
& not know that people were murdered. There was blood everywhere.
On the kitchen cabinets, all over the floor, the railings of the stairs.
DM & BF were also not asleep like they want everyone to believe.
remember reading Ethan’s triplet & fraternity brothers were contacted
because the surviving room mates knew something was wrong in Xana and Ethan’s room
but couldn’t get in to the room or get the door open.
It’s possible that it took a little while to find out what had happened.
- these students were in shock & working under the rules of sorority & fraternity
of trying to keep things “..in house..”
They had had multiple negative run ins with the local police
& there would have been alcohol & dr*gs in the house. They were hung over, tired
- scared & trying to work out what to do next. They feared expulsion & worse
The fraternitybbrothers in Sigma Chi knew the night of BEFORE it even happened.
But they thought it was just a roughing up not murder.
And, pictures were taken by many of Ethan - or those are the only pictures shared.
Dylan phoned her mother during the night and her mother got her a lawyer asap.
Neither thought of calling 911.
The over-riding KEY question in this entire case is
Who called Sorority Row that morning & told them about the dead bodies?
That is the KEY question
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The roommates and the neighbors were interviewed by law enforcement.
What neighbors?
About what?
What do the neighbors really know?
Timeline additions and bombshell revelations
Who is Telling the Truth?
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The roommates and the neighbors were interviewed by law enforcement.
What neighbors?
About what?
What do the neighbors really know?
Timeline additions and bombshell revelations
Who is Telling the Truth?
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No problem at all
Kaylee Goncalves's Mom Kristi Goncalves Reveals Jack DuCoeur's Timeline
& Clarifies Statements
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What really happened that morning on King Road?
The victims’ close proximity to drug use/trafficking
both via parental ties
and their residence at 1122 King Rd
presents major risk factors
that have gone largely unconsidered in favor of a sexualized serial killer narrative
This crime has all the markings of a cartel execution
and local sources have come forward to confirm
that drugs were in fact moving in and out of that household on a frequent basis.
So why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility that this is a drug-related homicide?
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What really happened that morning on King Road?
The victims’ close proximity to drug use/trafficking
both via parental ties
and their residence at 1122 King Rd
presents major risk factors
that have gone largely unconsidered in favor of a sexualized serial killer narrative
This crime has all the markings of a cartel execution
and local sources have come forward to confirm
that drugs were in fact moving in and out of that household on a frequent basis.
So why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility that this is a drug-related homicide?
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Shortly after the Idaho 4 murders, in the same vicinity,
Brent Kopacka held a gun - FACT
waved it around and threatened the lives of innocent people - FACT
and we're not suppose to comment on that? wow really?!
The only problem with "..leaving it to the professionals.." is that they are often incompetent, corrupt
or overwhelmed. Participate in society, stand for justice.
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Shortly after the Idaho 4 murders, in the same vicinity,
Brent Kopacka held a gun - FACT
waved it around and threatened the lives of innocent people - FACT
and we're not suppose to comment on that? wow really?!
The only problem with "..leaving it to the professionals.." is that they are often incompetent, corrupt
or overwhelmed. Participate in society, stand for justice.
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initially they were looking for a 2019 to 2023 Nissan Sentra.
It later because a 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra
and BK drives a 2015 Elantra.
Logic tells me a person that calls friends before 911 has something to hide.
What exactly, we don't know.
& time is relevant because could save their lives instead of calling other people
instead of calling 911/the police
They might have survived
but instead you call all your friends to contaminate the crime scene.
These are rich fraternity sorority students
This event started as early as 02:30am that's when the girls started calling Jack
so this notion that they were asleep is bs
this was done either by a professional cartel or a group of people close to the students
- the house was cleaned before the authorities arrived
- the police either working to protect the university as the towns main breadwinner
or are somehow involved and they are not seeking the truth.
The president of university of Idaho used to live in 1122 house
No evidence BK was in the house
or had the military skills to perform this like a ninja - being a nerd
- or any real motive
there was a narrative on reddit before his arrest about some frat kid who had beef with Ethan
who said he would do it exactly as it was done
- the kid since left to Spain and no one ever mentioned it
Who cleaned the bloody Vans footprint
and why would it be cleaned unless implicated
- that is substantial evidence
- both roomates
or just DM
are involved and know the truth!
- shocked that no crime people are calling the crime seen staged.
