Libra's bad side & how abusive they can be & what they can create.

Hello, i am a fellow Cancerian, my father is a Libra and my mother another Cancerian.

I think anyone here who knows even a little about astrology knows that Cancer & Libra in a relationship is really the worst kind, heck Cancer and Aries are not recommended but it can work if each other understand and attempt to try with each other correct? and there is a shed load more to work with being an Aries.

By the way one of the most valued friends and people i would go to the end for is a Libran i am not against them, she is a genuine person, a warm soul and beautiful inside and out.

Cancer is ruled by emotion, yup we are, some of us can actually control it to a certain degree and others cannot.

My mum is your typical Cancer, not very social, close circle of friends but chooses hers extremely carefully blah blah blah.
Can use emotions to manipulate but in the end it's heart felt and she means well.

My dad when i was a kid had a foul temper, physically beat us and the sharpest tongue ever, he killed my mum inside.

My dad had done all sorts, hit us with belts, i even got 70 hits with a kaine across my back which i am still physically scarred from.

I don't know where his rage came from, my mum would argue with him that's for sure but she just could not put up the same fight, as even when she was right he was able to abuse her good nature and bend it to his own will and agender.

Very narcissistic like nature and is always correct.

At first i was more attached to my father, and i saw my mum as the softer end, so would play up when my dad was out with his friends, getting drunk or gambling.

My mum would be the one always having to cope with 4 kids at once, and dad would be the abusive one who we feared. It's not just physically but mentally too.

He would make us stand there for hours and listen to him go on about how pathetic we are and how much bad we have done and then tell us how we could do better. Whilst i have a massive headache tears running down my face and i can no longer bear to stand any longer.

The house was never tidy and was always a mess, it's difficult with 4 kids and no one hands you a book on how to be a parent.

Some times me and my brother got woke up in the early hours of the morning and were forced to tidy the entire kitchen from top to bottom, and was accompanied by a good few slaps and making us feel pain, not light either, full strength hits.

I am unsure of why my mum was so protective over us all but well even if i begged was never allowed out to play, so for this suffered socially and was not able to really find myself, living in fear and no actual way to socialise.

It got so bad that his abuse turned into irrational fears, we would also watch scary adult movies too, it was so bad i would literally wet myself before i went to the toilet because the fear of monsters overwhelmed my mind but i would do my best to hide it, if my dad ever found out which he did with my brother, he would make a mockery of us. My brother is an Aquarius and a completely different person to me yet somehow the fear must have been very similar.


I am 26 now and i had that fear until around the age of 23, however no where close to as bad as it was when i was with my dad at a young age, never wet myself and i have full control over my bodily functions.

Now my mum began to mirror my father a bit, she slapped us, she threw a calculator at my brothers head once and threw me to the ground hard and i landed on my head, she instantly regretted both occasions but the fact remains it still happened, but i kind of see and understand what was going on.

I won't repeat everything else that has gone on in my life, if you wish to see more about me when i was in care and growing up refer to this thread in the below link.

Post number 6.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99130

Now when i was in my teen years as i went into care at 12 years old, i did not know myself, i once was bought 2 pet hamsters, i killed one, put that back in it's cage and the other one was terrified and tried to nibble it's way out of the metal cage injuring it's self.

To this day i regret it and would take it back if i could, it hurts that i could even do that but due to my immaturity and not knowing myself which is no excuse, i don't think i knew any better.

I was brought up correctly, my first carer was a guy who would go on to move to Bulgaria who ends up marrying that special Libran i was mentioning who i would go to the end for.

I did something wrong and i ended up cowering in a corner and he was actually nice to me and said it's ok i think he knew i was scared.
From then we grew a huge bond and he wanted to take me with him to Bulgaria, i was all for it but my mum & dad were allowed to voice opinions and social services stopped it from happening.

I then moved with my final carer, a Cancer female, young about 27 i think when i moved in and new to foster caring.

