Mental diseases and Sagitarrius/Jupiter afflictions
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RisingPluto
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Hmm, interesting.....
If jupiter damages ones mental health it would probably be because it
-wants- so much and is often thinking about how to get it and how to get more. Like a strong inner ego and restlessness that goes on and on.
They overindulge in smoking, foods and drugs, (not everyone ofcourse) and they are not afraid to do so either.
Here Im thinking about sun ascendant and or moon.
Also jupiter in good aspects can lead to becoming lazy and eventually very self destructive when doing nothing exept eating all day.
The saturn on jupiter for being manic depressive,
I have a conjunction between saturn and jupiter and saturn conjunct my sun, and it has always held me back from letting go of my fears. Every time I try to do something like jupiter wants, i fall hard, and its awful.
Saturn conjuncting my jupiter really makes it difficult for me to expand in life when it comes to being this hippie freespirit. And yes it does make me depressed.
I think though that jupiter can make you obsessed with ideals or ideas about certain ways of living, and if not being able to break free from a dull boring life, it will depress them and make them unbalanced.
The jupiter in aspect to saturn - jupiter is good humoured and wants to be this crazy child doing what he she wants - saturn holds you back really hard and makes your mood depressing. Moods shifting fast and is enough to drive you craaaazy.
If jupiter damages ones mental health it would probably be because it
-wants- so much and is often thinking about how to get it and how to get more. Like a strong inner ego and restlessness that goes on and on.
They overindulge in smoking, foods and drugs, (not everyone ofcourse) and they are not afraid to do so either.
Here Im thinking about sun ascendant and or moon.
Also jupiter in good aspects can lead to becoming lazy and eventually very self destructive when doing nothing exept eating all day.
The saturn on jupiter for being manic depressive,
I have a conjunction between saturn and jupiter and saturn conjunct my sun, and it has always held me back from letting go of my fears. Every time I try to do something like jupiter wants, i fall hard, and its awful.
Saturn conjuncting my jupiter really makes it difficult for me to expand in life when it comes to being this hippie freespirit. And yes it does make me depressed.
I think though that jupiter can make you obsessed with ideals or ideas about certain ways of living, and if not being able to break free from a dull boring life, it will depress them and make them unbalanced.
The jupiter in aspect to saturn - jupiter is good humoured and wants to be this crazy child doing what he she wants - saturn holds you back really hard and makes your mood depressing. Moods shifting fast and is enough to drive you craaaazy.
Frisiangal
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My 2 cents on this.
I always think of Jupiter as the 'higher octave' of Mercury. What Mercury picks up through information through its general questioning curiousity (Gemini) and then categorises into 'What can I learn from this information to use in an everyday manner?' (sifting and sorting of Virgo), Jupiter will then take and transform into knowledge through which one can progress and develop further( Sagittarius). It's a continuing ongoing partnership between the two. Mercury continues to learn and analyse information; Jupiter continues to add the knowledge
What does one see with mental issues? That there is an imbalance between learning and the ability to process information into knowledge to progress; OR one has the knowledge but cannot access the information from which it was obtained, that enables one to think about and analyse what is happening. There can be any number of astrological aspects of reasons to explain this phenomenon, according to the planets aspecting either Mercury or Jupiter.
The 'mental block' or 'uncontrolled mania' of either planet to Saturn being but one.
My personal belief is that there is a BIG difference between MENTAL issues , as such, and those so-called mental issues that are actually induced by, and are the result of, EMOTIONAL disorders. IMHO, mental issues are psyche orientated; emotional issues are soul orientated.
F.
