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Rebel Uranian
10-07-2011, 09:37 PM
Saturn in Aries, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Libra. Two of the planets are debilitated. However, if you switch them between the signs trying to give them the same dignity or debility (there is mutual reception by debility, although it is not commonly mentioned, from what I understand) the only time they will all have the same dignity is when they are all in domicile. Two planets in opposition will not be in reception because they already have the same dignity and take the path of least resistance (astrology is all about paths of least resistance) and not receive anything. Of course, to be logical there will be some sort of reception, but it is not quite as strong. But 3 planets in mutual reception with two squares and one opposition is tricky. There is no mutual opposition. Or is this a legit idea at all? It might not be...

JUPITERASC
10-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Saturn in Aries, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Libra. Two of the planets are debilitated. However, if you switch them between the signs trying to give them the same dignity or debility (there is mutual reception by debility, although it is not commonly mentioned, from what I understand) the only time they will all have the same dignity is when they are all in domicile. Two planets in opposition will not be in reception because they already have the same dignity and take the path of least resistance (astrology is all about paths of least resistance) and not receive anything. Of course, to be logical there will be some sort of reception, but it is not quite as strong. But 3 planets in mutual reception with two squares and one opposition is tricky. There is no mutual opposition. Or is this a legit idea at all? It might not be...

From a traditional perspective, a mutual reception (which requires that the planets also aspect each other) generally mitigates problems. But: With squares and oppositions, there will only be reconciliation between the things signified by the planets with "hardship and error" (Masha'allah).

Morinus adds that reception won't mitigate problems if the planets are in detriment in the signs where they are. E.g., if the Moon is in Capricorn and Saturn in Cancer, and they oppose each other by aspect, then they are in mutual reception; but since each of them is also in detriment in those signs, they are too debilitated for mutual reception to overcome their problems. So it seems your planets are too debilated for mutual reception to overcome their problems. However you have not mentioned whether it is a day or a night chart (triplicity reception possible)

A better situation would be, e.g., Moon in Libra trining Saturn in Taurus (mutual reception by exaltation). Neither is debilitated by itself in those signs. :smile:

Rebel Uranian
10-07-2011, 11:52 PM
It is a day chart. That is a good situation for Saturn and Venus, but not Mars. There's no triplicity reception on said chart :/ I picked this situation simply because I knew this wasn't the best possible scenario and I wanted to know whether it had any good at all. I know what the good scenarios are.

Would other aspects affect the reception?

dr. farr
10-08-2011, 03:19 AM
I think that reception (including mutual reception) and the issue of dignity, are two quite seperate matters: mutual reception (any kind of reception really) I submit only shows a specific relationship existing between A and B: whether that relationship will indicate a fortunate or unfortunate net influence, depends upon other circumstances (such as the dignities involved)

(Note: pre-13th century astrologers considered mutual reception to exist whether or not the planets involved were in aspect to each other; see, for example, Al-Kindi, Abu Mashar, Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra)

JUPITERASC
10-08-2011, 01:54 PM
I have a similar case too. I read mutual reception Planet rulerships doesn't have to be Domicile(Dignify) it can be Exalted too.

Here is my free 63% Astrodienst chart by the way. :ninja: I think I am Nocturnal because my Sun sign is below AC/DC line. Anyways my Mercury is Sagittarius and Jupiter in Virgo. They are mutual reception but in detriment so I gain no benefits. At the same time I don't loose either. Its basically little effect in my life.

One of my better mutual reception is Saturn and Uranus with both Ancient and Modern collide. As both planet rulership is Aquarius. Another crazy reception I have Uranus and Mars; Mars exalted Capricorn and if we agree Uranus is Exalted in Scorpio. :devil: And for Mutual reception joke for Pluto and Mars in Scorpio. :rightful: I also read Neptune is exalted in Cancer and fall in Capricorn. So even I force a Mutual Reception on Neptune and Moon. Moon is Detriment and Neptune is exalted. But I don't think mutual reception works like that because Capricorn rulership isn't Moon. Similar goes for Venus and Mars. :wink:

There is little agreement regarding so-called Exaltation of Neptune and/or any other outer planets - only traditional astrology has a coherent system dating back around two thousand years, possibly longer

It is nonsensical and not possible to crowbar the newly discovered outer planets into an ancient system of dignities.

I think that reception (including mutual reception) and the issue of dignity, are two quite seperate matters: mutual reception (any kind of reception really) I submit only shows a specific relationship existing between A and B: whether that relationship will indicate a fortunate or unfortunate net influence, depends upon other circumstances (such as the dignities involved)

(Note: pre-13th century astrologers considered mutual reception to exist whether or not the planets involved were in aspect to each other; see, for example, Al-Kindi, Abu Mashar, Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra)
Exactly so

Rebel Uranian
10-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Since the outer planets are considered higher octaves of the inner planets, we could just give them the same dignities as the inner planets which they are the higher octaves of. The biggest problem with this is obviously Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury ruling Aquarius, as it would be domiciled in Gemini and Virgo rather than Aquarius and exalted in Virgo rather than Scorpio. Uranus should be considered the higher octave of Saturn more so than Mercury if this is to be very effective. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars and Mars traditionally rules Scorpio, and Neptune is considered the higher octave of Jupiter and Jupiter traditionally rules Pisces. This would put Pluto as ruler of both Scorpio and Aries, Neptune to Pisces and Sagittarius, and Uranus to Aquarius and Capricorn. I think this is a good system _if_ you want to dignify the outer planets. I know most traditionalists would be quite mad at this, but modern astrology was (loosely) built upon traditional astrology. It's best to be aware of all systems to be able to use all systems.

Edit: On aforementioned example Mars is elevated. Does this make a difference?

