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haileyscomet
11-28-2011, 01:23 AM
Retrograde planets bother me a lot because there are way too many contradictory opinions on this. Though Astrology is subjective, everyone always seems to be confused on retrograde planets the most.

Do you believe they are just optical illusions and shouldn't be important in Astrology?

Do you believe a retrograde planet becomes weak?

Do you believe it still acts like a planet in a direct motion but you feel the energies more internally?

Do you believe retrograde planets become stronger (and exalted) when placed in bad houses, positions and they become weaker when placed in good houses?

haileyscomet
11-29-2011, 11:44 PM
No one has an opinion?

JUPITERASC
11-30-2011, 12:12 AM
No one has an opinion?
For Traditional astrologers, retrograde planets are important haileyscomet:smile:

byjove
11-30-2011, 12:44 AM
I also find that there is often very different interpretations on this, and it's confusing. So I'm keen to learn more, sign me up!

p.s. JupiterAsc, how are they considered in traditional or Hellenistic? I've no idea.

JUPITERASC
11-30-2011, 01:06 AM
I also find that there is often very different interpretations on this, and it's confusing. So I'm keen to learn more, sign me up!

p.s. JupiterAsc, how are they considered in traditional or Hellenistic? I've no idea.
byjove, I'm no expert but I understand that retrogradation is considered significant by Hellenistic astrologers http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf :smile:

Jupiter for example is currently very bright when seen in the night sky and that's because retrogradation occurs when Jupiter is very close to Earth Except for Mercury and Venus who, because they lie between the Earth and Sun are not visible during retrogradation.


If we have difficulty with a specific planet during its retrograde, it is often because we have resistance to let go, to redefine our lives, a fear of changing, moving on, growing. Mercury retrogrades provide a good example. How many times do you hear someone say: "I hate when Mercury is retrograde." The difficulty with Mercury retrogrades are more obvious because it often involves relinquishing modes of thinking, of how things are or "should" be something many people have difficulty doing and about daily logistical aspects of our lives. http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/SynodicCycle.html (http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/SynodicCycle.html) Synodic Astrology: Synodic Cycles and Planetary Retrogrades and Cycles of Growth in Consciousness

Carris
04-13-2012, 01:24 PM
There might be something to retrogrades. Astrologers caution people to be careful during mercury retrograde and to not start anything new during that time - "expect everything to go backwards while mercury is going backwards".

Astrologer Arlene Kramer says that "Astrologers have identified three retrograde planet situations that create enough disorder to warrant special caution. These are Mercury, Mars and Saturn." and "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong during Mercury Retrograde." She also cautions "never buy a car when mars is retrograde" and that a business started while Saturn retrograde is likely to only last a year.

John McCormick's "The Book of Retrogrades" analyzes the statistics of retrograde planets. One striking finding was the relation between Retrograde Neptune and World War II Generals - they had it 92% instead of 44%.

He also found that the number of retrograde planets in a chart was more significant than the actual identity of the planets:

Two retrograde planets (29%): People are drawn to and like and accept those who have two retrograde planets in the natal horoscope

Three retrograde planets (26%): Determination to excel in some speciality

One retrograde planet (18%): Independent, can work alone and achieve alone, does not need company to be happy

Four retrograde planets (12%): Writers, who withdraw and seek expression in private, solitary professions

No retrograde planets (7.7%): Unique in their perseverance to attain their goals. Found a lot in athletes and dancers. Found in unexpectedly high number (36%!) of the charts of United States Presidents

http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology15.asp

I found this to be true in my case. Does anyone else find this true for themselves?

Moog
04-13-2012, 01:40 PM
One striking finding was the relation between Retrograde Neptune and World War II Generals - they had it 92% instead of 44%.

That's interesting Carris. There's a lot more I'd like to know about the sample there.

But I find statements like this far too vague to be meaningful;

Three retrograde planets (26%): Determination to excel in some speciality

Personally I have 0 retrograde planets in my chart, but it certainly applies to me.

StillOne
04-13-2012, 02:13 PM
One retrograde planet (18%): Independent, can work alone and achieve alone, does not need company to be happy


This statement is accurate for me.

Anachiel
04-13-2012, 02:22 PM
Retrograde planets bother me a lot because there are way too many contradictory opinions on this. Though Astrology is subjective, everyone always seems to be confused on retrograde planets the most.