I always think of Jupiter as the 'higher octave' of Mercury. What Mercury picks up through information through its general questioning curiousity (Gemini) and then categorises into 'What can I learn from this information to use in an everyday manner?' (sifting and sorting of Virgo), Jupiter will then take and transform into knowledge through which one can progress and develop further( Sagittarius). It's a continuing ongoing partnership between the two. Mercury continues to learn and analyse information; Jupiter continues to add the knowledge
What does one see with mental issues? That there is an imbalance between learning and the ability to process information into knowledge to progress; OR one has the knowledge but cannot access the information from which it was obtained, that enables one to think about and analyse what is happening. There can be any number of astrological aspects of reasons to explain this phenomenon, according to the planets aspecting either Mercury or Jupiter.
The 'mental block' or 'uncontrolled mania' of either planet to Saturn being but one.
My personal belief is that there is a BIG difference between MENTAL issues , as such, and those so-called mental issues that are actually induced by, and are the result of, EMOTIONAL disorders. IMHO, mental issues are psyche orientated; emotional issues are soul orientated.
F.
Lissa
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Well,I have Jupiter in 3ºLeo,in a perfect oppositon to my Saturn in3ºAquarius.Jupiter trines my Moon and Mercury(an astrology site said it trines my Sun as well,altough my Sun is26ºPisces)and Saturn makes sextiles with the Moon and Mercury as well(and Sun?).
The family on my mother's side has lots of Psychiatric problems.My mother has1brother with Schizophrenia,her other sister had Bipolar disorder and her daughter is Bipolar as well.One of my mother's aunts also has Schizophrenia,and believe my mother must have some kind of mental problem as well,because she's very nervous and has a very inconsistente behaviour.Whe I was younger,the doctor prescibed her some pills because of her nervous behaviour and emotional explosions.
My Aries Moon is also in a square with Uranus and my Ascendant-Descendant axis,and my Mercury in Aries squares Uranus and the Ascendant-Descedant as well.The truth is that find myself being really moody,and I change my emotions a lot without really knowing why.Sometimes I get really excited about life-like the world is mine-for no particular reason,and then feel like there's no sense in life just a few days after,without any particular thing in my life causing the mood change.Sometimes I feel angry or frustraded and can't tell why.Most of the time,I believe life to be good in it's essence,and feel quite good about my destiny.But there are lots of times when I feel like I'm larger than life,and therefor feel quite bored cause I can't seem to find anything in this world exciting enough(which is quite stupid if we consider that I'm not used to travel a lot and therefor have not seem a lot of this world).
I don't know if my Sagittarius in the twelfth house of psychological problems(although that house is empty)helps creating this problems.
The family on my mother's side has lots of Psychiatric problems.My mother has1brother with Schizophrenia,her other sister had Bipolar disorder and her daughter is Bipolar as well.One of my mother's aunts also has Schizophrenia,and believe my mother must have some kind of mental problem as well,because she's very nervous and has a very inconsistente behaviour.Whe I was younger,the doctor prescibed her some pills because of her nervous behaviour and emotional explosions.
My Aries Moon is also in a square with Uranus and my Ascendant-Descendant axis,and my Mercury in Aries squares Uranus and the Ascendant-Descedant as well.The truth is that find myself being really moody,and I change my emotions a lot without really knowing why.Sometimes I get really excited about life-like the world is mine-for no particular reason,and then feel like there's no sense in life just a few days after,without any particular thing in my life causing the mood change.Sometimes I feel angry or frustraded and can't tell why.Most of the time,I believe life to be good in it's essence,and feel quite good about my destiny.But there are lots of times when I feel like I'm larger than life,and therefor feel quite bored cause I can't seem to find anything in this world exciting enough(which is quite stupid if we consider that I'm not used to travel a lot and therefor have not seem a lot of this world).
I don't know if my Sagittarius in the twelfth house of psychological problems(although that house is empty)helps creating this problems.
Frisiangal
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jagetoile said:
Knowledge and experience are, to me, 2 totally different perspectives that lie within human character. To me, a word that means the same to imply Saturn's 'knowledge through experience', is wisdom, whereas Jupiter's knowledge is the natural progression from learning one's numbers and A,B,C that can produce 'insight'. It's Jupiter that 'specialises' in the particular Sagittarian field that can then progress to become the Saturn authority through experience of that specialisation. From insight comes wisdom.