Through my time with her, she went through hell.... first guy she was with cheated on her.
Second guy was a Scorpio who punched holes through her house walls, this house was brand new and newly built too it was a lovely place, however i left and was in the Army went on leave for a week only to find she has moved house and is with another man and that guy set her house on fire.


I had a recent visit to see her, i told her i was not scared of him but he was a built guy about 5 foot 9 and strong as an ox whilst me i was 6 foot and a rake with no muscle mass, i told her i wanted to do something but there was her job on the line if i got hurt and then there is me in my head thinking logically i don't think i have what it takes to physically overpower him.

From bullying in school i was called ugly, weak etc, i got hit by this one lad all the time for no reason it was disturbing, bounced my head off a window almost broke the glass, i just got used to it. but i did sometimes try to boast about myself because i had no other way of trying to impress others and make friends.


Something about me was different though my energy is ridiculous and unlimited or seemingly so.

With my last carer i was talking about she had some really bad eggs... a lad that would try to start fights with me, she allowed him once to confront me as she just could not stop his deluded mentality and bullying nature, i gave him a swift push and he went flying up a wall and ended up in tears holding his back, another time he was going at it in front of my friends who i knew through my carers family etc, i pinned him up a wall with one arm and he balled in tears, i then got out of the room and put a huge hole through my own bedroom door with a single punch, i immediately went downstairs to my carer and said i cannot take this kind of abuse from anyone and was more of a teary thing and one of the only times needed a hug.

From then on i became more self aware that i'm actually strong physically but never attempted to use it... i left school, and my carer got me working, which was a good idea, i did gardening, laying flag stones and laying bark etc which was physically demanding but i enjoyed it, i worked for no wage and got EMA which was some kind of supportive money, only 30 pound a week.

I then left care and well my next career would be the Army.

Out of the Army through learning more from myself i ended up back with my original family, my mum and dad.

Only now i am wiser, my dad cannot control me, cannot stand over me, cannot hold a candle to how strong i am.

I made it clear to him that i still care about him and he is my father, but i also brought up how bad he was, his only comeback was that he regrets it, i mentioned once that ok i am willing to forgive you and give you the benefit of the doubt.

My mum only just got over cancer...

My dad got into an argument with her and made her cry, he also promised to do something for her and failed and went out to his friends house instead.

My dad is an avid collector of CD's and movies.. a hoarder which he likes to call my mother but.. anyway.


My inner rage is boiling at this point i'm getting the pain signals from my mum and i just end up punching his entire CD collection cutting my own hands up and in the process becoming an animal and scaring the living hell out of my mother reducing her to tears, i immediately after my rage had cooled down gave her a hug and said i am sorry and that i am angry at dad not you.

He arrives home becomes angry but it's suppressed as he has met his match and more, did not last long and i gave him the reason why this happened, the only thing he could mention is how would you like this done to your stuff?

My mum still had arguments with my dad after this, my father refused to see a psychiatrist, my mum reminded him of it and he immediately threw a tantrum and said oh you are making this up even though she clearly had the paper work, i stood by her and said yeah it's real, never mind though another drainer for my mum and my dad just ***** out her positive energy and feeds on it.


My mum then became ill having irregular bleeding... goes to hospital and then will have a stroke and 2 major bleeds to her head causing her to be disabled.

My father did cry about this but at the same time i never knew if it was real.
My mums family is abusive too and she never had a great upbringing either, my grandma was pure evil and granddad.... well once he threatened me when i was about 8 years old with his air rifle, he also held me upside down and dunked my head in the toilet "to see the gold fish"

My mum stopped the visits to see them to protect her kids.

From all this, i have a massive temper that knows no boundaries, but i am in total control of it and will warn you before it comes close to this point, but if it does my dial hit's 11 not 10 like most people.

However i'm amazingly understanding, an excellent listener, caring, and highly intelligent.

My IQ score was 126 and i'm able to accomplish almost anything if i apply myself and concentrate.

I learnt from it all, my bro is slightly autistic, and has learning difficulties as does my little sister, my older sister escaped by accusing my dad of a false allegation of sexual assault which is verified as false and i would never lie about it.

