Who came up with the wording for Pisces and other astrology signs?
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Thank you. Where did it originate from, e.g. was it directly translated from a named astronomy symbol or...
The original astrological signs used symbols (instead of words) right so there is no original wording...?
i.e. Most of the english language is derived from Latin or France, so was it imported from another language as well and did it stay the same?
e.g. In Latin is could hav been Pisceleatous or something else.
The original astrological signs used symbols (instead of words) right so there is no original wording...?
i.e. Most of the english language is derived from Latin or France, so was it imported from another language as well and did it stay the same?
e.g. In Latin is could hav been Pisceleatous or something else.
Kaiousei no Senshi
Premium Member
The names of the Signs are all either Latin or Greek.
No. Leo in Japanese is not 'Leo' as Japanese does not have the 'l' sound. I know that's not really the reason why it is that way, but I thought it was kind of humorous.
No. Leo in Japanese is not 'Leo' as Japanese does not have the 'l' sound. I know that's not really the reason why it is that way, but I thought it was kind of humorous.
Lissa
Well-known member
Once again,no,I believe each culture changes the signs' names to better fit with their language.Like here in Portugal,where no one knows what Aries is,because the portuguese translation is Carneiro(Carneiro means ram in portuguese).Most of the portuguese signs have a similar sound to their original names,but some don't(Aries=Carneiro,Libra=Balança,Cancer=Caranguejo),I remember about4years ago I got so confused when I tried to read my horoscope in English.flare said:
It's funny,the portuguese word for Virgo is exacly the same as our word for virgin,I hear jokes about this all the time
.All zodiacal signs names, currently used in English, are Latin words, just as it happens with many science related words, all originate from Latin and were taken literally, but pronounced to sound like English words.
For instance I think the correct Latin pronounciation of Pisces is like "Peace-chess".
Also, it seems that all other languages than English use their own words for zodiacal signs, which translate the meaning of the Latin words. It is so in Portuguese, French, Spanish, Romanian, any other language I know.
For instance I think the correct Latin pronounciation of Pisces is like "Peace-chess".
Also, it seems that all other languages than English use their own words for zodiacal signs, which translate the meaning of the Latin words. It is so in Portuguese, French, Spanish, Romanian, any other language I know.
Kaiousei no Senshi
Premium Member
Taurus is greek. I think there's another one...but it has escaped me.
tsquare
Well-known member
Hmmm....Latin I like that.
If anyone is really good with latin, or has the resourses, or the time, one neat thing I think could be here would be all the signs names in latin Like what what Radu did with "Peace Chess".
Thank you Radu!
(Most senior Member)(joke)
(laugh)
At least we'd know what the greeks thought of the zodiac.
Or at least then we'd have to find out about what the word's Peace, and Chess, meant to the greeks as well. From what I've heard they have like 16 different words and deffinitions for love, so latin is an extremely interesting language, that in its way, seems to have a higher awareness contributed to it, then our currently used.....and i mean currently used, and understood, engilish language. And I don't speak for everyone.
The more I learn, I realize just how stupid I am. (laugh)
And usually not untill then.(smile)
Each individual has there own ideas of words and meanings sometimes, Theres the subjective side to it, which ties to the signifigance and what that word has been to them for years, then there is also the objective side to this..... as well as the Cultual side of this. And two different words in two different languages or cultures, times and places, while they are the same word in type can mean absolutely different things. I'm sure there are examples of this and I can't quite pull em up clearly enough out of my recall but, they are there. And then there is the guy that does the translating, and well....things can get lost in translation. But an interesting topic none the less. Getting to the bottom of this can clear alot of peoples misunderstoods up yo where things just click a bit better.
Finding a true originator has got to be hard as hell, and alot of work.
I've rattled the idea arround my head quite a bit of doing this, But I skin my knees real fast in the process. Too much data, Not enough time and resources, and I began to feel like my face has been smooshed.
But there are people here that know way more then I do.
And some may have done alot of the work.
If so, thank you!