The 'ideal' of Jupiter is another qualitative expression of its meaning, but it depends upon the consciousness of the individual how this 'ideal' will be expressed in Sagittarian terms. For the one it goes no further than being bigger, better, richer, and having more than one was born with; for the other it's the quest for the Holy Grail. The Bible parable of the rich, young man asking how he could obtain eternal life and his reaction to the answer is a good example of lower and higher Sagittarius at work.
As I said, it was only a personal perspective. In the 'higher mind' status, Uranus is considered the 'higher octave' of Mercury. Yet, if you consider the wheel of life, Uranus's intuitive quality through rulership of Aquarius is the logical following of Saturn's wisdom that is the care-taker of all human experience.
As I said, mental issues cover a large range and the direction they take will depend upon aspects in the natal chart. It would be interesting to see if anyone without the air signs or a Mercury-Jupiter-Saturn harsh aspect prominent also has what can be classified as 'mental issues'.
Can you name some examples? i don't understand very well what you refer as emtional disorders. thanks
In the order of planetary motion, the Moon precedes Mercury. Similarly, astrologically speaking, automatic feeling precedes conscious thought. You have to 'feel' something before you can respond with 'Ow, that hurt.' That's emotion speaking. Emotional disorders must therefore involve Moon. Mercury moves faster than the Sun but both objects refer to mind and spirit. Emotion is not involved; it's thought influenced. IMHO it's the harsh aspects from Mercury that do not include the Moon that can be termed purely 'mental issues'. In real life examples it must be very difficult to distinguish between the two because both Moon and Mercury are usually harshly aspected, and not forgetting the influence of the outer planets which add their own height and depth of altered states of consciousness. It's the research of people like yourself into mental issues that may provide the leads for the future that others can follow and verify.
F.
Frisiangal
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Hi Lissa, we posted at the same time!.
Just want to say that you sound perfectly balanced to me. Every one undergoes changes of mood, bringing out their different sides at various times but they are integrated with each other as a whole. You sound as if you are perfectly aware that you have such different sides to your nature, and there's probably a part of you that can control them to a certain degree if they tend to want to get out of hand. It's when you are NOT aware and lose control over these different parts of your nature that the 'difficulties' can arise.
I'm of an age when I am beginning to forget more than I remember! I was sure that I am showing all the symptons of approaching senility until a friend said, 'Don't worry. If you were going senile you wouldn't be aware of it! "
F.
Just want to say that you sound perfectly balanced to me. Every one undergoes changes of mood, bringing out their different sides at various times but they are integrated with each other as a whole. You sound as if you are perfectly aware that you have such different sides to your nature, and there's probably a part of you that can control them to a certain degree if they tend to want to get out of hand. It's when you are NOT aware and lose control over these different parts of your nature that the 'difficulties' can arise.
I'm of an age when I am beginning to forget more than I remember! I was sure that I am showing all the symptons of approaching senility until a friend said, 'Don't worry. If you were going senile you wouldn't be aware of it!
"F.
Lissa
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Hi Frisaingal(hope I've written your name the right way :S )
Thanks for your kind words!My moods are actually a very significant problem to me.Since my mother's family has so much Psychiatric problems,I fear thatmight have one of those problems as well one day...
Thanks a lot
Have a great 2007!
Thanks for your kind words!My moods are actually a very significant problem to me.Since my mother's family has so much Psychiatric problems,I fear thatmight have one of those problems as well one day...
Thanks a lot
Have a great 2007!
Themis
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The 'ideal' of Jupiter is another qualitative expression of its meaning, but it depends upon the consciousness of the individual how this 'ideal' will be expressed in Sagittarian terms. For the one it goes no further than being bigger, better, richer, and having more than one was born with; for the other it's the quest for the Holy Grail. The Bible parable of the rich, young man asking how he could obtain eternal life and his reaction to the answer is a good example of lower and higher Sagittarius at work.really wonderful definition. so can we deduct that hard Jupiter/Saturn aspects can indicate some "limitations" of ideals to the most practical and earthly level? Do you think that people afflicted Jupiter/saturn are most probably neither religious nor spiritual?