Dylans missing 8 hours and that vans shoe print they needed luminol to see
luminol = crime scene was cleaned/stagedd
- this is the main reason they didn't do the prelim
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initially they were looking for a 2019 to 2023 Nissan Sentra.
It later because a 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra
and BK drives a 2015 Elantra.
Logic tells me a person that calls friends before 911 has something to hide.
What exactly, we don't know.
& time is relevant because could save their lives instead of calling other people
instead of calling 911/the police
They might have survived
but instead you call all your friends to contaminate the crime scene.
These are rich fraternity sorority students
This event started as early as 02:30am that's when the girls started calling Jack
so this notion that they were asleep is bs
this was done either by a professional cartel or a group of people close to the students
- the house was cleaned before the authorities arrived
- the police either working to protect the university as the towns main breadwinner
or are somehow involved and they are not seeking the truth.
The president of university of Idaho used to live in 1122 house
No evidence BK was in the house
or had the military skills to perform this like a ninja - being a nerd
- or any real motive
there was a narrative on reddit before his arrest about some frat kid who had beef with Ethan
who said he would do it exactly as it was done
- the kid since left to Spain and no one ever mentioned it
Who cleaned the bloody Vans footprint
and why would it be cleaned unless implicated
- that is substantial evidence
- both roomates
or just DM
are involved and know the truth!
- shocked that no crime people are calling the crime seen staged.
Dylans missing 8 hours and that vans shoe print they needed luminol to see
luminol = crime scene was cleaned/stagedd
- this is the main reason they didn't do the prelim
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A week after the killings, records show, investigators were on the lookout for a certain type of vehicle:
Nissan Sentras from the model years 2019 to 2023.
Quietly, they ran down details on thousands of such vehicles, including the owners’ addresses
license plate numbers and the color of each sedan.
www.nytimes.com
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Idaho 4: New Information:
Cops Were Looking for a Nissan? NYT Article
The New York Times has some new info. Let's look at what it isA week after the killings, records show, investigators were on the lookout for a certain type of vehicle:
Nissan Sentras from the model years 2019 to 2023.
Quietly, they ran down details on thousands of such vehicles, including the owners’ addresses
license plate numbers and the color of each sedan.
Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer
After four students were stabbed to death in a house near a college campus, investigators scooped up data and forensic evidence, hoping for leads. A new DNA technique finally brought a breakthrough.
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Bryan And Michael's Timeline On Drive To PA Doesn't Match Up!
We all remember the first time that we got to see who Bryan Kohberger was.
There has been something that has been bothering me
about that whole story
that Bryan and his father gave to the officer. It didn't make any sense
and here's why
- there's no way what they are saying matches up time-wise with where they are.
The WSU incident at Kopacka's had just happened that morning
- yet they are in Indiana. How does that work? It doesn't.
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IDAHO 4:
'..Did You Arrest Anyone Else..'?
Bryan And Michael's Timeline On Drive To PA Doesn't Match Up!
We all remember the first time that we got to see who Bryan Kohberger was.
There has been something that has been bothering me
about that whole story
that Bryan and his father gave to the officer. It didn't make any sense
and here's why
- there's no way what they are saying matches up time-wise with where they are.
The WSU incident at Kopacka's had just happened that morning
- yet they are in Indiana. How does that work? It doesn't.
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- they had to fall back, or he would have ended up like Kopacka - could be why his dad
came down to drive with him. He may have known he was going to be framed or worse.
Mr. Goncalves didn't care who they arrested, he just wanted someone to pay.
LE was tired of Steve getting louder so what do they do, frame Bryan.
Who's Idea Payne & Fry - This is much bigger then anyone will allow as the truth
Lana found the white car in the video that was driving back and forth, it's a Prius and it's in the PCA
read a couple days ago
that a spokesperson for Indiana police dept specifically said
that they have a drug prevention program. They pull people over
looking for classic signs of drug trafficking. The officer didn't see any of those signs
when he pulled over Kohberger. He warned him about following too close behind other vehicles
and sent him on his way.
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- they had to fall back, or he would have ended up like Kopacka - could be why his dad
came down to drive with him. He may have known he was going to be framed or worse.
Mr. Goncalves didn't care who they arrested, he just wanted someone to pay.
LE was tired of Steve getting louder so what do they do, frame Bryan.