I came back my dad helped me to get home from when i served my 3 month sentence in MCTC, i also think i had to come back to realise the extent and fully understand what was going on, now i am far better off for it, i can do without my family and have gained tremendous strength that would most likely break many other people.

Sorry for the rather depressing write up i thought i would express myself and share a darker side to a normally unsuspecting sign.


Also a good write up about Libra and their dark side below.

http://how-to-live-with-a-narcissis.../wanna-know-truth-about-libra-males-beat.html
 
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conspiracy theorist

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Alright, can you give the concise version of Libra's and their bad side? Because what I'm seeing is more of a rant on how much of a c'unt your dad was and not anything pertaining to the sign of Libra itself.
 
Alright, can you give the concise version of Libra's and their bad side? Because what I'm seeing is more of a rant on how much of a **** your dad was and not anything pertaining to the sign of Libra itself.

I don't know they are seen as harmless, it's astrology and not everything matches up, i never said all people are like this even in the same sign which i made clear at the top of my post.

Not sure why you are so defensive about this.

But i can understand your defensiveness ;)
 

conspiracy theorist

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I don't know they are seen as harmless, it's astrology and not everything matches up, i never said all people are like this even in the same sign which i made clear at the top of my post.

Not sure why you are so defensive about this.

But i can understand your defensiveness ;)

I have no libra in my chart so try again
 
Let me ask the question again. Can you give some actual bad sides to the sign of libra itself? There was no ulterior motive to the question

Ahh i see.

To me i don't know their bad side without knowing my own father or looking it up on Google.

However...

Libra's Negative Qualities
No Libra profile can be complete without a sampling of the sign's more negative qualities. These can include:

Narcissism: Make no mistake about it, whether Libra is the sun sign or on the ascendant, narcissism can be a part of this sign's makeup. Librans can be very appearance-oriented people, and that appearance begins with themselves. They want to look beautiful and/or handsome and will take as much time as needed to make sure that they look their absolute best. Lest you think that Libra is simply trying to fulfill a huge ego, note that being surrounded by beauty actually helps Libra feel calm and centered.
Flirtatious: Librans all but invented the art of flirting, and they will flirt with just about anyone. While it's true that practically all the signs flirt, Libra has elevated flirting to quite the art form; you just never know if he or she is flirting with you or simply being nice.


Vacillating: One of the hardest things for Libra to do is to make a decision, and no matter what you do, never press these people to make a decision quickly. First, the mere fact that you are pressing them to act quickly only serves to convince them that you are uncouth and uncultured. After all, who makes a decision without carefully weighing all the options? Second, Libras don't like to feel pressured; if they feel, or if it's proven, that they made the wrong choice, they will happily blame you for the rest of your life! Third and finally, these natives truly want to come up with the right solution, and they will feel emotionally devastated if they don't
 

conspiracy theorist

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Ahh i see.

To me i don't know their bad side without knowing my own father or looking it up on Google.

However...

Libra's Negative Qualities
No Libra profile can be complete without a sampling of the sign's more negative qualities. These can include:

Narcissism: Make no mistake about it, whether Libra is the sun sign or on the ascendant, narcissism can be a part of this sign's makeup. Librans can be very appearance-oriented people, and that appearance begins with themselves. They want to look beautiful and/or handsome and will take as much time as needed to make sure that they look their absolute best. Lest you think that Libra is simply trying to fulfill a huge ego, note that being surrounded by beauty actually helps Libra feel calm and centered.
Flirtatious: Librans all but invented the art of flirting, and they will flirt with just about anyone. While it's true that practically all the signs flirt, Libra has elevated flirting to quite the art form; you just never know if he or she is flirting with you or simply being nice.