Frisiangal
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Themis..... so can we deduct that hard Jupiter/Saturn aspects can indicate some "limitations" of ideals to the most practical and earthly level? [/QUOTE said:I am one of those astrology people who has a positive idea regarding Saturn's influence. Therefore I don't regard it as 'limitations' but 'the limit to which I can safely go.' Jupiter will offer expansion, progress and development of one's ideals in any/every which way, that Saturn will always be prepared to give structure to in the world as long as Jupiter has the sight to see what it can be up against in attempting to fulfil them.
Saturn follows Jupiter in the planetary chain, which also relates to there coming a time, eventually, when Jupiter's idealism cannot go any further; when it has to see that by attempting to over-extend its possibilities it's going to come up against the harsh reality of 'this far and no more.' Saturn puts the brake on Jupiter's nature because Jupiter does not possess such a brake itself but, imho, Saturn only applies that brake when necessary, even in the harshest Jupiter-Saturn aspects.
Do you think that people afflicted Jupiter/saturn are most probably neither religious nor spiritual?
There is no 'leap of faith' in Sagittarius's Jupiter as there is in Neptune (or in Jupiter's traditional rulership) of Pisces which can believe without the need for physical proof. Jupiter, as per Sagittarius, is too busy expanding its OWN spirituality, trying to rise above Man's basic instinctual nature to become the role model of 'In God's Image'.
F.
Fem Greek
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Here I am,
it may be add to your knowledge that I have a lot of air-fire configurations, venus conj.Neptune (Sag.) in MC OPPoses mars in Gem. in IC, moon in Gem. 3rd squares asc. and mercury in Aquar. 12th squares uranus in Scorpio 8th.
The only earth is Sun Capri. and water ASC in Pisces.Saturn in Leo 5th to cusp of 6th.----Saturn squares Uranus but thank god Uranus trines asc.
(Astrology is a major interest for me.)
I had many quarrels with family, especially my mother at schooling years and I led myself to disconstructive relationships with men. From this I get into physcotherapy from age 21 for many years. and now I am 'doing job' in group therapy. What I realize for so many years is that I have a problem of low self esteem, bursting my nerves after suppressed regular angry emotions and I have a difficulty getting the knowledge into experience in order to avoid the same mistakes, like a difficulty to learn-even though I am a very well educated person.
I can grasp the picture of sequences, overdose my brain with info and the feelings of other people towards me and I am quite anxious to have it proved cause I question all the time.
The problems are basically given in relationships with other people to stabilize instead of collapsing them.Jupit.in Aries 1st oppose Pluto Libra in 7th.
If this can help your research.
May we have a great New Years' Eve
it may be add to your knowledge that I have a lot of air-fire configurations, venus conj.Neptune (Sag.) in MC OPPoses mars in Gem. in IC, moon in Gem. 3rd squares asc. and mercury in Aquar. 12th squares uranus in Scorpio 8th.
The only earth is Sun Capri. and water ASC in Pisces.Saturn in Leo 5th to cusp of 6th.----Saturn squares Uranus but thank god Uranus trines asc.
(Astrology is a major interest for me.)
I had many quarrels with family, especially my mother at schooling years and I led myself to disconstructive relationships with men. From this I get into physcotherapy from age 21 for many years. and now I am 'doing job' in group therapy. What I realize for so many years is that I have a problem of low self esteem, bursting my nerves after suppressed regular angry emotions and I have a difficulty getting the knowledge into experience in order to avoid the same mistakes, like a difficulty to learn-even though I am a very well educated person.