Bingo! You nailed it! At least from a horary point of view. That is one of the things it can do to a person if the retrograde planet signifies them. not so much in natal astrology, though.

Do you believe they are just optical illusions and shouldn't be important in Astrology?

No, they are important.

Do you believe a retrograde planet becomes weak?

Weak is....circumstantial. Sometimes that is a good thing or can help...sometimes not. Depends on the context.

Do you believe it still acts like a planet in a direct motion but you feel the energies more internally?

Sounds like a modern natal interpretation. But, I ask you, what don't we experience or feel internally?

Do you believe retrograde planets become stronger (and exalted) when placed in bad houses, positions and they become weaker when placed in good houses?

No, that sounds like something the Nodes might do but, not a retrograde planet, even natally.

Think of it like this: It isn;t normal for a planet to go "backwards" so, that planet is doing something contrary to it's noraml circumstance. Or, it has a differing view or motion that what is going on around it. Many famous people have one or two (or more) retrograde planets. Look a few famous people up and see. It's not a "detriment" anymore than anything else may or may not be. Again it is contextual.

Vista
04-13-2012, 02:26 PM
There might be something to retrogrades. Astrologers caution people to be careful during mercury retrograde and to not start anything new during that time - "expect everything to go backwards while mercury is going backwards".

Astrologer Arlene Kramer says that "Astrologers have identified three retrograde planet situations that create enough disorder to warrant special caution. These are Mercury, Mars and Saturn." and "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong during Mercury Retrograde." She also cautions "never buy a car when mars is retrograde" and that a business started while Saturn retrograde is likely to only last a year.

John McCormick's "The Book of Retrogrades" analyzes the statistics of retrograde planets. One striking finding was the relation between Retrograde Neptune and World War II Generals - they had it 92% instead of 44%.

He also found that the number of retrograde planets in a chart was more significant than the actual identity of the planets:

Two retrograde planets (29%): People are drawn to and like and accept those who have two retrograde planets in the natal horoscope

Three retrograde planets (26%): Determination to excel in some speciality

One retrograde planet (18%): Independent, can work alone and achieve alone, does not need company to be happy

Four retrograde planets (12%): Writers, who withdraw and seek expression in private, solitary professions

No retrograde planets (7.7%): Unique in their perseverance to attain their goals. Found a lot in athletes and dancers. Found in unexpectedly high number (36%!) of the charts of United States Presidents

http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology15.asp

I found this to be true in my case. Does anyone else find this true for themselves?


Very interesting, I have 3 Rx planets and what is said about this to be true. I would think retrograde periods of planets to be easier to deal with for people who have them natally, in particular the outer planets.

byjove
04-13-2012, 02:33 PM
byjove, I'm no expert but I understand that retrogradation is considered significant by Hellenistic astrologers http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf :smile:



Hmm I see. So we have to figure out at which stage of the retrogradation cycle a planet was at natally to figure out what it's telling us?

If so, this reminds me of the subtle differences between dexter and sinister aspects. It looks the same, but it's not.

p82 really starts to go into the different stages of retrogradation and their significance natally if anyon'e on the hunt.

What about benifics or very strong, positive aspects supporting a first stage retrogradation? Is this useful? Like a person with a physical disability that impedes their day to day work but with the aid of people around them that are supportive?

How do I tell which stage my retrograde native planets were at? Do I simply check the date of retrogrades for that year and divide by 3 or 2?

Carris
04-13-2012, 02:41 PM
Thanks guys. Moog - there are some details on that link given - and zero means unique in perseverence.

Do you find that mercury's significations (i.e. communications, transport, media etc) started during retrograde mercury actually become problematic? Does a letter sent during rx mer get misplaced in the mail? Do plane, train schedules go off?

In a natal chart, is a prominently (i.e conjunct the angles, final dispositor, etc) placed rx merc less talkative? Or not so quick at repartee? Is a prominent rx saturn less disciplined or cautious? Is rx mars less aggressive or just slow to anger?

persephone5
04-13-2012, 06:38 PM
I've always wondered about retrogrades as well. They confuse me partly because I have zero in my chart. Even my NN is direct, which I read once is not a very good thing? My husband has 6 planets retro! All from mars on down. Geez! And his mars is in libra!

