Russia & China , the new Super Power?

Inline

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While Europe was furiously scrambling to find alternative sources of energy (solar, wind & wave) should Russia pull out on its natural gas exports to Germany and Europe……

The announcement of the "Holy Grail" energy deal yesterday, with none other than Russia and China, sent geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bound the two nations into a commodity-based super power...!

With the west doing all it could to alienate Russia and to force it into China's arms, Gazprom and China announced that the two nations have signed a 30 year gas contract, amounting to around $400 billion.

Jamie Robertson, BBC news
[FONT=&quot]The gas deal between Russia and China was signed at 04:00 China time, which gives some indication of the level of urgency over these talks. Mr Putin appears to have been determined not to leave Shanghai without a deal - and he got one….”[/FONT]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27503017

Attached the chart of the new Super Power signing, in Shanghai at 4am, China time. Included asteroids Europe, Russia, China and America.What’s notable is Europa conjunct the SN, Venus & Uranus in the 12th house…
 

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Russia and China signing, what is being called “the gas deal of the century” has huge implications for the future of the U.S. economy....but the mainstream media, CNN for example, is being strangely quiet...:whistling:

The truth is that this new agreement between Russia and China is huge.

In the USA, the current standard of living is extremely dependent on the rest of the world continuing to use US currency to trade with one another.....but if Russia starts selling natural gas to China without the U.S. dollar being involved, that would be a monumental blow to the petrodollar:
http://www.tatoott1009.com/2014/05/...-blow-to-petrodollar-goodby-to-the-us-dollar/

What's interesting though, looking at the chart above - the America asteroid is placed in affluent Taurus, in the fortunate 1st house and trine Libra NN....is it possible that this new super economy will have positive repercushions for the US? Is it possible that Russia & China do decide for some reason, to continue trading using the dollar....?
 
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dr. farr

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China will continue to trade the US $$-they have TOO many of them, to devalue the $ by substituting some new international base currency. The US (and indeed Western Europe) "opponent" in all of this, is not China-its Russia: Russia is being squeezed between Western Europe, the US on one side, and China on the other: this gas deal has bought Russia a temporary respite, but for how long, is an open question.
 

Inline

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China will continue to trade the US $$-they have TOO many of them, to devalue the $ by substituting some new international base currency. The US (and indeed Western Europe) "opponent" in all of this, is not China-its Russia...

Ja, i was thinking about this too, when...

Synchronicity…. reading a news article about Prince Charles comparing Putin to Hitler and wondering why, such a strong reaction to the deal? The photo in the article had Prince Charles and Canadian mounties standing together…are they involved? I remembered that Canada had plans to build a pipeline to sell its gas to China too... but probably they won’t have to, now…?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/22/us-britain-putin-prince-idUSBREA4L0K420140522

So, i added the Calgary asteroid to the chart to see what's up....it’s in royal Leo, in the 4th house, conjunct the POF squaring Russia...

Maybe, Canada will end up supplying their gas to the States after all, and that’s why the States prospers from the deal in the end?
 

Inline

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[FONT=&quot]Here some interesting predictions from other threads.....[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]AW Thread: China & Europe? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paul @ Solaris Astrology [/FONT][FONT=&quot]asked...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Posted: March 11th, 2011 [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Has anyone on this forum looked at the relationship between the European Union and China? Very interesting... [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I looked as part of a new post on my site as Europe looks as if it is going to the Chinese to try to fund their way out of the Greek debt crisis and found some very revealing planetary placements...[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]CapAquaPis [/FONT][FONT=&quot]answered...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Posted: Jan. 16th 2012[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Not just the Chinese, or Japan, India and the Middle east (the Eurabian plan), the proposed Eurasian Union to combine the EU with the former USSR/ CIS member states such as Russia is currently discussed.......and the international implications and ramifications of a combined Euro-Russian-Chinese-Indian-Arab/Islamo superstate can have on the US economy.
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[FONT=&quot]AW Thread: April 23 2014 Grand Cross[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lorieno [/FONT][FONT=&quot]answered:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Posted: Dec. 30 2011[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The grand cross chart will be strongly aspecting the chart of :
* Spain which has venus 13° libra and Moon 11 cancer
* Greece's Saturn 14° aries
* Portugal's Sun 8 cancer and of course
* USA Asc Sag chart of Jul 4th 1776 with Sun 13 cancer and Saturn 14 libra[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Some other country's chart seem to be triggered in a more positive way by this chart: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Russia, China, Switzerland, Australia and Sweden, Malta, Argentina, Brazil, India, Norway for instance......[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Piercethevale [/FONT][FONT=&quot]answered….[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Posted: May 26, 2012[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Well, I determine the the USAs' natal chart Part of Increase and Benefits to be at 14* Aries 37' 23"
Uranus conj. it will bring about change and awareness of the $$$ affairs of this nation. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pluto and Jupiter in 'T' square to it will bring transformation based on addressing what will benefit all not just some of the populace. Mars at the other end of this cross will ensure action in this affect....[/FONT]

What's interesting is how these predictions appear to be coming true...but not in the way anyone could have imagined...it appears that the events chart above may also be pointing to an economic Russia + China with USA cooperation....?