Who's Idea Payne & Fry - This is much bigger then anyone will allow as the truth
Lana found the white car in the video that was driving back and forth, it's a Prius and it's in the PCA
read a couple days ago
that a spokesperson for Indiana police dept specifically said
that they have a drug prevention program. They pull people over
looking for classic signs of drug trafficking. The officer didn't see any of those signs
when he pulled over Kohberger. He warned him about following too close behind other vehicles
and sent him on his way.
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The original car they listed was a Nissan Sentra - 2019-2023 They are similar to the look of the Elantra
& about the neighbors ring cam audio recording
& how it picked up the voices of Kaylee & Maddie if they were upstairs on the third floor.
- but perhaps Kaylee and Mattie were outside
remember when the murders first happened
& Alivia talked about the timeline??? She mentions that they got home, and let the dog out.
They were out that night so they would definitely go home, and let the dog out before bed.
Dylan could have heard that conversation outside outside her window.
- seems "..there's someone here.." is said around 04:00am & coincides with Door Dash delivery.
LE writes that DM believes Kaylee says it, but it could be someone else
- a killer or accomplice, even.
What stands out is that the statement changes when the police officer refers to it again
- he puts it in his words that there was someone In The House.
That's not the same as the Dylan M version
- maybe someone could've seen headlights or heard the car door
- someone tell us all how one person got all this mayhem done in 5-6 minutes inside a dark unknown house
- unless Assassin training - probably 2 or 3 & were familiar w the house.
Point is if she can hear Kaylee playing with the dog either upstairs or outside
then she could have heard someone getting killed outside of her bedroom door.
- also believe Xana & Ethan were awake in Living room or kitchen when somebody came to the House
WHEN DID DYLAN MAKE POLICE REPORT??? HOW MANY DAYS AFTER
& if college fraternity sorority knew from approx. 09:00am on & started gathering at 1122
the weather was in high 20's - they are used to cold weather but they stood ouside for hours?
- IF they went in & it was the Blood Bath some have described it as
then they were hiding or covering up something and obviously MANY have pieces of this puzzle
That whole not calling 911 puzzle Must Be Solved
- no matter how many times we ask the question We must find All Truth and Lies
Police told us BF was BOTH home at 1am AND at Sigma Chi with E and X until around 1:45am.
Prior to that we were told the roommates were out separately in the Moscow area.
The paperwork said she had seen them at the fraternity party until 01:45am
- when she saw them "..return home.." noting that Ethan didn't actually live there,
_ & that she herself went to stay at her bf's house in Washington. BF is all over the place!
& did Bryan go to work on November 14th? If so, wouldn't he have some kind of injury
after possibly fighting 4 healthy fit young People
Especially Ethan?
- they supposedly were asleep but obviously they woke up & Bryan would have at least 1 bad mark on hands or face
How did he do this SO FAST!!!
and So Neatly??? No blood trail that we know of???
& his car should have had some traces of blood from it all
Kristi G is back tracking on some of the things they've said previously and during her DT show call.
She also mentioned that she didn't know if or what Steve spoke to Dylan about. bs
- no way she wasn't either with him when he spoke to Dylan
or dissecting every word Steve would have told her about the conversation, if they had one.
Daniel from DT supposedly sent a message to Jules of all Trades alluding to having extra info from the gonzalves
that he was willing to share with her
- that the G's didn't yet want to share with the world.
Cloak and dagger stuff doesn't encourage any trust in the narrative DT show is pushing
- all along it is a Big Cover Up "..Follow the Money.."
Payne is psycho who hunt's a wolf for 2 day's just to kill it makes me wonder about all these mutilated animals.
Officer Payne is a Moscow Idaho police officer. Probably a weekend warrier. Check his where abouts
in all the other knife murders within 150 miles of Moscow. And let me warn you, there are plenty.
There's no proof Brian said who else was arrested his lawyer in PA said he didn't say that.
Most definitely not Brian's car.
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The original car they listed was a Nissan Sentra - 2019-2023 They are similar to the look of the Elantra
& about the neighbors ring cam audio recording
& how it picked up the voices of Kaylee & Maddie if they were upstairs on the third floor.
- but perhaps Kaylee and Mattie were outside
remember when the murders first happened
& Alivia talked about the timeline??? She mentions that they got home, and let the dog out.
They were out that night so they would definitely go home, and let the dog out before bed.
