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4leafclovah
01-25-2008, 09:13 PM
How do you know if you are experiencing emotional/spiritual healing? I know there is a certain amount of discomfort involved, but if you are feeling depressed how do you know if you are moving one step forwards or two steps backwards?

Lotus
01-25-2008, 09:28 PM
I know that I am healing when I can cry!

LoneStar
01-25-2008, 09:28 PM
Good question.

My question is: is the "cure" worse than the "disease"?

4leafclovah
01-25-2008, 09:41 PM
Good question.

My question is: is the "cure" worse than the "disease"?

No doubt. I have gradually been changing some things in my life. For the past few months I have been staying home and spending time alone because I thought this might help clear my mind and figure some things out, or have some great epiphany-No luck there. Now I am starting to wonder if I am not feeling worse than I did before. I have noticed in the past that the change of seasons will sometimes help with a shift of consciousness so maybe something will be revealed when spring hits and some of this planetary **** has settled..

LoneStar
01-25-2008, 10:44 PM
For the past few months I have been staying home and spending time alone because I thought this might help clear my mind and figure some things out, or have some great epiphany-No luck there.

~Ditto!~ Me too! Atleast we are not alone in choosing to be alone! I've been spending ALL of my time alone or with my roomate or very casually with a guy I've been seeing, but he comes to see me at my house!!! I just want to isolate.

Sometimes I think I am doing the right thing for myself by choosing to be alone and hermit this winter. And other times I KNOW it is just me isolating myself because I'm hurt and scared of people now. But I bet you garnered some wisdom in this time alone? I'm kinda new on this forum and I really hop on and read kinda randomly, so I don't know where you are at right now. (...?) I'll go read some other threads you posted and try to find your chart if its on here...?

I guess it just depends on the quality of your interactions with others. If they are not going to be healthy or gratifying, then in my opinion, it is better to be alone.

I do feel a little more "gathered" after my own hermitage this winter which is a good thing because I really fell apart at the seams this year. But then again, I am a Sun oppose Pluto type with Sun/Saturn/Neptune grand trine. The way that all works is that all I ever really want to do is hide myself. And retreat from the world. I can't even fight it. Its really strong. Its all about self-protection.

4leafclovah
01-25-2008, 11:26 PM
"But I bet you garnered some wisdom in this time alone?"

I'd like to say I have, but I'm not really feeling it. I guess I was getting sick of people and going out-it got old. It has been nice being alone and away from people(that part I enjoy) but I have been completely unproductive and have had a hard time finding the answers I am looking for in my life. No inspiration whatsoever! Its completely frustrating!! Hmm... maybe Mars IS the main culprit in all this.

pudinnpop
01-26-2008, 12:29 AM
I came across this article and these thread kinda remined me off it.I hope u guys enjoy it.


Symptoms During the Ascension Process

As we go through the process of spiritual awakening, our bodies, minds, and spirits need to be cleansed of any blocks or toxins that we have accumulated during our lifetime and that might will hinder our progress. This is called the "ascension process." The following information is appreciatively taken from Karen Bishop's web site at: http://whatsuponplanetearth.com/index.html (http://whatsuponplanetearth.com/index.html)

Know that although our evolutionary process is rapidly accelerating, along with the New higher vibrational energies, we are all experiencing these changes in our own way and in our own time, according to who we are and according to our coding and plan before birth. In addition, generally speaking, our ascension process relates to how we each run our own individual energy, and what our beliefs and experiences are (in other words, how we are wired and how we vibrate). These things can be changed and will also change automatically as we clear and embody more light within ourselves. For the highly sensitive, psychic and those very open to the higher realms, the ascension process can be a bit more challenging.

For me, all of my interesting and "strange" symptoms disappeared after I completely "arrived" in a higher realm . . . and they will for you as well. These symptoms seem to occur while we are going through the transition, or what I liken to the "tunnel". Know that there is an end, and an incredibly beautiful, peaceful and loved filled reality awaiting you. May your evolutionary process be joyous, peaceful and filled with light and wonder!