I can grasp the picture of sequences, overdose my brain with info and the feelings of other people towards me and I am quite anxious to have it proved cause I question all the time.
The problems are basically given in relationships with other people to stabilize instead of collapsing them.Jupit.in Aries 1st oppose Pluto Libra in 7th.
If this can help your research.
May we have a great New Years' Eve
- If the Moon and Mercury are in angles from the ascendant and are not aspected by their dispositors nor are they conjoined with other planets, the native may suffer from schizophrenia or insanity.
Andonis
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I think depression problems can be sensed easily when one sees Intercepted Signs. The further away from the equator the greater the differences between house sizes. This makes it possible for some signs in the horoscope to be totally intercepted. In other words to be totally enclosed in a house, and therefore not to appear at the beginning of any house. If one sign is intercepted then the opposite one is also intercepted. If two signs are intecepted then two other signs must do double duty and each has to appear on two house cusps. A horoscope with an intercepted sign shows a 'blockage'. The qualities of that sign have difficulty in coming out. Like a room in a house that can only be reached by first going through another room. An interception means that your early environment did not give you the ability to deal with the things ruled by the intercepted signs. The qualities of those signs get bottled up and repressed.....and eventually they burst out.....in not always appropriate ways. If you have intercepted signs you must have also duplicated signs as well. These signs and their intercepted houses can show a way out of the difficulties caused by the intercepted signs.
You can look at the ruling planets of your intercepted signs. The house and sign position of thoses planets and the aspects they form can solve the problems caused by the interception. SOMETIMES though one of these planets is also placed inside an intercepted sign. That is like having your keys locked inside your car!!!! It usually means that this planet cannot be used to overcome the interception.....
For example, Gemini - Sag intercepted: Gemini a sign of curiocity. Information gatherer and objective. Sag. is the sign of generalities. It takes the details of Gemini gathers and puts them into principles.
Interception breaks this balance. useless info is gathered. The intercepted Sag cannot help discriminate between important facts and drivel. Since Taurus begins the house there is also a tendence to be closed minded.
There is also a tendency to keep quiet in case you are embarrassed in public.
In the opposite house where Sag is intercepted Scorpio is on the cusp where everything is heavy and in depth. But Sag is intercepted and there is difficulty to express your opinion with enthusiasm or even express them at all!
Secrets are scorpios' a specialty too! Since Gemini is intercepted on the other side you have also problem in coming up with reasons for backing up what you say and claim and sounds dogmatic (take it or leave it). And too often people leave it and pay no attention to your views. One has to find ways out and good aspects of Mercury Jupiter are important.....
You can look at the ruling planets of your intercepted signs. The house and sign position of thoses planets and the aspects they form can solve the problems caused by the interception. SOMETIMES though one of these planets is also placed inside an intercepted sign. That is like having your keys locked inside your car!!!! It usually means that this planet cannot be used to overcome the interception.....
For example, Gemini - Sag intercepted: Gemini a sign of curiocity. Information gatherer and objective. Sag. is the sign of generalities. It takes the details of Gemini gathers and puts them into principles.
Interception breaks this balance. useless info is gathered. The intercepted Sag cannot help discriminate between important facts and drivel. Since Taurus begins the house there is also a tendence to be closed minded.
There is also a tendency to keep quiet in case you are embarrassed in public.
In the opposite house where Sag is intercepted Scorpio is on the cusp where everything is heavy and in depth. But Sag is intercepted and there is difficulty to express your opinion with enthusiasm or even express them at all!
Secrets are scorpios' a specialty too! Since Gemini is intercepted on the other side you have also problem in coming up with reasons for backing up what you say and claim and sounds dogmatic (take it or leave it). And too often people leave it and pay no attention to your views. One has to find ways out and good aspects of Mercury Jupiter are important.....
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Fem Greek
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Hi Andonis,
Even though your reazoning is quite close and describes my reality, I don't have any intercepted signs if I understand correctly what it is. The 12 signs reside in each separate house. 1st Pisces, 2nd Aries....11th Capr.,12th Aquarious.