Dylan could have heard that conversation outside outside her window.
- seems "..there's someone here.." is said around 04:00am & coincides with Door Dash delivery.
LE writes that DM believes Kaylee says it, but it could be someone else
- a killer or accomplice, even.
What stands out is that the statement changes when the police officer refers to it again
- he puts it in his words that there was someone In The House.
That's not the same as the Dylan M version
- maybe someone could've seen headlights or heard the car door
- someone tell us all how one person got all this mayhem done in 5-6 minutes inside a dark unknown house
- unless Assassin training - probably 2 or 3 & were familiar w the house.
Point is if she can hear Kaylee playing with the dog either upstairs or outside
then she could have heard someone getting killed outside of her bedroom door.
- also believe Xana & Ethan were awake in Living room or kitchen when somebody came to the House
WHEN DID DYLAN MAKE POLICE REPORT??? HOW MANY DAYS AFTER
& if college fraternity sorority knew from approx. 09:00am on & started gathering at 1122
the weather was in high 20's - they are used to cold weather but they stood ouside for hours?
- IF they went in & it was the Blood Bath some have described it as
then they were hiding or covering up something and obviously MANY have pieces of this puzzle
That whole not calling 911 puzzle Must Be Solved
- no matter how many times we ask the question We must find All Truth and Lies
Police told us BF was BOTH home at 1am AND at Sigma Chi with E and X until around 1:45am.
Prior to that we were told the roommates were out separately in the Moscow area.
The paperwork said she had seen them at the fraternity party until 01:45am
- when she saw them "..return home.." noting that Ethan didn't actually live there,
_ & that she herself went to stay at her bf's house in Washington. BF is all over the place!
& did Bryan go to work on November 14th? If so, wouldn't he have some kind of injury
after possibly fighting 4 healthy fit young People
Especially Ethan?
- they supposedly were asleep but obviously they woke up & Bryan would have at least 1 bad mark on hands or face
How did he do this SO FAST!!!
and So Neatly??? No blood trail that we know of???
& his car should have had some traces of blood from it all
Kristi G is back tracking on some of the things they've said previously and during her DT show call.
She also mentioned that she didn't know if or what Steve spoke to Dylan about. bs
- no way she wasn't either with him when he spoke to Dylan
or dissecting every word Steve would have told her about the conversation, if they had one.
Daniel from DT supposedly sent a message to Jules of all Trades alluding to having extra info from the gonzalves
that he was willing to share with her
- that the G's didn't yet want to share with the world.
Cloak and dagger stuff doesn't encourage any trust in the narrative DT show is pushing
- all along it is a Big Cover Up "..Follow the Money.."
Payne is psycho who hunt's a wolf for 2 day's just to kill it makes me wonder about all these mutilated animals.
Officer Payne is a Moscow Idaho police officer. Probably a weekend warrier. Check his where abouts
in all the other knife murders within 150 miles of Moscow. And let me warn you, there are plenty.
There's no proof Brian said who else was arrested his lawyer in PA said he didn't say that.
Most definitely not Brian's car.
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hear the judge say that this is his right - Innocent until proven guilty
same as you would want if it were you
He may be innocent. We really don't know the truth yet
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Takeaways from Bryan Kohberger's FRIDAY Hearing
Cops Have NEVER Interviewed Kaylee's Family!
Some fascinating tidbits were revealedhear the judge say that this is his right - Innocent until proven guilty
same as you would want if it were you
He may be innocent. We really don't know the truth yet
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too many other connections that are being ignored; seemingly by intention.
i.e.
the amount of drugs through idaho is nuts
- cartel makes more sense than a lone wolf
going in to do this - This seemed like a message
The first comments from local people spoke about drugs being involved
long before Bryan was mentioned!
- & from the beginning possibly a drug cartel retaliation or a gang related incident.
Especially when Maddie made the comment that she told Adam "..everything.."
& the response was "..they're going to get you for that..!"
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Xana's mom involved heavily in a drug problem.
- in fact two mothers had involvment in drug trafficking
cartels did it, and this case shall never be solved
2 family members put in prison a few days either side of this crime is very telling
- the parents may have named some names and this was a retaliation hit.
- Dylan & Bethany may have been threatened - told to keep their mouths shut or else.