JUPITERASC
04-13-2012, 07:41 PM
That's interesting Carris. There's a lot more I'd like to know about the sample there. But I find statements like this far too vague to be meaningful; Personally I have 0 retrograde planets in my chart, but it certainly applies to me.
Most people have at least one retrograde planet so IMO your chart is fairly unusual Moog.

One of my friends has six retrograde planets :smile:
Retrograde planets bother me a lot because there are way too many contradictory opinions on this. Though Astrology is subjective, everyone always seems to be confused on retrograde planets the most. Do you believe they are just optical illusions and shouldn't be important in Astrology? Do you believe a retrograde planet becomes weak?
Do you believe it still acts like a planet in a direct motion but you feel the energies more internally? Do you believe retrograde planets become stronger (and exalted) when placed in bad houses, positions and they become weaker when placed in good houses?

A while ago practicing astrologer Vettius Valens wrote an "Anthology" of the astrological practices of his predecessors as well as of his own time in which he says when a planet is in the interval of first station to second station (i.e. retrograde), the planet is "walking backwards and is therefore not fit to conduct its business".

i.e. two thousand years ago, astrologers considered a Retrograde planet as "walking backwards" and therefore unable to work well...

EXCEPT when that planet is either specifically Stationary Retrograde or Stationary Direct - THEN under those special circumstances, a planet is considered "intensified" and to be "making an appearance" and/or to be "dramatically showing something"and a planet in that condition is described as "having an appearance that speaks"

clearly then, based on these ancient ideas a stationary Retrograde planet {and of course a stationary Direct planet, since both are stationary} may be described as dramatically drawing our attention to some matter

btw Vettius Valens translation is available free gratis and for nothing in pdf form translated by Professor Riley at this link http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf

Moog
04-13-2012, 07:51 PM
Most people have at least one retrograde planet so IMO your chart is fairly unusual Moog.

One of my friends has six retrograde planets :smile:

Wooo, I'm special :lol:

He also found zero retrograde planets in an unexpectedly high number (36%!) Of the charts of United States Presidents. The road to the Presidency is arduous and perseverance is needed to attain that goal.

Moog for president, yes?

Moog
04-13-2012, 07:53 PM
How's your friend with 6 retro planets making out then?

JUPITERASC
04-13-2012, 08:14 PM
How's your friend with 6 retro planets making out then?
Fine. :smile:

Blackempress
04-13-2012, 08:21 PM
Two retrograde planets (29%): People are drawn to and like and accept those who have two retrograde planets in the natal horoscope




This is somewhat true but then it also depends on other factors of the chart. So far of all the stuff I have read on Rx I can't understand if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I'd personally think outer planet energies would be alot more useful Direct than Rx. For eg. I have Rx Uranus in 9 which makes me an 'internal' rebel & conform externally. I'd rather be straight & rebellious outright. :annoyed:

SniperBomber328
04-14-2012, 04:45 AM
Thanks guys. Moog - there are some details on that link given - and zero means unique in perseverence.

Do you find that mercury's significations (i.e. communications, transport, media etc) started during retrograde mercury actually become problematic? Does a letter sent during rx mer get misplaced in the mail? Do plane, train schedules go off?

In a natal chart, is a prominently (i.e conjunct the angles, final dispositor, etc) placed rx merc less talkative? Or not so quick at repartee? Is a prominent rx saturn less disciplined or cautious? Is rx mars less aggressive or just slow to anger?


Well I'll tell you one thing. I have Merc. retro in the 1st Scorpio and it definitely does not make me less talkative, In fact a lot of people get annoyed simply, because I tend to over-talk when describing so much or just being downright too talkative.

I am less disciplined ( I also have Rx Saturn....luck me *sarcasm*). Hm....I wonder?

dr. farr
04-14-2012, 05:05 AM
While Parasara ("father of Vedic astrology") considered planets in retrograde as = to being in exaltation, and rx planets are considered "strong" in Vedic astrology in general, their general teaching regarding practical rx delineation is pretty much as follows:
-if the planet is a functional benefic and is rx, its benefic influences are doubled
-if the planet is a functional malefic and is rx, its malefic influences are doubled

An excellent collection of varying thoughts and insights regarding the rx question (mostly from the Vedic point of view) can be found in G. Inglis book, "Retrograde Planets" (astroamerica.com)