JUPITERASC
10-08-2011, 04:22 PM
Since the outer planets are considered higher octaves of the inner planets, we could just give them the same dignities as the inner planets which they are the higher octaves of. The biggest problem with this is obviously Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury ruling Aquarius, as it would be domiciled in Gemini and Virgo rather than Aquarius and exalted in Virgo rather than Scorpio. Uranus should be considered the higher octave of Saturn more so than Mercury if this is to be very effective. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars and Mars traditionally rules Scorpio, and Neptune is considered the higher octave of Jupiter and Jupiter traditionally rules Pisces. This would put Pluto as ruler of both Scorpio and Aries, Neptune to Pisces and Sagittarius, and Uranus to Aquarius and Capricorn. I think this is a good system _if_ you want to dignify the outer planets. I know most traditionalists would be quite mad at this, but modern astrology was (loosely) built upon traditional astrology. It's best to be aware of all systems to be able to use all systems.

Modern astrology is not loosely based upon traditional astrology but instead is entirely dependent upon it - dignities being a good example.

Every modern astrologer has their own ideas regarding the particular so-called 'dignities of the outer planets', disagreeing amongst themselves and their differing schools of thought.

However when one views the traditional system, it is obviously, simply impossible to incorporate these ideas of 'dignified outers' into traditional astrological dignity tables such as these http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

These efforts to cram the outers into a two thousand year old system that works fine are very funny :smile:

Rebel Uranian
10-08-2011, 04:24 PM
"Loosely based" is because some of modern astrologers' viewpoints are just dead wrong, and then other viewpoints get based upon these etc. It is also entirely dependent, but still entirely different in many ways.

JUPITERASC
10-08-2011, 04:30 PM
"Loosely based" is because some of modern astrologers' viewpoints are just dead wrong, and then other viewpoints get based upon these etc. It is also entirely dependent, but still entirely different in many ways.
Modern astrology is firmly based on traditional astrology and cannot function without many of the ancient traditional techniques such as solar return, planetary dignity and many others. Whereas Traditional astrology is entirely independent of modern astrology :smile:

Gogo91
11-08-2011, 02:56 PM
Saturn in Aries, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Libra. Two of the planets are debilitated. However, if you switch them between the signs trying to give them the same dignity or debility (there is mutual reception by debility, although it is not commonly mentioned, from what I understand) the only time they will all have the same dignity is when they are all in domicile. Two planets in opposition will not be in reception because they already have the same dignity and take the path of least resistance (astrology is all about paths of least resistance) and not receive anything. Of course, to be logical there will be some sort of reception, but it is not quite as strong. But 3 planets in mutual reception with two squares and one opposition is tricky. There is no mutual opposition. Or is this a legit idea at all? It might not be...

Mutual reception isn't based on Domicile; Exaltation count as well.

In my opinion the best aspects of the 3 planets.

Mars and Venus: Mars exalted in Capricorn and Venus domicile in Libra. This is a best reception.

Saturn and Mars. Saturn exalted in Libra and Mars domicile in Aries. This is the weaker but better reception.

Mars in Aries, Venus in Libra, and Saturn in Capricorn is the weakest of the 3 reception. There is too much debility.

juicey J.
12-29-2012, 08:06 PM
First of mutual reception is only one kind of reception in which, both planets are in each others sign such as sun in aries/mars in leo. There is also one way reception such as sun in gemini mercury in gemini or sun in Pisces with jupiter in Sagittarius or mercury in cancer moon in cancer. Also, farr is right the older astrologers thought mutual reception existed with out major aspect (trine, sextile, square, or opposition) but as i understand it they agree with their later medieval counterparts that any lack of aspects or antision between them weakens the affairs between the two planets as far as i understand it a mutual reception with aspect between two debilitated planets (although not totally favorable) is better then what post 13th century astrologers call a generosity (two planets in each others sign but with not major aspect or even antision between them).

juicey J.
12-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Also, the worst connection between two planets other then inconjunct (lack of major aspect and antision) is mutual debility or planets in each other sign of determint or fall (even if its a trine or sextile) such as moon in scorpio and venus in capricorn (this is worse then an oppostion or square not all oppostion or squares are totally bad nor are all trines or sextiles totally favorable for example its generally better to have a square to a benefic then a trine to a malefic and its even better to have a square or oppostion to a dignified planet even if its a malefic then to have a favorable aspect to a debilitated planet. ) As i understand it is relatively bad for the affairs of a planet and whatever sign/ house or houses it rules if it squares, opposes, or quincuxes its lord but is in easy aspect to the planets its in determint and fall in. Seeing all trines as good and all squares or opposition (although yes they still retain difficulty and conflict) as totally bad is an over simplification modern astrology has made that errors. Well okay if a sign/house is in square to its main lords and they are in primary dignity (domiclie or exaltation or even in major mutual reception then its not so bad) and its not near as bad if a sign/house makes a favorable aspect to a planet its debilitated in if said planet is in major dignity or is involved in a major mutual reception or is being recieved by a dignified planet but if such things not the case it can spell major disaster for the affairs of said sign/house especially if any squares to malefics and/or wicked stars alignments are involved.

tsmall
12-30-2012, 01:36 AM
First of mutual reception is only one kind of reception in which, both planets are in each others sign such as sun in aries/mars in leo.

Just to clarify, mutual reception can happen by domicile as you show here, but also by exaltation (Mercury in Aries, Sun in Virgo for example) and then there are the lesser dignities--term and face. Basically I believe that mutual reception happens whenever two planets are in the dignities of each other.

There is also one way reception such as sun in gemini mercury in gemini or sun in Pisces with jupiter in Sagittarius or mercury in cancer moon in cancer.