Vacillating: One of the hardest things for Libra to do is to make a decision, and no matter what you do, never press these people to make a decision quickly. First, the mere fact that you are pressing them to act quickly only serves to convince them that you are uncouth and uncultured. After all, who makes a decision without carefully weighing all the options? Second, Libras don't like to feel pressured; if they feel, or if it's proven, that they made the wrong choice, they will happily blame you for the rest of your life! Third and finally, these natives truly want to come up with the right solution, and they will feel emotionally devastated if they don't

Thanks for chilling out. I have two more questions. Do you know any other libras who display these traits?

And have you posted your chart somewhere? I'd want to look at it
 
Thanks for chilling out. I have two more questions. Do you know any other libras who display these traits?

And have you posted your chart somewhere? I'd want to look at it

Never encountered anyone else like him however that random blog post i found summed my own father up almost 100%.

My chart is below.
 
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conspiracy theorist

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Never encountered anyone else like him however that random blog post i found summed my own father up almost 100%.

If you ever care to go far in astrology, you'll have to unload all that baggage that you have for the libran sign which you seem to use as a proxy for the hate you have for your father. Here is a page about the libran sign if you are interested, it is a little more objective than calling down narcissism and other such choice words.

http://skyscript.co.uk/libra.html

My chart is below.

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Ahh, so you have a Moon Mars conjunction square your Mercury. No wonder you have such a hair trigger temper. Do you know your time of birth? That'll clarify a whole lot more to your character and life (as well as pinpoint the terrible r/ship between your dad)
 
If you ever care to go far in astrology, you'll have to unload all that baggage that you have for the libran sign which you seem to use as a proxy for the hate you have for your father. Here is a page about the libran sign if you are interested, it is a little more objective than calling down narcissism and other such choice words.

http://skyscript.co.uk/libra.html



Ahh, so you have a Moon Mars conjunction square your Mercury. No wonder you have such a hair trigger temper. Do you know your time of birth? That'll clarify a whole lot more to your character and life (as well as pinpoint the terrible r/ship between your dad)

Time of birth is unknown and i own a full copy of my birth cert.

My dads chart without correct time is below for you.

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"-199 Opposition Moon - Jupiter

He is sometimes indifferent to others, to those who surround him: he is, without thinking, negligent and indecisive. He may "feed" inner restlessness with excesses in gambling, shopping, or other comforts, and his honesty is sometimes a bit elastic. This aspect does not help professional success, especially as he tends to spend more than he earns. Sometimes enthusiastic and gung-ho, and other times indifferent, it can be challenging for others to understand him. Needs to find constructive avenues for his inner restlessness.
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conspiracy theorist

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Time of birth is unknown and i own a full copy of my birth cert.

My dads chart without correct time is below for you.

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"-199 Opposition Moon - Jupiter

He is sometimes indifferent to others, to those who surround him: he is, without thinking, negligent and indecisive. He may "feed" inner restlessness with excesses in gambling, shopping, or other comforts, and his honesty is sometimes a bit elastic. This aspect does not help professional success, especially as he tends to spend more than he earns. Sometimes enthusiastic and gung-ho, and other times indifferent, it can be challenging for others to understand him. Needs to find constructive avenues for his inner restlessness.
"

Again no birth time so comments will be very general.

He possesses:

- Sun Saturn square with the Sun being afflicted by a diginified Saturn. Sun already in fall and receiving such a heavy hitting malefic into its exaltation is not a very nice placement to see.

- Mars and Saturn opposition with Mars in fall (Mars doesn't like to be in this sign and I've seen it with people who don't have a very good control on their angry tendencies). Saturn is again the powerful one in the aspect and he afflicts Mars with Mars receiving Saturn into his detriment. These are the 2 malefics in astrology and when they are implicated together it doesn't usually portend very positive conditions. (the extreme cruelty might stem from this aspect as well as others)

- You have no time of birth so you can't be certain about the moon placement. If I was to take a guess just off of your story your dad would likely have a night birth which makes Saturn extremely negative in the chart. This would also push the Moon into cancer where his irrational mind (imagination, emotional tendencies etc) are directly influence by the co-presence of Mars (violence, rage) and Saturn through the opposition by sign (control and fear mongering).