SniperBomber328
04-14-2012, 05:10 AM
While Parasara ("father of Vedic astrology") considered planets in retrograde as = to being in exaltation, and rx planets are considered "strong" in Vedic astrology in general, their general teaching regarding practical rx delineation is pretty much as follows:
-if the planet is a functional benefic and is rx, its benefic influences are doubled
-if the planet is a functional malefic and is rx, its malefic influences are doubled

An excellent collection of varying thoughts and insights regarding the rx question (mostly from the Vedic point of view) can be found in G. Inglis book, "Retrograde Planets" (astroamerica.com)

I should switch to the Vedic System, they always have a lot more postive outlooks than Tropical. I have a functional (benefic) Mars, Saturn and Mercury. I wonder since Saturn and Mercury are Rx in my chart, whether they would be greatly emphasized in a positive sense?

Carris
04-14-2012, 05:11 AM
Well I'll tell you one thing. I have Merc. retro in the 1st Scorpio and it definitely does not make me less talkative, In fact a lot of people get annoyed simply, because I tend to over-talk when describing so much or just being downright too talkative.

I am less disciplined ( I also have Rx Saturn....luck me *sarcasm*). Hm....I wonder?
While merc in sco should actually talk very deeply and thoughtfully. So could that mean that rx merc works in a more over-the-top manner - its less clear about what it wants to say - so ends up saying more. What about what Jupiterasc said - "dramatically drawing our attention" to something - is your merc drawing attention to the house that it rules or is placed in?

I too have a prominent rx saturn - I'm not too disciplined or cautious - in fact I can be very procrastinating at times.

dr. farr
04-14-2012, 05:15 AM
All other factors being equal, the answer to your question from the Vedic viewpoint would be "yes".
I like BOTH the Western and the Vedic approaches, and I also refute elements/outlooks in both approaches-that's why I am an eclectic; I'll also mention that its the concepts and methods/technqiues, not whether the tropical or sidereal zodiac is used as the matrix, that is of the most value, relative to BOTH the Western and the Vedic approaches (I personally follow the sayana school, regarding the Vedic outlook relating to the use of the Tropical rather than the sidereal zodiac, as the fundamental matrix; ie, I use the Tropical zodiac both in Western and in Vedic astrological delineaitons)

Note: I consider the 2 best books studying rx from a purely Western astrology perspective, to be those by H.A. Garrett:
-"Understanding Retrograde"
and...
-"More About Retrograde"
...both of these books are available from various astrological book vendors on the internet, such as astroamerica.com

Carris
04-14-2012, 05:17 AM
This is somewhat true but then it also depends on other factors of the chart. So far of all the stuff I have read on Rx I can't understand if it's a good thing or a bad thing. I'd personally think outer planet energies would be alot more useful Direct than Rx. For eg. I have Rx Uranus in 9 which makes me an 'internal' rebel & conform externally. I'd rather be straight & rebellious outright. :annoyed:
Is your uranus in a gauquelin sector? Is your career, vocation or work requirement of a uranian nature?

Also, if uranus is not conjunct one of the angles or in exact aspect to the luminaries, then you would not be very rebellious in any case even if it were direct, I think.

SniperBomber328
04-14-2012, 05:19 AM
While merc in sco should actually talk very deeply and thoughtfully. So could that mean that rx merc works in a more over-the-top manner - its less clear about what it wants to say - so ends up saying more. What about what Jupiterasc said - "dramatically drawing our attention" to something - is your merc drawing attention to the house that it rules or is placed in?

I too have a prominent rx saturn - I'm not too disciplined or cautious - in fact I can be very procrastinating at times.


OMG I am a procrastinator too! What house and sign is your Saturn in? Mines in the 4th Auqarius!

Carris
04-14-2012, 05:31 AM
OMG I am a procrastinator too! What house and sign is your Saturn in? Mines in the 4th Auqarius!
My rx saturn is in 12th in gemini. But its also opp venus which may be causing the procrastinating.

SniperBomber328
04-14-2012, 05:40 AM
My rx saturn is in 12th in gemini. But its also opp venus which may be causing the procrastinating.

Well then is must be the Rx. My Saturn is square my Mercury-Mars-Pluto conjunction in the 1st and Trine my Jupiter in the 12th. Unless a hard aspcet to Venus or Mars indicates laziness, my best bet would be an Rx Saturn.

