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WeCareALot
02-06-2014, 03:18 PM
I have it natally. Uranus in Aries is also transiting my Sun right now. I'm fighting a strong urge to get up and move to a new city and basically leave all remnants of my past (current job, old "friends," etc.) behind. I just want something new, and I'm frustrated at how long the process is taking.

In general, I find squares to the Sun really hard to deal with--more so than squares to the moon or other planets. Perhaps it's because squares to the Sun seem more conscious? The Sun is supposed to be our conscious will, I suppose. Squares often make me feel like I'm consciously doubting myself every time I try to live up to my Sun sign (Aries). Frustrating and annoying to say the least. :annoyed:

may28gemini
02-06-2014, 11:15 PM
It seems to me that square aspects manifests internally, whereas, opposition manifest externally. Opposite seems to be more direct because it's the case of either or. Square seems a bit more difficult to wrangle because it's internalized and harder to pinpoint what the actually source of the issue could be. Either way, both aspects can create some sort of "action," but it would appear that because square is internal, it would take longer for it to materialize into the external world.

I don't have Sun square Uranus, but I do have (Gemini) Sun opposite Uranus (Scorpio) but they're in disassociated signs. I quickly make up my mind and get up and go all the time, but that's usually because I think the world brings a lot of things about to compel me to make quick decisions (esp. about important stuff) and go with it.

I don't know how much of my "get up and go" is owed to Sun-Uranus aspect, but I also have Mars (Taurus) opposite Uranus (Scorpio) which may lend itself to doing a lot of uncalculated things, in rapid succession (despite both are fixed). Mars is the physical embodiment of the self and represents action, and action is basically physical manifestation of decisions. Maybe check your Mars and how prone to action it is...

kailaniatsea
02-09-2014, 07:33 PM
I have Sun conjunct Mercury (Leo) in DC (Cancer) square Uranus in MC (Scorpio). As a child I was accused of being "weird" and difficult. I had ADD and had a quick temper. I never trusted authority and could be stubborn. Since Uranus sits in my MC, I always had trouble working in group settings. I have found myself in Scorpio situations that challenged my identity.

kimbermoon
02-09-2014, 08:04 PM
I totally agree that such solar afflictions tend to challenge one's sense of identity; in their Solar expression, they can be highly unpredictable, and changeable, and seem rather unstable as a person. They can appear to be very radical at times and seem to find less consistency in their lives, perhaps due to past conditioning that set up them up to always be 'on alert' in life. Perhaps they experienced reprimands for being unique and independent in early life. Rebellion against authority and conformity, as well.

anjelik
02-09-2014, 08:43 PM
I have it natally. Uranus in Aries is also transiting my Sun right now. I'm fighting a strong urge to get up and move to a new city and basically leave all remnants of my past (current job, old "friends," etc.) behind. I just want something new, and I'm frustrated at how long the process is taking.

In general, I find squares to the Sun really hard to deal with--more so than squares to the moon or other planets. Perhaps it's because squares to the Sun seem more conscious? The Sun is supposed to be our conscious will, I suppose. Squares often make me feel like I'm consciously doubting myself every time I try to live up to my Sun sign (Aries). Frustrating and annoying to say the least. :annoyed:

I have Sun (Pisces) square Uranus (Sagittarius) natally. I am impatient, rebellious, erratic. But I also have a T-square with my Moon (Gemini) opposite Uranus. I'm really moody and change my mind the way the wind blows, or more often than not, the opposite way the wind blows.

As a teenager and into my early 20s I would do the opposite of everyone else, just to be different. I never wanted to be ordinary or typical. I am still like that in certain respects, but I understand sometimes you have to put your costume on to go to work (Cap AC). I've just accepted at this point that I see things differently than others. Most people don't like change, but I love it and I find it exciting.

may28gemini
02-09-2014, 11:21 PM
I have Sun conjunct Mercury (Leo) in DC (Cancer) square Uranus in MC (Scorpio). As a child I was accused of being "weird" and difficult. I had ADD and had a quick temper. I never trusted authority and could be stubborn. Since Uranus sits in my MC, I always had trouble working in group settings. I have found myself in Scorpio situations that challenged my identity.

ADD and quick temper is likely to be owed to the combusted Mercury in Leo (choleric sign).

When planets are in disassociated signs and they conjunct an axis of a different sign, it creates a sort of "blindness" effect. Whatever sign the axis is in is supposed to signify what you're "supposed to reach" to. However, because a planet of a different sign is near the axis, means there's disassociation with how to achieve what the axis is.

That sounded really abstract but basically speaking... using your example that you have Leo Sun-Mercury on Cancer DC. Well, because Leo and Cancer of signs side by side, they by natural order have not only little in common, but also do not "see" or recognize each other. This is where the "blindness" comes in. Your Sun and Mercury wishes to express itself in the Leo way, however your DC is in Cancer which say that you're actually supposed to have public relations in a Cancerian manner. From the general description of what you've given us, it makes sense that people have seen you as being difficult and willful (the Leo) whenever people tried to cared for you (Cancer DC). The Cancer DC tells me that people are more than likely approaching you with some sense of concern and you end up pushing them away because you're willful and want everything your own way (Leo). Cancer DC (others) would view you as being difficult and don't understand why you're pushing them away...however you probably are "blind" to their "motives" and think whatever you think.

kailaniatsea
02-10-2014, 12:16 AM
Miss Gemini, I want to thank you for taking the time to provide an in-depth analysis of the natal planets that I described! I am deeply thankful. We're both from California, even though I no longer live there. Gemini's always have the best insights into things! My mother has a strong Gemini presence (Mercury-Venus conjunction; Vedic Sun sign) and her mind is so clear, so present, unlike me :sad:.


When planets are in disassociated signs and they conjunct an axis of a different sign, it creates a sort of "blindness" effect. Whatever sign the axis is in is supposed to signify what you're "supposed to reach" to. However, because a planet of a different sign is near the axis, means there's disassociation with how to achieve what the axis is.

Your Sun and Mercury wishes to express itself in the Leo way, however your DC is in Cancer which say that you're actually supposed to have public relations in a Cancerian manner. From the general description of what you've given us, it makes sense that people have seen you as being difficult and willful (the Leo) whenever people tried to cared for you (Cancer DC).

Parts of this hold up and can understand my "blindness", especially with my mother and some authority figures in my early years. I had to acquire my "willfulness" and "stubbornness" because I did not grow up with a father (afflicted IC). My grandmother raised me while my mother worked. Despite grandma's parental guidance, she wasn't very effective. In essence, I had to create a shell (Mars in Cancer on DC) and assert myself in a challenging and brutal world (Uranus in Scorpio in MC square Sun and Mercury in Leo). In fact, my early years were violent due to bullying and sexual abuse from other children (Scorpio afflicted). For a while, I was misanthropic. The fact that I didn't become a substance abuser or promiscuous is amazing to me. Then again being having a Capricorn ASC forming a T-square with Mars in Cancer (in DC) and Pluto in Libra (in 9th) may have given me that backbone and a certain defensiveness. Since I mentioned the 9th, I was a deeply religious child (Moon conjunct Neptune in Sag) and divine guilt kept me on my toes. These days I am more laid-back.

The Cancer DC tells me that people are more than likely approaching you with some sense of concern and you end up pushing them away because you're willful and want everything your own way (Leo). Cancer DC (others) would view you as being difficult and don't understand why you're pushing them away...however you probably are "blind" to their "motives" and think whatever you think.

During my life I have lived in a handful of states and I have the experience of always being the outsider (Mars in Cancer DC square Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in the 9th house). Most of my conflicts with others in the past have been due to ideological reasons. Also, my Moon disposes in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune in the 12th so at times I wish to be cared for from a distance rather than forming family-like ties with people that bind me with strings. Also, being around others too much drains my energy (12th house Moon-Neptune).

LeoJeo
02-10-2014, 02:02 AM
I have Sun conjunct Mercury (Leo) in DC (Cancer) square Uranus in MC (Scorpio). As a child I was accused of being "weird" and difficult. I had ADD and had a quick temper. I never trusted authority and could be stubborn. Since Uranus sits in my MC, I always had trouble working in group settings. I have found myself in Scorpio situations that challenged my identity.

Contrary to what May28gemini says, your ADD and quick temper does not come from your Mercury in Leo. That is the result of the relationship your Uranus has with Mercury, the square. This means that Uranus the planet of freedom and change is in direct conflict with your means of thinking and communicating, as well as your core self.

Therefore, your mind and self are at odds with your freedom, individuality, and notions of change so this would take form in your Uranus constantly trying to be free of your mind, thus negating your ability to concentrate. You are essentially trying to rebel against your own mind, and by also being the planet of rebellion, it creates friction with your core self making any little encounter you see as trying to push you down extremely explosive. If Uranus was conjunct mercury, you would be rebellious against outside sources using your mind and means of communication. But since it is disharmonious, you literally are rebelling against your own mind, as well as yourself.

Take it from me, I know a lot of squares between Scorpio and Leo. While I don't have an afflicted Uranus (except with Venus[opposition],which makes dating real fun), I do have an afflicted moon in Scorpio. My moon literally squares my Sun, Mercury, and Venus. Thus my emotions are completely at odds more often than not with my identity, my mind, and my heart. But any square gives you the opportunity to work on it and absolve yourself of karma that has crossed over with you. You will find your purpose in this life and will be greatly rewarded for it. I am glad my purpose is to bring the darkness into light and turn negative into positive and you should be glad for yours. :)

may28gemini
02-10-2014, 03:10 AM
Miss Gemini, I want to thank you for taking the time to provide an in-depth analysis of the natal planets that I described! I am deeply thankful. We're both from California, even though I no longer live there. Gemini's always have the best insights into things! My mother has a strong Gemini presence (Mercury-Venus conjunction; Vedic Sun sign) and her mind is so clear, so present, unlike me :sad:.
You're welcome and thanks. I have Gemini Mercury on the MC and I like spreading information about.

I also just recently moved out of state (as in a few days ago!) so now I don't live in CA either. I have to say that being a Californian, esp. an Angleno (from Los Angeles) in places that aren't like California (like where I moved to that's anti-California) is pretty weird. It's actually wreaking havoc with my system and that's why I've been sick for awhile and been spending so much time on the forum and watching netflix :lol:

Your mother is a Cancer Sun? It's not unusual for Cancer Sun to have Gemini Mercury and Venus because Mercury is never more than 1 sign away from the Sun and Venus is no more than 2 signs away from the Sun. Gemini stuff actually would make Cancer to be less withdrawn and more socially outgoing.

Parts of this hold up and can understand my "blindness", especially with my mother and some authority figures in my early years. I had to acquire my "willfulness" and "stubbornness" because I did not grow up with a father (afflicted IC).
For "mother," look at the Moon and its condition and placement along with its aspects other planets. If there's harsh aspects from other planets to the Moon, it's safe to say that there's a lot of difficulties trusting the mother and not only that, difficulties in understanding those who are of caring nature or have an ulterior motive.

For "father," I would say look at the Sun (sense of protection or lack thereof), Saturn (to represent discipline/moral support or lack thereof), and Jupiter (to represent father's protective good will and generosity/financial suppose or lack thereof).

An afflicted IC could mean many things, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the father is absent. Just as the MC is the highest/most elevated point in the chart and signifies were the native's greatest fate lies, the IC represents the deepest, most hidden point of the chart and signifies the origins of native at the most essential core of their existence. Consider the IC as your primordial ooze, if you will.

My grandmother raised me while my mother worked. Despite grandma's parental guidance, she wasn't very effective. In essence, I had to create a shell (Mars in Cancer on DC) and assert myself in a challenging and brutal world (Uranus in Scorpio in MC square Sun and Mercury in Leo).
My maternal granny raised me, too. She's Leo Sun with Gemini Mars and Aqua Saturn. As odd as that combo sounds, she's an atypical Leo where she let me do whatever I wanted (except electrocute my cat). Needless to say, in combination with my chart she supported me in pretty much everything, so I grew up with authority supporting me (and figuring out how to manipulate authority to give me what I want).

There's been some debate as far as where to find grandparents in a person's chart, but several sources suggest the 9th house, and I also think the 9th house as well. My 9th house is in excellent condition and that's reflective of my good upbringing from my granny. If you have some difficulties in your 9th house, that could be indicative the ineffectiveness.

In fact, my early years were violent due to bullying and sexual abuse from other children (Scorpio afflicted).
That might not be from anything Scorpio in your chart. One of the things I've observed in charts is that those with some sort of personal planet (Sun, Moon, Merc, Venus, Mars) in the 8th house regardless of whatever sign it's in have revealed to me that they've suffered physical abuse. I say personal planet because it's very specific to the native.

I have Mars in the 8th house, and I was physically and emotionally abused by my peers (I was always the youngest in class but not exactly the smallest because I was just as tall) and my dad had the bad habit of not controlling his temper very well back then and would yell and hit me out of the blue (and fairly often too).

Check your 8th house to see what sort of afflictions are there. Traditionally, the 8th house is ruled by Saturn and it's a malefic house...of which it colors and adds an element of hinderance and difficulties to whatever planet in that house.

For a while, I was misanthropic. The fact that I didn't become a substance abuser or promiscuous is amazing to me. Then again being having a Capricorn ASC forming a T-square with Mars in Cancer (in DC) and Pluto in Libra (in 9th) may have given me that backbone and a certain defensiveness. Since I mentioned the 9th, I was a deeply religious child (Moon conjunct Neptune in Sag) and divine guilt kept me on my toes. These days I am more laid-back.
Cancer Mars is tempered and disturbed by the square to outer plane of Pluto. There is a natural sense that nothing goes right for you, and if you try, you can pretty much expect things to go wrong (like Murphy's Law) which is probably why you were misanthropic because you must have thought, "What's the point anymore? I try and things go wrong. I don't try and things come to me wrong. Ughhh"

In addition, your Moon is diluted and boundaries are blurred via outer Neptune so add what I would call a Catholic guilt vibe. It's a "D@mned if I do, d@mned if I don't" sort of belief...which I think you've acquiesced to for quite some time.

The 9th house isn't religious, but depending on what's in the 9th house can determine a lot of beliefs that make up the core of how a person thrives. The 9th (and 2nd) are traditionally ruled by Jupiter and as it stands, Jupiter and the Moon are friends/allies. If your Moon is in one of Jupiter's houses, it would give the Moon some sense of safety-net so to speak, by which the Moon is allowed to express what she needs in order for her to feel safe. In that example, I would generally say that such a person could very likely resort to religion (as that's a belief) for comfort and use that as a their safety net.

During my life I have lived in a handful of states and I have the experience of always being the outsider (Mars in Cancer DC square Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in the 9th house). Most of my conflicts with others in the past have been due to ideological reasons.
9th house belongs to Jupiter so having Jupiter there gives you need to bounce around and travel, however, Saturn is also there which means you carry your responsibilities with you no matter where you go.

From the sounds of your chart, I'm going to guess your birthday... like August 8th or 9th 1981? My ex-husband was born August 7 and he has Scorpio Moon.

Also, my Moon disposes in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune in the 12th so at times I wish to be cared for from a distance rather than forming family-like ties with people that bind me with strings. Also, being around others too much drains my energy (12th house Moon-Neptune).
I'm from a traditional astrological stance so the planetary disposal and all that stuff with emphasis on the outer planets is superfluous and illogical to me. I suspect it's other stuff in the chart that supports that you'd rather be at a distance.

may28gemini
02-10-2014, 03:13 AM
Contrary to what May28gemini says, your ADD and quick temper does not come from your Mercury in Leo. That is the result of the relationship your Uranus has with Mercury, the square. This means that Uranus the planet of freedom and change is in direct conflict with your means of thinking and communicating, as well as your core self.
[deleted attacking comment - Moderator] Combusted Leo Mercury is very likely the case (as I said) but there's no chart to read, so we're just speaking on general terms.

Don't carry that "Fire is the best" mentality onto this thread.

LeoJeo
02-10-2014, 04:13 AM
How would you know that? You're just saying that because you want to contradict me. Combusted Leo Mercury is very likely the case (as I said) but there's no chart to read, so we're just speaking on general terms.

Don't carry that "Fire is the best" mentality onto this thread.

[deleted response to attacking comment - Moderator] I would know because I have Leo Mercury and I do not have ADD or a short temper so if we're speaking on general terms that's a false statement as I do not have Uranus afflicting my Mercury. Thus empirically, the connection with Uranus is the middle ground and the most likely cause for her ADD. and temper.

may28gemini
02-10-2014, 05:42 AM
I most certainly am not. Stop making baseless accusations. I would know because I have Leo Mercury and I do not have ADD or a short temper so if we're speaking on general terms that's a false statement as I do not have Uranus afflicting my Mercury. Thus empirically, the connection with Uranus is the middle ground and the most likely cause for her ADD. and temper.