(Note: Of course, not all of these symptoms can be attributed to the ascension process. Please follow your own inner guidance and consult a health care professional as needed).

Feeling as though you are in a pressure cooker or in intense energy; feeling stress. Remember, you are adjusting to a higher vibration and you will eventually adjust. Old patterns, behaviors and beliefs are also being pushed to the surface. There is a lot going on inside of you!

A feeling of disorientation; not knowing where you are; a loss of a sense of place. You are not in 3D anymore, as you have moved or in the process of moving into the higher realms.

Unusual aches and pains throughout different parts of your body. You are purifying and releasing blocked energy vibrating at 3D while you are vibrating in a higher dimension.

Waking at night between 2 and 4 a.m. As you progress, waking at 5 a.m. Much is going on in your dream state. You can't be there for long lengths of time and need a break. This is also the "cleansing and releasing" hour.

Memory loss. Difficulty accessing words. A great abundance of short term memory loss and only vague remembrances of your past. You are in more than one dimension at a time, and going back and forth as part of the transition (you are experiencing a "disconnect"). Also, your past is part of the Old, and the Old is forever gone. Being in the Now is the way of the New World!

"Seeing" and "hearing" things. You are experiencing different dimenions as you transition, all according to how sensitive you are and how you are wired.

Loss of identity. You try to access the Old you, but it is no longer there. You may not know who you are looking at in the mirror! You have cleared much of your old patterns and are now embodying much more light and a simpler, more purified divine you. All is in order . . . you're OK.

Feeling "out of body". You may feel as though someone is talking, but it is not you. Our bodies are the last to catch up and are not in the same place as the rest of us. In addition, this phenomenon can also occur as it is our natural defense mechanism of survival when we are under acute stress or feeling traumatized or out of control. Your body is going through a lot and you may not want to be in it. At one point, my ascension guide told me that this was a way of easing the transition process, and that I did not need to experience what my body was going through.

Periods of deep sleeping. You are resting from all the acclimating and are integrating, as well as building up for the next phase.

Heightened sensitivities to your surroundings. Crowds, noise, foods, TV, other human voices and various other stimulations are barely tolerable. You also overwhelm very easily and become easily over-stimulated. You are tuning up! Know that this will eventually pass.

Dizziness, loss of balance, back and neck pain, ringing in the ears, "gritty" eyes, blurred vision (very common), insomnia, and heart palpitations with difficulty breathing (also very common), headaches.

Crying about anything, whether wonderful or sad.

Not remembering the meaning of anything. When I was in an intense period of the transitional process and we were in the throws of a substantial energy thrust into the higher realms, I remember looking at a trashcan and not knowing what it was for. I had to access my memory of the "old" and reach far. What was happening was that I was vibrating at a point where everything only possesses the meaning and identity that we give it. In the higher realms, energy is just energy with no label or meaning. All is fresh and new. Sort of a Course In Miracles undoing process, without the "trying".

Difficulty in remembering what you did or who you talked to a day or sometimes just an hour before. In the higher realms, reality is very much in the moment. If we do not hold something in our consciousness, it simply ceases to exist. We have no attachments. We are creating our own world around us through our beliefs and thoughts and what we do not "hold onto" does not exist. Everything is brand new as we are starting completely over, moment to moment. We can tap into whatever we choose to at any moment and create and experience just that. This state comes and goes, but is practice for living in the higher realms. It can feel a bit creepy when it occurs.

You don't feel like doing anything. You are in a rest period, "rebooting". Your body knows what it needs. In addition, when you begin reaching the higher realms, "doing" and "making things happen" becomes obsolete as the New energies support the feminine of basking, receiving, creating, self-care and nurturing. Ask the Universe to "bring" you what you want while you are enjoying yourself and having fun!

An intolerance for lower vibrational things (of the 3D) reflected in conversations, attitudes, societal structures, healing modalities, etc. They literally make you feel "sick" inside. You are in a higher vibration and your energies are no longer in alignment. You are being "pushed" to move forward.....to "be" and create the New. In addition, you may feel like staying home or just being alone as much of everything "out there" no longer matches the higher vibration of YOU.