This could explain the delay in the 911 call - they had to get there stories straight
& clean out anything incriminating against them
baffling why the DM testimony was released, when and by whom,
which this whole case is revolving around till now
It’s almost as if LE & Detectuve Payne wanted to tie Dylan to her testimony
so that she didn’t back out before trial
While this cartel idea is speculatory, it makes more sense than a jealous rage.
There's way more going on here than any of us know
seems to be something big missing from the entire story. This is too brutal to be a crime of passion.
Not an amateur job
- Crimes of passion are often the MOST brutal - but usually directed at one person not 4.
Not to mention someone either had military training
or there was several involved.
the missing 8 hours was to get the place cleaned up before the cops were called.
If you are somehow in the know about such shady people, you never, ever mention
or speak anything about them to anyone.
Firstly you don't want to mess up your connection for drugs
and secondly you want to protect yourself
This reeks so much of drugs and the s*it that follows it.
If Maddie did indeed flush a lot of narcotics whose were they - Xana's - speculation
- Now she has fronted, product to sell, hasn't paid for it and won't be able to?
Better come up with the cash somehow or face the consequences.
- because that's just not something you rat someone out on.
As the saying goes: "..snitches get stitches.." but in this case, much worse.
Ethan's mom didn't mention Xana at all. It could mean nothing.
But it could mean a lot! Look at how Kaylee's parents spoke of Jack.
You would think Ethan's mom would have said something about the loss of her
- even that they were together at the moment it happened.
- makes me wonder if she/they know, or feel,
- even just based on Xana's mom's history
- that she might be the reason this happened.
But she clearly doesn't live a life with ANY negativity, and would never speak on the subject publicly
if that's how she feels.
Many discourage the kind of online skin sharing & sexy photos that these girls posted too.
- maybe Ethan’s family hold some resentment which is a natural stage of grief.
Ethan it does seem, was at risk only due to his association with the girls at the house
the cops didn't want to face up to the cartel coz they would be out their depth.
Kaylee told Adam everything - having a big mouth in the criminal world is a definite no-no
certainly more to this story.
- from day 1 drug related.
Dave also said there were two drug houses
- and 1122 wasn't the main one, so maybe whoever was running the other one
- eg Em's which Dave said was the other one
- wasn't happy if Xana was selling too..
The video of the girls walking to the grub track that “..they will get you for this..” spoke volumes .
A target attack? Definitely the way they were slaughter sounds like the cartel.
Kaylee was into True Crime.
Steve said she often talked about what a huge problem human trafficking is.
Her parents are the only parents speaking and asking questions.
this is the only narrative that makes sense.
No way the 2 parents charged with drug possession AND intent to distribute, the SAME WEEK is a coincidence.
The fact this was a known drug house.
The viciousness of the murders, was a message!
Idaho is going to do everything in their power to protect their $$$$$$$.
Also Univ. of Idaho just purchased Phoenix Univ.
So at the time of the murders, this major investment was happening.
The question is
is BK a fbi diversion, or are they actually framing him for the crime?
The prosecution will have a hard time convincing a jury BK guilty
because of the contamination of the scene alone.
- firmly believe Steve G. has been threatened, either by FBI, or the ones responsible for the murders.
He has completely changed his outlook.
The cartels have had a strong hold over this country for decades
it’s not spoken of often or at all in main stream media.
Most people have no idea.
Cartels love decapitations and new gory ways to send a message
cartels use women to send brutal messages thru murders and mutilations - similar to the Idaho4.
2 parents of 2 of the victims getting caught within 5months of the murders
& then the murders actually happened almost directly in the middle of both parents getting sentenced!
- one got sentenced on 8th or 9th of November 2022
- then the murders on the 13th November 2022
and the other sentenced on the 17th.
And they were both caught with meth and fentanyl, the same stuff that was usually dealt out of 1122
where the murders took place
& both took plea deals.
Xana's mum was really bad into it and didn't show up for court a few times because she was getting high
including when she was let out for Xana's funeral
and was supposed to report back to court the following Thursday but didn't show
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too many other connections that are being ignored; seemingly by intention.
i.e.
the amount of drugs through idaho is nuts
- cartel makes more sense than a lone wolf
going in to do this - This seemed like a message
The first comments from local people spoke about drugs being involved
long before Bryan was mentioned!
- & from the beginning possibly a drug cartel retaliation or a gang related incident.
Especially when Maddie made the comment that she told Adam "..everything.."