Er, what you are outlining here suggests that in order for there to be one way reception the receiving planet has to be in it's own domiclie. For example you give Sun in Gemini but that Mercury also needs to be in Gemini, or Sun in Pisces but with Jupiter in his own home of Sagittarius. One way reception simply means that planet A is in one of the dignities of planet B, and so is "received by" planet B. A planet in the domicile, exaltation, triplicity, term or face of another planet is said to be recieved by that planet.

Also, farr is right the older astrologers thought mutual reception existed with out major aspect (trine, sextile, square, or opposition) but as i understand it they agree with their later medieval counterparts that any lack of aspects or antision between them weakens the affairs between the two planets as far as i understand it a mutual reception with aspect between two debilitated planets (although not totally favorable) is better then what post 13th century astrologers call a generosity (two planets in each others sign but with not major aspect or even antision between them).

I am not certain when antiscia became a consideration, but in order to really understand what the ancient Hellenist astrologers dr. farr referred to were doing it needs be said that aspects were then not just made by orb but by sign, called regard or witnessing. Another consideration is that reception...colors, for lack of a better word, the energy of a planet regardless of aspect. Mutual reception of planets in aversion (next door signs or signs that do not traditionally "see" each other because of the lack of Ptolemaic aspect) is still mutual reception, called as you have pointed out generosity, still has an effect, especially in natal charts. There are other considerations that could bring these planets together even without a traditional aspect, such as sings that hear each other, and signs that command and obey. Toss in parallels in latitude and declination (so not just antiscia) and there are many ways that reception can help in dileneating a chart.

Mutual reception by detriment still seems viable to me, since usually you would find that the planets involved (for example, Jupiter in Gemini and Mercury in Sagittarius) are both weakened for being in negative dignity (not taking into consideration term or face) yet they are like warring kings occupying each other's castles. Debility of dignity (such as detriment, peregrination, or fall) has nothing to do with whether or not a planet can act, but how it will act. I see this type of mutual reception in natal charts (different, way different from horary in this case) as being more like checks and balances. One is not going to slaughter the residents of the other's castle, for fear the other will slaughter the residents of his castle in return...

juicey J.
12-30-2012, 06:52 AM
Tsmall hello, first off i realize there is reception by the other 5 dignities but domicile is the main one due to being the home sign or planet in its house. Also, this is somewhat relative yes a generosity is a mutual reception and a mutual reception even a generosity is generally more favorable then an ordinary aspect but isn't as favorable for the houses/signs/affairs the planets lord over as a mutual reception with major aspect. Antiscia is factored in because its the one thing even with out major aspect which, keeps two planets from being inconjunct (not all semisextiles and quincuxes are inconjunct like many modern sources erroneously teach) which, is the worst connection two planets can have with each other. Yes a mutual reception between deblitated planets is bad (not as favorable is probably better wording) but a generosity with no antiscia is comparatively worse or at least arguably weaker for the affairs of said signs, planets, and houses involved in the primary rulerships.

juicey J.
12-30-2012, 08:12 AM
Lets get one thing straight, when looking at receptions/dispostorships its generally not so good for the affairs of a house the more dispostorships it has (like four or more planetary dispostiors, and we are mainly looking at domicile since its a planets home or the buck stops here if you will) especially if there is no final dispositor or at least mutual reception by domicile such is less favorable its for the affairs of said house even if the aspects are mainly trines (and even less so if malefics and debilitated planets are involved) so the idea of all grand trines being so wonderful in modern astrology is a load of monkey waste.

juicey J.
12-30-2012, 08:31 AM
Since tsmall brings up the other essential dignities i think it would be good to mention briefly what they basically are.

First there is domicile or planet in its home sign or house and this is the main planet a signs/houses energy if you will is concentrated towards.

Second there is exaltation which, is said to exalt or give aid to the affairs of a sign/house.

Thirdly there is triplicity which, changes if the sun is above or below the horizon at birth and is said to connect various planets and houses through an elemental relationship.

Fourthly there is term, a planet in is own term is only said to be a mimic and reception by term alone is quite weak but not as much as....

Lastly there is face, face is said to be a planet in desperation or at the last breath (face alone is the only thing keeping a planet from being peregrine or void the essential dignities which, is said to be nearly as bad as determint or fall) and planets which, a reception of any kind by face alone are said to be involved in a relationship filled with much stress and desperation.

These last dignities are based on degrees and one needs the table of essential dignites to figure and factor them.

Also, there is the almuten ruler which, is the planet which, has a combination of the dignities other then domicile over a sign/houses to the degree it trumps the sign or domicile lord as a sign/houses main dispositor/ambassador.

Kaiousei no Senshi
12-30-2012, 09:14 AM
First of mutual reception is only one kind of reception in which, both planets are in each others sign such as sun in aries/mars in leo.

It would be better to say that mutual reception is a special type of reception with astrological reception being defined as "a planet that aspects one of its rulers". Any planet can receive another without being received in turn, and that is typically the way of it since mutual receptions aren't as common.

Also, farr is right the older astrologers thought mutual reception existed with out major aspect (trine, sextile, square, or opposition) but as i understand it they agree with their later medieval counterparts that any lack of aspects or antision between them weakens the affairs between the two planets as far as i understand it a mutual reception with aspect between two debilitated planets (although not totally favorable) is better then what post 13th century astrologers call a generosity (two planets in each others sign but with not major aspect or even antision between them).

This is true, but Tsmall points out the reasoning behind this, since orbs of influence weren't really developed until later, but the idea of planets needing to see one another was always present. My understanding of generosity is different than yours. Generosities aren't in any way a bad thing, they're just less independent than mutual receptions. I'm also a bit uncomfortable with the use of antiscia when considering reception, as it's not something I've ever seen mentioned before.