JUPITERASC
04-14-2012, 03:00 PM
OMG I am a procrastinator too! What house and sign is your Saturn in? Mines in the 4th Auqarius!
Compared to walking forwards, how speedy is someone who is walking backwards? My rx saturn is in 12th in gemini. But its also opp venus which may be causing the procrastinating.
Compare two people who are both walking... one is walking backwards, the other is walking forwards...
Well then is must be the Rx. .......Unless a hard aspcet to Venus or Mars indicates laziness, my best bet would be an Rx Saturn.
How easy is walking backwards? :smile:

retinoid
04-16-2012, 03:12 AM
Compared to walking forwards, how speedy is someone who is walking backwards?
Compare two people who are both walking... one is walking backwards, the other is walking forwards...

How easy is walking backwards? :smile:

Planets don't move backwards...they are however closer to the earth during retrograde so therefore their influence is greater. For some people, a mars retrograde would be good if their mars is good. For others, it could bring a lot of confusion, lack of energy/drive/etc. Retrograde makes a planet more potent in a person's life, for good or bad depending on their natal planet's disposition.

Anachiel
04-16-2012, 03:07 PM
Now this might be off the wall and, certainly someone more erudite with the concept with have to fill int he blanks. With that caveat, here goes:

Einstein postulated that objects moving forward and backward through time and space emit different frequencies. Off course this was all relative to the observer, like most things are.

Now, is it then possible that a planet, that appears to us as observers to move backward, would emit a different frequency than when we observe it to go forward thorugh time and space?

I warned you....

Carris
04-16-2012, 05:18 PM
Now this might be off the wall and, certainly someone more erudite with the concept with have to fill int he blanks. With that caveat, here goes:

Einstein postulated that objects moving forward and backward through time and space emit different frequencies. Off course this was all relative to the observer, like most things are.

Now, is it then possible that a planet, that appears to us as observers to move backward, would emit a different frequency than when we observe it to go forward thorugh time and space?

I warned you....
Yes it could - and maybe our human perception is such. Its only from earth's point of view that saturn appears to be moving backwards when it actually is not. So maybe thats what happens to us earthlings - we view things in a wrong way from our point of view when in retrograde.

Bina
04-16-2012, 05:53 PM
Now this might be off the wall and, certainly someone more erudite with the concept with have to fill int he blanks. With that caveat, here goes:

Einstein postulated that objects moving forward and backward through time and space emit different frequencies. Off course this was all relative to the observer, like most things are.

Now, is it then possible that a planet, that appears to us as observers to move backward, would emit a different frequency than when we observe it to go forward thorugh time and space?

I warned you....

This is so interesting!!

To continue on this line of thoughts:
Would a retrograde planet, if it emits a different frequency then when it is in forward motion, also have a different effect astrologically - and in what way would it be different?? :surprised:

Anachiel
04-16-2012, 06:55 PM
Yes it could - and maybe our human perception is such. Its only from earth's point of view that saturn appears to be moving backwards when it actually is not. So maybe thats what happens to us earthlings - we view things in a wrong way from our point of view when in retrograde.

Well, Einstein theories are based on relativity. So, perception is a big part of the deal. The fact that we see something a certain way does not make it wrong. It just means that our view of the matter is relative to where we are at and when we see the thing occur. It's not wrong or right, really. Those fatalistic terms have bound up humanity for too long. However, perhaps retrograde simply offers a different perspective in and of itself.....like the flip side of the same coin......
 
 
This is so interesting!!
To continue on this line of thoughts:
Would a retrograde planet, if it emits a different frequency then when it is in forward motion, also have a different effect astrologically - and in what way would it be different??

I would think it would, Bina. But, that is just my own thought on the matter. However, most of the posts in this thread describe the various effects of retrograde. Im just throwing out a probable explanation from the point of physics and that is shaky at best :)

JUPITERASC
04-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Well, Einstein theories are based on relativity. So, perception is a big part of the deal. The fact that we see something a certain way does not make it wrong. It just means that our view of the matter is relative to where we are at and when we see the thing occur. It's not wrong or right, really. Those fatalistic terms have bound up humanity for too long. However, perhaps retrograde simply offers a different perspective in and of itself.....like the flip side of the same coin......
 
I would think it would, Bina. But, that is just my own thought on the matter. However, most of the posts in this thread describe the various effects of retrograde. Im just throwing out a probable explanation from the point of physics and that is shaky at best :)
To an observer on earth, a planet does indeed SEEM to be “walking backwards” IN COMPARISON TO aka RELATIVE TO other planets also orbiting the sun along with earth.