The gas deal will lead to a future of ++wealth & prosperity for Russia's economy and China's industry. And, China's plan of fullfilling its dream to build a 'bullet train' to the US may come of fruition.

here the link:
http://www.examiner.com/article/chi...train-to-united-states-just-don-t-tell-canada

It looks like the loser, of the Grand Cross fall-out, appears to be Canada...
 

Marinka

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If you look at the individual charts for China and Russia, it was a deal that Russia had to make and as a result, it was a contract that fell into China's lap. So, I'm not making much of it at this time from a Mundane perspective.

China also has a way of renegotiating contracts that usually leaves the supplier in the lurch as this has been done previously with it's coal suppliers - so maybe this is not a very stable contract for Russia in the long run. I do find it interesting that the pipeline will be built by China and I think the progress of that bears watching over the next 2 or so years.

 

grace30

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China is certainly becoming the new super power. Russia less so, but if they continue to align themselves with China (which they will for as long as its beneficial to them), they will continue to increase in economic importance.

I'm an economics major, studying a Bachelors of Global Business. I'm also Australian, which gives me a somewhat unique perspective (on the internet, at least) of the global economy because I have no educational or personal bias.

What I have learnt:

1. In 1963, the US accounted for 40.3% of world output. By 2011, the US accounted for 19.1% of world output. The US is still the biggest industrial power, but it is down significantly.

2. The US position as the world's leading exporter is threatened.

3. In terms of GDP output, in 2011, the US and China were tied at 9.4% of global exports.

4. China is set to move from Third World to industrial superpower status within two decades.

5. If China continues to grow at current rates, which average nearly double the rate of US economic growth, China's economy will be larger than that of the US economy by 2017.
 

JUPITERASC

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For the first time since the war in Ukraine started
Putin and Xi are meeting to advance a new international currency
based on their country's commodities and resources.

This is an absolute world changing moment. :)



Remember what happened to Gaddafi when he wanted to introduce the Dinar

If Russia and China introduces a real backed currency we are in all deep trouble,
for the gig will be up. It won't be so easy this time in remedying the situation.


In addition it will thwart the newly crowned kings ambitions towards forming the "...great reset.. "

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JUPITERASC

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Russia already announced they about to start accepting Bitcoin as a payment for oil and gas!! :)
The dollar's imminent collapse is self inflicted
Some parts of Africa will be using the new currency

Dollar is Dying




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JUPITERASC

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Ghaddafi wanted to create an independent currency for Africa
and this was his death sentence. If he had built up cooperation with Russia and China

this might have saved his life.


China is opening some banks in Africa - unconfirmed
but Chinese have been working on this for a while :)


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JUPITERASC

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recent developments & challenges
concerning the US dollar hegemony
& its impact on the global economy.

The appointment of Andrea Gacki as the Director of FinCEN by the US Department of the Treasury
signals a potential strengthening of the defense of the US dollar hegemony
through financial sanctions
&
restrictive measures
against non-conforming economies :)



However,
such actions have faced growing scrutiny
& opposition worldwide

especially from China,
a significant holder of US Treasury bonds

&
the world's second-largest economy.



US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen acknowledges the limits of financial sanctions
and the potential consequences of China selling its US Treasury bonds
.

The rise of de-dollarization movements in various countries across Asia, Africa, & Latin America
challenges the US dollar's singular role in the global economy.

Countries are exploring various strategies to reduce their dependence on the US dollar
such as increasing gold reserves
signing currency swap agreements
& conducting transactions in non-dollar currencies like the Chinese yuan.

This trend poses challenges to the US economy

which has relied on the profitability of petrodollars and US Treasury bonds.

The US's credibility :)
& the reliability of the US dollar
as a global reserve currency
have been questioned

leading over 121 countries to take steps
towards de-dollarization.



The repatriation of gold reserves from various countries
further highlights the shifting dynamics in the global financial landscape.

China's significant holdings of US Treasury bonds
&
its role as a major commodity & oil importer
give it the potential to impact the petrodollar and US Treasury bonds.

The US Congress has warned
of the possibility of China selling a substantial amount of its US Treasury bonds.
The US economy faces the challenge of adapting its financial and economic strategies
in response to the growing global scrutiny
and challenges to the US dollar hegemony.

Embracing cooperation and promoting a balanced and diversified global economic order
can lead to a more just and sustainable future for the global economy.




