We will examine the timed horoscopes of people who have performed a specific act, in this case murder, and see if angular separation between certain points on the horoscope wheel occur by more than random chance. But there are several questions that have to be answered first.

Do we include soldiers and police officers who kill in the line of duty? How about someone who kills out of negligence, such as a drunk driver? How about an otherwise peaceful person who kills in self-defense? The problem here is one of motivation. Killing done deliberately (murder in the 1st or 2nd degree, or manslaughter, where there is an intent to injure) is different from that done accidentally (negligence) or where there is no other choice (self-defense or in time of war). This study will be limited to those who deliberately kill or who kill while intending to otherwise cause harm.

Research Article

While every horoscope shows a human being trying to fulfill himself, no horoscope says "murderer" or "war criminal". There are too many variables and judgements within the reality situation of any time of personal development; they cannot possibly be contained within the individual's horoscope or in mental anticipation. However, in suggesting the process of working to fulfill one's needs, the horoscope can uncover vulnerabilities that, in certain reality situations, may admit behaviors at value-levels different than the norm - Noel Tyl.

This sounds like an interesting topic.

I have the charts of individuals such as Dr Shipman on a forum I moderate elsewhere, or maybe you already have a list of birth data of killers?

Hi Nexus,

I am going to get round to studying more murderers. I worry about how many indicators there are for violence these days, nearly every Mars aspect gets implicated, and then any Pluto aspect can have it's own psychological problems with power, abuse, control etc. But what I am always wanting to know is are murderers born this way? Or is it the effect of the birth chart combined with the environment they are raised in. This is why it's gets difficult, and I will still study it, and keep a look out for more studies, and see if anything new has been revealed. I think most astrologers hit a brick wall with research studies, I know I have. I am in the middle of one small study, and I think I am onto a trait and then I realize all the participants in my study shared another similar criteria in their sexuality, I feel like pulling my hair out some days .

I read this article on mass shooting looking for different criteria and personality traits -

"In mass shootings, the killer is often killed themselves, so we don't really have the ability to interview and analyze them -- all you can really do is work off their behavior," says Neil S. Kaye, an assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. "The problem with that is that mass killers do this for multiple reasons, and even when you develop a profile of people at risk, 99 percent of them never go out and do anything bad."Some of the research tells us the obvious: About 95 percent of mass killers are men, they tend to be loners, they feel alienated. They look normal on the outside and are really, really angry inside."

Mass killers kill for multiple reasons, what astrologically are loners? Pluto aspects, or Saturn. The alienated feeling, could arise from different astrological combinations. Anger is why we run to Mars when looking at murderers, but we all have a Mars and we all don't go out on a killing spree. I have read the low boredom threshold for killers a few times, they get their adrenaline kicks from high violence. The list is romantic rejection, humiliation, paranoia. These traits would be analysed, but many people can match these personality traits and were not all murderers. There is something in "normal" people which doesn't lose all control, empathy, and morality.

I forgot to say before I got deep into thought, please post any charts you have to the group on killers. I would really appreciate it.

How do you get the birth time for killers?

Oh and you know what else.....I knew a guy (real passive, tame guy).. who had a twin brother that killed an old lady.

The evil twin, that does happen. Usually skeptics love to bring in the "twin thing" when debating astrology, and yes people with nearly identical charts don't have the same impulses. I saw a show once were one twin was anorexic, and the other wasn't. However her anorexia and nearly killing herself deeply affected the other twin too. Similar issues to confront in that way. I remember years ago, there were a set of twins in the newspaper who were both anorexic, and both died from the illness. You have given me a good idea Isis if I find those twins I will add the topic to the board. It's not always easy getting birth times for murderers, there is some data in Astrodatabank - and Kepler, or you can look on wikipedia. In some cases a birth date has to suffice.