I did not say "all Leo Mercury are bad tempered" so you can calm down. I know you want defend Leo Mercury as if it's being under attack because you think that because you've got Leo Mercury and I mentioned Leo Mercury being the culprit to a person's self-admittance of their bad temper and ADD that you think you should defend yourself. It's not a contest

I did not say Leo Mercury is the sole reason for her temper and ADD, but I did said it's likely got something to do with it. She mentioned that she has Leo Sun-Mercury in close conjunction which means it's COMBUSTED. Do you know what happens to a planet that gets combusted? It's similar to a planet being corrupted, only by the Sun. Yes, the Sun can actually corrupt planets and can weaken the power of other planets, so it's very likely the culprit.

Mercury is no more than 28 degrees away from the Sun and mathematically, the likelihood is about 25% of people in the world would have combusted Mercury. A combusted Mercury means that the Mercury is weakened and their intellect is operating on an overpowered false sense of pride and ego. That alone can really account for the bad temper and ADD the person talked about.

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LeoJeo
02-10-2014, 06:36 AM
[deleted off-topic comments - Moderator] What would Mercury conjunct MC indicate? I'm curious and haven't looked up this aspect before. But as we all know, different aspects give different results though I agree that any mercury uranus aspect will indicate some amount of genius. In regards to ADD though, many geniuses have been known to carry this quality. ADD is also usually a sign of imbalances in the body that directly affect the mind as the body-mind is quite a real and strong phenomena.

LeoJeo
02-10-2014, 08:02 AM
Totally agreed about the mind body connection, I'd add spirit as well though. It's the most important factor in health imo.

I think with add the biggest culprit is kids being raised by the telvision sets as opposed to doing real hobbies (which require focus) while growing up.

Yeah most definitely. When we neglect the body, the mind is often hurt just as much as our organs are. When we neglect the spirit we neglect who we are at our deepest level. When we hurt ourselves spiritually, it often takes form in physical or mental manifestations. These in turn damage our belief in ourselves and our spirit and it just becomes one big cycle.

Its also because human natural tendencies are being suppressed by the system we live in. When we're kids we learn best through experience and play and that's really all we want to do. We were never made to just sit down, shut up, and think. That's why people go so crazy, is because once you do this all your life, you coupe up all the stuff that you've been wanting to express and it just explodes. You stop living in your body and solely live inside your head, only thinking, never actually feeling or doing. We have 3 brains: the Neo-cortex, the Cortex, and the Medula. Neo-Cortex is higher thinking, logic. The Cortex is emotions. The Medulla is primal based things we don't think about like eating, breathing, digesting, and doing things. When you are brought up in a society that tells you to shut down 2/3rds of your brain, you're bound to have problems as well. Having moon in Scorpio made this very real for me when I finally exploded with 6 years worth of emotions last year lol.

So there really is a myriad of different causes that come together to form one complete package in regards to mental illness and the like. Everything is connected and everything affects everything else. That is why balance is so key in regards to life, hence why the elements are all balanced to create a single unifying force.

miquar
02-10-2014, 10:00 AM
Hi WeCareALot. I have the sesquiquadrate, with Sun in Aquarius (Mercury also in Aquarius exactly trine Uranus). Venus is square Uranus and semisquare the Sun and at the moment the transiting Uranus Pluto square is aspecting all of these planets in one way or another - with Venus and Uranus being hit by major hard aspects. I'm also feeling a strong urge to make changes, though mine are work related. But if I manage to make these changes I'll be free to move to change location without any issues around continuity of income.

So LeoJeo, Ram, May28Gemini and myself all have Sun Uranus aspects! No surprises there I guess after the 'missing element' thread! Uranus is inclined to play devil's advocate. Also, Uranus types often feel that their freedom is being threatened if someone else offers a different take on the truth. We're programmed to react this way, but of course if we can be less defensive, we can make an impartial decision about whether or not ideas which differ from our own can bring more freedom (i.e. from ignorance).

Its also important to keep in mind that Uranus symbolises a collective energy. Essentially it is looking for understanding of how people can better co-exist. One of its problems in fact is that it can manifest as an urge to conform (or force others to conform) to some perfect ideal of a sociable human being. It has a lot to do with self-expression, but it is really collective energy expressing itself through the individual. When we experience it as our own energy, then paradoxically this is because we do not have a strong enough sense of self to differentiate between what is oneself and what is collective force of change. Sun Uranus of course is going to be most prone to this than other Uranus aspects.

In my twenties I was running around up to all sorts as part of a subversive group. I felt kind of alive and important, and I can see in retrospect that I was looking for some kind of validation through being Uranian, rather than starting from a point of individual strength and acting as a vessel for change in a conscious and creative way.

kailaniatsea
02-10-2014, 10:06 AM
Where do I begin?? This is quite heavy here. I never thought that I would write so much, but that's a good thing. Everybody, please get along! This is only a forum to discuss something that unites us: astrology. Whatever our philosophies, opinions and backgrounds are, it brought us here. That's a blessing. When I taught myself astrology in high school, I had nowhere to turn to discuss this and some conservative Christians in school shunned me for it. The internet was still a phenomena back then and there were few forums and no social networking like now.

Contrary to what May28gemini says, your ADD and quick temper does not come from your Mercury in Leo. That is the result of the relationship your Uranus has with Mercury, the square. This means that Uranus the planet of freedom and change is in direct conflict with your means of thinking and communicating, as well as your core self.

Both of you have valid points, even if you two can agree to disagree. My brother has Mercury in Leo as well (minus Uranus in Scorpio afflictions) and he is a worse hot head than me. At least I can admit when I am wrong, even if reluctantly (Mercury in DC helps). In fact, I think the Scorpio square makes me more sensitive because I am forced to feel others pain as well as my own, and that dampens egotism quick.

Therefore, your mind and self are at odds with your freedom, individuality, and notions of change so this would take form in your Uranus constantly trying to be free of your mind, thus negating your ability to concentrate. You are essentially trying to rebel against your own mind, and by also being the planet of rebellion, it creates friction with your core self making any little encounter you see as trying to push you down extremely explosive.

Thank you very much for your feedback! It is very fascinating, insightful and useful! This may be true when I cling (Mars in Cancer) to accomplishing something so much that I burn myself (Sun) and mind (Mercury) out. Yes, my Mercury is combust, so there. But since Uranus sits in the 10th, the restrictions to myself and mind have come from authority figures and institutions in general. Since I was young all I could remember was being chastised for deviating from the norm and yes, it angered me, especially because I wasn't hurting anybody. In fact, I was more busy with the plants and animals. Deep down I resent authority and I have a love-hate relationship with achievement for this reason. I don't want to become the same thing that I loathe and oppress others with it. Though I have occupied managerial positions, I have hated it because when I read the fine print I realize that I am only perpetuating the same thing that I grew up hating. In this respect, I would rather be a homemaker (Mars in Cancer) because I manage (Leo) the home (Cancer DC) without oppressing anybody (Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in Libra).

I also just recently moved out of state (as in a few days ago!) so now I don't live in CA either. I have to say that being a Californian, esp. an Angleno (from Los Angeles) in places that aren't like California (like where I moved to that's anti-California) is pretty weird. It's actually wreaking havoc with my system and that's why I've been sick for awhile and been spending so much time on the forum and watching netflix :lol:

Your mother is a Cancer Sun? It's not unusual for Cancer Sun to have Gemini Mercury and Venus because Mercury is never more than 1 sign away from the Sun and Venus is no more than 2 signs away from the Sun. Gemini stuff actually would make Cancer to be less withdrawn and more socially outgoing.

I have experienced anti-California sentiment as well, especially when I lived in the Pacific Northwest. Mom is a Cancer and pretty outgoing, on her terms. She's wonderful and very nurturing. Mom can elucidate complex concepts in a cinch (must be her Virgo ASC and Gemini Mercury and Venus). She's the eternal student! Yes, I was born in L.A. too at the old Queen of Angels hospital. I kinda feel special knowing that we were some of the last babies born there before they moved. Although I did not grow up in Los Angeles, the older I get, the more I feel Cali. Most of my life I lived in places that were opposite to me and have lived with this "havoc" since I have use of reason. That I think will make the mildest mannered person feel a twinge cranky and irritable. During my worst tempered years I lived in the South at a time when racism was still open and acceptable. That had me spitting dragon fire. It was hard to have you and your family called an n-word (not always indicative of one's ethnic background down there) one minute and the next go back to your country. Even without afflicted astrological placements, one will feel defensive.

For "mother," look at the Moon and its condition and placement along with its aspects other planets. If there's harsh aspects from other planets to the Moon, it's safe to say that there's a lot of difficulties trusting the mother and not only that, difficulties in understanding those who are of caring nature or have an ulterior motive.

For "father," I would say look at the Sun (sense of protection or lack thereof), Saturn (to represent discipline/moral support or lack thereof), and Jupiter (to represent father's protective good will and generosity/financial suppose or lack thereof).

An afflicted IC could mean many things, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the father is absent. Just as the MC is the highest/most elevated point in the chart and signifies were the native's greatest fate lies, the IC represents the deepest, most hidden point of the chart and signifies the origins of native at the most essential core of their existence. Consider the IC as your primordial ooze, if you will.

My Moon (Sagittarius) is squared Venus (Virgo). In my early years I may have distrusted my mother's ideas more than her as a person. But since my Venus falls in her ASC, we're cool. My Moon-Neptune sits in her IC so she's always felt protective towards me. My Jupiter is conjunct Saturn so here wasn't there. My IC is Taurus and Chiron sits there. I believe that in our family there have always been trust and security issues (Venus squares).

My maternal granny raised me, too. She's Leo Sun with Gemini Mars and Aqua Saturn. As odd as that combo sounds, she's an atypical Leo where she let me do whatever I wanted (except electrocute my cat). Needless to say, in combination with my chart she supported me in pretty much everything, so I grew up with authority supporting me (and figuring out how to manipulate authority to give me what I want).

There's been some debate as far as where to find grandparents in a person's chart, but several sources suggest the 9th house, and I also think the 9th house as well. My 9th house is in excellent condition and that's reflective of my good upbringing from my granny. If you have some difficulties in your 9th house, that could be indicative the ineffectiveness.

Your grandma sounded cool, but poor kitty, meow. My 9th house correlated to my 4th since they share the same ruler, Venus. Now that I think of it, I feel like I've been carrying my grandmother's baggage (Cancer Sun-Pluto, Pisces Moon and Leo ASC), which is a ****** legacy. I have 3 planets in my 9th. When grandma passed away we learned that she had been pinning my mother and I against each other (afflicted Venus and house rulers). Consequently, it took years for Mom and I to repair our relationship. After grandma died I became a hermit.

That might not be from anything Scorpio in your chart. One of the things I've observed in charts is that those with some sort of personal planet (Sun, Moon, Merc, Venus, Mars) in the 8th house regardless of whatever sign it's in have revealed to me that they've suffered physical abuse. I say personal planet because it's very specific to the native.

I have Mars in the 8th house, and I was physically and emotionally abused by my peers (I was always the youngest in class but not exactly the smallest because I was just as tall) and my dad had the bad habit of not controlling his temper very well back then and would yell and hit me out of the blue (and fairly often too).

Check your 8th house to see what sort of afflictions are there. Traditionally, the 8th house is ruled by Saturn and it's a malefic house...of which it colors and adds an element of hinderance and difficulties to whatever planet in that house.

That really ***** :(. I have Venus in Virgo in my 8th square Moon-Neptune in 12th cusp. Since Venus rules my 9th and 4th houses, the abuse has been passed down generations. Mercury rules my 8th house, so maybe my temper and tics could be my reaction mechanism. I am very aural and sometimes the things that I hear can either make me real happy or sour.

Cancer Mars is tempered and disturbed by the square to outer plane of Pluto.

Torment due to societal injustices is more like it and that caused me to feel bummed out.

In addition, your Moon is diluted and boundaries are blurred via outer Neptune so add what I would call a Catholic guilt vibe.

The funny thing was that I wasn't even raised Catholic, but my grandmother was a fallen Catholic schoolgirl. She bitterly complained about the "lesbian" nuns and yes, she saw them making out. Grandma was more offended by their abusive behavior (they belted and "rulered" her) than their homosexuality. When she reported them and rebelled, she was punished by being placed in a dark closet until she repented. However, she did pass that guilt down to Mom and I. You gotta love Catholics.


The 9th (and 2nd) are traditionally ruled by Jupiter and as it stands, Jupiter and the Moon are friends/allies. If your Moon is in one of Jupiter's houses, it would give the Moon some sense of safety-net so to speak, by which the Moon is allowed to express what she needs in order for her to feel safe.

Well, this is true. I have been doing some genealogy and found out that for at least two generations, our surnames have a Sephardic (Spanish Jewish) heritage. That's the main reason why I am more peaceful these days.

From the sounds of your chart, I'm going to guess your birthday... like August 8th or 9th 1981? My ex-husband was born August 7 and he has Scorpio Moon.

I was born on the 10th; you are correct. Hope that I don't remind you of him...

A strong Mercury Uranus contact is about as sure fire an aspect for genius as you can get in a chart.

Awesome. I have been told that I have good, but brutally painful insights. These days I just want to be happy and not rain on anyone's parade.

I stand by what I said about merc in leo and merc uranus aspects though. They will not indicate a bad temper.

I do have a grand cross with cardinal signs (e.g. Capricorn ASC, Mars Cancer in DC; and Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in Libra). Since cardinal signs force action and I am a fiery person, the temper should not be a surprise. However, it first manifests as impatience...

I think with add the biggest culprit is kids being raised by the telvision sets as opposed to doing real hobbies (which require focus) while growing up.

I was a very active child; my Mom and my ADD would not allow me to sit in front of a TV playing Atari (yes, I'm an 80's kid). For example, I climbed trees, played sports, caught jellyfish and was always injured, scratched up, bloody and sprained; and still my mind did not rest.

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may28gemini
02-10-2014, 11:53 AM
I have experienced anti-California sentiment as well, especially when I lived in the Pacific Northwest.
I think it's anti-California in the Southwest and then there's good ole Texas people hating us "fancy" Californians with our demands on organic foods and $5 lattes :lol::lol::lol:

Mom is a Cancer and pretty outgoing, on her terms. She's wonderful and very nurturing. Mom can elucidate complex concepts in a cinch (must be her Virgo ASC and Gemini Mercury and Venus). She's the eternal student! Yes, I was born in L.A. too at the old Queen of Angels hospital. I kinda feel special knowing that we were some of the last babies born there before they moved. Although I did not grow up in Los Angeles, the older I get, the more I feel Cali. Most of my life I lived in places that were opposite to me and have lived with this "havoc" since I have use of reason. That I think will make the mildest mannered person feel a twinge cranky and irritable. During my worst tempered years I lived in the South at a time when racism was still open and acceptable. That had me spitting dragon fire. It was hard to have you and your family called an n-word (not always indicative of one's ethnic background down there) one minute and the next go back to your country. Even without afflicted astrological placements, one will feel defensive.
I've lived in a lot of places, but never the South. I grew up mostly in CA and New England and then my grandfather's death brought my father unexpected inheritance and we moved to the Southwest so my dad can sort out stuff in the family.

I found that living in the SouthWest is ok, except for the horrible dry and hot climate that wreaked havoc with my lungs and worsen my asthma. Parts of the Southwest is extremely white which I don't care about, but they look at you funny if you're not white so I got a lot of "funny" looks. I went to schools in New England, met the boy that I later married and found out he was a Californian too and after we graduated college, we went back to CA, but to Northern CA to San Francisco, where his family is originally from. It was fine there, but I don't like the people, and after my divorce, I was free to come back to LA. My dad came up to see me and we drove by one of the old houses we had in Culver City. It's now worth at least $5 million for sure. Back then it was old...small, and normal. In LA, it's normal to be ethnically mixed, but now I'm back in the Southwest (for family reasons) and there's a ton of white people here who look at me a bit... odd and then makes really weird and dumb conversations with me as if I don't understand English. Everyone asks me the same 2 questions, "What are you?" and "What are you doing here?"

I get tired of answering to random strangers to justify my existence so I keep saying stupid responses like "I'm here for the knitting challenge and want to eat some delicious ice cream" when most of the time I want to tell people, "Go kill yourself, you stupid redneck hick."

My Moon (Sagittarius) is squared Venus (Virgo). In my early years I may have distrusted my mother's ideas more than her as a person. But since my Venus falls in her ASC, we're cool. My Moon-Neptune sits in her IC so she's always felt protective towards me. My Jupiter is conjunct Saturn so here wasn't there. My IC is Taurus and Chiron sits there. I believe that in our family there have always been trust and security issues (Venus squares).
I also have Moon (Pisces) square Venus (Gemini) and I distrusted my mother's decisions more than her as a person too. She made some weird decisions which I flat out disagreed with and I blamed her for a lot of the difficulties that her decisions lead to our home life. She also sent me away, too.