Also, the worst connection between two planets other then inconjunct (lack of major aspect and antision) is mutual debility or planets in each other sign of determint or fall (even if its a trine or sextile) such as moon in scorpio and venus in capricorn

I think this idea of "negative reception" would better be served in a discussion on pushing than in a discussion on reception. Reception is defined as a planet being in the dignities of another, being in the debilities of another is not reception and they don't really operate the same way.

Er, what you are outlining here suggests that in order for there to be one way reception the receiving planet has to be in it's own domiclie. For example you give Sun in Gemini but that Mercury also needs to be in Gemini, or Sun in Pisces but with Jupiter in his own home of Sagittarius. One way reception simply means that planet A is in one of the dignities of planet B, and so is "received by" planet B. A planet in the domicile, exaltation, triplicity, term or face of another planet is said to be recieved by that planet.

A planet that is receiving another can be in any sign, just for clarification on this point. It's true that a planet can receive another planet in any of its dignities, but we start to drop off in efficiency very quickly about midway down the ladder. Reception is cool and all, and I would rather have it than not have it, but it doesn't do any good unless it's perfect reception (see what they did there?) and this occurs by being in either one of the greater dignities (domicile or exaltation) and at least two of the lesser dignities (triplicity, term, and face). The idea here is in lesser dignities planets don't have full claim over a sign like they do in major dignities. Saturn is always in domicile in Capricorn and exalted in Libra, but it isn't always triplicity lord of Gemini, for example as it has to share that with Mercury.

There are other considerations that could bring these planets together even without a traditional aspect, such as sings that hear each other, and signs that command and obey. Toss in parallels in latitude and declination (so not just antiscia) and there are many ways that reception can help in dileneating a chart.

While it's true there are other ways that planets can interact with one another, putting the signs that hear one another and signs that command and obey one another on the same level as signs that see each other is a little shaky. Mostly because signs that hear one another or have a command/obey relationship have it as a one-on-one relationship where one sign will command only one other sign that it may already have an aspectual relationship with. Firmicus writes that Cancer hears Aries, but they already Square, or that Libra hears Cancer, but they already Square as well.

Also, this is somewhat relative yes a generosity is a mutual reception and a mutual reception even a generosity is generally more favorable then an ordinary aspect but isn't as favorable for the houses/signs/affairs the planets lord over as a mutual reception with major aspect.

This is a good point to remember when working with receptions. They are all relative to one another in a hierarchy of special reception relationships. It becomes more of a "take what you can get" exercise.

Lets get one thing straight, when looking at receptions/dispostorships its generally not so good for the affairs of a house the more dispostorships it has

? A planet can only ever have one dispositor. I've never seen a traditional author hop through dispositors in the way that modern dispositor trees depict. "Look to this planet and its Lord" and that's as far as I've ever seen anyone go.

juicey J.
12-30-2012, 09:18 AM
No, not true a sign/house has as as many dispositors as there are lords for each planet robert hand says ancient astrologers had a terms for this such as "pushing the dignity". Also, your planet can only have one dispositor argument doesn't work because okay a planet has one dispositor but that planet in turn has one dispositor ect, ect, ect.n unless you run into a planet in domicile or involved in mutual reception via a domicle lordship. Also, robert E. Zoller (said by many to be the modern expert on medieval astrology) also, has said likewise. In other words its better for the affairs of a house/sign (and the other houses/signs/planets involved) the less domicile dispostors it has as it brings its related affairs to their best fruition if you will. yes they often simply say look at this ruler and thats it because they aren't going to spell every thing out for you and expect you to play connect the dots.

JUPITERASC
12-30-2012, 03:13 PM
Since tsmall brings up the other essential dignities i think it would be good to mention briefly what they basically are. ....These last dignities are based on degrees and one needs the table of essential dignites to figure and factor them.
Since juicey J has highlighted a need for a table of essential dignities to figure and factor them - then the following table of Essential Dignities is likely to be useful to anyone interested in doing so :smile:

source skyscript http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/im/dignities2.gif

JUPITERASC
12-30-2012, 06:02 PM
No, not true a sign/house has as as many dispositors as there are lords for each planet....
That's a misleading comment.

Only in whole signs does a sign = a house.

A sign has only one domicile lord
HOWEVER SOME - not all - signs also have an Exalted lord
NEVERTHELESS each sign does have a 'Detriment lord'
BUT only seven of the signs have a 'Fall lord'

Frequently sign rulers are not located in the signs they have domicile rulership of - however that does NOT mean that each house has 'multiple domicile lords'
...robert hand says ancient astrologers had a terms for this such as "pushing the dignity".

Also, your planet can only have one dispositor argument doesn't work because okay a planet has one dispositor but that planet in turn has one dispositor ect, ect, ect.n unless you run into a planet in domicile or involved in mutual reception via a domicle lordship
A sign has only one domicile lord - the fact that a planet may be located in a sign other than the sign of its domicile lordship does NOT mean - as you have implied - that then each house must have 'multiple domicile lords'
Also, robert E. Zoller (said by many to be the modern expert on medieval astrology) also, has said likewise.
Could you provide the precise text of the quote you are claiming is from Robert E Zoller :smile:
In other words its better for the affairs of a house/sign (and the other houses/signs/planets involved) the less domicile dispostors it has...
You are making a misleading comment because you are implying that one house = one sign BUT that is only true for Whole Sign Houses. Not all astrologers use Whole Sign houses and in fact there are more than thirty different house systems, fourteen of which are available on astro.com Extended Chart Selection Page

Robert Zoller did NOT say that a SIGN has more than one DOMICILE lord. Clearly a sign on a house cusp can have only ONE domicile lord

THEREFORE

Each sign is considered to be the natural home aka 'domicile' of particular planets - as detailed in the Essential Dignities table previously posted.