The illusion is caused by the speed at which the planet is traveling relative to its orbital position around the sun as observed from planet earth.

Planets apparently “walking backwards” - (as the ancients so graphically described it) – are as close to Earth as they can get AND ALSO very bright in the night sky.

The ancients understandably regarded a planet in that condition as “intensified” and/or "making an appearance" aka "dramatically showing something" aka "having an appearance that speaks" aka “dramatically drawing attention” to some matter.

This is so interesting!!


To continue on this line of thoughts:
Would a retrograde planet, if it emits a different frequency then when it is in forward motion, also have a different effect astrologically - and in what way would it be different?? :surprised:
That's exactly the idea Bina... that "retrograde" planets are somehow "different astrologically" than when in forward motion :smile:

dr. farr
04-17-2012, 02:08 AM
Of course the apparently retrograde planet is still moving forward in its orbit, so that wouldn't change, however, RELATIVE to the earth there is a "change", and that change relative to the earth, could certainly have a modulating effect upon that planet's energies vis-a-vis the earth, so, I think Anachiel might well have a very good point (possibly a valid poiunt) regarding this matter!!

JUPITERASC
04-17-2012, 02:27 AM
Now this might be off the wall and, certainly someone more erudite with the concept with have to fill int he blanks. With that caveat, here goes:

Einstein postulated that objects moving forward and backward through time and space emit different frequencies. Off course this was all relative to the observer, like most things are.

Now, is it then possible that a planet, that appears to us as observers to move backward, would emit a different frequency than when we observe it to go forward thorugh time and space?

I warned you....

Of course the apparently retrograde planet is still moving forward in its orbit, so that wouldn't change, however, RELATIVE to the earth there is a "change", and that change relative to the earth, could certainly have a modulating effect upon that planet's energies vis-a-vis the earth, so, I think Anachiel might well have a very good point (possibly a valid point) regarding this matter!!
Makes sense dr. farr - it's all relative! :smile:

!4C
04-18-2012, 08:57 PM
I have retro cancer mars in 12th of my chart. It seems that I do have a tenancy to direct my mars energy inward more than outward. I'm the type of person that spends more time thinking things through so action I take will be as minimal as possible. However, I am reactionary to environmental demands and very active environments tend to shift the balance to more outward than inward. So environmental control may be a way to manipulate the expression of a retro planet.

Also, my progressed retro mars is now in gemini 11th. I ignored this for the longest time because it seemed silly to me to go backwards on the wheel. Recently I've come to the conclusion that I do enjoy splitting my time 50/50 working alone and in collaborative groups. I like exchanging ideas in groups, but I can't get anything done unless I regroup on my own to think things through. When ever I hit a roadblock, I want to switch environments. So it would be prudent to interpret natal and progressed as resonant energy between the two.

Claire19
04-19-2012, 01:23 AM
No one has an opinion?
You can find info on retrogrades online. I dont have any so cant help you. Martin Schulman has a book on them.

I believe they are particularly karmic and need real effort to use properly. They are planets that seem to be going backwards when you are born, but that is an optical illlusion.

Claire19
04-19-2012, 01:30 AM
My rx saturn is in 12th in gemini. But its also opp venus which may be causing the procrastinating.
Saturn in the 12th Gemini is opposing Venus in Sagittarius and 6th?
It is more that you have issues with diet, health and perhaps your everyday work that is a legacy from the past. You may be a writer or involved in publishing in some way and this can be an activity that you do more in your retirement years. You can have problems with money and finding work and I would say you like to read, think and study a lot in private.

We need the whole chart to see what other aspects are affecting it. I think you were used to be in a cloistered situation in the past, perhaps a teaching nun or involved in charity work and making short trips around the neighbourhood. You were used to having your needs taken care of and this time you have to earn money for your daily bread, shelter and clothing. .

SniperBomber328
04-19-2012, 03:16 AM
About the different frequencies between a(n) Rx planet and direct planet, I am so surprised! Perhaps Atrology can be proven in the near future (or far) with science. Though I hope it will be when I'm alive, since I want to see it happening, and live to tell the tale.

P.S. About the 'Thanks' feature (sorry if it sort of diverts from the thread), has it been removed? I wanted to thank Anachiel for her useful post.