Your grandma sounded cool, but poor kitty, meow. My 9th house correlated to my 4th since they share the same ruler, Venus. Now that I think of it, I feel like I've been carrying my grandmother's baggage (Cancer Sun-Pluto, Pisces Moon and Leo ASC), which is a ****** legacy. I have 3 planets in my 9th. When grandma passed away we learned that she had been pinning my mother and I against each other (afflicted Venus and house rulers). Consequently, it took years for Mom and I to repair our relationship. After grandma died I became a hermit.
My granny is very interesting, that's for sure and atypical of a Leo. Well, we all know she's supremely bossy and she'll admit it but her 1st house Saturn makes her HATE attention and fuss over her. She likes being alone. 1st house 0║ Aqua Saturn on 3║ Aqua AC opposite 8║ Leo Sun in the 7th house, squirrelly Gemini Mars in 5th house , 1║ Virgo Mercury, Cancer Moon in the 6th house... Yeah... my granny had a lot of interesting stuff going on. Everyone in the family say I'm like my granny in personality, which is SCARY but true. Not surprising, my chart mimics her's so I guess it has to be that I'm my granny's mini me. I have 1st house 0║Libra Jupiter and 3║ Libra Saturn on 3║ Libra AC, Gemini Mercury, Pisces Moon in the 6th house, Taurus Mars in 8th.

The funny thing was that I wasn't even raised Catholic, but my grandmother was a fallen Catholic schoolgirl. She bitterly complained about the "lesbian" nuns and yes, she saw them making out. Grandma was more offended by their abusive behavior (they belted and "rulered" her) than their homosexuality. When she reported them and rebelled, she was punished by being placed in a dark closet until she repented. However, she did pass that guilt down to Mom and I. You gotta love Catholics.
My granny went to Catholic school and so did all her kids, including my mother. My dad also went to Catholic school, too. My parents sent me and my younger brother Catholic school. I think it was just something from back in the day. My granny believes in a general "God" concept and so does my mom but my dad doesn't and I'm flat out an atheist. I said there was no God before I had to had to go to school to pray to something that I rejected. As it stands, Catholic guilt didn't get to me. Nor my parents. Nor even my granny LOL


I was born on the 10th; you are correct. Hope that I don't remind you of him...

No, you don't remind me of my ex husband LOL how could you? I don't know you! I just asked because the description of your chart sounded so familiar to his chart so I knew you were born very close to him. I only asked to verify that I'm not off my rocker.

I do have a grand cross with cardinal signs (e.g. Capricorn ASC, Mars Cancer in DC; and Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in Libra). Since cardinal signs force action and I am a fiery person, the temper should not be a surprise. However, it first manifests as impatience...

Do you have something in Aries? You wouldn't have a Grand Cross unless you have all 4 planets in the same mode.

Do you like knitting? It might help with the impatience...

There's good and bad in all elements. My temper is not what defines me as a fire sign person. In fact, I have found earth and water very difficult to deal with; but I recognize the good and balance in all.
I use to find Earth and Water hard to deal with when I was younger, but as I got older, I learned more about them and find those elements, esp. Earth to be quite useful and actually easier to deal with. As a general thing, Fire always seemed to do whatever they want, whenever they want without much regards for consequences and others and I dislike that. When I was younger I ran around with more Fire people, but seeing how they showed so much disregard for others and only would save their own necks and leave others out to dry, I realized that being around exciting people is more dangerous than anything. There are more extreme examples of what I've dealt with.

I had a Sagittarius friend who I did some business with who got in trouble with the law... first he was busted speeding in his Porshe and then there was some pot in the car and no doubt he we stoned while driving which is a no-no. In his car he had papers about our business...we ordered stuff connected to cellphones and anyway, him getting busted for a speeding issue and then some cellphone company who wanted to sue him found out his address because of the police public records thing, served him and since I was connected to him, they found me and served me out of the blue. OMG it was a nightmare and a billion times a headache.

I had a Leo friend who ditched me because she blamed me saying it was my fault that some random bar guy we met stole her engagement ring. I was not even aware she had her engagement ring in her bag and she left it on the bar and I walked away from her bag to play some music at the jukebox. Who the heck is stupid enough to leave their bag with their engagement ring in it?! I'd be guarding that with my life if I was her. But no, I got blamed.

I had 2 Aries friends (both with Libra Saturn) who were wanted by the police and they didn't even tell me about it but came over to "hangout" with me...until a ton of cops were outside my apartment and they "talked" through a bullhorn... I was afraid there was going to be a shootout and most of all, I didn't want to get hauled off in the paddy wagon as an accomplice. GRRRRR

Maybe not growing up in L.A. was not such a bad thing. For a fire sign, I'm pretty undiva-like (Cancer DC and Venus in Virgo). I never needed a fan club and cook my own meals. Yes, I am aware of the star expectations that many out there have. Living in Vegas I meet many Angelenos like myself and sometimes I want to slap them (if I have PMS, lol). I have East Coast roots and spent some time there (I even picked up the New England accent), so I have little tolerance for others b.s. Out there, a temper is not seen as a bad thing because everybody vents. It wasn't until I lived in Seattle that suddenly my accent and ways were a liability.
Actually, Angelenos like telling you stuff to your face and then laughing about it. I'm no different, because I don't take things seriously but if people do things that bother me, I just tell them directly. People do the same with me if they're also Angelenos. That's viewed as normal and we move after we voice our problems. However, in the Southwest, it would be considered "rude" and "mean" to be straightforward so a bit of self edit is required bc people take themselves too seriously and are all about their stupid houses, kids, husbands, etc. and other boring cr@p they love.

I'm an Angeleno from beginning to end. I hate boring stable family stuff and like fabulous stuff like nice vintage clothes, expensive and effective skin products, eating healthy and nice foods, going on vacays, socializing with people, not doing 9-5 office jobs, and living a life of little responsibilities as much as possible. Maybe eventually I'll get a condo. I call the LA life "condo and cats" sort of life, which is more my pace of life.

kailaniatsea
02-10-2014, 11:27 PM
I think it's anti-California in the Southwest and then there's good ole Texas people hating us "fancy" Californians with our demands on organic foods and $5 lattes :lol::lol::lol:

The same thing happens along the East Coast with their "invasion" of the Southern states (e.g. FL, NC, SC, VA and others). Southerners dislike East Coasters for more intrinsic reasons which creates tension (e.g. losing the Civil War). For example, they hate their liberal stance and the old guard still expressed resentment over integration. Interestingly enough, African Americans felt the same way, but for different reasons than whites. I was bused to predominantly black schools as part of the Brown v. Board legacy because state law dictated that there could no majority race in a school district. So if Southwesterners hate on us for demanding the good life, so be it; it's a minor complaint.

I grew up mostly in CA and New England and then my grandfather's death brought my father unexpected inheritance and we moved to the Southwest so my dad can sort out stuff in the family.

Sorry to hear :(.

I found that living in the SouthWest is ok, except for the horrible dry and hot climate that wreaked havoc with my lungs and worsen my asthma.

Don't even get me started on the weather, especially the summer!

Parts of the Southwest is extremely white which I don't care about, but they look at you funny if you're not white so I got a lot of "funny" looks.

I did a road trip from NV to New Orleans a few years ago and felt the creeps when I drove through I-40 in Arizona and New Mexico. The AZ portion was hostile and racist. It doesn't help having a racially ambiguous look, which makes me chameleonic. I resembled some of the Native Americans that I saw along the road and that did me no favors. Things in NM eased up as the population is more accepting.

It was fine there, but I don't like the people, and after my divorce, I was free to come back to LA.

The East Coast takes some getting used to no doubt, but being there was a huge learning experience for me. Had I lived there all my life, I would have had more academic freedom. Let me explain. The educational system there is the best (IMHO) and I would have gone to college to prepare more for a career rather than learning what wasn't taught to me in my preparatory years.

In LA, it's normal to be ethnically mixed, but now I'm back in the Southwest (for family reasons) and there's a ton of white people here who look at me a bit... odd and then makes really weird and dumb conversations with me as if I don't understand English. Everyone asks me the same 2 questions, "What are you?" and "What are you doing here?" I get tired of answering to random strangers to justify my existence so I keep saying stupid responses like "I'm here for the knitting challenge and want to eat some delicious ice cream" when most of the time I want to tell people, "Go kill yourself, you stupid redneck hick."

Most Californians are mixed so race is irrelevant. We're Americans and all of us have a mixture, even if we are considered "white", "black" and etc. The same thing happened to me in the Pacific Northwest, and I lived in a major metropolitan area. I was engaged in a cold war of sorts with the people who were prejudice against me. That will dampen any Leo pretensions; but I always demanded respect. However, I found small towners more accommodating. Maybe it's their Christian guilt (east of the Cascades is conservative), who knows?


I also have Moon (Pisces) square Venus (Gemini) and I distrusted my mother's decisions more than her as a person too. She made some weird decisions which I flat out disagreed with and I blamed her for a lot of the difficulties that her decisions lead to our home life. She also sent me away, too.

Pisces Moons suffer a great deal because I have observed that they are sometimes abandoned or scapegoated for things that are not their fault. Despite my grandmother's issues she had a Pisces Moon too and know that she toiled and suffered greatly. The challenge is to rise above the impurities of others (Pisces) and rediscover and claim one's inner voice (Gemini). This message becomes more imperative since your Moon sits in the 6th house, servants and illness. Since Gemini sits on your MC, this could become your calling card and means to achieve your potential.

My granny is very interesting, that's for sure and atypical of a Leo. Well, we all know she's supremely bossy and she'll admit it but her 1st house Saturn makes her HATE attention and fuss over her. She likes being alone. 1st house 0║ Aqua Saturn on 3║ Aqua AC opposite 8║ Leo Sun in the 7th house, squirrelly Gemini Mars in 5th house , 1║ Virgo Mercury, Cancer Moon in the 6th house... Yeah... my granny had a lot of interesting stuff going on. Everyone in the family say I'm like my granny in personality, which is SCARY but true. Not surprising, my chart mimics her's so I guess it has to be that I'm my granny's mini me. I have 1st house 0║Libra Jupiter and 3║ Libra Saturn on 3║ Libra AC, Gemini Mercury, Pisces Moon in the 6th house, Taurus Mars in 8th.

Well, if you believe in reincarnation then your grandmother passed down her spirit to yours.

I said there was no God before I had to had to go to school to pray to something that I rejected. As it stands, Catholic guilt didn't get to me. Nor my parents. Nor even my granny LOL.

That saved you from guilt, a good thing. In my observation, Air type people tend to be agnostic or atheist. They are very skeptical of organized religion and spirituality as a whole. I tried to be atheist and my personality doesn't allow for it. Somehow, my safety net (Moon-Neptune in 12th) is lost. But I have had deeply spiritual experiences.

No, you don't remind me of my ex husband LOL how could you? I don't know you!

I didn't mean it that way, just personality similarities.

Do you have something in Aries? You wouldn't have a Grand Cross unless you have all 4 planets in the same mode.

That was a typo; I had the Uranus in Aries transit confused with a natal planet. Draconic astrology says that I have Sun-Mercury in Aries, but that's another story all together.

Do you like knitting? It might help with the impatience...

I have never tried it, but find sewing, assembling and fixing things zen in a strange kind of way (Cap ASC, Venus in Virgo, Chiron in Taurus in IC, maybe). Deep down, I find working with my hands awesome because I see my creation in real time. I have yet to pursue that line of work; it's a little daunting being the only handy woman. But you never know; once I make up my mind that's it.

I use to find Earth and Water hard to deal with when I was younger, but as I got older, I learned more about them and find those elements, esp. Earth to be quite useful and actually easier to deal with.

It depends because of the people that I have dealth with have been water, air and earth (in that order). When earth and water is negative, they can be very judgmental, stick in the mud and prejudice. My brother and sister-in-law (both Virgos) have hang ups like this and I don't even deal with them. Even my brother discriminates against me... The upside of earth and water is stability (earth) and emotional intelligence (water).

As a general thing, Fire always seemed to do whatever they want, whenever they want without much regards for consequences and others and I dislike that.

That depends because I have dealt with loads of Air people who did the same exact thing. Remember that air goes wherever it wants. However, I have found Aquarius the most difficult air sign to deal with. The ones that I knew took Leo's shadow traits and ran with it. No one can tell them that they are wrong (no matter how kindly you put it) and they are only too happy to lecture on you on the pearly nuggets of their hard earned wisdom, even if you are peers. And they only want life on their terms. My ex-friend had the same birthday as Paris Hilton (eww...), Aquarius Sun-Mercury, Moon in Leo and Mars in Pisces.

My maternal aunt (Libra) and uncle (Aquarius) were terrible. Auntie was proud of her sexual deviances and was only too eager to "recruit" and disparaged my much younger mother (Cancer) for being a prude (Virgo ASC). She also set up my mother many times so that she could be raped and killed. Mom had loyal friends who unconditionally protected her, thank goodness. Uncle was a great kid growing up and when he got of the military, he acted like a felon. What happened? He was sexually devious too. I had twin Libra friends and one of them went through a very sexually wild phase (e.g. having sex in public). I have known some Aquariuses who are very open about the terms of their relationships. This isn't to say that Air people are all like that, but some need to guard against being dissolute by splitting themselves all across the board.

When I was younger I ran around with more Fire people, but seeing how they showed so much disregard for others and only would save their own necks and leave others out to dry, I realized that being around exciting people is more dangerous than anything. There are more extreme examples of what I've dealt with.

I have not dealt with many Fire people. In fact, I was the only fire in my group and not a terribly exciting one at that (Cap ASC, Saturn in Libra, Mars in Cancer). But I have known a few fire types recently and you gotta watch them. The Aries types are very demanding and selfish; they'll hound you until they get their way and once they do, you are yesterday's news.

I had a Sagittarius friend who I did some business with who got in trouble with the law... first he was busted speeding in his Porshe and then there was some pot in the car and no doubt he we stoned while driving which is a no-no. In his car he had papers about our business...we ordered stuff connected to cellphones and anyway, him getting busted for a speeding issue and then some cellphone company who wanted to sue him found out his address because of the police public records thing, served him and since I was connected to him, they found me and served me out of the blue. OMG it was a nightmare and a billion times a headache.

I had a Leo friend who ditched me because she blamed me saying it was my fault that some random bar guy we met stole her engagement ring. I was not even aware she had her engagement ring in her bag and she left it on the bar and I walked away from her bag to play some music at the jukebox. Who the heck is stupid enough to leave their bag with their engagement ring in it?! I'd be guarding that with my life if I was her. But no, I got blamed.

I had 2 Aries friends (both with Libra Saturn) who were wanted by the police and they didn't even tell me about it but came over to "hangout" with me...until a ton of cops were outside my apartment and they "talked" through a bullhorn... I was afraid there was going to be a shootout and most of all, I didn't want to get hauled off in the paddy wagon as an accomplice. GRRRRR.

:surprised: :andy:

Actually, Angelenos like telling you stuff to your face and then laughing about it. That's viewed as normal and we move after we voice our problems. However, in the Southwest, it would be considered "rude" and "mean" to be straightforward so a bit of self edit is required bc people take themselves too seriously and are all about their stupid houses, kids, husbands, etc. and other boring cr@p they love.

They do the same out East. What you described are the ills of suburbia. Reminds me of some Pet Shop Boys' old music with toxic descriptions of smaller city life. The parts of the country that have been urbanized for a long time have a tougher skin as part of their collective identity, but the regions of the country that are now becoming urbanized are still more provincial and Victorian in their outlook. It will take them decades to catch on, if they ever do.

I'm an Angeleno from beginning to end. I hate boring stable family stuff and like fabulous stuff like nice vintage clothes, expensive and effective skin products, eating healthy and nice foods, going on vacays, socializing with people, not doing 9-5 office jobs, and living a life of little responsibilities as much as possible. Maybe eventually I'll get a condo. I call the LA life "condo and cats" sort of life, which is more my pace of life.

I was like that in my teens and 20's and now that I am 30+ I am becoming more increasingly drawn to rural life as a means to detach myself from the rein of corporations and the government. My politics is changing too. Some days I don't know who or what I am becoming. It's not like I am turning into anybody in my family.

The thought of raising farm animals, growing my own food and building my own home is awesome. Being an Angeleno means that I cannot reconcile living in a rural place with closed attitudes. That's been my challenge.

LeoJeo
02-11-2014, 12:21 AM
Hi WeCareALot. I have the sesquiquadrate, with Sun in Aquarius (Mercury also in Aquarius exactly trine Uranus). Venus is square Uranus and semisquare the Sun and at the moment the transiting Uranus Pluto square is aspecting all of these planets in one way or another - with Venus and Uranus being hit by major hard aspects. I'm also feeling a strong urge to make changes, though mine are work related. But if I manage to make these changes I'll be free to move to change location without any issues around continuity of income.

So LeoJeo, Ram, May28Gemini and myself all have Sun Uranus aspects! No surprises there I guess after the 'missing element' thread! Uranus is inclined to play devil's advocate. Also, Uranus types often feel that their freedom is being threatened if someone else offers a different take on the truth. We're programmed to react this way, but of course if we can be less defensive, we can make an impartial decision about whether or not ideas which differ from our own can bring more freedom (i.e. from ignorance).