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Tsquare
If anyone is really good with latin, or has the resourses, or the time, one neat thing I think could be here would be all the signs names in latin Like what what Radu did with "Peace Chess".
Thank you Radu!
(Most senior Member)
(joke)(laugh)
At least we'd know what the greeks thought of the zodiac.
Or at least then we'd have to find out about what the word's Peace, and Chess, meant to the greeks as well. From what I've heard they have like 16 different words and deffinitions for love, so latin is an extremely interesting language, that in its way, seems to have a higher awareness contributed to it, then our currently used.....and i mean currently used, and understood, engilish language. And I don't speak for everyone.
The more I learn, I realize just how stupid I am. (laugh)
And usually not untill then.(smile)
Each individual has there own ideas of words and meanings sometimes, Theres the subjective side to it, which ties to the signifigance and what that word has been to them for years, then there is also the objective side to this..... as well as the Cultual side of this. And two different words in two different languages or cultures, times and places, while they are the same word in type can mean absolutely different things. I'm sure there are examples of this and I can't quite pull em up clearly enough out of my recall but, they are there. And then there is the guy that does the translating, and well....things can get lost in translation. But an interesting topic none the less. Getting to the bottom of this can clear alot of peoples misunderstoods up yo where things just click a bit better.
Finding a true originator has got to be hard as hell, and alot of work.
I've rattled the idea arround my head quite a bit of doing this, But I skin my knees real fast in the process. Too much data, Not enough time and resources, and I began to feel like my face has been smooshed
.But there are people here that know way more then I do.
And some may have done alot of the work.
If so, thank you!
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Kaiousei no Senshi
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I may have gotten confused...but are you thinking the Greeks spoke Latin? They spoke Greek...Latin is a different language all together. Forgive me if I misunderstood majorly, just your post confuses me and for some reason that's the idea I got out of it...
Radu was just offering a pronounciation guide. 'Peace-chess' is closer to how the word is pronounced in Latin than the English form of Pisces we use today. Not that the words 'peace' and 'chess' mean anything to do with the Sign of Pisces or it's naming, just that's how it's supposed to sound like.
It was just some early Latin astronomers I guess. They looked up, saw a ram in the stars and said 'Aries' which means 'ram', saw twins and said 'Gemini' which means 'twins', saw a crab and said 'Cancer' which means 'crab', saw a lion and said 'Leo' which means 'lion' and so on and so forth.
Radu was just offering a pronounciation guide. 'Peace-chess' is closer to how the word is pronounced in Latin than the English form of Pisces we use today. Not that the words 'peace' and 'chess' mean anything to do with the Sign of Pisces or it's naming, just that's how it's supposed to sound like.
It was just some early Latin astronomers I guess. They looked up, saw a ram in the stars and said 'Aries' which means 'ram', saw twins and said 'Gemini' which means 'twins', saw a crab and said 'Cancer' which means 'crab', saw a lion and said 'Leo' which means 'lion' and so on and so forth.
tsquare
Well-known member
I may have gotten confused...but are you thinking the Greeks spoke Latin? They spoke Greek...Latin is a different language all together. Forgive me if I misunderstood majorly, just your post confuses me and for some reason that's the idea I got out of it...
Yeah, oops, I had to look that up. Thank you. The Latin alphabet, was derived from those of the Etruscans and Greeks (each of those themselves derived from the earlier Phoenician alphabet). I thought from that, that they were very similar, but they are not. The Greeks have there own language.....but they seem to have a influince on latin language.
Im just trying to find a bit more on origions of knowledge concerning astrology
and trying to see just how much was mooched off of earlier stuff and where they got their data......and how they pronounced it....and what the signifigance was that they atatched to what they percieved.
It would be good to know.
I just don't know if I believe that astrology is just an offshoot of astronomy, and as we discover planets we evolve.
I'm wondering if the old systems at times are missing pieces or not.
Who gave them their data, or did they come up with it themselves.?...
It's a mystery.
There are so many very important pieces of history missing out of the books, or so I believe, and astrology seems to be everywhere in nearly every culture and every time, that we know of. I don't believe that it just spread out from one spot fanning the world....but that it was there mabie since the begining and I get the idea that someone put it there somehow.