A loss of desire for food. Your body is adjusting to a new, higher state of being. Also, part of you does not want to be here anymore in the Old.

Waking at night between 2 and 4 a.m. As you progress, waking at 5 a.m. Much is going on in your dream state. You can't be there for long lengths of time and need a break. This is also the "cleansing and releasing" hour.

A sudden disappearance of friends, activities, habits, jobs and residences. You are evolving beyond what you used to be, and these people and surroundings no longer match your vibration. The New will soon arrive and feel so-o-o-o much better!

You absolutely cannot do certain things anymore. When you try to do your usual routine and activities, it feels downright awful. Same as above.

Days of extreme fatigue. Your body is losing density and going through intense restructuring.

A need to eat often along with what feels like attacks of low blood sugar. Weight gain (especially in the abdominal area). A craving for protein. You are requiring an enormous amount of fuel for this ascension process. Weight gain with an inablilty to loose it no matter what you do is one of the most typical experiences. Trust that your body knows what it is doing.

(Note: The body seems to need this extra weight for processing and holding these New higher vibrations. In addition, the liver goes on overdrive as it is rapidly processing and detoxing. An overtaxed liver can lead to abdominal weight gain and frequent waking around 3 a.m. (the liver hour in oriental medicine). Liver supports that can be helpful are milk thistle, casual walks, breathing and trusting in the future.)

Experiencing emotional ups and downs; weeping. Our emotions are our outlet for release, and we are releasing a lot.

A wanting to go Home, as if everything is OVER and you don't belong here anymore. We are returning to Source. Everything IS over. (But many of us are staying to experience and create the New World). Also, our old plans for coming have been completed.

Feeling you are going insane, or must be developing a mental illness of some sort. You are rapidly experiencing several dimensions and greatly opening. Much is available to you now. You are just not used to it. Your awareness has been heightened and your barriers are gone. This will pass and you will eventually feel very at Home like you have never felt before, as Home is now here.

Anxiety and panic and feelings of hysteria. Your ego is losing much of itself and is afraid. It may feel as if everything is ending (most of everything is!).Your system is also on overload. Things are happening to you that you may not understand. You are also losing behavior patterns of a lower vibration that you developed for survival in 3D. This may make you feel vulnerable and powerless. These patterns and behaviors you are losing are not needed in the higher realms. This will pass and you will eventually feel so much love, safety and unity. Just wait!

Depression. The outer world may not be in alignment with the New, higher vibrational you. It doesn't feel so good out there. You are also releasing lower, darker energies and you are "seeing" through them. Hang in there!

Vivid, wild and sometimes violent dreams. You are releasing many, many lifetimes of lower vibrational energy. Many are now reporting that they are experiencing beautiful dreams. Your dreamstate will eventually improve and you will enjoy it again. Some experience this releasing while awake. My mother commented one day that she believed I was having nightmares in the daytime!

Night sweats and hot flashes. Your body is "heating" up as it burns off residue.

Your plans suddenly change in mid-stream and go in a completely different direction. Your soul is balancing out your energy. It usually feels GREAT in this new direction, as your soul knows more than you do! It is breaking your "rut" choices and vibration.

You have created a situation that seems like your worst nightmare, with many "worst nightmare" aspects to it. Your soul is guiding you into "stretching" into aspects of yourself where you were lacking, or into "toning down" aspects where you had an overabundance. Your energy is just balancing itself. Finding your way to peace through this situation is the test you have set up for yourself. This is YOUR journey, and your soul would not have set it up if you weren't ready. You are the one who finds your way out and you will. Looking back, you will have gratitude for the experience and be a different person.

For a longer list of additional symptoms:
http://www.sunfell.com/symptoms.htm (http://www.sunfell.com/symptoms.htm)




I wonder what planets would be involved with he process.Aplogies if this post is too long to read.

Astrocurious
01-26-2008, 01:02 AM
I came across this article and these thread kinda remined me off it.I hope u guys enjoy it.