SEIZING China's GOLD is OFF-LIMITS!


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DC80

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In the USA, the current standard of living is extremely dependent on the rest of the world continuing to use US currency to trade with one another.....but if Russia starts selling natural gas to China without the U.S. dollar being involved, that would be a monumental blow to the petrodollar:
Yes, that's true. There are many ignorant people out there who have no understanding of anything. They tip their hand showing their ignorance by mentioning the Weimar Republic, Zimbabwe, and Venezuela.

Those are closed systems. In a closed system, the value of the currency is a function of the money supply and domestic GDP. What I'm talking about here is monetary inflation and monetary deflation. When the money supply exceeds the domestic GDP then prices rise because the currency is worth less. Understand we aren't talking about the value of the currency relative to other currencies, we're talking about the value of the currency related to domestic GDP. Some people phrase it as "Too many dollars chasing too few goods." That isn't really accurate, but I'll take it.

In addition to being closed systems, none of the currencies of those three countries were international reserve currencies or international currencies of trade. In fact, you can't trade anything on the global market in Zimbabwean or Venezuelan Dollars. Because they were closed systems, none of those countries were able to monetize their debt.

In stark contrast (and so a logical fallacy to even attempt to equate the US to those three countries or any other), the US is an open system. The US Dollar is an international reserve currency and currency of trade. The US monetizes its debt as marketable interest-bearing treasury securities and critical point is that we're looking at the money supply versus domestic GDP + global GDP.

Global GDP consists of all global transactions taking place in US Dollars.

No one hates Hiden more than I do, but he is not responsible for the current "inflation" in the US. In fact, there is no monetary inflation. What Americans have been experiencing is demand-pull inflation stemming from supply chain issues resulting from the fact that US governors stupidly shut down their economies during STUPID-19. Yes, you can stop an economy on a dime just by flipping a switch, but you cannot restart the economy by simply flipping a switch.

In addition to localized wage inflation due to a shortage of workers which drives up prices (especially rents) there is cost-push inflation caused by higher than normal oil and natural gas prices and costs incurred by companies related to STUPID-19 prevention and mitigation (higher sanitation, maintenance, cleaning costs passed onto consumers).

Fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides, all made from natural gas cost more, plus diesel costs more so crop prices go up, and they go up more getting transported to processing facilities and then go up more getting transported to warehouse/distribution centers, and then go up more getting transported to grocery stores. The consumers bear the costs.

My sister works for Total Quality Logistics and talks to truck drivers all day long. Truckers have two economies: a tight economy, and a loose economy.

In a loose economy, there are more truckers than there are goods and so sellers/producers set the price of transporting goods. It has been and still is a tight economy ever since the STUPID-19 restrictions ended and there are more goods than there are truckers and so truckers set the price of transporting goods. Either you pay the price truckers demand, or your goods sit collecting dust until you find one willing to transport at your price.

Supply chain issues are slowly being resolved, but there are still two major issues on the borders. Canada requires a CDC vaccination card and the majority of US truckers refuse to get vaccinated so all those cars and car parts made in Canada are sitting there which is why many car dealers in the US have no new car inventory. On the southern border, there's a back log because all trucks are now searched or at least examined because of the deaths of illegal immigrants entering in a semi-trailer and being left in the desert to die. The biased media blamed Governor Abbott even though he is constitutionally and statutorily barred from enforcing border security.

The goal of the US is to enforce the use of the US Dollar as the global trade currency which is why the conflicts in Yugoslavia, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine happened/are happening.

Any major decline in global transactions of US Dollars will result in monetary inflation because it is money supply versus domestic GDP + global GDP.

That issue is heightened because of the looming disaster in Europe. Save Britain, none of the European countries can afford to pay their pension and healthcare programs through 2045. Italy is the basket case at 300% of GDP. Germany is 260%-285% of GDP (depending on the source and one is the European Central Bank). France is about 135% of GDP. No level of taxation will pay for those programs so those countries will have to enact steep cuts. Sweden is already privatizing its national healthcare system (national healthcare in the US is constitutionally barred but universal healthcare is not). France slashed pensions from 50% of wages to 37.5% of wages, then raised the number of years of required work to 42 (43 for those born after 1973 and note it is only 35 years in the US), and then implemented penalty reductions in pensions if retiring before full-retirement age.

France will have to cut pensions again to 32.5% and may end up cutting them to 28.5% in order to be able to pay for them.

Juxtapose that against US federal debt which is 1/3rd of Global GDP. By 2040, US federal debt will be close to or more than 50% of Global GDP.

Of the 200 countries on Earth, only 32-36 have the financial means to purchase US treasury securities.

Is the British government going to tell Brits, "Hey, you have to live in tents and eat porridge so's we can use all our GDP to buy US debt?"

