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zona967
12-07-2012, 09:54 PM
The ruler is Mars in close conjunction with Saturn which is in domicile.

Saturn, however, is combust.

But the Sun is in detriment.

Saturn should be tons stronger than the Sun. And being in domicile should be less harmful to the native.

Saturn also deposits the chart ruler.

Would you count the conjuntion to Saturn as an affliction to Mars in this chart?

Thank you.

JUPITERASC
12-07-2012, 11:43 PM
The ruler is Mars in close conjunction with Saturn which is in domicile.

Saturn, however, is combust.
But the Sun is in detriment.
Saturn should be tons stronger than the Sun. And being in domicile should be less harmful to the native.
Saturn also deposits the chart ruler.
Would you count the conjuntion to Saturn as an affliction to Mars in this chart?
Thank you.According to Abű Ma'sar, Libri mysteriorum :smile:


“…..people who say that a star which becomes burned in its own domicile or elevation does not offend, are mistaken. Some people say that when a star becomes burned in its own domicile or in its own elevation it does not cause offence.

However ,when Saturn, which is cold and dry becomes burned, it is similar to stone which being burned by the fire, decays and breaks .....”

dr. farr
12-08-2012, 05:10 AM
1) Saturn (being more than 9 degrees away from the Sun) is not combust (although it is under the sunbeams)
2) Saturn is in its domicile, angular and in its (Manilius) house of joy: all supportive of a strong (and therefore "benefic") Saturn influence
3) rather Mars might be afflicting Saturn in this chart
...so I would say no, Mars is not afflicted (by Saturn) in this chart (my opinion) However, Mars IS in a pitted (blocked) degree of Aquarius, which indicates (for those who accept the pits and elevation degree concept) that Mars is largely neutralized as an influential factor in this chart.

JUPITERASC
12-08-2012, 12:23 PM
According to Abű Ma'sar, Libri mysteriorum :smile:
'….The planets, if they are under the rays of the Sun, their power disappears and they have no power – If Saturn is with the Sun, he will spoil his father’s property... If Mars is with the Sun, he will be envious, squandering his father’s property...'

Al-Biruni says '...the Sun acts as a malefic when close and as a benefic when distant'

The inference is that a planet weakened by the Sun by being either combust or under the sun's beams - loses it's ability to help the native, so it can only damage or frustrate itself when called upon - and so could be why a malefic in that position is harmful and benefics in that position are of little help to the native.

Mars and Saturn being 'under the beams' links to their concern with the affairs of houses they rule: so houses ruled by a Mars and Saturn that are combust/'under the beams' are then ruled by planets that are weakened by their contact with the Sun THEREFORE the affairs of those houses may well be challenging for the native.