- Venus is also in detriment in Scorpio and has direct influences on his rational mind (Mercury). This may indicate sexual perversions to the mind in the worst case scenarios, especially if you through in the bonus planet Neptune conjunct this placement, adding fantasy and addiction to the config.


Notice I didn't mention much about Libra? You have to look at the whole chart chica.
 
Again no birth time so comments will be very general.

He possesses:

- Sun Saturn square with the Sun being afflicted by a diginified Saturn. Sun already in fall and receiving such a heavy hitting malefic into its exaltation is not a very nice placement to see.

- Mars and Saturn opposition with Mars in fall (Mars doesn't like to be in this sign and I've seen it with people who don't have a very good control on their angry tendencies). Saturn is again the powerful one in the aspect and he afflicts Mars with Mars receiving Saturn into his detriment. These are the 2 malefics in astrology and when they are implicated together it doesn't usually portend very positive conditions. (the extreme cruelty might stem from this aspect as well as others)

- You have no time of birth so you can't be certain about the moon placement. If I was to take a guess just off of your story your dad would likely have a night birth which makes Saturn extremely negative in the chart. This would also push the Moon into cancer where his irrational mind (imagination, emotional tendencies etc) are directly influence by the co-presence of Mars (violence, rage) and Saturn through the opposition by sign (control and fear mongering).

- Venus is also in detriment in Scorpio and has direct influences on his rational mind (Mercury). This may indicate sexual perversions to the mind in the worst case scenarios, especially if you through in the bonus planet Neptune conjunct this placement, adding fantasy and addiction to the config.


Notice I didn't mention much about Libra? You have to look at the whole chart chica.


Thank you for taking your time to look deeper into this, i'm not that great with astrology but am fascinated by it, and a lot of it makes sense.

Now i have seen what you have stated here, it's caused me to be a bit more apprehensive... maybe my sister was telling the truth, if sexual perversion will cover an allegation of sexual assault to your own daughter?

However i won't allow it to play on my mind and it was according to documentation proven as an unreliable case as my sister who is Aquarius like my brother was inconsistent with her story.
 

conspiracy theorist

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Thank you for taking your time to look deeper into this, i'm not that great with astrology but am fascinated by it, and a lot of it makes sense.

Now i have seen what you have stated here, it's caused me to be a bit more apprehensive... maybe my sister was telling the truth, if sexual perversion will cover an allegation of sexual assault to your own daughter?

However i won't allow it to play on my mind and it was according to documentation proven as an unreliable case as my sister who is Aquarius like my brother was inconsistent with her story.

No need to jump to conclusions I agree, but the astrology does aid very well in getting a "bird's eye view" on certain things. It would be wise to just keep it as a little note for awhile.

I also notice while glancing at your chart that you may very well have an Aries Moon instead of a Taurus moon, which again explains very well your temper (and temperament). A Mars ruled moon as opposed to a Venus ruled moon fits what little I've interacted with you. (And it seems that my Sag Mars may have raised your hairs with my initial comment)

Anyway, I hope this little expose shows you that astrology is waaaay more than what Sun sign you have (I notice your Aquarius sister comments but Rome wasn't built in a day).
 
No need to jump to conclusions I agree, but the astrology does aid very well in getting a "bird's eye view" on certain things. It would be wise to just keep it as a little note for awhile.

I also notice while glancing at your chart that you may very well have an Aries Moon instead of a Taurus moon, which again explains very well your temper (and temperament). A Mars ruled moon as opposed to a Venus ruled moon fits what little I've interacted with you. (And it seems that my Sag Mars may have raised your hairs with my initial comment)

Anyway, I hope this little expose shows you that astrology is waaaay more than what Sun sign you have (I notice your Aquarius sister comments but Rome wasn't built in a day).