I have a mystic rectangle in the axis of MC-IC
(A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, my case masculine (Air and Fire).....
Working with a Mystic Rectangle takes some practice because in order for it to hold up, all four planets must be working together and supporting each other.....
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html#Mystic%20Rectangle)
and after your quotes I was thinking if there is the possibility of Sun-Capricorn and Uranus-Scorpio with my asc-Pisces who are the only signs in EARTH and WATER are the ONES
1.that indicate the solutions to the problems
2.The house and sign position of thoses planets and the aspects they form can solve the problems caused by the hard aspects of my natal chart
????????????
Also my mercury and moon are aspected by their dispositors and mercury has good qualities...at least I believe that I am not schizophrenic neither insane.
If it would be helpful to have a look at my chart (in case I am confusing you) or in order to grasp better the image of my natal configurations, let me know to send it to you.
and of course, I would appreciate it! if I can advance my knowledge to this.
Even though your reazoning is quite close and describes my reality, I don't have any intercepted signs if I understand correctly what it is. The 12 signs reside in each separate house. 1st Pisces, 2nd Aries....11th Capr.,12th Aquarious.
I have a mystic rectangle in the axis of MC-IC
(A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, my case masculine (Air and Fire).....
Working with a Mystic Rectangle takes some practice because in order for it to hold up, all four planets must be working together and supporting each other.....
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html#Mystic%20Rectangle)
and after your quotes I was thinking if there is the possibility of Sun-Capricorn and Uranus-Scorpio with my asc-Pisces who are the only signs in EARTH and WATER are the ONES
1.that indicate the solutions to the problems
2.The house and sign position of thoses planets and the aspects they form can solve the problems caused by the hard aspects of my natal chart
????????????
Also my mercury and moon are aspected by their dispositors and mercury has good qualities...at least I believe that I am not schizophrenic neither insane.
If it would be helpful to have a look at my chart (in case I am confusing you) or in order to grasp better the image of my natal configurations, let me know to send it to you.
and of course, I would appreciate it! if I can advance my knowledge to this.
Themis
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hi Frisiangal, thank you very much for explaining the "atheism" with afflicted Jupiter/Saturn aspect. i just came across this aphorisms in the "Choice Aphorisms" from the "Seven Segments of Cardan" editted by William Lilly 1675. "Aphorisms relating to nativities: 3. Those that have Saturn in opposition to Jupiter, will never enjoy peace, and those that have Dragon's Tail with Jupiter, will seldom be rich". I wonder what this aphorism really means. it is obvious that the ancient astrologers have talked about the lack of "peace" with afflicted Jupiter/Saturn affliction, i find it very interesting. but at the same time, as i put it up in another thread, i wonder to which degree we should apply the aphorisms. however, it's interesting to note that ancient astrologer's believed firmly that astrology is a "divine science". so i wonder about the hidden logic of this aphorim. were they thinking that people who did not believe in "divinity" lacked of "inner peace"?
Frisiangal
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Themis: Those that have Saturn in opposition to Jupiter, will never enjoy peace, and those that have Dragon's Tail with Jupiter, will seldom be rich". I wonder what this aphorism really means...................it's interesting to note that ancient astrologer's believed firmly that astrology is a "divine science". so i wonder about the hidden logic of this aphorim. were they thinking that people who did not believe in "divinity" lacked of "inner peace"?
It's difficult to say what was in the mind of the ancients. Everyone will interpret the words in what they believe them to mean.
Looking at it astrologically, Jupiter is all about expansion. It doesn't know when to stop and just goes on and on for bigger and better. It rules the mutable signs, so is always associated with ongoing movement. If one is always on the go, how can one ever undergo the feeling of peace (as in rest)? It may not take too kindly to Saturn attempting to provide it by slowing it down.