Its also important to keep in mind that Uranus symbolises a collective energy. Essentially it is looking for understanding of how people can better co-exist. One of its problems in fact is that it can manifest as an urge to conform (or force others to conform) to some perfect ideal of a sociable human being. It has a lot to do with self-expression, but it is really collective energy expressing itself through the individual. When we experience it as our own energy, then paradoxically this is because we do not have a strong enough sense of self to differentiate between what is oneself and what is collective force of change. Sun Uranus of course is going to be most prone to this than other Uranus aspects.

In my twenties I was running around up to all sorts as part of a subversive group. I felt kind of alive and important, and I can see in retrospect that I was looking for some kind of validation through being Uranian, rather than starting from a point of individual strength and acting as a vessel for change in a conscious and creative way.

I actually don't have any Sun Uranus aspects ^_^ But my Uranus is square my Midheaven and my Mars is square my Ascendant so that would be a very plausible explanation as to why I would act similar. That Mars square Ascendant is something my darker side likes to throw out at times if I'm not mindful of it, as some are already aware.

may28gemini
02-11-2014, 03:39 AM
The same thing happens along the East Coast with their "invasion" of the Southern states (e.g. FL, NC, SC, VA and others). Southerners dislike East Coasters for more intrinsic reasons which creates tension (e.g. losing the Civil War). For example, they hate their liberal stance and the old guard still expressed resentment over integration. Interestingly enough, African Americans felt the same way, but for different reasons than whites. I was bused to predominantly black schools as part of the Brown v. Board legacy because state law dictated that there could no majority race in a school district. So if Southwesterners hate on us for demanding the good life, so be it; it's a minor complaint.
Oh, boy... I can really b!tch about all the horrid Midwesterners destroying LA's kitchy ethnic ways with their weird anti-social mannerisms and the fact that they're so homogenous that they don't know what it's like to be around those who are very mixed that they create a new white haven for themselves over in West LA and are extremely snobby and condescending towards everyone else as if they own the place.They come to LA to "make it" and seek out fame and think that they since they got away from their middle of nowhere sh!tty town and landed in a "big city" like LA that they are somehow elevated. I love the fact that LA kills their dogmas and send a lot of them packing.

When I came back to LA, my friends were still there. It's really ironic, because all my friends in LA are Angelenos and they WANT nothing better than to leave LA behind because they're also tired of seeing how LA got destroyed 1000x over being whitewashed.
I did a road trip from NV to New Orleans a few years ago and felt the creeps when I drove through I-40 in Arizona and New Mexico. The AZ portion was hostile and racist. It doesn't help having a racially ambiguous look, which makes me chameleonic. I resembled some of the Native Americans that I saw along the road and that did me no favors. Things in NM eased up as the population is more accepting.
Yeah, I know AZ is super racist, cuz I'm there now. I can't even f*cking believe that I left my super cheap apartment in LA to come to AZ but it's because I wanted to be closer to my mother. I've been on my own since I was 17 and after roaming around the world for 15 years, the only words I can say is that I longed to crawl into my mother's lap and cry. It sounds weird and sappy, but she may not be around much longer because she has an active disease that can turn just whenever and I don't want to be 400 miles away if she kicks the bucket. If it was any other reason, I'd NEVER give up LA, because LA is like my IC, it's my genesis.

The East Coast takes some getting used to no doubt, but being there was a huge learning experience for me. Had I lived there all my life, I would have had more academic freedom. Let me explain. The educational system there is the best (IMHO) and I would have gone to college to prepare more for a career rather than learning what wasn't taught to me in my preparatory years.
Yeah, I spent quite some time growing up in the East Coast, too. That's where I was sent to boarding school and where I went to college for undergrads and grads. Looking back on it, I suppose my "meanness" is rooted on the East Coast where the weather is a bit extreme (too hot and muggy in the summers and too icy during the winters), the people are extreme themselves- you get hyper aggressive Irish and Italians or you get passive aggressive Brits. My ex-husband's origins lies with passive aggressive Brits :lol:

Most Californians are mixed so race is irrelevant. We're Americans and all of us have a mixture, even if we are considered "white", "black" and etc. The same thing happened to me in the Pacific Northwest, and I lived in a major metropolitan area. I was engaged in a cold war of sorts with the people who were prejudice against me. That will dampen any Leo pretensions; but I always demanded respect. However, I found small towners more accommodating. Maybe it's their Christian guilt (east of the Cascades is conservative), who knows?
Actually, no not most Californians. Only in a few areas there's diverse mixing, but it's rather separate- most of the Asians stay with the Asians and specifically their own group, blacks with blacks, Armenians with Armenians, and even amongst the Latino groups, they prefer to stay with their own like Mexicans prefer other Mexicans, etc.

LA actually holds that distinction that I've noticed those who are minorities will hangout with other minorities, but whites will only be around other whites and it's actually an unspoken thing. Even in dating, white guys will say they don't want girl that's not white. It's one thing to have a preference, and be mindful and seek out what you want, but it's another thing to announce out loud to be condescending towards those who don't racially fit your standards. LA use to not be so segregationist but the heavy influx of Midwesterners makes it so.


I always wondered why Leos demand respect all the time. It's one of those vocab words that must be ingrained in the Leo sign. My mom and granny are the same way- they command respect LOL when I think it's really hilarious. Respect to me means nothing unless it's shown through actions and that takes a long time. But Gemini is not known to demand much and we're rather careless and easy going when it comes to dealing with others...

Pisces Moons suffer a great deal because I have observed that they are sometimes abandoned or scapegoated for things that are not their fault. Despite my grandmother's issues she had a Pisces Moon too and know that she toiled and suffered greatly. The challenge is to rise above the impurities of others (Pisces) and rediscover and claim one's inner voice (Gemini). This message becomes more imperative since your Moon sits in the 6th house, servants and illness. Since Gemini sits on your MC, this could become your calling card and means to achieve your potential.
Actually, I consider Pisces Moon the punching bag for all the signs. The reason why Pisces Moon suffer is because they are so innately sensitive and get startled by pretty much everything. Pisces is not a sign known to have any boundaries, if anything, they have complete lack of boundaries so it would be easy for other signs, one of more domineering presence to manipulate Pisces.

Unlike Cancer Moon, who is cardinal and therefore have the ability of emotional control, and Scorpio Moon which is fixed and therefore, can control and hide their emotions; Pisces Moon is mutable and lines are blurred to where recognition of the outside world vs where the internal world starts is nil. Pisces Moon cannot hide its emotions unlike Scorpio, nor can it control and manage its emotions unlike Cancer Moon. Pisces Moon gives off the effect of gushing raging waters busting through a broken dam. Or, at least my Pisces Moon does, since it's in the Mars decan and Mars' term. Heh.

I use to suffer a lot as a youngster and having Saturn oppose my Moon is no cakewalk. But I learned to let the flood gates open and allow the raging waters to come busting though. I find it actually soothes me to allow that, simply because, well, I'd rather deal with it than implode. Of course, a lot of people have complained and felt like my Pisces Moon floods the whole place and I can't really blame them. But I'd rather flood the whole place than feel like I'm alone drowning in an underwater torture chamber.

Well, if you believe in reincarnation then your grandmother passed down her spirit to yours.
No, I don't believe in reincarnation. She's still alive, for one :lol: I was taught by my astrologer teacher that much like genetic material, natal charts are "genetic" too. Parents pass on traits of their charts to their children. My Leo granny with the Aqua Saturn on her AC, all her children have dignified Saturn from the oldest 2 both have Libra Saturn to the youngest 2 who have Cap and Aqua. Only my silly mother who's in the middle and is the black sheep of the family has peregrine Saturn and she was out of all the kids, the one that received the least attention from my granny. The one who received the most attention were the 2 with Libra Saturn, and the youngest one with Aqua Saturn. My granny only has 3 grandkids (including me) and by far, I am the favorite because I am most like her with exalted Saturn on the AC. The other 2 do not have dignified Saturn and she doesn't care for them (even if they're younger than me).


That saved you from guilt, a good thing. In my observation, Air type people tend to be agnostic or atheist. They are very skeptical of organized religion and spirituality as a whole. I tried to be atheist and my personality doesn't allow for it. Somehow, my safety net (Moon-Neptune in 12th) is lost. But I have had deeply spiritual experiences.
I think, as oddly as this sounds, Fire is the element that is least likely to be agonistic/atheist. Fire is fueled by desire and belief that they are not only great, but there's something GREAT in general that lies out there. With the exception of my ex-husband, I've not met any other Fire Sun person who rejects the concept that there's something "greater" out there. My Leo ex absolutely, and faithfully rejects all manners of beliefs that beyonds the physical... but funny enough, he's afraid of aliens :alien::lol:

My granny didn't mind that I didn't believe in a "god," even though she herself believes in some form of God. My mother does, too. However, my mom actually showed a lot of concern that I am an atheist and doesn't like that I'm against religion. She's long feared that I've lost my way.

I don't know how to explain that the whole family escaped Catholic guilt and yet, we all went to Catholic schools. I suppose luck had something to do with it. :lol:

That was a typo; I had the Uranus in Aries transit confused with a natal planet. Draconic astrology says that I have Sun-Mercury in Aries, but that's another story all together.
HAHAHA Draconic chart shows that I'm Aqua Sun with Scorpio Moon and Cap Mars with Gemini Pluto in the 1st house. I think the chart sounds pretty cool, but I think that looks like the chart of Anti-Christ. I don't really think I'm that evil :lol::lol::lol:

I have never tried it, but find sewing, assembling and fixing things zen in a strange kind of way (Cap ASC, Venus in Virgo, Chiron in Taurus in IC, maybe). Deep down, I find working with my hands awesome because I see my creation in real time. I have yet to pursue that line of work; it's a little daunting being the only handy woman. But you never know; once I make up my mind that's it.
I like sewing too and I find that level of intricate construction really helps offset the nerves and instills a sense of patience. I think knitting is sorta a looser concentrated version of sewing. It's really easy and suggest you use wooden knitting needles if you try.

My mother has Virgo Mars, Mercury, Venus in her 1st house with Venus on her Asc (she's quite beautiful, really) and she taught me how to sew manually at 4. She use to make all my clothes for me which sounds cheesy, but then she taught me how to sew on a machine at 6. My granny never cared for that but she taught me to garden and how to take care of cats :lol::lol:

It depends because of the people that I have dealth with have been water, air and earth (in that order). When earth and water is negative, they can be very judgmental, stick in the mud and prejudice. My brother and sister-in-law (both Virgos) have hang ups like this and I don't even deal with them. Even my brother discriminates against me... The upside of earth and water is stability (earth) and emotional intelligence (water).
I've noticed that a lot of Fire people dislike Earth. My Leo mom doesn't like her Cap sister nor her Cap sister-in-law. My Leo granny doesn't her Cap daughter or Virgo sister. My Leo ex and his Aries sister didn't like their Taurus and Virgo aunt and uncle. The Aries sister-in-law disliked her Cap mother-in-law (but then again, show me a woman who loves her mother in law LOL). My Aries friend dislikes her Cap mother and threw her out...she also argues with her Cap brother-in-law the most. She swears if it was up to her, she'd axe out Capricorn as a sign :lol::lol:

That depends because I have dealt with loads of Air people who did the same exact thing. Remember that air goes wherever it wants. However, I have found Aquarius the most difficult air sign to deal with. The ones that I knew took Leo's shadow traits and ran with it. No one can tell them that they are wrong (no matter how kindly you put it) and they are only too happy to lecture on you on the pearly nuggets of their hard earned wisdom, even if you are peers. And they only want life on their terms. My ex-friend had the same birthday as Paris Hilton (eww...), Aquarius Sun-Mercury, Moon in Leo and Mars in Pisces.
Well, it's true that Air is here, there, and everywhere. We're all over the place and we know all your hiding spots :devil: but it's really mostly Gemini Air that's all over because it's mutable. Fixed Air Aqua is difficult to be cuz that's like a fart in the elevator, a punchy smell that infiltrates unwitting and unlucky victims.

Very interesting you've mentioned Aqua can take on Leo's shadow because I've always thought that Aqua wants to BE like Leo, only they do it in the wrong ways by garnering notoriety by being rebellious and shocking. Deep down inside, Aqua is really as orthodox as the pope. Like Leo, Aqua are just as afraid of be ordinary, but unlike Leo, Aqua lacks the true confidence to seek an audience. Aqua does gain some sort of fame but it's in an underhanded and indirect manner. But still Aqua is Air and despite all their dogmatic flaws, I get along with them so easily...until they explode because they want the world to change to their vision. I'm not keen on demanding people like that. Although why I say that is ironic, I grew up with so many Fire family members, esp. Leos and they are demanding. However, Aqua is just as demanding if not more impossibly so (because of the Airy idealistic component) and that's when I find Aqua disagreeable. But before that, it's fine :lol::lol:

My maternal aunt (Libra) and uncle (Aquarius) were terrible. Auntie was proud of her sexual deviances and was only too eager to "recruit" and disparaged my much younger mother (Cancer) for being a prude (Virgo ASC). She also set up my mother many times so that she could be raped and killed. Mom had loyal friends who unconditionally protected her, thank goodness. Uncle was a great kid growing up and when he got of the military, he acted like a felon. What happened? He was sexually devious too. I had twin Libra friends and one of them went through a very sexually wild phase (e.g. having sex in public). I have known some Aquariuses who are very open about the terms of their relationships. This isn't to say that Air people are all like that, but some need to guard against being dissolute by splitting themselves all across the board.
Well, I do understand what you mean. Both Libra and Aqua Sun are mucked up, which is why Aqua is in detriment and Libra is fallen. Expressions of perversions is actually known as an Air-thing. We're rather detached people, and are unhindered by any physical boundaries and so Earth cannot contain us, Fire cannot burn us because Fire needs us to keep burning, and Water cannot wash us out since Water owes part of its existence to Air. So yeah, we're the independent which gives opportunities to be looney and psychology belongs under the direction of Air (because it's a lot of intellectual theories about abstractions of the human condition). When we learn of psychology, we think of psychological issues and disorders. So that already is a tell-tale sign of Air. Also, Air in general seems to be a bit meaner in humor. I admit that I have a knives sort of sense of humor and the only other people who understand my mean sense of humor are other Air signs (esp. Aquas) and those who have a lot of Air in their chart (like a Libra Mercury or something).

I have not dealt with many Fire people. In fact, I was the only fire in my group and not a terribly exciting one at that (Cap ASC, Saturn in Libra, Mars in Cancer). But I have known a few fire types recently and you gotta watch them. The Aries types are very demanding and selfish; they'll hound you until they get their way and once they do, you are yesterday's news.
Yeah, your chart is similar to my ex-husband who is a watered down Leo. I find watered down Fire people to be agreeable, as that tames them a bit. However, Fire doesn't seem to take much to spark some sort of ROAR!!!

Yeah, I know how Aries are since 2 of them NEARLY got me arrested for harboring fugitives (them). My Aries friend who hates Caps likes to hound everyone until she gets her way. I'm the only one who says "no" to her.

They do the same out East. What you described are the ills of suburbia. Reminds me of some Pet Shop Boys' old music with toxic descriptions of smaller city life. The parts of the country that have been urbanized for a long time have a tougher skin as part of their collective identity, but the regions of the country that are now becoming urbanized are still more provincial and Victorian in their outlook. It will take them decades to catch on, if they ever do.

I was like that in my teens and 20's and now that I am 30+ I am becoming more increasingly drawn to rural life as a means to detach myself from the rein of corporations and the government. My politics is changing too. Some days I don't know who or what I am becoming. It's not like I am turning into anybody in my family.

The thought of raising farm animals, growing my own food and building my own home is awesome. Being an Angeleno means that I cannot reconcile living in a rural place with closed attitudes. That's been my challenge.

When I was in my teens and 20s, I was in woodsy/rural places for school and after I finished, I move back to CA because my Leo wanted us to come back to where we were from. By all accounts, New England was not suitable for my ex, as he can't stand the people being overly surly and direct. I don't like surly people, but I don't mind it, however I am at home with direct types. I dislike passive aggressiveness but that's what my ex preferred and I didn't mind making accommodations for him. My ex got tired of living in SF and wanted to chuck it out and run off to the middle of nowhere and be a mechanic and I can run an inn. I liked that idea, but I wanted to do that in LA and he hated LA, even though he married an Angeleno :lol: I couldn't imagine going to truly a middle of nowhere place. In my mind, the middle of nowhere is like somewhere in the San Fernando Valley or worse, the San Gabriel Valley. I didn't think my ex meant it literally.