Symptoms During the Ascension Process

As we go through the process of spiritual awakening, our bodies, minds, and spirits need to be cleansed of any blocks or toxins that we have accumulated during our lifetime and that might will hinder our progress. This is called the "ascension process." The following information is appreciatively taken from Karen Bishop's web site at: http://whatsuponplanetearth.com/index.html (http://whatsuponplanetearth.com/index.html)

Know that although our evolutionary process is rapidly accelerating, along with the New higher vibrational energies, we are all experiencing these changes in our own way and in our own time, according to who we are and according to our coding and plan before birth. In addition, generally speaking, our ascension process relates to how we each run our own individual energy, and what our beliefs and experiences are (in other words, how we are wired and how we vibrate). These things can be changed and will also change automatically as we clear and embody more light within ourselves. For the highly sensitive, psychic and those very open to the higher realms, the ascension process can be a bit more challenging.

For me, all of my interesting and "strange" symptoms disappeared after I completely "arrived" in a higher realm . . . and they will for you as well. These symptoms seem to occur while we are going through the transition, or what I liken to the "tunnel". Know that there is an end, and an incredibly beautiful, peaceful and loved filled reality awaiting you. May your evolutionary process be joyous, peaceful and filled with light and wonder!

(Note: Of course, not all of these symptoms can be attributed to the ascension process. Please follow your own inner guidance and consult a health care professional as needed).

Feeling as though you are in a pressure cooker or in intense energy; feeling stress. Remember, you are adjusting to a higher vibration and you will eventually adjust. Old patterns, behaviors and beliefs are also being pushed to the surface. There is a lot going on inside of you!

A feeling of disorientation; not knowing where you are; a loss of a sense of place. You are not in 3D anymore, as you have moved or in the process of moving into the higher realms.

Unusual aches and pains throughout different parts of your body. You are purifying and releasing blocked energy vibrating at 3D while you are vibrating in a higher dimension.

Waking at night between 2 and 4 a.m. As you progress, waking at 5 a.m. Much is going on in your dream state. You can't be there for long lengths of time and need a break. This is also the "cleansing and releasing" hour.

Memory loss. Difficulty accessing words. A great abundance of short term memory loss and only vague remembrances of your past. You are in more than one dimension at a time, and going back and forth as part of the transition (you are experiencing a "disconnect"). Also, your past is part of the Old, and the Old is forever gone. Being in the Now is the way of the New World!

"Seeing" and "hearing" things. You are experiencing different dimenions as you transition, all according to how sensitive you are and how you are wired.

Loss of identity. You try to access the Old you, but it is no longer there. You may not know who you are looking at in the mirror! You have cleared much of your old patterns and are now embodying much more light and a simpler, more purified divine you. All is in order . . . you're OK.

Feeling "out of body". You may feel as though someone is talking, but it is not you. Our bodies are the last to catch up and are not in the same place as the rest of us. In addition, this phenomenon can also occur as it is our natural defense mechanism of survival when we are under acute stress or feeling traumatized or out of control. Your body is going through a lot and you may not want to be in it. At one point, my ascension guide told me that this was a way of easing the transition process, and that I did not need to experience what my body was going through.

Periods of deep sleeping. You are resting from all the acclimating and are integrating, as well as building up for the next phase.

Heightened sensitivities to your surroundings. Crowds, noise, foods, TV, other human voices and various other stimulations are barely tolerable. You also overwhelm very easily and become easily over-stimulated. You are tuning up! Know that this will eventually pass.

Dizziness, loss of balance, back and neck pain, ringing in the ears, "gritty" eyes, blurred vision (very common), insomnia, and heart palpitations with difficulty breathing (also very common), headaches.

Crying about anything, whether wonderful or sad.

Not remembering the meaning of anything. When I was in an intense period of the transitional process and we were in the throws of a substantial energy thrust into the higher realms, I remember looking at a trashcan and not knowing what it was for. I had to access my memory of the "old" and reach far. What was happening was that I was vibrating at a point where everything only possesses the meaning and identity that we give it. In the higher realms, energy is just energy with no label or meaning. All is fresh and new. Sort of a Course In Miracles undoing process, without the "trying".