And someones been "droping off" alot of the data for us to use.
It's these missing parts of history that are the most interesting cause I get the idea something big happened and we lost allot of technology we had in the process.
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Radu was just offering a pronounciation guide. 'Peace-chess' is closer to how the word is pronounced in Latin than the English form of Pisces we use today. Not that the words 'peace' and 'chess' mean anything to do with the Sign of Pisces or it's naming, just that's how it's supposed to sound like.
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Alot of Engilish comes from Latin.
I have a hard time believing that the words are only sounds and dont have meanings.... 'Peace Chess' looks pretty acurate to me, almost scary accurate. And it seems someone did that on purpose, it wasn't just a fluke or accident. From what comes out of the 12th H or of from out piscies, Quite a few political leaders have 12thH suns, Tony Blair, George Bush, and 'peace=chess' looks pretty accurate of a "pisces type of thing".
I dont Know........(tenaciously curoious)
I'd like to see some more pronounciations of the rest of the signs.
Obviously Piscies the word was coined at some time, it didn't come out of nowhere, so Im just curious as to the word Piscies and all the English signs word origions, and who it was that came up with it.
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The original astrological signs used symbols (instead of words) right so there is no original wording...?
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Words are symbols. But I get what you mean.
I have to do some reading on history and language and astrology.....I've never really spent much time in this arena.....I have to look at a few things.
But History can be forgetfull, and when things don't add up or make sence, I sometimes wonder just whose writing the history.
My idea of the Zodiac is this.
No matter where you are, no matter what culture you are in, no matter what language you use...... The effects caused by the zodiac are the same. All over the globe. Same effect, different words.....words are symbols....... not the thing causing the effect.....so to have a better basic understanding of the effects of the signs is what Im going for, is to try not to confuse the signifigance of the words, with the real deal, or whats really there. Symbols point and words point but........there not the thing.
And I just can't tell how the subject of astrology evolved in each culture.
I mean...it doesn't seem that any culture was the creator or originator of the zodiac or its effects, and all they did was find things that were already there, they discovered it, mabie...(missing periods in history), but its not new.
But the missing links are the things I am interested in......
How did it get there in the first place....cause it isn't an accident it's there.
I don't know if I want to post this.
I think I know what flare is sort of after and going for here.....but I don't quite know how to say it.
I don't know...I think there is more to it then that. Tip of my toung and a million miles away.
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Kaiousei no Senshi
Premium Member
Tsquare,
If you haven't already, you should definately read my userpage. I think it'll be right up your alley.
If you haven't already, you should definately read my userpage. I think it'll be right up your alley.
Lissa
Well-known member
It's getting a little bit confusing,I found a website that claimed to have the constelations name's in latin but they were exacly the same as in English,then I found another website that claims to also have the signs' names in latin and they're a little bit different,I don't know each one is right but I have a gut feeling the second is the accurate one:
Aries
Taurus
Gemini
Cancer
Leo
Virgo
Libra
Scorpius
Sagittarius
Capricornius
Aquarius
Pisces
It's funny,they say the Sun "stays" in the constelation of Virgo during44days(from September17 to October30)and only7days in Scorpio(from November23 to November29).
There is a thirteen constelation.It's called 'Ophiuchus'.In the website they say the Sun "stays" there for18days,from November30 to December17.
So if you were born within this days and thought you were a Sagittarius,forget about it,you're a Ophiuchus.
Aries
Taurus
Gemini
Cancer
Leo
Virgo
Libra
Scorpius
Sagittarius
Capricornius
Aquarius
Pisces
It's funny,they say the Sun "stays" in the constelation of Virgo during44days(from September17 to October30)and only7days in Scorpio(from November23 to November29).
There is a thirteen constelation
.It's called 'Ophiuchus'.In the website they say the Sun "stays" there for18days,from November30 to December17.So if you were born within this days and thought you were a Sagittarius,forget about it,you're a Ophiuchus
.