& the response was "..they're going to get you for that..!"
&
Xana's mom involved heavily in a drug problem.
- in fact two mothers had involvment in drug trafficking
cartels did it, and this case shall never be solved
2 family members put in prison a few days either side of this crime is very telling
- the parents may have named some names and this was a retaliation hit.
- Dylan & Bethany may have been threatened - told to keep their mouths shut or else.
This could explain the delay in the 911 call - they had to get there stories straight
& clean out anything incriminating against them
baffling why the DM testimony was released, when and by whom,
which this whole case is revolving around till now
It’s almost as if LE & Detectuve Payne wanted to tie Dylan to her testimony
so that she didn’t back out before trial
While this cartel idea is speculatory, it makes more sense than a jealous rage.
There's way more going on here than any of us know
seems to be something big missing from the entire story. This is too brutal to be a crime of passion.
Not an amateur job
- Crimes of passion are often the MOST brutal - but usually directed at one person not 4.
Not to mention someone either had military training
or there was several involved.
the missing 8 hours was to get the place cleaned up before the cops were called.
If you are somehow in the know about such shady people, you never, ever mention
or speak anything about them to anyone.
Firstly you don't want to mess up your connection for drugs
and secondly you want to protect yourself
This reeks so much of drugs and the s*it that follows it.
If Maddie did indeed flush a lot of narcotics whose were they - Xana's - speculation
- Now she has fronted, product to sell, hasn't paid for it and won't be able to?
Better come up with the cash somehow or face the consequences.
- because that's just not something you rat someone out on.
As the saying goes: "..snitches get stitches.." but in this case, much worse.
Ethan's mom didn't mention Xana at all. It could mean nothing.
But it could mean a lot! Look at how Kaylee's parents spoke of Jack.
You would think Ethan's mom would have said something about the loss of her
- even that they were together at the moment it happened.
- makes me wonder if she/they know, or feel,
- even just based on Xana's mom's history
- that she might be the reason this happened.
But she clearly doesn't live a life with ANY negativity, and would never speak on the subject publicly
if that's how she feels.
Many discourage the kind of online skin sharing & sexy photos that these girls posted too.
- maybe Ethan’s family hold some resentment which is a natural stage of grief.
Ethan it does seem, was at risk only due to his association with the girls at the house
the cops didn't want to face up to the cartel coz they would be out their depth.
Kaylee told Adam everything - having a big mouth in the criminal world is a definite no-no
certainly more to this story.
- from day 1 drug related.
Dave also said there were two drug houses
- and 1122 wasn't the main one, so maybe whoever was running the other one
- eg Em's which Dave said was the other one
- wasn't happy if Xana was selling too..
The video of the girls walking to the grub track that “..they will get you for this..” spoke volumes .
A target attack? Definitely the way they were slaughter sounds like the cartel.
Kaylee was into True Crime.
Steve said she often talked about what a huge problem human trafficking is.
Her parents are the only parents speaking and asking questions.
this is the only narrative that makes sense.
No way the 2 parents charged with drug possession AND intent to distribute, the SAME WEEK is a coincidence.
The fact this was a known drug house.
The viciousness of the murders, was a message!
Idaho is going to do everything in their power to protect their $$$$$$$.
Also Univ. of Idaho just purchased Phoenix Univ.
So at the time of the murders, this major investment was happening.
The question is
is BK a fbi diversion, or are they actually framing him for the crime?
The prosecution will have a hard time convincing a jury BK guilty
because of the contamination of the scene alone.
- firmly believe Steve G. has been threatened, either by FBI, or the ones responsible for the murders.
He has completely changed his outlook.
The cartels have had a strong hold over this country for decades
it’s not spoken of often or at all in main stream media.
Most people have no idea.
Cartels love decapitations and new gory ways to send a message
cartels use women to send brutal messages thru murders and mutilations - similar to the Idaho4.
2 parents of 2 of the victims getting caught within 5months of the murders
& then the murders actually happened almost directly in the middle of both parents getting sentenced!
- one got sentenced on 8th or 9th of November 2022
- then the murders on the 13th November 2022
and the other sentenced on the 17th.
And they were both caught with meth and fentanyl, the same stuff that was usually dealt out of 1122
where the murders took place
& both took plea deals.