No. No country will do that. How can France, Italy, and Germany tell their people, "Hey, we have to raise taxes and cut your pensions and healthcare so's we can buy US debt." That will go over like a lead zeppelin.

The European countries that hold US debt will be cashing in their treasury securities to pay for pensions and healthcare and that, coupled with declining use of the US Dollar will spell economic ruin for the US. The standard of living will decline and Americans will have to make choices they haven't had to make for 50 or 60 years. It will not be pretty.
 

DC80

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What I have learnt:

1. In 1963, the US accounted for 40.3% of world output. By 2011, the US accounted for 19.1% of world output. The US is still the biggest industrial power, but it is down significantly.

2. The US position as the world's leading exporter is threatened.
The US as well as Britain survived by oppressing others. They meddled and interfered in the political, social, and economic development of countries, most notably in sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and South America.

The reason the US hates China is because China does what the US and Britain refused to do, which is invest in infrastructure development. China builds roads, railroads, puts in water, storm water, sewage, natural gas and electrical systems so that the people of those countries can have a better quality of life and a higher standard of living.

That's the threat to the US.

The difference in wages between Americans and Africans is huge. Even with the federal minimum wage, an American worker makes 25x more than an African. But the difference in wages between China and Africa is not so great. China will be able to export to the 1 Billion people of Africa and import lost-cost goods from them. That is what America fears.

Ignorant Americans are quick to scream about "slave wages" without understanding they aren't slave wages. My uncle and aunt would live like paupers in the US, but in the Philippines they live like kings and love every minute of it.
 

waybread

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I note that this thread began in 2014, with much of the input not recent.

This is a hot topic thread so almost anything goes, but it's nice to see some astrology in the OP.

The event chart shows Saturn conjunct asteroid Russia in the 7th house. This could indicate partners, but with Saturn in the mix, "open enemies" is another option.

A marriage of convenience (no longer of ideology) could crumble if either side decides to register more dominance over one another and the planet more generally.

I have to say, DC80, that with the US as a collective of 340 million people, that it doesn't make sense to say that "the US hates China." There have been several federal administration changes since 2014, with Trump and his fan base being the putative China haters. And this was primarily so that Trump could blame the Covid pandemic on something other than his mishandling of it-- after he laudably fast-tracked vaccine development.

[My daughter has just recovered from her second bout of Covid so I don't take it lightly.]

As of about now, China is the 3rd most important US trading partner, after Mexico and Canada. On the other side of the ledger, the US is China's most important trading partner. So it makes no sense for the US and China to be economic enemies (human rights and military strategy being something else.)

Sad to say, but China is a lot more pro-active at buying up rights to natural resources internationally than the West is. Call that economic colonialism, if you like.

Right now China is nowhere near the standard of living in North America or EU countries. There is possibly a "guns or butter" problem for China here, as well.

Western political colonialism has a lot to answer for, but we cannot forget that Russia and China are also colonial powers. Russia just now is trying to re-assert its rule over Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, and Armenia. The Wagner Group is waging war in Syria and parts of Africa. China gobbled up Mongolia and Tibet. It wields a lot of power in Vietnam and North Korea, and has long announced its plans to annex Taiwan.

Russia is basically a petro-state. This isn't an ignorant option, but with Europe now working diligently to free itself of Russian oil blackmail, Russian oil may not be so lucrative in the future. Geopolitically, it's going to be harder for Russia to export oil via the Baltic or Black Seas, due to NATO control over these shipping lanes.

The ability of the EU, North America, and others on the Western side of current geopolitics to be economically nimble in the face of alliances like BRICS remains to be seen.

The outcome of Vladimir Putin's long game in Ukraine remains to be seen, as well.
 

JUPITERASC

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The US as well as Britain survived by oppressing others. They meddled and interfered in the political, social, and economic development of countries, most notably in sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and South America.


The reason the US hates China is because China does what the US and Britain refused to do, which is invest in infrastructure development. China builds roads, railroads, puts in water, storm water, sewage, natural gas and electrical systems so that the people of those countries can have a better quality of life and a higher standard of living. That's the threat to the US.

China And Russia CUT TIES With The Dollar :)

Triggers Global Currency Exodus





The difference in wages between Americans and Africans is huge. Even with the federal minimum wage, an American worker makes 25x more than an African. But the difference in wages between China and Africa is not so great. China will be able to export to the 1 Billion people of Africa and import lost-cost goods from them. That is what America fears.


Ignorant Americans are quick to scream about "slave wages" without understanding they aren't slave wages. My uncle and aunt would live like paupers in the US, but in the Philippines they live like kings and love every minute of it.



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waybread

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The legacy of western colonialism is clear.

What must not be forgotten are Russia's and China's histories of colonialism-- including efforts that are ongoing. See my previous post.
 
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