AND SOME signs are also considered to be the Exalted homes of SOME of the planets and so on as previously stated

for example:

Aries and Scorpio are the two natural homes aka 'domiciles' of Mars
AND
Aries is the Exalted home of the Sun AND the 'domicile' of Mars
Capricorn is the Exalted home of Mars AND the 'domicile' of Saturn
No planet is Exalted in Scorpio


Taurus and Libra are the two natural homes aka 'domiciles' of Venus
AND
Taurus is the Exalted home of the Moon AND the 'domicile' of Venus
Pisces is the Exalted home of Venus AND the 'domicile' of Jupiter
Libra is the Exalted home of Saturn AND the 'domicile' of Venus

- viewing the table I posted clarifies the issue. :smile:
...as it brings its related affairs to their best fruition if you will. yes they often simply say look at this ruler and thats it because they aren't going to spell every thing out for you and expect you to play connect the dots.
The different sign 'rulers' ARE NOT ALL DOMICILE RULERS - some rulers are Exalted rulers, some rulers are Detriment rulers, some rulers are Fall rulers, however each sign has only ONE 'domicile ruler'

Kaiousei no Senshi
12-30-2012, 09:21 PM
No, not true a sign/house has as as many dispositors as there are lords for each planet robert hand says ancient astrologers had a terms for this such as "pushing the dignity".

That's not what pushing dignity/power is. Pushing dignity is when a planet in some dignity is applying to another planet. Such as Moon in Taurus applying a Trine to Mars in Virgo, the idea is that the Moon is able to give some of her strength to Mars who will be able to benefit from it in managing the affairs of his house and whatever the Moon is pushing to it.

I still don't agree with the dispositor thing. I don't think it works out conceptually and I've never seen anyone mention anything similar, but that doesn't mean it's not out there.

juicey J.
01-01-2013, 06:39 AM
No, pushing the dignity is when a planet in deblity has it debility somewhat helped by its lord in turn being in dignity, robert hand talks about this in a lecture on receptions and said ancient astologers called this pushing the dignity and the way i understand it is the dignity is pushed until if and when it runs into a dignified planet . In other words if the lord of a house is debliated its not a death sentence but its more of one if its lord is debliated and afflicted, and its lord in turn is also, and so on. your sample doesn't work as the planets involved don't have a major rulership relationship. Yes medieval reception/aspect involvement is part of it you got that right. A moon in taurus would help a mars in cancer lessen its debility, therefore ancient astrlogers believed looking at all the lords was important before making final judgement, nearly every other medieval and hellenstic scholar on these forums will agree with much if not most of what im saying. The sample you gave is a non recieving (due to no major rulership of domicile, exaltation, or triplicity being involved) trine and has nothing to do with it, and besides you just agreed with my point which, was a planet can help another planet out and the lord of a house isn't the end all end all like you said in your first post to me (more or less with the whole only one dispostior business), your contradicting yourself. Well okay your sample would work if it was a night time chart and the moon in Taurus was reviving mars in virgo by triplicity lordship but only then would it count as a pushing the dignity. Also, once again yes a sign/house has one dispostor (talking about sign or domicile lordship) but it in turn has a dispostor, and so on unless its in its home sign.

juicey J.
01-01-2013, 07:15 AM
No jupiterasc, there is no such thing as an exalted home (the exaltation lord gives added aid and benefit to the affairs of a sign/house) and its opposite the fall planet takes away from such), there is only one home sign, the signs don't have a winter and summer home. For example a square from mars and trine from venus is especially unfavorable in general to a scorpio house and its affairs as its receiving the planet its in determint in (that which, challenges the influence of the domicile) and has difficulty receiving the aid of its domicile (house lord) ruler due to the stress aspect. Also, yes the concept of home or house sign comes from whole signs, that's what astrology orgininally consisted of and where the whole concept of domicile lordship was developed from in the first place.

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-01-2013, 08:13 AM
No, pushing the dignity is when a planet in deblity has it debility somewhat helped by its lord in turn being in dignity, robert hand talks about this in a lecture on receptions and said ancient astologers called this pushing the dignity and the way i understand it is the dignity is pushed until if and when it runs into a dignified planet

Interesting, I had listened to Rob Hand's lecture on Reception, but I don't recall him having spoken about pushing, it was a quite a bit ago when I listened to it, so it might be time for another go at it. However, I'm going to have to quote Ben Dykes on this one.

""Pushing power" which is the same as "committing virtue." ("Virtue" in Latin also means "manliness, strength, power"). Here, a planet which is already in its own domicile or exaltation applies to some other planet. An example would be Mercury in Gemini applying to Mars. See ITA III.16." (http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=67168&highlight=#67168)

That link goes to the whole post and thread which is very informative about the different concepts of pushing if anyone is interested.

Anyway, I'm entertaining the idea that we're talking about different concepts. You keep referring to "pushing the dignity", and though it sounds very similar to "pushing power", it might not be. It wouldn't be the first time I've been duped by different astrologers calling different things similar names, or similar things different names. Here's looking at you, Bonatti. :/

The sample you gave is a non recieving (due to no major rulership of domicile, exaltation, or triplicity being involved) trine and has nothing to do with it, and besides you just agreed with my point which, was a planet can help another planet out and the lord of a house isn't the end all end all like you said in your first post to me (more or less with the whole only one dispostior business), your contradicting yourself.

