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Moog
01-18-2012, 09:25 PM
Hoping for a more general discussion on lots and lot usage.

Do you find them useful? Which ones do you find most useful? Do you look at them in general delineations or mainly for more specific astrological inquiries?

Feel free to add anything else you might want to say about lots. Cheers!

dr. farr
01-19-2012, 06:30 AM
I consider Lots one of the most important factors in astrological delineation, regardless of the type of astrological investigation being made. In this I am close to the Hellenists and the early-to-mid Islamic transitional era authors. The condition of the Lot (sign placement, house placement), the condition/relationships of its planetary significator (dispositor of the sign the Lot is in), aspects to the Lot (note: Lots do NOT make aspects-aspects are made TO Lots), connection of Lot (and/or its significator planet) with fixed stars, aspect (if any) of the ascending degree (or sign if using aspect-by-sign) to the Lot, the dodekatemorion ramification of the Lot (and any connection the dodek of the Lot has with stars, planets), midpoint of the Lot and its significator planet and/or the ascending degree, and so on, allow a great deal of investigation to be made regarding the subject matter of the Lot.

Most important single Lot (in my opinion) is the Part of Fortune; close to it is the Lot of Spirit (shows the inner nature of whatever it is you are investigating) But Lots can be used for many specific matters/subjects of astrological investigation.

To better understand the "philosophy" behind Lots (which go back to the early days of Hellenistic astrology in point of origin), the Zoller "Arabic Parts" books will provide a good foundation.

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-19-2012, 06:52 AM
I'm sort of the opposite from Dr. Farr on this subject. I tend to not really bother with the Lots, even though Fortuna is a permanent placement in the charts that I cast. However, the Lots tend to not be all that interesting, and there are just so many of them that I feel they fall into the same realm as asteroids (though, the lots do have their own built in system of what is and isn't activated).

When doing natals, I tend to just stick with the Hermetics and do what I can with them.

dr. farr
01-19-2012, 07:29 AM
Yes indeed, the Hermetic Lots (which are the Lots of the planets) can be highly illuminating in natal, and also in mundane, delineations.

Note that Lots are a distinguishing feature of (older) Western astrology: Lots are not used in either Vedic jyotish nor in the various Chinese astrological approaches.

But, can't help it, I just love em:love:....

Moog
01-19-2012, 08:30 PM
Programming the hermetic lots I don't already have into my copy of Morinus... this thing is pretty handy

To better understand the "philosophy" behind Lots (which go back to the early days of Hellenistic astrology in point of origin), the Zoller "Arabic Parts" books will provide a good foundation.

Thanks, I'll add it to my mega list of books to read :biggrin:

(though, the lots do have their own built in system of what is and isn't activated)

Would you mind expanding on that, even if very briefly... something other than transits?

DreamingTheSeas
01-19-2012, 08:35 PM
The calculations of the Hermetic Lots are the same as the Arabic Lots?

For example : The Hermetic Lot Of Fortune for night born person Asc +Moon-Sun and vice versa for day born person ?

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-19-2012, 11:57 PM
The calculations of the Hermetic Lots are the same as the Arabic Lots?

Yes, the Lot of Fortune and the Lot of Spirt themselves are Hermetic Lots. There's not a non-Hermetic Lot of Fortune. There are over 100 Lots, but only seven of those are Hermetic.

Would you mind expanding on that, even if very briefly... something other than transits?

Certainly. Zoller shares with us in his Medival Astrology course that Lots are only "activated" if they aspect their dispostior, their exaltation lord, or thier triplicity lord. Otherwise they're just dead space.

Now, I'm not sure if this counts for the Hermetic lots, but Zoller does use the Lot of Fortune in his example regarding this. I suppose you could say it's evidence that they do, but it seems to me more like it's just a Lot he used that he expected people to be familiar with. Though, typically, the Hermetic Lots aren't utilized in such a fashion except for Fortune...

Moog
01-20-2012, 12:46 AM
Certainly. Zoller shares with us in his Medival Astrology course that Lots are only "activated" if they aspect their dispostior, their exaltation lord, or thier triplicity lord. Otherwise they're just dead space.

Now, I'm not sure if this counts for the Hermetic lots, but Zoller does use the Lot of Fortune in his example regarding this. I suppose you could say it's evidence that they do, but it seems to me more like it's just a Lot he used that he expected people to be familiar with. Though, typically, the Hermetic Lots aren't utilized in such a fashion except for Fortune...

Thanks, I'll bear that in mind while I'm looking at aspects to.

Just to be clear, the exaltation lord is the planet that is exalted in the sign the lot falls into? And the triplicity lord likewise?

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-20-2012, 12:48 AM
Just to be clear, the exaltation lord is the planet that is exalted in the sign the lot falls into? And the triplicity lord likewise?

Yes, sorry. Should have clarified.

Moog
01-20-2012, 12:53 AM
Yes, sorry. Should have clarified.

It's cool! Thanks very much :smile:

sprinthrussfed
02-08-2012, 07:02 PM
what are the hermetic lots and the formulas?