You seem an awesome person and thanks for understanding my temperament, some people cannot deal with me as i boil up very fast verbally, like my brother wanted to talk about something but it was against what was going on and was treating me like a child, i went instantly to verbally loud and defensive... i stated before on these boards that i feel i have some Arien quality in me as i get on with Aries very well, i even have an Aries female who wants me badly and i feel the same way for her, and a good male friend who is also an Aries, but my Cancer side gives me a more open emotional side that i can kind of handle, most Cancer people will hide emotions and feelings or they show them and sulk and brood.

I'm instant with strong emotion, i cry like any other Cancer but when i do it's private or with someone i truly trust.


Heh i guess i'm the Steamy element lol.


http://hexagoninfulleffect.com/2012...on-in-aries-the-cage-fighter-the-crab-of-war/
 
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CapAquaPis

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Libras can be a good friend you're able to trust (at first), then they switch opposites to back lash at you and become your worst enemy. You must be careful with Libras, makes you wonder a friendship about to be an adversary is any use at all. For air signs Gemini and Aquarius (that's me), Libras are alright and good people, I do know the air signs are two-sided: Gemini-the twins, Libra-the scales in a balance and Aquarius-the waves from the water pot, signifies there are two ways an air sign personality can be to others.
 

conspiracy theorist

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You seem an awesome person and thanks for understanding my temperament, some people cannot deal with me as i boil up very fast verbally, like my brother wanted to talk about something but it was against what was going on and was treating me like a child, i went instantly to verbally loud and defensive... i stated before on these boards that i feel i have some Arien quality in me as i get on with Aries very well, i even have an Aries female who wants me badly and i feel the same way for her, and a good male friend who is also an Aries, but my Cancer side gives me a more open emotional side that i can kind of handle, most Cancer people will hide emotions and feelings or they show them and sulk and brood.

I'm instant with strong emotion, i cry like any other Cancer but when i do it's private or with someone i truly trust.


Heh i guess i'm the Steamy element lol.


http://hexagoninfulleffect.com/2012...on-in-aries-the-cage-fighter-the-crab-of-war/

You definitely do come across pretty steamy with a lot of heart. In that regard I'm inclined to believe that you have an Aries moon (I wasn't aware of the thread where you mentioned that). Then having a Cancer Sun with the dispositor in Aries and with the Aries Moon being itself disposed by a Mars Mercury Square (Fiery emotions turned into verbal aggressiveness) does seem like the quick and dirty on you.

Since we're sharing our sun moon combinations, I might as well show you mine.

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_sagittarius-aquarius.pdf
 
Libras can be a good friend you're able to trust (at first), then they switch opposites to back lash at you and become your worst enemy. You must be careful with Libras, makes you wonder a friendship about to be an adversary is any use at all. For air signs Gemini and Aquarius (that's me), Libras are alright and good people, I do know the air signs are two-sided: Gemini-the twins, Libra-the scales in a balance and Aquarius-the waves from the water pot, signifies there are two ways an air sign personality can be to others.

My father is a completely different character to "outside" people, he shows his own colours when he can manipulate them, he will try it and if he can't do it, you see him break down, that's how he is with me, i sort of calm the issue with my dad as i still live here for now, though i'm progressing and finding work, also going to be doing my C+E license and start driving, plus a gorgeous Aries female is very interested in me.
 
So do fire, earth and water signs have only one way they can be to others?

Water signs will treat everyone equally in regards to outward personality, however we never cross boundaries, such as someone who is very close to me and a good friend i will leave a single kiss in messaging etc, if my lady friend is jealous or thinking more is going on, i will just show them everything and even hold their hand and take them to that person, i will do everything to show her how much she means to me.

I don't know how water signs work when they cheat etc as i'm set in my ways and can't do it.

My other half get's unlimited kisses, usually 2 or 3, it's pretty blatant who my heart belongs too.

I have been known to be flirtatious but only in fun, but would never do it in front of my significant other as i understand the feelings that sort of thing can inflict on someone.

Cancer can manipulate through emotion and use emotional black mail but most people will see through it and it's harmless, it will be used in a way to gain something positive, with an air of innocence to it, but it can really rub some people the wrong way.
 
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