Right, but pushing power doesn't need reception to make it work. Only particular types of pushing require particular reception set ups, like pushing nature or Bonatti's commiting disposition, but pushing power and management don't require it (well, you could argue pushing management does for all practical purposes), but that is a whole different conversation entirely.

I'm not contradicting myself, I'm talking about different techniques entirely. Saying a planet's condition is dependent on its dispositor, but that that first planet can be bonified by other accidental dignities isn't contradiction.

Also, I never said that a planet's dispositor was the "be all, end all" for that planet as you're trying to characterize it, only that my understanding is "the buck stops there" and you don't consider other dispositors for other planets in relation to the first. Meaning, Mercury's dispositor is irrelevant for Mars in Virgo. It's just not something that I have ever seen practiced or discussed. Like I said before, I can't say for certain that it's not out there (who can say they've read all of the tradition?), but the authors I have read and studied have not mentioned it.

If you use it and do well by it, then by all means keep going. I'm not here to debate you or anything and I feel I've already let this become more of a debate than I wanted, I just like talking about reception and pushing, but I guess the link above will say all that needs to be said on this subject for now. :)

JUPITERASC
01-01-2013, 01:45 PM
No jupiterasc, there is no such thing as an exalted home
On the contrary juicey J THERE IS GOOD REASON WHY SOME PLANETS MAY SYMBOLICALLY HAVE AN EXALTED HOME


(a) Either one has a 'home of one's own' of some description OR one is 'homeless' :smile:


(b) HOW A PLANET MAY BE DESCRIBED AS SYMBOLICALLY 'HOMELESS

'…...A planet with no essential dignity is called Peregrine, a Latin word meaning 'alien' or 'foreigner' (pereger = beyond the borders, ager = land, i.e., 'beyond one's own land'). In old English, to 'peregrinate' means to wander far from home.... Property owners tend to view drifters with suspicion, and distrust their lack of stability' In symbolic terms, a peregrine planet describes a drifter - someone with no title or stake in his or her environment...' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.html

Thus a Peregrine planet most closely symbolically represents 'a homeless person' or a 'person with no permanent home, a drifter'

Drifters may occasionally find temporary homes/shelter BUT they are certainly not 'exalted' and within those temporary home, drifters are not respected as such.

A Peregrine planet represents - as Deborah Houlding describes the 'peregrine' connotation - an 'alien' person 'a foreigner' who is 'beyond their own land' and is 'mostly regarded with suspicion'

IN CONTRAST:

An exalted planet, “....ln symbolic terms is comparable to being an honoured guest in someone else's home. There is not the same level of freedom or strength as when a planet is in its own sign but it shows a dignified position, often indicating a person of respect or rank...'


When such an exalted planet is also angularly located that planet is more dignified and may have more power to act than the domicile lord of its Exaltation.


For example Venus in Taurus, Saturn in Libra:

Saturn's exalted home is Libra BECAUSE Venus welcomes Saturn and exalts Saturn AS AN HONOURED GUEST in her home aka domicile of Libra.

Venus domicile remains Venus domicile HOWEVER Venus now has a Resident in her home – i.e. Saturn.... and Saturn in Libra IS NOT 'just any old vagabond drifter off the streets, Saturn in Libra IS NOT some homeless foreigner alien to the neighborhood ' BUT INSTEAD Saturn in Libra is a dignified and honored person in command of their own considerable resources, someone of great potential assistance to Venus. FURTHERMORE Venus is not located in Libra PERMANENTLY

When Saturn enters Libra, Venus is not necessarily 'at home' herself therefore Saturn has freedom of occupation of her home aka domicile while she is 'away' in some other sign.

Saturn in Libra is not some suspicious 'homeless wanderer' aka 'drifter'

INSTEAD Saturn in Libra is an honoured guest occupying the home of the property owner, in this case Venus, while she is away

– furthermore not only is Venus in Taurus away from her Libra home BUT ALSO – from the sign of Taurus - Venus is in 150º aspect with Libra and is not fully aware of exactly what the scene is back at her alternative home

- and therefore Saturn in Libra has freedom of occupation of Venus home WITHOUT Venus supervision– even though Venus is of course involved in affairs of the Libran house and is more than happy to have Saturn throwing his weight around because Saturn is somehow helpful to the affairs of that Libran house. That's why Saturn's exalted home is Libra
....(the exaltation lord gives added aid and benefit to the affairs of a sign/house) and its opposite the fall planet takes away from such), there is only one home sign, the signs don't have a winter and summer home. For example a square from mars and trine from venus is especially unfavorable in general to a scorpio house and its affairs as its receiving the planet its in determint in (that which, challenges the influence of the domicile) and has difficulty receiving the aid of its domicile (house lord) ruler due to the stress aspect. Also, yes the concept of home or house sign comes from whole signs, that's what astrology orgininally consisted of and where the whole concept of domicile lordship was developed from in the first place.

juicey J.
01-03-2013, 03:50 PM
The exaltation house if you will is only a vacation home, a planet only has one true/main house and is the main focuses of a house/signs energies. The concept of their being more then one dispositor and the final dispositor (domicile or two planets in domicile reception is a throwback from ancient astrology, although now a bit bastardarized) Rob hand does talk about pushing the dignity in like the first half hour of his lecture on receptions.

JUPITERASC
01-03-2013, 04:03 PM
The exaltation house if you will is only a vacation home....
'Only'.... That's a misleading statement, particularly when one considers the definition of Exaltation

"After its own sign, the next best place for a planet to be is in its sign of exaltation. In symbolic terms this is comparable to being an honoured guest in someone else's home. There is not the same level of freedom or strength as when a planet is in its own sign but it shows a dignified position, often indicating a person of respect or rank" http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.html


Having a 'vacation home' is indicative of neither dignity nor rank :smile:

tsmall
01-03-2013, 04:10 PM
The exaltation rulers are much older than the domicile rulers. In the Thema Mundi, the Hellenistic diagram for understanding astrology, we can clearly see in antiquity that each planet, excluding the lights, has more than one "home" or domicile. Though I quite agree with you that each planet did have a "preferred" home, there still is a very strong case to be made for a planet being able to feel quite comfy in more than one place.