Basically, I understand what you're going through. Although I think it'll be harder for me than for you, since you didn't grow up in LA and so you escaped some of the diva damage that LA would have inflicted on you had you stayed. I cannot live in a small minded sort of place. I dislike provincial personalities and I need to be around people who have some finesse and fabulousness in their lives, not track homes and diapers. YUCK.

kailaniatsea
02-11-2014, 09:44 AM
Oh, boy... I can really b!tch about all the horrid Midwesterners destroying LA's kitchy ethnic ways with their weird anti-social mannerisms and the fact that they're so homogenous that they don't know what it's like to be around those who are very mixed that they create a new white haven for themselves over in West LA and are extremely snobby and condescending towards everyone else as if they own the place.They come to LA to "make it" and seek out fame and think that they since they got away from their middle of nowhere sh!tty town and landed in a "big city" like LA that they are somehow elevated. I love the fact that LA kills their dogmas and send a lot of them packing.

When I came back to LA, my friends were still there. It's really ironic, because all my friends in LA are Angelenos and they WANT nothing better than to leave LA behind because they're also tired of seeing how LA got destroyed 1000x over being whitewashed.

This is so sad and terrible! :w00t: I guess my 80's Miami days weren't so bad after all, even if they were like Spanish speaking version of Miami Vice. Those were scary, yet exciting days!

Yeah, I know AZ is super racist, cuz I'm there now. I can't even f*cking believe that I left my super cheap apartment in LA to come to AZ but it's because I wanted to be closer to my mother. I've been on my own since I was 17 and after roaming around the world for 15 years, the only words I can say is that I longed to crawl into my mother's lap and cry. It sounds weird and sappy, but she may not be around much longer because she has an active disease that can turn just whenever and I don't want to be 400 miles away if she kicks the bucket. If it was any other reason, I'd NEVER give up LA, because LA is like my IC, it's my genesis.

I completely understand; your Pisces Moon in the 6th will eventually make you teary eyed and feel dutiful. Saturn in Libra may also stir the strings of conscience as a means to make peace (Libra), regardless of who is right or wrong. That and she is your mother no matter what :innocent:. I hope that she finds relief. Though I wouldn't call myself an herbalist, turmeric and tulsi (aka Holy Basil) work wonders. One helps for pain, hypertension and diabetes while the other one is an adaptogenic which doubles as a anti-anxiety. I guess my Earth grand trine (ASC, IC, Chiron and Venus) helps me to better get in touch with the natural world. Mustard seed oil is great for massages, the skin and hair as it is rich in vitamin E and has a warming ability not unlike capsaicin. My Taurus IC has made me feel out of place and unstable. I have lived in many water and fire places (born in L.A.). The closest thing to earth that I lived in was New England (quaint villages, farm land and lush greenery).

Yeah, I spent quite some time growing up in the East Coast, too. Looking back on it, I suppose my "meanness" is rooted on the East Coast where the weather is a bit extreme (too hot and muggy in the summers and too icy during the winters), the people are extreme themselves- you get hyper aggressive Irish and Italians or you get passive aggressive Brits. My ex-husband's origins lies with passive aggressive Brits :lol:.

I only know too well (knocking out foot long icicles and intense personalities) and speaking of climate extremes, surviving Hurricane Sandy, a post-apocalyptic nightmare (right around the cardinal T-square with Saturn in Libra, Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Capricorn) was awful. That's why I came back West :sad:.

Actually, no not most Californians. Only in a few areas there's diverse mixing, but it's rather separate- most of the Asians stay with the Asians and specifically their own group, blacks with blacks, Armenians with Armenians, and even amongst the Latino groups, they prefer to stay with their own like Mexicans prefer other Mexicans, etc.

Ugh, and we used to have a melting pot, not mosaic (to paraphrase Canadians)

LA actually holds that distinction that I've noticed those who are minorities will hangout with other minorities, but whites will only be around other whites and it's actually an unspoken thing. Even in dating, white guys will say they don't want girl that's not white. It's one thing to have a preference, and be mindful and seek out what you want, but it's another thing to announce out loud to be condescending towards those who don't racially fit your standards. LA use to not be so segregationist but the heavy influx of Midwesterners makes it so.

Say it isn't so :w00t:. That wasn't the L.A. that we left behind. How horrible how a small group of people can take a place downhill quick. Now I see why there is a lack of musical diversity out of L.A. these days, which was uncharacteristically odd. It's all so fragmented. In the 90's commercially, there was sooo much SoCal music regardless of genre and now we get reality TV show singers and a few acts that bubble over. The segregation would explain why. We should pull up an L.A. chart to see what transits she's going through...

I always wondered why Leos demand respect all the time. It's one of those vocab words that must be ingrained in the Leo sign. My mom and granny are the same way- they command respect LOL when I think it's really hilarious. Respect to me means nothing unless it's shown through actions and that takes a long time. But Gemini is not known to demand much and we're rather careless and easy going when it comes to dealing with others...

It's an innate thing for us; I can't explain why. For me, it's like an honor code, sort of like no snitching (maybe my Sco MC). The Gemini's that I have known don't really care given their fluidity and grace. They fly like butterflies and apparently adapt easily to new and foreign situations.

Actually, I consider Pisces Moon the punching bag for all the signs. The reason why Pisces Moon suffer is because they are so innately sensitive and get startled by pretty much everything. Pisces is not a sign known to have any boundaries, if anything, they have complete lack of boundaries so it would be easy for other signs, one of more domineering presence to manipulate Pisces.

Pisces is greatly misunderstood and maligned. Mom always told me that sharks are fish too. She has Mars in Pisces in her DC (Pisces too). Though Pisces is gentle, it has a nasty bite (think electric eels and jellyfish) if people mess with them. Thankfully, your Gemini and Saturn ASC keeps you from allowing the potentially self-destructive aspects of this moon to overtake you, even though your Moon sits in the 6th. Your Saturn in ASC and Pluto in Libra acts as a detached (Air) gatekeeper in order to keep the bad people away or else you'd become lox for the unscrupulous.

I use to suffer a lot as a youngster and having Saturn oppose my Moon is no cakewalk. But I learned to let the flood gates open and allow the raging waters to come busting though. I find it actually soothes me to allow that, simply because, well, I'd rather deal with it than implode. Of course, a lot of people have complained and felt like my Pisces Moon floods the whole place and I can't really blame them. But I'd rather flood the whole place than feel like I'm alone drowning in an underwater torture chamber.

Emotions are never easy, but the problem with the 6th is that in a way they are perpetually trying to stay afloat and rise above since they and underneath the DC. Having a Sag moon in the 12th can sometimes feel watery, but I have the tendency to exaggerate (Sag) my emotions (quincunx Mars in Cancer and DC) as a means of release and strangely enough, defense. It isn't manipulation because I genuinely do feel, but sometimes do not wish to reveal my abstract reasons for feeling a certain way (12th house) and would rather focus on more conventional emotions such as longing, sadness and regret (Cancer). Sometimes my sadness is a coverup for anger as a means to not burn anybody, but I have embraced my temper as it forces me to action.


No, I don't believe in reincarnation. She's still alive, for one :lol:
Good thing that she is still with us!

I was taught by my astrologer teacher that much like genetic material, natal charts are "genetic" too. Parents pass on traits of their charts to their children.

I had to pause on that one because my mother was born with Pluto in Leo conjunct Jupiter in the 12th. As her youngest child, I was born with Sun in Leo with Moon in Sagittarius in the 12th. Though that is not a perfect manifestation, she always told me that I changed (Pluto) her life. My great grandmother was a Sagittarius and plenty kooky once she lost her marbles. I was going in her same direction (poor thing) and Mom pulled me out of that.

My Leo granny with the Aqua Saturn on her AC, all her children have dignified Saturn from the oldest 2 both have Libra Saturn to the youngest 2 who have Cap and Aqua. Only my silly mother who's in the middle and is the black sheep of the family has peregrine Saturn and she was out of all the kids, the one that received the least attention from my granny. The one who received the most attention were the 2 with Libra Saturn, and the youngest one with Aqua Saturn. My granny only has 3 grandkids (including me) and by far, I am the favorite because I am most like her with exalted Saturn on the AC. The other 2 do not have dignified Saturn and she doesn't care for them (even if they're younger than me).

Your family charts are more connected than mine. Astrologically speaking, Mom is my only family. My Venus is conjunct her ASC, natal Moon sits in her IC. Mom's natal moon (Aries) is in the same sign as my Draconic Sun and Mercury. My natal Mars conjoins her Sun. She really gets worked up when we hang out.

I think, as oddly as this sounds, Fire is the element that is least likely to be agonistic/atheist. Fire is fueled by desire and belief that they are not only great, but there's something GREAT in general that lies out there. With the exception of my ex-husband, I've not met any other Fire Sun person who rejects the concept that there's something "greater" out there. My Leo ex absolutely, and faithfully rejects all manners of beliefs that beyonds the physical... but funny enough, he's afraid of aliens :alien::lol:

There is the exception to every rule, but the part about aliens had me ROFL! My brother claimed to have seen a few alien ships in SoCal back in the day.

My granny didn't mind that I didn't believe in a "god," even though she herself believes in some form of God. My mother does, too. However, my mom actually showed a lot of concern that I am an atheist and doesn't like that I'm against religion. She's long feared that I've lost my way.

Your mom being a Leo may explain her concerns given that fire is spirit. She may perceive that you have lost that part of yourself. Sometimes these philosophical differences could be more of a generational thing since girls are usually expected to be more religious than boys.

I don't know how to explain that the whole family escaped Catholic guilt and yet, we all went to Catholic schools. I suppose luck had something to do with it. :lol:

No, it's your Saturn in ASC; they are very skeptical (you have Cap in IC). It's hard to get you to believe anything unless it feels tangible (earth) to you.

HAHAHA Draconic chart shows that I'm Aqua Sun with Scorpio Moon and Cap Mars with Gemini Pluto in the 1st house. I think the chart sounds pretty cool, but I think that looks like the chart of Anti-Christ. I don't really think I'm that evil :lol::lol::lol:

Maybe devilishly humorous, lol. The Gem Pluto and Sco Moon could explain the manipulation of authority desire to spread information as a means of change ans assistance (positive Aquarius). Since Draconic charts serve as the undercurrents of your Tropical signs. My Draconic planets read a little like this: Virgo ASC, Aries Sun-Mercury (combust), Moon-Neptune in Leo, Venus in Taurus and Mars in Pisces. The Draconic better explains my temper (Aries Sun-Mercury combust square in Uranus in Cancer).

I like sewing too and I find that level of intricate construction really helps offset the nerves and instills a sense of patience. I think knitting is sorta a looser concentrated version of sewing. It's really easy and suggest you use wooden knitting needles if you try.

My mother has Virgo Mars, Mercury, Venus in her 1st house with Venus on her Asc (she's quite beautiful, really) and she taught me how to sew manually at 4. She use to make all my clothes for me which sounds cheesy, but then she taught me how to sew on a machine at 6. My granny never cared for that but she taught me to garden and how to take care of cats :lol::lol:

Awesome :biggrin:. Your mother's strong Virgo explains her expert handy work. They make great craftspeople and designers.

I've noticed that a lot of Fire people dislike Earth. She swears if it was up to her, she'd axe out Capricorn as a sign :lol::lol:

LOL!

Well, it's true that Air is here, there, and everywhere. We're all over the place and we know all your hiding spots :devil: but it's really mostly Gemini Air that's all over because it's mutable. Fixed Air Aqua is difficult to be cuz that's like a fart in the elevator, a punchy smell that infiltrates unwitting and unlucky victims.

:sick: :tongue: Great and funny description there!

Very interesting you've mentioned Aqua can take on Leo's shadow because I've always thought that Aqua wants to BE like Leo, only they do it in the wrong ways by garnering notoriety by being rebellious and shocking. Deep down inside, Aqua is really as orthodox as the pope. Like Leo, Aqua are just as afraid of be ordinary, but unlike Leo, Aqua lacks the true confidence to seek an audience. Aqua does gain some sort of fame but it's in an underhanded and indirect manner. But still Aqua is Air and despite all their dogmatic flaws, I get along with them so easily...until they explode because they want the world to change to their vision. I'm not keen on demanding people like that. Although why I say that is ironic, I grew up with so many Fire family members, esp. Leos and they are demanding. However, Aqua is just as demanding if not more impossibly so (because of the Airy idealistic component) and that's when I find Aqua disagreeable. But before that, it's fine :lol::lol:

You said what I thought but couldn't elucidate so articulately.

Well, I do understand what you mean. Both Libra and Aqua Sun are mucked up, which is why Aqua is in detriment and Libra is fallen. Expressions of perversions is actually known as an Air-thing. We're rather detached people, and are unhindered by any physical boundaries and so Earth cannot contain us, Fire cannot burn us because Fire needs us to keep burning, and Water cannot wash us out since Water owes part of its existence to Air. So yeah, we're the independent which gives opportunities to be looney and psychology belongs under the direction of Air (because it's a lot of intellectual theories about abstractions of the human condition). When we learn of psychology, we think of psychological issues and disorders. So that already is a tell-tale sign of Air. Also, Air in general seems to be a bit meaner in humor. I admit that I have a knives sort of sense of humor and the only other people who understand my mean sense of humor are other Air signs (esp. Aquas) and those who have a lot of Air in their chart (like a Libra Mercury or something).

I see, very fascinating. Airs can make me feel uneasy because I want what is tangible and they make no conditions. I don't hold it against them, but after a while it destabilizes me.

Yeah, your chart is similar to my ex-husband who is a watered down Leo. I find watered down Fire people to be agreeable, as that tames them a bit. However, Fire doesn't seem to take much to spark some sort of ROAR!!!

This is accurate.

Yeah, I know how Aries are since 2 of them NEARLY got me arrested for harboring fugitives (them). My Aries friend who hates Caps likes to hound everyone until she gets her way. I'm the only one who says "no" to her.

Negative fire can produce violent criminals.

When I was in my teens and 20s, I was in woodsy/rural places for school and after I finished, I move back to CA because my Leo wanted us to come back to where we were from. By all accounts, New England was not suitable for my ex, as he can't stand the people being overly surly and direct. I don't like surly people, but I don't mind it, however I am at home with direct types. I dislike passive aggressiveness but that's what my ex preferred and I didn't mind making accommodations for him. My ex got tired of living in SF and wanted to chuck it out and run off to the middle of nowhere and be a mechanic and I can run an inn. I liked that idea, but I wanted to do that in LA and he hated LA, even though he married an Angeleno :lol: I couldn't imagine going to truly a middle of nowhere place. In my mind, the middle of nowhere is like somewhere in the San Fernando Valley or worse, the San Gabriel Valley. I didn't think my ex meant it literally.

What was he thinking, the Mississippi Delta? Tee, hee. Since we have a similar chart, I can understand how he wanted to come up the hero (Leo) and change the impossible. Unfortunately, life is unlike the movies where there is no happy ending, director yelling "cut!" or reciting your lines for the next scene. The Hollywood metaphor was intended.

Basically, I understand what you're going through. Although I think it'll be harder for me than for you, since you didn't grow up in LA and so you escaped some of the diva damage that LA would have inflicted on you had you stayed. I cannot live in a small minded sort of place. I dislike provincial personalities and I need to be around people who have some finesse and fabulousness in their lives, not track homes and diapers. YUCK.

It sounds like L.A. would have combusted me. I don't handle egos well because I keep mines in check. So if a Leo can do it, so can a Pisces Sun (or whatever sign). Since childhood, I have been inclined towards service (Virgo Venus; volunteer and charity) and animals (Virgo too). Too much "me" culture may have made me more cynical and bitter (Cap ASC).

Nacho
02-11-2014, 11:01 PM
Never act just according to a transit. The natal chart is way more important than any transit.

emily23
02-12-2014, 12:18 AM
I have it natally. Uranus in Aries is also transiting my Sun right now. I'm fighting a strong urge to get up and move to a new city and basically leave all remnants of my past (current job, old "friends," etc.) behind. I just want something new, and I'm frustrated at how long the process is taking.

In general, I find squares to the Sun really hard to deal with--more so than squares to the moon or other planets. Perhaps it's because squares to the Sun seem more conscious? The Sun is supposed to be our conscious will, I suppose. Squares often make me feel like I'm consciously doubting myself every time I try to live up to my Sun sign (Aries). Frustrating and annoying to say the least. :annoyed:

I've always found squares to sun are test of character but more importantly learning about yourself,and pushing you to do something about anything that's bothering you and what you need to do to move on or find conciliation/peace with, in time, as these transits take a while and then its the after effect and then the assimilation and analysis, of course the different planets give it all a different flavour, but all works out in the end, it always does..remember all the times you were struggling petrified worried down whatever etc and it worked out ok, it always does,take care

may28gemini
02-12-2014, 02:57 AM
I completely understand; your Pisces Moon in the 6th will eventually make you teary eyed and feel dutiful. Saturn in Libra may also stir the strings of conscience as a means to make peace (Libra), regardless of who is right or wrong. That and she is your mother no matter what :innocent:. I hope that she finds relief. Though I wouldn't call myself an herbalist, turmeric and tulsi (aka Holy Basil) work wonders. One helps for pain, hypertension and diabetes while the other one is an adaptogenic which doubles as a anti-anxiety. I guess my Earth grand trine (ASC, IC, Chiron and Venus) helps me to better get in touch with the natural world. Mustard seed oil is great for massages, the skin and hair as it is rich in vitamin E and has a warming ability not unlike capsaicin. My Taurus IC has made me feel out of place and unstable. I have lived in many water and fire places (born in L.A.). The closest thing to earth that I lived in was New England (quaint villages, farm land and lush greenery).
The chart of Los Angeles from the 1600s has it as Virgo Sun with Cap Mars. The chart of Los Angeles being incorporated is excessively Aries Fire and Air void. I consider the incorporation chart to be more accurate of the essence of what LA really is.