As far as divinity goes, Jupiter is the kindly, benevolent God that brings joy and happiness in abundance. Saturn, however, is the fire and brimstone old testament God that demands discipline and frugality. It must be difficult for those with a harsh Jupiter-Saturn to combine the two sides within their religious upbringing and/or within themselves. This could account for a lack of 'peace of mind', especially if one attempts to take from the tree of knowledge and comes up against the wrath of a so-called unforgiving god in the form of guilt
F.
business voodoo
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friesian ... what a wonderful description of jupiter/saturn push/pull relationship!
kimbermoon
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hey folks
I too have been studying the concepts of indicators for mental disorders in the birth chart. I have always believed that it is Uranus which is the higher octave of Mercury and this remains a consistent factor in the charts that I have studied. Uranus after all represents erractic and unpredictable behavior as well as eccentricity. The balance can easily tip between genius and insanity. There also seems to be a strong connection with Mercury/Neptune afflictions, especially if these are involved in strong configuration with other triggers.
My partner is living with bi-polar disorder and these are the indications in his chart, as just one example:
Neptune in his 3rd house at the midpoint of a Sun/Uranus opposition across the 6th/12th house polarity. Uranus is joined with the South Node. There is no emphasis in Sagittarius although Jupiter is in the opposite sign of Gemini.There is no aspect between Jupiter and Mercury however Jupiter is trine Neptune, which seems to work as a detriment for him causing a degree of scatteredness and lack of energy and motivation.
Another factor that can contribute to disorders of the mind may well be the Mars/Saturn conjunct, which also seems to be present in many of the charts I have studied.
second example: another Mars/Saturn conjunct at the midpoint of a Venus/Neptune opposition. Neptune in Sagittarius inconjunct Mercury, yet no affliction with Jupiter. In this female, Jupiter is in opposition the Pisces Moon yet sextile the Sun. No connection between Jupiter and Mercury.
These are but two examples among the many I have studied where there seems to be no significant configurations between Jupiter and Mercury. Again Uranus is the 'creative intellect' and seems much more fitting as the higher octave of Mercury.
While Jupiter is the seeker after higher truths, the Sagittarian mind represents more than mere intellectual understanding because it is expanded through philosophies, perception and higher awareness.
perhaps this adds some clarity?
kimbermoon
I too have been studying the concepts of indicators for mental disorders in the birth chart. I have always believed that it is Uranus which is the higher octave of Mercury and this remains a consistent factor in the charts that I have studied. Uranus after all represents erractic and unpredictable behavior as well as eccentricity. The balance can easily tip between genius and insanity. There also seems to be a strong connection with Mercury/Neptune afflictions, especially if these are involved in strong configuration with other triggers.
My partner is living with bi-polar disorder and these are the indications in his chart, as just one example:
Neptune in his 3rd house at the midpoint of a Sun/Uranus opposition across the 6th/12th house polarity. Uranus is joined with the South Node. There is no emphasis in Sagittarius although Jupiter is in the opposite sign of Gemini.There is no aspect between Jupiter and Mercury however Jupiter is trine Neptune, which seems to work as a detriment for him causing a degree of scatteredness and lack of energy and motivation.
Another factor that can contribute to disorders of the mind may well be the Mars/Saturn conjunct, which also seems to be present in many of the charts I have studied.
second example: another Mars/Saturn conjunct at the midpoint of a Venus/Neptune opposition. Neptune in Sagittarius inconjunct Mercury, yet no affliction with Jupiter. In this female, Jupiter is in opposition the Pisces Moon yet sextile the Sun. No connection between Jupiter and Mercury.
These are but two examples among the many I have studied where there seems to be no significant configurations between Jupiter and Mercury. Again Uranus is the 'creative intellect' and seems much more fitting as the higher octave of Mercury.
While Jupiter is the seeker after higher truths, the Sagittarian mind represents more than mere intellectual understanding because it is expanded through philosophies, perception and higher awareness.
perhaps this adds some clarity?
kimbermoon