Ben Dykes, in his Introductions to Traditional Astrology, translates several Persian astrologers on the concepts of planetary relationships. There is an entire chapter dedicated to each of the methods of "pushing." As well, other written source material for explanations of these concepts and their us is widely available.

Kaiousei no Senshi has also linked to a thread elsewhere that will help in understanding, and shows that what is being defined here as "pushing the dignity" isn't how it's traditionally applied.

I have not listened to the Rob Hand lecture. While I do not doubt that he speaks of pushing, I'm not so sure I would put my faith in my understanding of pushing, or reception of any sort, in one 30 minute spot in one lecture by one astrologer. For one thing, I would want to try it out for myself. And see what other sources have to say, so that I could make sure that I thoroughly understand it.

juicey J.
01-03-2013, 09:08 PM
No, if what senshui says is true then the matters of a house/sign are greatly defeated or at least severely challenged simply by having the main or domicile lord in fall or detriment and that's just nonesense, all the dispostors of the planets involved with the ruling planet of the house have to be considered. No the idea of many dispostors/final dispositor is an ancient idea and its just the opposite of what senshui is saying, it was way more complex then the modern take on it (although ancient astrologers didn't write out long dispositor trees because they knew who they were writing for weren't childern they had to spell everything out in full detail for) with exaltation dispositors and triplicity dispositors (although only the domicile counts as final dispositor because its said sign/houses main focus point).

tsmall
01-03-2013, 09:25 PM
No, if what senshui says is true then the matters of a house/sign are greatly defeated simply by having the main or domicile lord in fall or detriment and that's just nonesense, all the dispostors of the planets involved with the ruling planet of the house have to be considered. No the idea of many dispostors/final dispositor is an ancient idea and its just the opposite of what senshui is saying, it was way more complex (although ancient astrologers didn't write out long dispositor trees because they knew who they were writing for weren't childern they had to spell everything out in full detail for) with exaltation dispositors and triplicity dispositors.

I'm terribly confused. I don't think that's what Kaiousei no Senshi was saying at all. And it seems as if you've gone from saying that reception can only happen if planets are in each other's domiciles, or in their own domiciles while receiving another planet in their domicile, to now agreeing that reception can happen in many ways.

And you'll have to refer me back to where anyone talked about the houses they rule...though the part I bolded is mostly correct. But yes, there are other dignities to be considered, as well as other rulers. For example, Venus in Virgo is in fall, but in a day chart from 8* to 17* Venus gets term and triplicity rulership. This means she is dignified and better able to see to the matters of her houses. Further, Mercury as exaltation ruler should be taken into consideration.

Could you provide a reference in the literature for the idea of a final dispositor? Personally I don't think it's way more complex that what is being explained here...and I think what's being explained here is perhaps complex enough.

JUPITERASC
01-03-2013, 09:45 PM
No, if what senshui says is true then the matters of a house/sign are greatly defeated or at least severely challenged simply by having the main or domicile lord in fall or detriment and that's just nonesense,
On the contrary, IF that is what Kaiousei No Senshi said then he IS correct BECAUSE according to medieval astrologers

...'the matters of a house' ARE 'greatly defeated or at least severely challenged simply by having the main or domicile lord in fall or detriment'

That's why medieval astrologers examine the location and aspects of ALL the rulers of a house - to discover whether or not the matters of that particular house may be remedied or alleviated by the influence of the Exalted ruler - if there is one. Not all signs have exalted rulers:smile:

However what IS nonsense certainly within the context of the idea of medieval astrology is the idea that a 'sign' itself can somehow 'be defeated'

dr. farr
01-04-2013, 05:34 AM
Personally (my opinion) I believe this issue has been run into the ground by Traditionalist dogmatists, in a manner similar to what we find in mainstream Vedic astrology, with the splitting of hairs relative to ramifications of definitions and variants of definitions of the descriptive terms used by the various authors. This is why I personally have adopted a simplified approach to consideration of these matters regarding dignity, exaltation, etc.

One thing I do believe: I believe the signs condition and modulate the expression of planets in them, not the other way around: in other words, I believe the signs "rule" (so to speak) the planets, and that while the planets do also reciprocally influence the signs, the strength is from above (sign) downward (planet in sign) Now, this is (historically) a minority view (although it dominated early Hellenist thought, eg Manilius, and also much of Islamic transitional era astrological thought, eg, v. Ibn Arabi's "Mystical Astrology", also the Harranian astrological works of Thabit ibn Qurra, and it also is still dominant in Jaimini Vedic astrology)

The planetocentric outlook, developing early on (Firmicus Maternus, Parasara) came to dominate astrological thought (Western and mainstream Vedic), so planets became the "lords" of pretty much everything astrological, the "power centers", and this perspective really accelerated during Western Medieval, Renaissance and Reformation times, and continued to do so in the development of Modernist astrological thought and practice.

My opinions here are, of course, highly controversial and I certainly do not want to try to pawn them off as "true", or to have any one "believe in them"; just thought I'd pass them on, from one who has been involved in thinking about, and studying about, and testing about these matters, for many years...

juicey J.
01-04-2013, 03:52 PM
Yes jupiter asc a planet ruling a house in determint or fall can severely challenge (yes the ancients believed this but they also believed there were exceptions and you even pointed out one) the affairs of said house however, also having said planets sign lord dignified can help to elevate matters this is also an ancient idea yes so is the exaltation lord being strong. The domicile is the main house of sign and acts as the final dispositor in whatever chain of planets disposit into or the concept of domicile loses much of its meaning and purpose.