Ugh, and we used to have a melting pot, not mosaic (to paraphrase Canadians)

Say it isn't so :w00t:. That wasn't the L.A. that we left behind. How horrible how a small group of people can take a place downhill quick. Now I see why there is a lack of musical diversity out of L.A. these days, which was uncharacteristically odd. It's all so fragmented. In the 90's commercially, there was sooo much SoCal music regardless of genre and now we get reality TV show singers and a few acts that bubble over. The segregation would explain why. We should pull up an L.A. chart to see what transits she's going through...
Trust me, I was extremely shocked when I came back to LA in 2011 and I was like, "Ummm... LA was NEVER super clean and there's too many white people whitewashing the place. And since when did Culver City NOT have trash on its sidewalks?! And why the heck does it cost an arm and a leg to live in Echo Park and Hollywood when those were places that NO one would ever want to live even if they were paid to do so!"

I worked for a big network as a production assistant and virtually everyone was from the middle of nowhere and acted like they made it because they're in LA. My Aries friend who hates Capricorns also worked in a different part, not as a production assistant, but she hated being around TV people. More so, she hated Midwesterners like I do. I guess when you're from a place that has a big reputation, it's hard to see why people come clamoring in and feeding the stereotype. One of the Aries' brother-in-laws is a network exec so that's how she got in. I got in because of my school alumni thing... one of the persons from the alumni association was a personal friend of one of the writers and got me in. People don't realize how hard it really is to make it in LA if you're not somehow connected.

It's an innate thing for us; I can't explain why. For me, it's like an honor code, sort of like no snitching (maybe my Sco MC). The Gemini's that I have known don't really care given their fluidity and grace. They fly like butterflies and apparently adapt easily to new and foreign situations.
I know. My mother was roaring about that today, pretty much as soon as I woke up. I let her go on and on, and after nearly an hour later, I was like, "What brought this on in the first place?" She said, "I don't trust my husband so I don't want to get with a man who won't respect you."

:annoyed: I said, "Don't worry mom. I hate people and as soon as I win the lotto, I'm going to bolt myself up on a luxurious houseboat and will never have to interact with people and won't run the risk of disrespect again. If they do, I'll drown them." She looked at me not amused, "Stop being morbid." :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, Gemini doesn't give a rat's a$$ about "respect." We're too busy rolling our eyes and leaving people in the dust to care :lol::lol::lol:

Pisces is greatly misunderstood and maligned. Mom always told me that sharks are fish too. She has Mars in Pisces in her DC (Pisces too). Though Pisces is gentle, it has a nasty bite (think electric eels and jellyfish) if people mess with them. Thankfully, your Gemini and Saturn ASC keeps you from allowing the potentially self-destructive aspects of this moon to overtake you, even though your Moon sits in the 6th. Your Saturn in ASC and Pluto in Libra acts as a detached (Air) gatekeeper in order to keep the bad people away or else you'd become lox for the unscrupulous.
Yes, she's right. Although my knives sort of emotional expressions is not out of maliciousness, but rather, it comes out when I'm being pushed. I despise those who want to dominate and contain me (as a general thing) so those with bossiness can rub me the wrong way. But my watery explosions is due to the fact that my Moon is in Mars' term and decan, by which my Moon actually sextile Mars exactly.

The combo of limitless Air Sun with limitless Water Moon creates a person who's not all that easy to control and what's worse is that my Moon can flood and destroy the whole place if I want it too. Most of the time I contain my emotions, but if pushed, things will get soaking wet around me.

True that Saturn on the AC helps as the gatekeeper, an austere one too, but I've not ever been in dangerous situation where I could be lox. It's really the opposite, and my Moon really can hold its own when it comes to going head to head with others because I'm not all that "safe" of a person anyway and I can turn from a guppy to a shark. It probably doesn't really help that I have Pluto in the 1st house cuz I think those kinds of people are internal ticking time bombs if they're challenge. Heh. I've done some pretty mean and vicious things and really get pure pleasure from retaliation (like gotten people fired, taint their reputations, etc.). I don't get afraid of sharks cuz I can swim with them and most of all, I can be one of them. :lol::lol::lol:

Emotions are never easy, but the problem with the 6th is that in a way they are perpetually trying to stay afloat and rise above since they and underneath the DC. Having a Sag moon in the 12th can sometimes feel watery, but I have the tendency to exaggerate (Sag) my emotions (quincunx Mars in Cancer and DC) as a means of release and strangely enough, defense. It isn't manipulation because I genuinely do feel, but sometimes do not wish to reveal my abstract reasons for feeling a certain way (12th house) and would rather focus on more conventional emotions such as longing, sadness and regret (Cancer). Sometimes my sadness is a coverup for anger as a means to not burn anybody, but I have embraced my temper as it forces me to action.
I have late Pisces Moon so it's nearing the 7th house, but it's true that my Moon does often feel "submerged." I've attributed that to my Moon being in the house of Mercury (traditionally Mercury rules 6th house) and my Mercury squares Moon. Mercury sort of keeps my Moon in the background and edits it. Meanwhile, Saturn gags the Moon by opposing it. My Moon really isn't spared much slack in my chart, given that it's very Airy.

Moon in the 12th is difficult bc the 12th likes to blur boundaries and dilute.

I had to pause on that one because my mother was born with Pluto in Leo conjunct Jupiter in the 12th. As her youngest child, I was born with Sun in Leo with Moon in Sagittarius in the 12th. Though that is not a perfect manifestation, she always told me that I changed (Pluto) her life. My great grandmother was a Sagittarius and plenty kooky once she lost her marbles. I was going in her same direction (poor thing) and Mom pulled me out of that.
Well, I mean people pass their planets and signs to their children, but may not be exact the same signs of the planets. An example of this is my mother has Virgo Mercury and so does my granny. I have Gemini Mercury but no one on either my mother's side or my dad's side have Gemini or even remotely come to it. However, Gemini is domicile for Mercury, as is Virgo. By that, I would say, my mother and granny gave me my domiciled Mercury.

I have Earth Mars (Taurus). People on my father's side are heavily Air Mars... (kinda weird), even my dad (Libra, also in detriment). However, my mother has Earth Mars (Virgo), so I'm assuming she passed it down for me to have Earth Mars, but because my father's Mars is in detriment, I consider my father passing down the detriment portion of his Mars to me so the combo is that I have Earth detriment Mars.

There are things that parents can pass onto their kids outright. My mom has 1║ Libra Jupiter and I have 0║ Libra Jupiter. I have Pisces Moon from my mother because she also has Pisces Moon. I've grown up seeing my mother "flooding" the house. It's freaking scary, but I'm also responsible for my abilities to "flood" too.

Those are just some examples of how parents pass stuff onto their kids.

Your family charts are more connected than mine. Astrologically speaking, Mom is my only family. My Venus is conjunct her ASC, natal Moon sits in her IC. Mom's natal moon (Aries) is in the same sign as my Draconic Sun and Mercury. My natal Mars conjoins her Sun. She really gets worked up when we hang out.
It's possible that if you investigate charts of cousins, uncles, aunts, that they're share portions of your chart.

There is the exception to every rule, but the part about aliens had me ROFL! My brother claimed to have seen a few alien ships in SoCal back in the day.
:lol::lol::lol:I know, that gets me all the time. He's exceptionally rational and he doesn't want't use to get all worked up about me reading daily horoscopes and laughing about it. Even though I don't take anything seriously, he didn't like that I entertained astrology which runs counter to us being atheists. But then I'd pretend to read the news and say, "A local 25-year-old architect got kidnapped by hungry, hungry aliens and was instructed that if he doesn't make the best spaghetti dish they've ever had in the entire Milky Way Galaxy, he's going end up as a meatball." :lol::lol::lol:

Your mom being a Leo may explain her concerns given that fire is spirit. She may perceive that you have lost that part of yourself. Sometimes these philosophical differences could be more of a generational thing since girls are usually expected to be more religious than boys.
You do have a point that maybe girls are expected to be more belief based but my family has always known me to be more logic based. I think my mom's Fire really does lead her to believe that I lack something, which is belief of something greater. My dad has Grand Air Kite... Aqua Moon, Libra Mars, Gemini Jupiter all lead by bossy Leo Pluto and he's pretty indifferent towards what I believe, despite having 4 Scorpio planets including Sun.

No, it's your Saturn in ASC; they are very skeptical (you have Cap in IC). It's hard to get you to believe anything unless it feels tangible (earth) to you.
Could be. Could also be my Gemini Mercury conjunct MC. I suspect it's a combo of both. Even if Saturn and Mercury trine by signs, they square by aspect and I think that makes me extra skeptical.

Maybe devilishly humorous, lol. The Gem Pluto and Sco Moon could explain the manipulation of authority desire to spread information as a means of change ans assistance (positive Aquarius). Since Draconic charts serve as the undercurrents of your Tropical signs. My Draconic planets read a little like this: Virgo ASC, Aries Sun-Mercury (combust), Moon-Neptune in Leo, Venus in Taurus and Mars in Pisces. The Draconic better explains my temper (Aries Sun-Mercury combust square in Uranus in Cancer).
If Draconic charts are meant to explain the undercurrent of my tropical chart, well, that's super f*cking scary cuz my Draconic chart is really evil :lol::lol::lol: I am very mischievous but not to the point of being a psychotic, schismatic anarchist.

I see, very fascinating. Airs can make me feel uneasy because I want what is tangible and they make no conditions. I don't hold it against them, but after a while it destabilizes me.

Yes, Air is rather a "disturbing" and unhinged element because it's just there... and nothing can change it. It's really up to Air's discretion as to which way it turns and how it behaves so the independence is very satisfying, but also could easily get perverted because there's no structure.

What was he thinking, the Mississippi Delta? Tee, hee. Since we have a similar chart, I can understand how he wanted to come up the hero (Leo) and change the impossible. Unfortunately, life is unlike the movies where there is no happy ending, director yelling "cut!" or reciting your lines for the next scene. The Hollywood metaphor was intended.
I think he wanted to go somewhere like in a woodsy, less populated place in more Northern California or somewhere in Oregon, possibly Washington. We were going to set up a little mechanic shop and Inn because we figured that's the best thing we can do for work and when we have kids, we can have them near us. Plus, having free labor would be great :lol::lol::lol:

The combo would have been perfect for our personalities because he's rather a hermit and like working with his hands. When we were 20, he did a motor swap from start to bottom in his garage and yeah, the car ran really well LOL As for me, I like socially interacting with people for money transactions and doing some sort of service. We'd be able to have kids and raise them under our watchful eyes so they don't get corrupted by pop culture.

It sounds like L.A. would have combusted me. I don't handle egos well because I keep mines in check. So if a Leo can do it, so can a Pisces Sun (or whatever sign). Since childhood, I have been inclined towards service (Virgo Venus; volunteer and charity) and animals (Virgo too). Too much "me" culture may have made me more cynical and bitter (Cap ASC).
Oh... I don't know about that. Angelenos who grew up in LA aren't exactly egotistical... but a bit on the 'faster' side and we're a bit more on the clever and not so lawful side. It's really the outsiders who are egotistical.

kailaniatsea
02-14-2014, 10:12 PM
The chart of Los Angeles from the 1600s has it as Virgo Sun with Cap Mars. The chart of Los Angeles being incorporated is excessively Aries Fire and Air void. I consider the incorporation chart to be more accurate of the essence of what LA really is.

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head of the latter. That would explain the me-me attitude (Aries) be it from within or outside, the absolute conviction that they are destined to be something special (Fire) and superficial culture (Air). But I can understand how new (Aries) concepts (Air) through various forms of media (Air) took off in L.A. The Aries with Air may explain the gang culture, to an extent, at least given that Fire and Air can signify young people, rebellious and angry at that.

I checked out Miami's incorporation date and it explains a whole lot...A stellium of planets (e.g. Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter) cusping 9th (Cancer)/10th (Leo) houses. This would explain all of the foreigners looking to get their shine on...I did a noontime birth. Their ASC is Scorpio with Saturn and Uranus on the cusp opposing Mars in Taurus on the DC. No wonder I always get an antagonistic vibe over there. I guess they really can't help it. Their Moon is in Pisces in the 5th, which kind of explains the success of the drug and maritime trade, as well as its really high highs and really low lows. But, there are a lot of spiritual undertakings there too, even if it may be unconventional (e.g. Santeria). Miami Beach was incorporated on March 26, 1915. They have Cancer ASC with Neptune and Moon in Leo there. That explains the welcoming and assortment of diverse groups of people there. The Leo Moon explains the physiculture. They have a stellium of Aqua-Pisc planets in the 8th house. I guess the sexual and illicit implications of these planets are self-explanatory.

Trust me, I was extremely shocked when I came back to LA in 2011 and I was like, "Ummm... LA was NEVER super clean and there's too many white people whitewashing the place. And since when did Culver City NOT have trash on its sidewalks?! And why the heck does it cost an arm and a leg to live in Echo Park and Hollywood when those were places that NO one would ever want to live even if they were paid to do so!"

Something similar began to happen in Miami Beach in the mid-1990's. As a child, I lived in what is now South Beach and it was not the place to be. It wasn't all "bad", but I distinctly remember all of the colorful spiders that used to give me the creeps in my backyard every humid morning. I skirted around them. But my mother and grandmother were compassionate enough to not kill the spiders and I followed suit. I learned early on that they eat bugs so I gave way and tolerated them. They warned me of little snakes that camouflaged in the grass they called "three minutes" because the poison was that deadly. I said to myself, "Oh, this is NOT California." As the years passed on, I no longer saw these little friends. Where did they go, was what I thought.

In the mid-to late 1980's there was an assortment of punks, street kids, outcasts, beach bums from outside (be it the US or abroad), elderly retirees from the East Coast and whatever else the sea brought in. Then in the early 1990's they courted celebrities and models in order to establish a hip club scene and turn Sobe (South Beach) into a world class destination. That killed the fun community spirit. Crime also went up exponentially and tourists became the targets of blood thirsty criminals. The last time that I was down there in 2011, I saw that what is now the city of Miami Beach was neglected in favor of Sobe. They catered to the tourists and ignore the locals. While L.A. got whitewashed, Miami became snooty with the influx of Latin American, European and Canadian yuppies. There was also a dichotomy between them and the Caribbeans (e.g. Haitians, Jamaicans and other islands) These groups of people are not new in South Florida, it's just that the blue collar/indie vibe went out the door. Suddenly, if you didn't look like an aspiring model, you weren't good enough. Keep in mind that Miami was always about looking good, but things were taken over the top with the introduction of new plastic surgery technology and doting on the models.

I worked for a big network as a production assistant and virtually everyone was from the middle of nowhere and acted like they made it because they're in LA. My Aries friend who hates Capricorns also worked in a different part, not as a production assistant, but she hated being around TV people. More so, she hated Midwesterners like I do. I guess when you're from a place that has a big reputation, it's hard to see why people come clamoring in and feeding the stereotype. One of the Aries' brother-in-laws is a network exec so that's how she got in. I got in because of my school alumni thing... one of the persons from the alumni association was a personal friend of one of the writers and got me in. People don't realize how hard it really is to make it in LA if you're not somehow connected.

Something similar occurs here in Las Vegas with people thinking that they made it here and get blinded with the flashing neon lights. They are beautiful, but there's more to life. I moved here for work reasons and never got caught up with gambling, in fact, the most I pony up is $5. I'll spend more on a glass of wine because I actually get a buzz and appreciate the taste. On another note, the crony system applies here since this becomes a small town quick. You work at one casino and meet up with some of your ex- co-workers. Now that you mention alumni, at some point I might have to consider relocating close (Intermountain Region) to where I obtained my degree which is rural Oregon. This is something that I have been dragging my feet on. Not being connected to UNLV has its disadvantages. I still get work, but don't have the same consideration. However, it was cool to go to school in the wilderness.

I know. My mother was roaring about that today, pretty much as soon as I woke up. I let her go on and on, and after nearly an hour later, I was like, "What brought this on in the first place?" She said, "I don't trust my husband so I don't want to get with a man who won't respect you."

:annoyed: I said, "Don't worry mom. I hate people and as soon as I win the lotto, I'm going to bolt myself up on a luxurious houseboat and will never have to interact with people and won't run the risk of disrespect again. If they do, I'll drown them." She looked at me not amused, "Stop being morbid." :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, Gemini doesn't give a rat's a$$ about "respect." We're too busy rolling our eyes and leaving people in the dust to care :lol::lol::lol:

I had a bit of a ROFL moment when you mentioned the houseboat, though I am fully aware of the reasons why you feel this way. Some humans...

