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HoldOrFold
07-07-2014, 06:06 PM
I'm trying to wrap my head around term rulers, but I can't quite figure it out.

So I believe that terms mean that each sign has planets which rule over a certain range of degrees.

What I can't figure out is how to read a table of terms. Like in the following chart how do I read it?

At first I thought that it must be saying for example that Jupiter is the term ruler of 0-6 degrees of Aries, but then what does Venus 6(12) mean, why are there brackets and why are Mars and Saturn both on 5 degrees for Aries for example?

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/im/09/egypt_terms.gif

Konrad
07-07-2014, 06:13 PM
The brackets show the total number of degrees met so far, while the unbracketed number lists the number of degrees that the individual planet rules. In that example, Jupiter rules the first 6 degrees of Aries, Venus the next 6 degrees which gives 12 in total.

The following image is probably easier to read:

http://altairastrology.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/egyptian_terms.png?w=584

http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/more-on-the-terms-or-bounds/

HoldOrFold
07-07-2014, 07:05 PM
Thanks, Konrad. Now I can see that I feel a bit silly for missing it because it's quite obvious!

Konrad
07-07-2014, 08:56 PM
Everything in hindsight usually is. It can be overwhelming starting this study, so sometimes the simple things look like they must be much more complex than they are.

HoldOrFold
07-08-2014, 12:30 AM
Just to double check something... on Skyscript, where I was reading about terms on this page here: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.html

It says "For example, Saturn is in detriment in Leo, yet if it is in the first 6 degrees it is in its own terms so this overall condition of weakness is somewhat alleviated."

When I look at the chart, I see that the first 6 degrees of Leo is ruled by Jupiter, so is the above quote incorrect?

Drsendero
07-08-2014, 01:01 AM
Hello,
There are several different versions of the terms. The chart you are looking at on Skyscript and the one that Konrad provided are the "Egyptian Terms." Ptolemy claimed to have found an old manuscript with a different set of terms, these are now called "Ptolemaic Terms" and this set has Saturn in the first 6 degrees of Leo. Apparently, the text you mention is referring to the Ptolemaic terms. There are other differences between the two systems. Lilly and many other astrologers around his time used the Ptolemaic terms, but most astrologers (apparently) use the Egyptian terms.

tsmall
07-08-2014, 01:06 AM
Just to double check something... on Skyscript, where I was reading about terms on this page here: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.html

It says "For example, Saturn is in detriment in Leo, yet if it is in the first 6 degrees it is in its own terms so this overall condition of weakness is somewhat alleviated."

When I look at the chart, I see that the first 6 degrees of Leo is ruled by Jupiter, so is the above quote incorrect?

That's actually funny. What is left out of the tutorial, or at least not made clear, is that the table shown at that link is for the Egyptian terms (as a side note, Egyptian terms are the ones use most commonly by traditional astrologers today) but the article references Ptolomey's terms. Hence the discrepancy. In order to make the sentence match the table given...well. I think you can go see which degrees of Leo according to Egyptian terms belong to Saturn?

HoldOrFold
07-08-2014, 09:25 AM
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

I'd be more inclined to use the Egyptian. Mainly because I've noticed that transits to my natal Jupiter in Capricorn are always pretty overt and positive in reality despite it being in fall not having much dignity except being in a dinural chart and being in its own terms according to the Egyptian terms (11 degrees of Cap).