Difficulty in remembering what you did or who you talked to a day or sometimes just an hour before. In the higher realms, reality is very much in the moment. If we do not hold something in our consciousness, it simply ceases to exist. We have no attachments. We are creating our own world around us through our beliefs and thoughts and what we do not "hold onto" does not exist. Everything is brand new as we are starting completely over, moment to moment. We can tap into whatever we choose to at any moment and create and experience just that. This state comes and goes, but is practice for living in the higher realms. It can feel a bit creepy when it occurs.

You don't feel like doing anything. You are in a rest period, "rebooting". Your body knows what it needs. In addition, when you begin reaching the higher realms, "doing" and "making things happen" becomes obsolete as the New energies support the feminine of basking, receiving, creating, self-care and nurturing. Ask the Universe to "bring" you what you want while you are enjoying yourself and having fun!

An intolerance for lower vibrational things (of the 3D) reflected in conversations, attitudes, societal structures, healing modalities, etc. They literally make you feel "sick" inside. You are in a higher vibration and your energies are no longer in alignment. You are being "pushed" to move forward.....to "be" and create the New. In addition, you may feel like staying home or just being alone as much of everything "out there" no longer matches the higher vibration of YOU.

A loss of desire for food. Your body is adjusting to a new, higher state of being. Also, part of you does not want to be here anymore in the Old.

Waking at night between 2 and 4 a.m. As you progress, waking at 5 a.m. Much is going on in your dream state. You can't be there for long lengths of time and need a break. This is also the "cleansing and releasing" hour.

A sudden disappearance of friends, activities, habits, jobs and residences. You are evolving beyond what you used to be, and these people and surroundings no longer match your vibration. The New will soon arrive and feel so-o-o-o much better!

You absolutely cannot do certain things anymore. When you try to do your usual routine and activities, it feels downright awful. Same as above.

Days of extreme fatigue. Your body is losing density and going through intense restructuring.

A need to eat often along with what feels like attacks of low blood sugar. Weight gain (especially in the abdominal area). A craving for protein. You are requiring an enormous amount of fuel for this ascension process. Weight gain with an inablilty to loose it no matter what you do is one of the most typical experiences. Trust that your body knows what it is doing.

(Note: The body seems to need this extra weight for processing and holding these New higher vibrations. In addition, the liver goes on overdrive as it is rapidly processing and detoxing. An overtaxed liver can lead to abdominal weight gain and frequent waking around 3 a.m. (the liver hour in oriental medicine). Liver supports that can be helpful are milk thistle, casual walks, breathing and trusting in the future.)

Experiencing emotional ups and downs; weeping. Our emotions are our outlet for release, and we are releasing a lot.

A wanting to go Home, as if everything is OVER and you don't belong here anymore. We are returning to Source. Everything IS over. (But many of us are staying to experience and create the New World). Also, our old plans for coming have been completed.

Feeling you are going insane, or must be developing a mental illness of some sort. You are rapidly experiencing several dimensions and greatly opening. Much is available to you now. You are just not used to it. Your awareness has been heightened and your barriers are gone. This will pass and you will eventually feel very at Home like you have never felt before, as Home is now here.

Anxiety and panic and feelings of hysteria. Your ego is losing much of itself and is afraid. It may feel as if everything is ending (most of everything is!).Your system is also on overload. Things are happening to you that you may not understand. You are also losing behavior patterns of a lower vibration that you developed for survival in 3D. This may make you feel vulnerable and powerless. These patterns and behaviors you are losing are not needed in the higher realms. This will pass and you will eventually feel so much love, safety and unity. Just wait!

Depression. The outer world may not be in alignment with the New, higher vibrational you. It doesn't feel so good out there. You are also releasing lower, darker energies and you are "seeing" through them. Hang in there!

Vivid, wild and sometimes violent dreams. You are releasing many, many lifetimes of lower vibrational energy. Many are now reporting that they are experiencing beautiful dreams. Your dreamstate will eventually improve and you will enjoy it again. Some experience this releasing while awake. My mother commented one day that she believed I was having nightmares in the daytime!