Yes, she's right. Although my knives sort of emotional expressions is not out of maliciousness, but rather, it comes out when I'm being pushed. I despise those who want to dominate and contain me (as a general thing) so those with bossiness can rub me the wrong way. But my watery explosions is due to the fact that my Moon is in Mars' term and decan, by which my Moon actually sextile Mars exactly.

The combo of limitless Air Sun with limitless Water Moon creates a person who's not all that easy to control and what's worse is that my Moon can flood and destroy the whole place if I want it too. Most of the time I contain my emotions, but if pushed, things will get soaking wet around me.

True that Saturn on the AC helps as the gatekeeper, an austere one too, but I've not ever been in dangerous situation where I could be lox. It's really the opposite, and my Moon really can hold its own when it comes to going head to head with others because I'm not all that "safe" of a person anyway and I can turn from a guppy to a shark. It probably doesn't really help that I have Pluto in the 1st house cuz I think those kinds of people are internal ticking time bombs if they're challenge. Heh. I've done some pretty mean and vicious things and really get pure pleasure from retaliation (like gotten people fired, taint their reputations, etc.). I don't get afraid of sharks cuz I can swim with them and most of all, I can be one of them. :lol::lol::lol:

That's good that you are strong enough to handle yourself. When I'm with a group of people or with family, I am pretty peaceful and docile (I hate that). I never had a group mentality where I feel stronger in company, quite the opposite. Perhaps this is why I am a loner (Cap ASC); that makes me feel stronger. When I'm alone, I am not so nice. I have done my share of "bad" things to defend myself, but it always causes me internal turmoil because I never want for things to get that far and get sad about it (Mars in Cancer). When I calculated my natal using Koch houses, it shows that my Sun-Mercury actually sits in the 8th with the Uranus MC square. That better explains my life and experiences. If I was so 7th house, I would have been married already and my Leo would be more prominent. In some ways, my pride and joy are connected with the 8th house (e.g. investigation, probing into dark matters and the supernatural). My Cancer DC really wants to be peaceful, but Mars square Pluto/Saturn/Jupiter there can make me attack from an emotional place to balance (Libra) things.

I have late Pisces Moon so it's nearing the 7th house, but it's true that my Moon does often feel "submerged." I've attributed that to my Moon being in the house of Mercury (traditionally Mercury rules 6th house) and my Mercury squares Moon. Mercury sort of keeps my Moon in the background and edits it. Meanwhile, Saturn gags the Moon by opposing it. My Moon really isn't spared much slack in my chart, given that it's very Airy. Moon in the 12th is difficult bc the 12th likes to blur boundaries and dilute.

We both have our challenges and can appreciate how you struggle to stay afloat. Sometimes my emotions do feel all over the place. The way that I experience this dilution is my embracing and understanding of other culture's philosophies. I blurred the notion of the boundaries of thought, much to the confusion of others. Some people would tell me, "I am XYZ ethnicity and this is our culture. We do things a certain way." I could never understand that and looked beyond what I was raised with in order to better understand the world and myself.

Interestingly, Moon is conjunct Neptune which is at home. But Jupiter (and Saturn) is in the 9th, also at home, and forms a quintile with Moon-Neptune. I do believe that I have been lucky and saved from a lot of horrible things in spite of my challenges. This is what keeps me optimistic. I had a blood condition as a toddler that could have become complicated and killed me, and here I am 30 years later. My travels have met with peace generally speaking.

Well, I mean people pass their planets and signs to their children, but may not be exact the same signs of the planets. An example of this is my mother has Virgo Mercury and so does my granny. I have Gemini Mercury but no one on either my mother's side or my dad's side have Gemini or even remotely come to it. However, Gemini is domicile for Mercury, as is Virgo. By that, I would say, my mother and granny gave me my domiciled Mercury.

I have Earth Mars (Taurus). People on my father's side are heavily Air Mars... (kinda weird), even my dad (Libra, also in detriment). However, my mother has Earth Mars (Virgo), so I'm assuming she passed it down for me to have Earth Mars, but because my father's Mars is in detriment, I consider my father passing down the detriment portion of his Mars to me so the combo is that I have Earth detriment Mars.

There are things that parents can pass onto their kids outright. My mom has 1║ Libra Jupiter and I have 0║ Libra Jupiter. I have Pisces Moon from my mother because she also has Pisces Moon. I've grown up seeing my mother "flooding" the house. It's freaking scary, but I'm also responsible for my abilities to "flood" too.

Those are just some examples of how parents pass stuff onto their kids.

It's possible that if you investigate charts of cousins, uncles, aunts, that they're share portions of your chart.

This is very fascinating and awesome that you have such a link to your family. I have looked at my relatives chart and see a few similarities, but nothing like yours. My brother has Sag ASC with Jupiter there and my Moon-Nep is there too, yet we have so little in common. His Aquarius Moon opposing my Sun-Mercury, square my Uranus and Chiron on IC, may have a lot to do with it. Mom's Saturn in Scorpio is conjunct my Uranus making that famous Sun-Mercury square. Grandma's Pluto in Cancer conjoins my Mars only to square my Libra stellium. My father's stellium of Aquarius planets oppose me as a Leo. Astrologically speaking maybe my family dumped their problems onto me. Sometimes I have felt like a scapegoat. My mother is the one exception to this. Her Mercury-Venus in Gemini sit in my 5th and trine my Pluto, and she does have a healing effect upon me. Her Jupiter and Pluto sit in my 8th and she has showered me with gifts without me ever asking for it; I always tell her that I am not a materialistic daughter and mean it. And my brother gets jealous of this.

:lol::lol::lol:I know, that gets me all the time. He's exceptionally rational and he doesn't want't use to get all worked up about me reading daily horoscopes and laughing about it. Even though I don't take anything seriously, he didn't like that I entertained astrology which runs counter to us being atheists. But then I'd pretend to read the news and say, "A local 25-year-old architect got kidnapped by hungry, hungry aliens and was instructed that if he doesn't make the best spaghetti dish they've ever had in the entire Milky Way Galaxy, he's going end up as a meatball." :lol::lol::lol:

:alien: Oooh, waah...Seeing the expression on his face would be priceless! :alien:

You do have a point that maybe girls are expected to be more belief based but my family has always known me to be more logic based. I think my mom's Fire really does lead her to believe that I lack something, which is belief of something greater. My dad has Grand Air Kite... Aqua Moon, Libra Mars, Gemini Jupiter all lead by bossy Leo Pluto and he's pretty indifferent towards what I believe, despite having 4 Scorpio planets including Sun.

An indifferent Scorpio, that's weird! My theory is that men have more latitude with beliefs because if men created religion, they can take it away too. Like the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh. There is the running theme that women nurture life, but do not give it, so that makes us less. Also, nature (associated with women) is manipulated by males (creators). I am a believer, but not naive; I have my limits.

If Draconic charts are meant to explain the undercurrent of my tropical chart, well, that's super f*cking scary cuz my Draconic chart is really evil :lol::lol::lol: I am very mischievous but not to the point of being a psychotic, schismatic anarchist.

Yes, Air is rather a "disturbing" and unhinged element because it's just there... and nothing can change it. It's really up to Air's discretion as to which way it turns and how it behaves so the independence is very satisfying, but also could easily get perverted because there's no structure.

I see. that is where you have derived satisfaction from avenging justice or revenge on others. On the surface, you are rational (Tropical planets), but deep down there is an F-5 tornado brewing if they mess around too much. For me, as a Draconic Aries, I can understand the ADD. I focus so heavily on something that once I get it, I am sick of it (combust Mercury). That does not take me too long. At work, this creates problems because I feel like I disrupt the laid back work flow. I come in like Speedy Gonzalez and then wanna go home. I am drawn to physical (Aries) jobs, but don't want to deal with all that testosterone; I still feel feminine, just not like a delicate flower, but a steel magnolia. The draconic Moon in Leo gives me a flair for the dramatic and fantastic. Since it sits on the 12th, it is kept from public view. I forgot, there is my draconic Virgo ASC, and I am very nitpicky, especially with my dog's hygiene. I brush her teeth, clean her facial folds twice a day, soak her paws in epsom salts, bubble bath and boric acid (keeps the fleas away) and clean her bum after she goes. No one ever taught me this, just a tick I guess.

I think he wanted to go somewhere like in a woodsy, less populated place in more Northern California or somewhere in Oregon, possibly Washington. We were going to set up a little mechanic shop and Inn because we figured that's the best thing we can do for work and when we have kids, we can have them near us. Plus, having free labor would be great :lol::lol::lol:

The combo would have been perfect for our personalities because he's rather a hermit and like working with his hands. When we were 20, he did a motor swap from start to bottom in his garage and yeah, the car ran really well LOL As for me, I like socially interacting with people for money transactions and doing some sort of service. We'd be able to have kids and raise them under our watchful eyes so they don't get corrupted by pop culture.

That sounds like the ideal life!

Angelenos who grew up in LA aren't exactly egotistical... but a bit on the 'faster' side and we're a bit more on the clever and not so lawful side. It's really the outsiders who are egotistical.

That's been my experience with Californians (Angelenos) who come to Vegas. They can and have been very condescending and always saying how much better L.A. is and how backwards and poor Las Vegas is, and so on. When I first applied for work at a staffing agency and they saw my credentials from OR and WA, a Cali woman (she identified herself as such) told me that I am most likely not aware of the more advanced employment laws of her state since I am from the Pac NW. I reminded her that I was born in L.A. and she brushed me off. The agency did send me out to work, but given her attitude, I should have been grateful that a backwoods Barbie like myself was given the opportunity. To make matters worse she had horse breath. Many have a sense of entitlement, what gives? Maybe it's some of the bad apples that leave, who knows? However, I venture to say that generational attitudes change and maybe one demographic (astrologically speaking) is more easy going than others.

Cascada
04-06-2014, 10:00 AM
I have it natally. Uranus in Aries is also transiting my Sun right now. I'm fighting a strong urge to get up and move to a new city and basically leave all remnants of my past (current job, old "friends," etc.) behind. I just want something new, and I'm frustrated at how long the process is taking.

In general, I find squares to the Sun really hard to deal with--more so than squares to the moon or other planets. Perhaps it's because squares to the Sun seem more conscious? The Sun is supposed to be our conscious will, I suppose. Squares often make me feel like I'm consciously doubting myself every time I try to live up to my Sun sign (Aries). Frustrating and annoying to say the least. :annoyed:

I have my Sun/Jupiter (3rd house) conjunction in Libra square my Neptune/Uranus (5th house) conjunction. I simply have no patience for routine, people who try to lead me or who are trying to push me around, and doing what everyone else is doing+ being told what to do :sleeping: but with Neptune and Jupiter being involved too, I'm just not that grounded. I can have big goals and grand ideas and at the time I come up with them I'm absolutely certain I'll be able to get them to work, no matter how unrealistic (or science-defying) they are.
I read this on CafeAstrology about Sun square Uranus that describes me perfectly: "it is very hard for them to pour their hearts and souls into something that they don't "feel" for at the moment." The description on that site is spot on. At least for me it is. I struggle with this because I often start projects but the next day I'm like well I don't feel up for this today, I'll do this instead.. nothing ever gets completed.
I struggle with my identity, sometimes it can cause me a lot of depression. I'm not stable in who I am at all. I have managed to separate several personalities from my one personality, and have even named them so I can distinguish between them. I'm supposed to be a Libra yet I can't find balance between them all :crying: I seriously don't know who I am and I change so much in what I want to do that even that is no guidance for me. I think it effects me prominently not just because it's my Sun, but because Sun also rules my chart.

may28gemini
04-08-2014, 06:50 AM
I've been on hiatus for some time and I'm not really "back" but this thread popped up that you responded to me so I'll answer what you wrote.

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head of the latter. That would explain the me-me attitude (Aries) be it from within or outside, the absolute conviction that they are destined to be something special (Fire) and superficial culture (Air). But I can understand how new (Aries) concepts (Air) through various forms of media (Air) took off in L.A. The Aries with Air may explain the gang culture, to an extent, at least given that Fire and Air can signify young people, rebellious and angry at that.

LA's incorporated chart is Air void. LA lacks the Airy intellectual and graceful finesse and comes off as being too fast, too aggressive... just too much of everything. I think that because LA is overloaded with Aries Fire and lacks Air that it attracts a lot of egotistical nobodies who think they should be somebodies.

I think the gang/crime element is more linked to the Aries Fire stuff... the desire to dominate and be on top. Air is very distant and more individual and aren't the type that's group oriented, not the way Fire is. It's rather important for people in LA to belong to a bunch of groups/cliques/clubs/organizations/etc. Everyone has to network like crazy. Just another tradition that is very Arian.


I checked out Miami's incorporation date and it explains a whole lot...A stellium of planets (e.g. Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter) cusping 9th (Cancer)/10th (Leo) houses. This would explain all of the foreigners looking to get their shine on...I did a noontime birth. Their ASC is Scorpio with Saturn and Uranus on the cusp opposing Mars in Taurus on the DC. No wonder I always get an antagonistic vibe over there. I guess they really can't help it. Their Moon is in Pisces in the 5th, which kind of explains the success of the drug and maritime trade, as well as its really high highs and really low lows. But, there are a lot of spiritual undertakings there too, even if it may be unconventional (e.g. Santeria). Miami Beach was incorporated on March 26, 1915. They have Cancer ASC with Neptune and Moon in Leo there. That explains the welcoming and assortment of diverse groups of people there. The Leo Moon explains the physiculture. They have a stellium of Aqua-Pisc planets in the 8th house. I guess the sexual and illicit implications of these planets are self-explanatory.

Yeah, I don't like Taurus Mars manifested in places. It's too materialistic and gaudy/shady which would explain why Miami is so trashy with throwing cash around (Jupiter in Cancer).

Pisces Moon blessing maritime drug usage :lol: As silly as it sounds, it's rather true. I have Pisces Moon and although I'm not a drug user, and I don't even drink alcohol, I don't seem to mind being around people who use drugs or drink. Oh and don't get me started on being on the water... I LOVE LOVE LOVE it!! I was born near water and I've always lived near water and I've dreamt of retiring on the water.



Something similar began to happen in Miami Beach in the mid-1990's. As a child, I lived in what is now South Beach and it was not the place to be. It wasn't all "bad", but I distinctly remember all of the colorful spiders that used to give me the creeps in my backyard every humid morning. I skirted around them. But my mother and grandmother were compassionate enough to not kill the spiders and I followed suit. I learned early on that they eat bugs so I gave way and tolerated them. They warned me of little snakes that camouflaged in the grass they called "three minutes" because the poison was that deadly. I said to myself, "Oh, this is NOT California." As the years passed on, I no longer saw these little friends. Where did they go, was what I thought.

In the mid-to late 1980's there was an assortment of punks, street kids, outcasts, beach bums from outside (be it the US or abroad), elderly retirees from the East Coast and whatever else the sea brought in. Then in the early 1990's they courted celebrities and models in order to establish a hip club scene and turn Sobe (South Beach) into a world class destination. That killed the fun community spirit. Crime also went up exponentially and tourists became the targets of blood thirsty criminals. The last time that I was down there in 2011, I saw that what is now the city of Miami Beach was neglected in favor of Sobe. They catered to the tourists and ignore the locals. While L.A. got whitewashed, Miami became snooty with the influx of Latin American, European and Canadian yuppies. There was also a dichotomy between them and the Caribbeans (e.g. Haitians, Jamaicans and other islands) These groups of people are not new in South Florida, it's just that the blue collar/indie vibe went out the door. Suddenly, if you didn't look like an aspiring model, you weren't good enough. Keep in mind that Miami was always about looking good, but things were taken over the top with the introduction of new plastic surgery technology and doting on the models.
I never lived in the Southeast, but all the sounds gross. I personally always had bad vibes from Florida so I avoided it. I think the people there are very litigious and I'm against those who are trigger happy about courts.

Something similar occurs here in Las Vegas with people thinking that they made it here and get blinded with the flashing neon lights. They are beautiful, but there's more to life. I moved here for work reasons and never got caught up with gambling, in fact, the most I pony up is $5. I'll spend more on a glass of wine because I actually get a buzz and appreciate the taste. On another note, the crony system applies here since this becomes a small town quick. You work at one casino and meet up with some of your ex- co-workers. Now that you mention alumni, at some point I might have to consider relocating close (Intermountain Region) to where I obtained my degree which is rural Oregon. This is something that I have been dragging my feet on. Not being connected to UNLV has its disadvantages. I still get work, but don't have the same consideration. However, it was cool to go to school in the wilderness.
For some reason, I think Leo Sun people should always be in geographical locations that have a lot of sunshine and heat. I'm not sure if cold, wet, damp places would fare well for fixed Fire. I met 2 Leos in LA and they were both miserable and disliked being there. LA is the land of Aries, for some reason I thought Leo would do well there, but it's not what I imagined. Similarly, LA produces quite a lot of Gemini people as that's the sign I meet the most, esp. ones like me who are Fire void. In AZ, I have met many Leos...but I also find out they have something Airy in their chart because AZ's chart is very Airy and so is Phoenix. However, AZ's climate is very suitable to the lion and a bit too dry for Gemini (despite it being an Aqua state).


