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amaranthinefall
08-29-2014, 11:42 PM
Are there are any traditional sources dealing with the possible modality of the planets? I'm bothered by the fact that planets and signs both have a gender/sect and elemental quality, but only signs get modality. Why?

I would say that the hot planets are cardinal, the cold fixed, and Mercury mutable. Would it be useful to think of the planets in this way, and to take it into account in delineation?

Kaiousei no Senshi
08-30-2014, 05:31 PM
The modality of the signs are related to the seasonal condition surrounding the time of year when the Sun is located within that sign. Cardinal/Moveable signs initiate seasons, Fixed signs maintain them, and Mutable/Common signs change them so that qualities of both seasons are being expressed at the same time. So, there isn't really a good parallel with planets as they aren't really linked to seasonal fluctuation or periods like the signs are.

However, the only thing that I would think could be considered somewhat similar to modality of the planets is going to be planetary speed. The swifter planets are going to be more cardinal, the middle speed are more mutable, and the slower planets are more fixed. This will mostly come to use in timing techniques.

Konrad
08-30-2014, 06:09 PM
I'd say that on some level modality is similar to being angular/succeedent/cadent and that is a condition which a planet finds itself in, not one that it holds inherently.

amaranthinefall
08-30-2014, 07:17 PM
I guess I can live with that. Ugh. :P

Kai, would you mind giving the planetary speeds for reference? And what timing techniques are you referring to?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess Moon and Mercury cardinal, Venus, Sun, and Mars mutable, and Jupiter and Saturn fixed... Am I close?

amaranthinefall
08-30-2014, 07:29 PM
Konrad, yes, I'm trying to get a better idea of the essential nature of the planets, besides their specific significations, and was hoping that somehow the planets had a categorical attribute equivalent to modality. It is important to keep separate essential and accidental natures, though, so thank you for the reminder.

JUPITERASC
08-30-2014, 07:32 PM
I guess I can live with that. Ugh. :P

Kai, would you mind giving the planetary speeds for reference? And what timing techniques are you referring to?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess Moon and Mercury cardinal, Venus, Sun, and Mars mutable, and Jupiter and Saturn fixed... Am I close?

A simple google search reveals Orbital Velocity of Planets
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/pgifs/Planetvelocity.GIF


for a Table: Daily Motion of Planets http://www.auxmaillesgodefroy.com/planet_speeds :smile:

HBK
02-07-2015, 03:48 AM
However, the only thing that I would think could be considered somewhat similar to modality of the planets is going to be planetary speed. The swifter planets are going to be more cardinal, the middle speed are more mutable, and the slower planets are more fixed. This will mostly come to use in timing techniques.


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