Xana's mum was really bad into it and didn't show up for court a few times because she was getting high
including when she was let out for Xana's funeral
and was supposed to report back to court the following Thursday but didn't show
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learned through research
that the Sinaloa Cartel smuggles drugs into Idaho via US Route 95
which passes directly through Moscow.
Interestingly, 95 connects right to Truckee, California.
Route 95 turns into I-80 in Nevada, which takes you to Reno and into good ole Truckee
Dylan wasn't from a wealthy background.
She had free tuition because her mom worked for U of I,
but she didn't have a traditional job like Maddie and Xana.
Add to the fact her bf QK had alleged drug connections
& it seems she could have been the retailer to the Greek houses on campus
the fact that Ethan's family never mentions Xana is very telling.
Once again, common sense. Some of the parent's being involved in narcotics, very telling.
It could have led to the 4 being killed
There is a reason why there was such a large FBI presence there.
There is something big behind this.
Since when on murders do 60 FBI & 2 other police departments investigate?
Maybe they would send a cpl, but 60?
Common sense.
- the parent's don't want the negative info on their kid's out, but it is necessary to get to the truth.
They didn't deserve what they got, either way. They knew some big secrets & were going to expose it.
It really seems the most plausible
the cartel will leave witnesses when they are sending a message to someone that is still valuable to them
it's said that Xana sold d*ugs and that Maddie flushed $250,000 worth of those d*ugs,
and that a hit was put on Xana because of this. It was supposed to be messy to send a message, to set an example
The Sinaloa cartel is the largest one in the US.
WA and its border to Idaho has FOUR different cartels running that state
with Sinaloa having the most areas, and the 3 others taking over the rest.
As unlikely as it may seem to some that the 4 redrum's weren't a "hit"
it is actually much more likely than the SK theory, or a jealous rage theory.
It explains why DM would lie, or why BF is to scared to come back to Moscow & give a statement.
What would keep a person from doing the right thing - fear.
Fear of what - being unalived just like your roommates?
If this doesn't go as deep as a cartel hit,
then it at the very least this crime has a dr*g element to it that caused these de@ths.
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learned through research
that the Sinaloa Cartel smuggles drugs into Idaho via US Route 95
which passes directly through Moscow.
Interestingly, 95 connects right to Truckee, California.
Route 95 turns into I-80 in Nevada, which takes you to Reno and into good ole Truckee
Dylan wasn't from a wealthy background.
She had free tuition because her mom worked for U of I,
but she didn't have a traditional job like Maddie and Xana.
Add to the fact her bf QK had alleged drug connections
& it seems she could have been the retailer to the Greek houses on campus
the fact that Ethan's family never mentions Xana is very telling.
Once again, common sense. Some of the parent's being involved in narcotics, very telling.
It could have led to the 4 being killed
There is a reason why there was such a large FBI presence there.
There is something big behind this.
Since when on murders do 60 FBI & 2 other police departments investigate?
Maybe they would send a cpl, but 60?
Common sense.
- the parent's don't want the negative info on their kid's out, but it is necessary to get to the truth.
They didn't deserve what they got, either way. They knew some big secrets & were going to expose it.
It really seems the most plausible
the cartel will leave witnesses when they are sending a message to someone that is still valuable to them
it's said that Xana sold d*ugs and that Maddie flushed $250,000 worth of those d*ugs,
and that a hit was put on Xana because of this. It was supposed to be messy to send a message, to set an example
The Sinaloa cartel is the largest one in the US.
WA and its border to Idaho has FOUR different cartels running that state
with Sinaloa having the most areas, and the 3 others taking over the rest.
As unlikely as it may seem to some that the 4 redrum's weren't a "hit"
it is actually much more likely than the SK theory, or a jealous rage theory.
It explains why DM would lie, or why BF is to scared to come back to Moscow & give a statement.
What would keep a person from doing the right thing - fear.
Fear of what - being unalived just like your roommates?
If this doesn't go as deep as a cartel hit,
then it at the very least this crime has a dr*g element to it that caused these de@ths.
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JUPITERASC
Well-known member
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What did they find with the Warrant going back a year?
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Was The DoorDash Driver Cleared?
What did they find with the Warrant going back a year?
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JUPITERASC
Well-known member
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New Info Learned at Bryan Kohberger's Gag Order Hearing
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New Info Learned at Bryan Kohberger's Gag Order Hearing
Idaho 4 Case
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