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Hi there Sorry - I've not been logging in a lot recently. However, you may be interested in this article, which I published in London's Astrological Quarterly in 2006 - look particularly at the formation we called Satellite Dish. It may help you to interpret what's there. Regards Sally

Lapis The three positions you quote are: Asteroid Lilith - symbol horizontal line with 4 vertical lines (one with an arrow on it) - this is given by you as 0 Pisc 37 Dark Moon Lilith - symbol circle with angled line through it - at 14 Pisc 36 For clarity I prefer to call this the Shadow Moon...

Thanks for this. Interesting indeed. However, it does show that Mercury is just outside the 15 deg between Neptune and Pluto and more importantly Jupiter and Saturn are well outside this alignment. So we still don't have the "all the planets in alignment" scenario - yet :smile:

That is - more or less - my point - you can get conjunctions of two of the three outer planets, fairly regularly. But not the triple conjunction of the 6th Century BCE. I suppose now we should also be looking for Sedna and Eris in there as well if we REALLY want to have all the planets in...

Before we run away with this, there's one v important question - WHICH Lilith? There are 3. Black Moon Lilith - symbol reversed (moon) crescent above a cross Dark Moon Lilith - symbol circle with diagonal line through it Asteroid Lilith - symbol horizontal line with four vertical lines rising...

Here's an excerpt from a piece I wrote and published in 2004 <Sometime around May 574 BCE the three outermost planets – Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, were all aligned with Jupiter. This is the only instance of this particular triple conjunction (not taking into account Jupiter) in the period...

There are a number of different formations that can form a five pointed star. The actual (perfect) pentagram itself would be formed by 3 Quintile Yods (2 bi-quins with a quintile base) - see figures 12, 15 and 61 in the formations list on my website - http://www.sf-astroformations.org.uk/. This...

After all, if my memory serves me correctly, in classical Greece there were only three seasons - Spring, Summer and Winter - presumably because it is only as we get further from the equator that the Autumn/Fall season becomes more clearly delineated :innocent:

Agreed. Seems reasonable to me :happy:

I guess that's what I was trying to say - because the widest aspect of the cradle is an opposition aspect, the figure - taken overall - will only ever occupy half of the chart - right-left, up, down or at an angle across ways :kissing:

My "source" is basic geometry. If you have a closed four point figure (or shape) with all the points on the circumference of a circle (a horoscope), and one side of the figure is a line which divides the circle in two (an opposition aspect), then the figure can only be placed in one half of...

If you have a sequence of aspects which are: sextile sextile sextile opposition the widest angle is the opposition, and wherever the opposition occurs the three sextiles will be in one half of the chart to the side of the opposition. I defy you to draw this sequence of aspects so that the four...

From the sources you quoted in your first reply: From - http://cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html Trapeze, Cradle A configuration of aspects formed when four points of a horoscope are uniformly connected by three sextiles, with the first and last points in opposition. From -...

It's true that the cradle configuration is also called the trapeze - but this is NOT a Cradle/Trapeze. The Cradle/Trapeze is restricted to one half of the chart - the sequence of aspects is (in terms of signs making up the aspects) 2:2:2:6, whereas this figure - the Envelope or Big Top -...

You have to remember the name - "Big Top". Think of the circus parade of performers - they can come in from either side - and leave through either side - so either the Saturn/Pluto entrance or the Mars/Chiron(Moon) entrance. Because the Grand Trine is in Earth - and its common side with the MR...

Basically, as you will have found from the list of formations this is one of a group of formations that Linda and I classed as "Circus" or "Carousel" figures; most of them have a dynamic rather than static effect in the horoscope. The Big Top figure is a combination of two strong figures, made...

Re: Analyzing the Grand Trine Kite pair forming a Mystic Rectangle/Imperfect Pentagra What you have here is what would commonly be called an Intercepted Mystic Rectangle - ie an equal sided figure where one of a pair of common aspects is "intercepted" by a mid-point aspect. It's not a Kite (or...

What's the symbol they are using? Black Moon Lilith has a reversed crescent moon above a cross Shadow/Dark Moon Lilith has a circle with a line (at an angle) through it Asteroid Lilith has a horizontal line with three short vertical lines going up from it - like l_l_l (that's the nearest I can...

The symbol for Lilith in that chart is the Black Moon point rather than the Dark (Shadow) Moon Lilith "object", whose symbol is a circle with a line through it. There are different interpretations for these two - check out M Kelley Hunter etc. The Black Moon is often considered to be...

I published an article on this in the UK Astrological Quarterly some years ago, and that article is available on my website http://www.sf-astroformations.org.uk/ Look for the article "A Family of Yods" and the formation called "Satellite Dish" towards the end - Think of the two yods whose...