Apotelesmatika

Bunraku

Well-known member
Due to mercury's changeable nature, do you feel that other things can influence his "sectness" in regards to configurations, such as rulers and aspects?
 

petosiris

Banned
Due to mercury's changeable nature, do you feel that other things can influence his "sectness" in regards to configurations, such as rulers and aspects?

No, but I think those things interact with his sectness, as when he is operative in Leo as a morning star, but inoperative as evening star, and vice versa in Scorpio. Diurnal and nocturnal planets become more operative or inoperative in the degrees of Mercury depending on his phase. I think his sect plays the same role as the other planets in their influence over the zodiac and is just underrated.
 

Bunraku

Well-known member
Honestly it seems like every other work published after the Greek era was just a rehash of Ptolemy. or am I going crazy. :andy:
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Honestly it seems like every other work published after the Greek era
was just a rehash of Ptolemy. or am I going crazy. :andy:
"Well over 90%
of everything that was ever written on the subject
is lost, so
debating what Greek astrologers did
is probably an exercise in futility.


It is important to realize

that Valens is probably 300+ years removed from the founders he is fond of quoting"
Curtis Manwaring of the Lost Horoscope X-files


difference between Ptolemy and Valens:

Vettius Valens' Anthologiae is the longest extant astrological work from antiquity.
It is unique in several respects:
the author was a practicing astrologer;
the work includes more than 100 authentic horoscopes of Valens' clients or associates,
including his own, which is used as an example many times throughout the work.
Professor Mark T Riley


Ptolemy did not only compile, in fact,
while Ptolemy 'compiled',
Ptolemy altered techniques according to personal prejudice/whim: and
Ptolemy, mathematician/astronomer
and not a practicing astrologer
had a different rationale/perspective to that of Valens.
Ptolemy built on the work of Apollonius of Perga
who (approximately four centuries earlier than Ptolemy)
developed a form of geometric particular methods
within the geometrical practice, that are to do with circular motion
- as well as motions of circles moving on circles and so on
- that Ptolemy then applied to discovering the much sought-after geometrical rationale
thought to be underlying appearances

Thus
Ptolemy described a rationale that 'explained' retrograde motion
- but incorrectly
- (because the planets do not move with uniform circular motion in circles
Ptolemy's mathematically appealing idea of the universe is incorrect

Valens perspective being that of a practicing astrologer
meant
that Valens was eager to preserve everything he possibly could intact
for the benefit of future astrologers.
Valens simply compiled
without altering
what he compiled.
Certainly Valens commented on
the various astrological techniques
but crucially, did not alter any.
That fact taken in tandem with Valen's work being
'the longest extant astrological work from antiquity'
makes Valens an important figure.
Crucially, Valens utilised not only his own horoscope
but also those of more than a 100 authentic horoscopes of his own clients.
in contrasat
Ptolemy doesn't talk very much about people of his own time
instead he talks about observations made centuries earlier by Hipparchus,
another great astronomer

- Observations used by Ptolemy are largely Babylonian via Hipparchus
And it was Hipparchus who, a century after Apollonius
began applying the Apollonian geometry
in the first attempt to describe the movements of the heavenly spheres
geometrically.
Hipparchus took the first steps
in attempting to make the Apollonian geometry
fit the appearances of the heavens
- particularly in relation to the moon and the sun
- by developing those moving circles
as a technique for dealing with
the confusing appearances of the heavens
Ptolemy then expanded on the original ideas of both his predecessors, Apollonius and Hipparchus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Perga
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=337188

Albert Timashev article entitled "Reconstruction of The Major Egyptian Years"
has this to say of Ptolemy:
"Today it is well known
that Greek scientist Claudius Ptolemy
was not a representative of a traditional Greek astrological school
and, most likely, he was never a practicing astrologer at all. Ptolemy's work Tetrabiblos reflects
his personal and sometimes disputable
opinions on many questions." http://www.astrologer.ru/article/mey.html.en
 
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