Night sweats and hot flashes. Your body is "heating" up as it burns off residue.

Your plans suddenly change in mid-stream and go in a completely different direction. Your soul is balancing out your energy. It usually feels GREAT in this new direction, as your soul knows more than you do! It is breaking your "rut" choices and vibration.

You have created a situation that seems like your worst nightmare, with many "worst nightmare" aspects to it. Your soul is guiding you into "stretching" into aspects of yourself where you were lacking, or into "toning down" aspects where you had an overabundance. Your energy is just balancing itself. Finding your way to peace through this situation is the test you have set up for yourself. This is YOUR journey, and your soul would not have set it up if you weren't ready. You are the one who finds your way out and you will. Looking back, you will have gratitude for the experience and be a different person.

For a longer list of additional symptoms:
http://www.sunfell.com/symptoms.htm (http://www.sunfell.com/symptoms.htm)




I wonder what planets would be involved with he process.Aplogies if this post is too long to read.
Interesting read, thank you.

flea
01-26-2008, 01:23 AM
I know I am healing when I dont beat myself up over silly things, when I am more accepting of where ever I am in life, and can find beauty at even the more difficult and inappropriate of times.

Love Light Flea

4leafclovah
01-26-2008, 01:44 AM
Pudinnpop..thanks,that was a great article. Actually, I can relate to alot of things they mentioned.Hmmm, maybe some of the discomfort I am going through is my initiation into a new realm. About 4 months ago I had two very interesting dreams that I thought might be signaling something new coming into my life. They had a very "otherworldly" feeling to them and I was seeing things that I had never seen before. They were beautiful dreams, but a bit scary because they were so powerful. These dreams occured when Mercury was approaching N. Uranus at the IC. After that I didn't have anymore dreams like that, But a few days ago I was having a hard time sleeping and I saw this crack of light come from the corner of my eyes( which were barely open) and it was almost like someone had opened up a curtain to show me something.I remember seeing people or things moving around and bright colors, but it was blurred. It was the same feeling I had in the dreams I mentioned, but this was a very quick flash. If what I am experiencing is a transition into other dimensions then I am only getting flashes here and there. I am not sure this is what is happening, but I have no other explanation for the feelings that I have been getting during these moments.

pudinnpop
01-26-2008, 03:10 AM
Your very welcome:)

Natasha
01-26-2008, 03:16 AM
very positive thread.
Yes we learn to look at our shadow and not hate ourselves or pretend its someone else who is the problem
but not be afraid to own our stuff and know that we are not expected to be perfect because we have incarnated to learn about our stuff

Outer planet transits give us huge opportunities to learn about ourselves & look inward so our outer life is more joyful and harmonious

Also learning forgiveness of ourselves and others including family of origin - for like them we were doing the best we could with the knowledge and experiance we had at the time

smilingsteph
01-26-2008, 06:53 PM
I know I am healing when:
I give forgiveness
and
I ask for forgiveness

Neptune Rising
01-26-2008, 11:41 PM
Nice thing to think about.

I now think every day is a healing experience. Every encounter seems to involve healing, whether with another human, or a plant, tree, a pet, even a semi precoius crystal.

I think when my energy/attention is focused on stillness/calmess/the breath, that feels like healing energy.

When I slow down and appreciate the moment I am in, I experience healing energy.


NR

Frisiangal
01-27-2008, 10:40 AM
Haven't seen anyone mention the effect of Chiron, the planetoid that follows Saturn (depression and supression) and makes you face the pain that causes it, that thereby produces the breakthrough of self-healing that enables Uranus to look at things from another perspective.
If there are harsh transits/progressions to natal Chiron, the very circumstances are surely going to bring the 'inner pain' into focus.....'salt in the wound' type of thing? Transits from Chiron to natal planets would strike me as offering opportunity to use the natal qualities to their best advantage, which would automatically lead to self-healing ?


Frisiangal