That's good that you are strong enough to handle yourself. When I'm with a group of people or with family, I am pretty peaceful and docile (I hate that). I never had a group mentality where I feel stronger in company, quite the opposite. Perhaps this is why I am a loner (Cap ASC); that makes me feel stronger. When I'm alone, I am not so nice. I have done my share of "bad" things to defend myself, but it always causes me internal turmoil because I never want for things to get that far and get sad about it (Mars in Cancer). When I calculated my natal using Koch houses, it shows that my Sun-Mercury actually sits in the 8th with the Uranus MC square. That better explains my life and experiences. If I was so 7th house, I would have been married already and my Leo would be more prominent. In some ways, my pride and joy are connected with the 8th house (e.g. investigation, probing into dark matters and the supernatural). My Cancer DC really wants to be peaceful, but Mars square Pluto/Saturn/Jupiter there can make me attack from an emotional place to balance (Libra) things.

You're probably peaceful and quiet in groups because of Scorpio or Libra MC as both those MCs are rather quiet and reserved. Also, Leo Sun in the 8th house suffers lack of self assertion as traditionally, the 8th house is ruled by Saturn and is the Sun's natural enemy. Your domiciled Sun sits in the house of its enemy and it's effected by Saturn's influence of minimizing the Sun's ability to shine. Cancer DC in general are rather nice people in public but as you said, Cancer Mars is there so you can get emotionally touchy and "attack" if you feel something's wrong.

Well, I handle myself pretty well in groups because it's thanks to my Libra AC and Cancer MC & POF. I usually "care" for those around me (not exactly deeply care, but general caring) and strangers like to get close to me and tell me their personal stories. Aries DC adds some problematic elements... probably the shark in me as I do have a raging temper underneath and I will bite someone's head off if they push me too far, but this is really in extreme cases. Most of the time I just let things slide and remove myself from the situation.

This is very fascinating and awesome that you have such a link to your family. I have looked at my relatives chart and see a few similarities, but nothing like yours. My brother has Sag ASC with Jupiter there and my Moon-Nep is there too, yet we have so little in common. His Aquarius Moon opposing my Sun-Mercury, square my Uranus and Chiron on IC, may have a lot to do with it. Mom's Saturn in Scorpio is conjunct my Uranus making that famous Sun-Mercury square. Grandma's Pluto in Cancer conjoins my Mars only to square my Libra stellium. My father's stellium of Aquarius planets oppose me as a Leo. Astrologically speaking maybe my family dumped their problems onto me. Sometimes I have felt like a scapegoat. My mother is the one exception to this. Her Mercury-Venus in Gemini sit in my 5th and trine my Pluto, and she does have a healing effect upon me. Her Jupiter and Pluto sit in my 8th and she has showered me with gifts without me ever asking for it; I always tell her that I am not a materialistic daughter and mean it. And my brother gets jealous of this.
I love Sagittarius Jupiter rising people!!!! They are really wild and fun. They're pretty much hands down the best kind of crazy...well, because I have Libra Jupiter on the AC so I'm into having really fun times.

I've noticed that Leo-Aqua axis gets repeated quite often amongst parent and child esp. in the form of Leo parents have Aqua kids. My mom is Leo and my younger brother is Aqua. I have met countless Leo parents with Aqua kids. The parents usually try really hard to watch over the Aqua child but Aqua kids tend to want to be left alone.

An indifferent Scorpio, that's weird! My theory is that men have more latitude with beliefs because if men created religion, they can take it away too. Like the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh. There is the running theme that women nurture life, but do not give it, so that makes us less. Also, nature (associated with women) is manipulated by males (creators). I am a believer, but not naive; I have my limits.
Yes, my father is a bit strange as it seems impossible for a Scorpio to be indifferent but he has a true Grand Air Trine (which means none of the planets in the configuration are outer planets) and did really eased him out as the years progressed. When my dad was younger, he was a typical tightfisted Scorpio. Now at 60, he's like "Oh, whatever."

I see. that is where you have derived satisfaction from avenging justice or revenge on others. On the surface, you are rational (Tropical planets), but deep down there is an F-5 tornado brewing if they mess around too much. For me, as a Draconic Aries, I can understand the ADD. I focus so heavily on something that once I get it, I am sick of it (combust Mercury). That does not take me too long. At work, this creates problems because I feel like I disrupt the laid back work flow. I come in like Speedy Gonzalez and then wanna go home. I am drawn to physical (Aries) jobs, but don't want to deal with all that testosterone; I still feel feminine, just not like a delicate flower, but a steel magnolia. The draconic Moon in Leo gives me a flair for the dramatic and fantastic. Since it sits on the 12th, it is kept from public view. I forgot, there is my draconic Virgo ASC, and I am very nitpicky, especially with my dog's hygiene. I brush her teeth, clean her facial folds twice a day, soak her paws in epsom salts, bubble bath and boric acid (keeps the fleas away) and clean her bum after she goes. No one ever taught me this, just a tick I guess.
My draconic chart is the anti-christ so that's why I'm a ticking time bomb if I'm pushed- Aqua Sun, Scorpio Moon, Gemini rising, Cap Mars in 8th house, Saturn in 12th house. It's a really cool chart, if it has any validity to it (as I have a lot of doubts but I still find it really fun), but still, it's a devil of a person who's pretty dogged and determined to get their way.

That's been my experience with Californians (Angelenos) who come to Vegas. They can and have been very condescending and always saying how much better L.A. is and how backwards and poor Las Vegas is, and so on. When I first applied for work at a staffing agency and they saw my credentials from OR and WA, a Cali woman (she identified herself as such) told me that I am most likely not aware of the more advanced employment laws of her state since I am from the Pac NW. I reminded her that I was born in L.A. and she brushed me off. The agency did send me out to work, but given her attitude, I should have been grateful that a backwoods Barbie like myself was given the opportunity. To make matters worse she had horse breath. Many have a sense of entitlement, what gives? Maybe it's some of the bad apples that leave, who knows? However, I venture to say that generational attitudes change and maybe one demographic (astrologically speaking) is more easy going than others.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL who ever identifies themselves as being from "Cali" is not only ghetto and gross, but a total idiot. No true Californian would ever say they're from Cali... that's what other places calls CA and it's usually people who never set foot in CA to begin with. I rarely ever tell anyone where I'm from but people can usually tell and I can tell who's from CA and where in CA they're from. If someone's not from CA, I can immediately tell just upon looking at them. It's mostly a vibe that we give that others respond to. Same with you and that Cali woman. You must have given off a vibe to her that she didn't like. I don't meet arrogant Angelenos, but then again, I've never set foot in NV/LV so I wouldn't know how they behave there.

serafin5
04-08-2014, 03:38 PM
I totally agree that such solar afflictions tend to challenge one's sense of identity; in their Solar expression, they can be highly unpredictable, and changeable, and seem rather unstable as a person. They can appear to be very radical at times and seem to find less consistency in their lives, perhaps due to past conditioning that set up them up to always be 'on alert' in life. Perhaps they experienced reprimands for being unique and independent in early life. Rebellion against authority and conformity, as well.

Well put Kimbermoon! I have Sun opp. Uranus and while I agree with May28gemini that square's manifest internally and oppositions manifest externally, I was very much the maverick when I was younger, and on my own and working and paying rent at 15yrs.! I always felt different from everyone and always felt the need to compete with my peers (just negative self talk really).

So glad to be past that awkward stage! But I'm still dancin to the beat of my own drummer!

Serafin5:biggrin:

ThePiscesPrincess
06-21-2014, 02:28 AM
Ahh... I have sun sq. Pluto. (I'm pisces sun)
My sis has sun sq Uranus tho. (She's taurus sun)

I'm very temperamental and angry and explode a lot and very willful too. After my father died , me & reena had to fend for ourselves basically and do more work around the house. Now mom has a wealthy man, our stepfather .

While my sister is very rude and rebellious , and naggy too.

The Virgo moon comes into her nasty attitude too, I still don't understand since her moon trines all her 6 Taurus planets in 12th whilst my Leo moon opposites my Aqua stellium .

Flapjacks
06-21-2014, 03:27 AM
Well put Kimbermoon! I have Sun opp. Uranus and while I agree with May28gemini that square's manifest internally and oppositions manifest externally, I was very much the maverick when I was younger, and on my own and working and paying rent at 15yrs.! I always felt different from everyone and always felt the need to compete with my peers (just negative self talk really).

So glad to be past that awkward stage! But I'm still dancin to the beat of my own drummer!

Serafin5:biggrin:

My big sister has Sun exact conjunct Uranus in Libra. She also moved out at 15, worked as waitress and lived on her own. She came back home a year later though and didn't move out again until she was 19.

She was an amazing gymnast when she was a kid, but stopped because she didn't like the competitive attitude that came with the sport; she just wanted to have fun and do things for herself not for other people. She's always been a trendsetter, doing completely new and wild things only to have other people copy her style. She doesn't conform to anyone's standards but her own, and yet she can do this without ruffling feathers most of the time. I've always looked up to her uniqueness... she's a fabulous photographer and when I was a toddler she used me as a subject for her weird art projects, painting me with henna and throwing jewelry on me and having me push a lawn mower or something. :lol:

For the random conversation between May28Gemini and kailaniatsea:

1) I third the treatment of Californians by Pacific Northwesters. :lol:

2) I have Mercury combust in Leo square Scorpio Pluto and I don't have a temper, or ADD. I was diagnosed with ODD as a youngster. Don't really have any problems now though.

3) kailaniatsea, I have a lot of feels for a lot of your words. :love:

Kernowerno
06-24-2014, 09:11 PM
I have Sun 13║ gemini square Pluto 9║ Virgo. Self-destructive thought patterns, intensely high expectations of myself, fear of failure to the point of not starting, these are all traits I've experienced over the years. I read that as a child these natives will create a work of art and, dissatisfied it's not good enough, destroy it and start again. I've done this as an adult :pouty:. It's not an easy aspect, but with time and experience it is slowly coming round to being useful and empowering. I hope I get to utilise it to some extent successfully before I pop my cloggs

JUPITERASC
06-24-2014, 10:53 PM
I have Sun 13║ gemini square Pluto 9║ Virgo. Self-destructive thought patterns, intensely high expectations of myself, fear of failure to the point of not starting, these are all traits I've experienced over the years. I read that as a child these natives will create a work of art and, dissatisfied it's not good enough, destroy it and start again. I've done this as an adult :pouty:. It's not an easy aspect, but with time and experience it is slowly coming round to being useful and empowering. I hope I get to utilise it to some extent successfully before I pop my cloggs
For any 13║ gemini Sun in square aspect to any planet
that planet must be located in in Sagittarius, Virgo and/or Pisces

Gemini ruling planet is Mercury
and
Virgo ruling planet is Mercury

so
because a natal Mercury may be located in any one of twelve signs
It is unreliable to generalise
in this case in particular
regarding any Gemini or Virgo Sun square any planet

because
any Gemini or Virgo Sun is Mercury ruled
and could have Mercury in Taurus, Gemini, Cancer or Leo, Virgo, Libra,

and that influences the delineation:smile:
for example

Mercury in Taurus makes natal Venus an important factor
Mercury in Cancer makes natal Moon an important factor
Mercury in Libra makes natal Venus an important factor

and so on

blennus
07-10-2014, 02:19 PM
I have Sun, merc & mars conjunct in Aqua (conjunct the DC) in 6th house all square Uranus in scorp and MC in Taurus. It's made my life a constant battle against authority.

Claire19
07-17-2014, 05:28 AM
Ahh... I have sun sq. Pluto. (I'm pisces sun)
My sis has sun sq Uranus tho. (She's taurus sun)

I'm very temperamental and angry and explode a lot and very willful too. After my father died , me & reena had to fend for ourselves basically and do more work around the house. Now mom has a wealthy man, our stepfather .

While my sister is very rude and rebellious , and naggy too.

The Virgo moon comes into her nasty attitude too, I still don't understand since her moon trines all her 6 Taurus planets in 12th whilst my Leo moon opposites my Aqua stellium .

You need to post the chart of your sister. You havent mentioned her ascendant. A Virgo moon can be nitpicky and perfectionist with a germ phobia. You may just be teenagers acting out. There would be other indicators for your temperament as Pluto tends to be more subtle and covert in influence. Mars can be the main trigger for outbursts and temperament as well as aggression.

Kernowerno
07-17-2014, 06:42 PM
......

because
any 13║ gemini Sun could have Mercury in Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces

Really???? If Sun is 13║ Gemini, mercury can't be more than 28║ from it ie 11║ Cancer, or 15║ Taurus :unsure:

ThePiscesPrincess
07-18-2014, 12:05 AM
You need to post the chart of your sister. You havent mentioned her ascendant. A Virgo moon can be nitpicky and perfectionist with a germ phobia. You may just be teenagers acting out. There would be other indicators for your temperament as Pluto tends to be more subtle and covert in influence. Mars can be the main trigger for outbursts and temperament as well as aggression.

I can't post chart since I'm on my Nexus 5.

Me:
Pisces sun
Leo moon
Libra rising
Aqua Venus
Aqua merc
Libra mars

Her :
Taurus sun
Virgo moon
Gem rising
Taurus mercury
Taurus Venus
Gemini mars

junoisuppose
07-18-2014, 09:50 PM
I have Sun conjunct Mercury (Leo) in DC (Cancer) square Uranus in MC (Scorpio). As a child I was accused of being "weird" and difficult. I had ADD and had a quick temper. I never trusted authority and could be stubborn. Since Uranus sits in my MC, I always had trouble working in group settings. I have found myself in Scorpio situations that challenged my identity.

I have sun at the end of cancer square uranus in scorpio. I never fit in anywhere. My dad was from abroad so I didn't altogether fit in with the children around me growing up, but because my mum wasn't from abroad I didn't fit in with people from my dad's culture either. As a teenager I just became a rebel. & I am still averse to authority figures who try to tell me what to do.

Squares to the sun can diminish our sense of self-worth and be challenging due to the difficulty of integrating the other planet, but squares to the sun can also make people seem strongly like the sign ruled by that planet, for example a friend with sun square neptune is very much like a pisces, he is a photographer & has drug & self pity issues. I know there are other things in his chart that may indicate this, but this is the biggest indicator I can see.

Generally uranus transits do indicate the desire for change. When uranus squared my MC, & went over this point 3 times, I changed jobs and home, each time, because I felt the need for more freedom.

LyP
07-19-2014, 02:29 AM
I have Sun square Uranus, Neptune and Jupiter
semi-square mars,venus and moon

Is very difficult for me to accept the real life, and live a routine
I think I'm addicted to the internet
'm very idealistic
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My square with Uranus causes difficulty to to keep myself in anything; travel, school, employment,
because I feel bored and wanted something different,
I think the we all lead a dull life

Jupiter makes me an arrogant person, is what I think ...
makes me impatient
"I dream of cabbage before burying the seeds" know

With Neptune I am very afraid of risking anything in life
and am easily duped
and i prefer the inertia to keep me safe
'm very passive

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I think the more squares with the sun
more introverted the person is
too vain also

One spends much time trying to resolve these internal problems or just unconsciously focusing on them.

I read once of a psychologist:

"The timid people are the most egocentric because they think everyone is watching him, so they are afraid"

But for some time now I'm trying to get over it and accept my daily unlovely routine :whistling:

I do not know if semi-squares are important, I was thinking of making a thread about these minor aspects
but must already have, I just have not found

roz
09-05-2014, 02:42 PM
I have sun square pluto in the 4th. When I moved out age 18 I did not just move out of the house, I moved out of the country! But I always thought that was just due to pluto(sco) and moon(sag) in the 4th house. I have a constant need to "recreate" myself in a new environment, I get restless living in the same place for longer than 2 years. Even when I was still living at home and as a child I always couldn't wait to change schools and I was always excited when I did but then soon got bored of the new school as well. Also, at age 15 I went abroad on my own.

Cassiopeia
08-18-2016, 07:55 PM
Thank you, all for the interesting information. I have Uranus square Sun too. Natal Uranus in the 3rd part of a stellium there.

As a child, I always felt misunderstood, but as an adult, I just did not care anymore to be understood. Quick temper - yes and lack patience for things that go too slow.

I also bore very easily and find it hard to focus on one thing only, keep doing many things at the same time, lack of interest to dig deeper if it's not something really interesting.

The school was a problem with my lack of focus, but I was lucky enough to feel inspired at the exams. I really did not study hard, I just felt inspired at that moment, nobody ever believed I did not study hard.

Uranus also aspects my Mercury, ASC, and MC. I need changes all the time - this is a constant in my life.