JUPITERASC
01-04-2013, 05:07 PM
Yes jupiter asc a planet ruling a house in determint or fall can severely challenge (yes the ancients believed this but they also believed there were exceptions and you even pointed out one) the affairs of said house however, also having said planets sign lord dignified can help to elevate matters this is also an ancient idea yes so is the exaltation lord being strong. The domicile is the main house of sign and acts as the final dispositor in whatever chain of planets disposit into or the concept of domicile loses much of its meaning and purpose.
According to medieval astrological practice planets may be in a state or condition known as 'Mutual Reception.

As time passed, centuries later, the modern idea of 'a final dispositor' emerged. Clearly though, when any of the planets in a natal chart are in Mutual Reception THEN there can be no modern 'final dispositor'

The fact there is not always a (modern) 'final dispositor' in a natal chart DOES NOT however mean that allegedly 'the concept of domicile loses much of its meaning and purpose'

Medieval practice connected to 'domiciles' works well and has done for approximately fourteen hundred years and continues to do so - despite there being no (modern) 'final dispositor' in many natal charts :smile:

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 02:59 AM
I was talking about final dispositor as a general concept of course not all charts have one that's beside the main point. so the medieval astrologers agree with me there is a planetary chain with the domicile planet as final dispositor also i was talking about final dispositor in a more general way with a domicile planet as final dispositor of a small chain of 3 or so planets , i think in order for a planet to truly be a final dispositor it must have all the other planets disposit into it via domicile lordship. Also, with more then one domicile planet there can't be a final dispositor in the truest definition of said term.

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 04:25 AM
I only know most things about hellenestic via reading bits of valens, dorotheus, and ptolemy and the rest of such along with medieval astrology is mostly second hand knowledge. While we're on the subject of lordships and receptions did ancient astrologers think it meant something or anything in particular if a planet was in domicile with none of the other planets disposting via domicile into it? For example mars in aries with none of the other planets in aries or scorpio, also would it mean anything further if no planets are in capricorn?

Olivia
01-05-2013, 06:50 AM
I've never seen ancient or medieval astrology using dispositor trees, juicey. The Greeks had a system of ranking planetary power sort of along the lines of a captain, the first mate, and so forth in terms of which planets were most useful in managing the chart, going by the metaphor of a ship. The medievalists used almutens to determine planetary strength. Of course, one of those planets might be a final dispositor in a chart, but it isn't necessarily the case.

You can read delineations from Hellenistic times. In general, it would be a favourable sign for nothing to conjunct Mars in Aries - there are a few exceptions to that, but Mars is a malefic so you don't want him close to much. Ditto a generally good thing to have nothing in Capricorn when Mars is in Aries, because the signs are square to each other. It would also make a great deal of difference if you were looking at a day chart or a night chart.

Aries and Scorpio are disjunct, so any planets in those two signs wouldn't aspect each other anyway, at least not in the traditional sense of the word, to see or to view.

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-05-2013, 07:20 AM
No, if what senshui says is true then the matters of a house/sign are greatly defeated or at least severely challenged simply by having the main or domicile lord in fall or detriment and that's just nonesense, all the dispostors of the planets involved with the ruling planet of the house have to be considered. No the idea of many dispostors/final dispositor is an ancient idea and its just the opposite of what senshui is saying, it was way more complex then the modern take on it (although ancient astrologers didn't write out long dispositor trees because they knew who they were writing for weren't childern they had to spell everything out in full detail for) with exaltation dispositors and triplicity dispositors (although only the domicile counts as final dispositor because its said sign/houses main focus point).

Hm...

"Note also what planet is located in the house or the terms of which particular planet and, if your planet is located in the house of another, look at the ruler of that house to see which houses of the chart it is in…for if the ruler of the sign is well located, that planet about which we are inquiring also shares in a part of the good fortune of the host’s joy. But if the ruler of the sign is dejected in any way, that planet about which we are inquiring, even though placed in a fortunate house, will be hindered by the dejection of that other planet which is the ruler of the sign. This also you can easily observe from human behavior. If you enter anyone’s home by invitation and the master of the house has just been blessed with an increase in good fortune, you too become a participant in his good fortune, for you share in the happiness of the good fortune of your host. But if the host is suffering from miserable poverty and is embroiled in the wretched accidents of misfortune, you make yourself also a partner in his grief and trouble, and the adversity in which you share overwhelms you to." -Firmicus Maternus

As you can see, the idea of a planet's dispositor having a direct effect on it and severely harming it if ill placed is not "nonsense", it's pretty established tradition (of course that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to bonify a planet that suffers from counteraction). You'll also note in this quote that no reference is given to a third planet, just the first planet that we're inquiring about and it's domicile lord. So, if the idea of dispositor trees is ancient like you claim, Maternus (who wrote in the 4th century) should have known about them and told us to consider them in turn. Your whole argument rests on the idea of "Well, they didn't tell us NOT to" and that's pretty nonsensical. If we're going to form astrological techniques based off of what the ancients didn't explicity tell us, then we're going to be here for a long time coming up with whatever we want.

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 08:28 AM
I never used an ancient didn't tell us not to argument ever, i used an ancient astrologers implied such argument, big difference! You in your original post to me said the ancient astrologers said look to a sign/houses lord and that's it which, says or implies if a house/sign's lord is determint, fall or pergrine (which, happens well over half the time) then the matters of a house are almost totally defeated without the slightest possible exception which, is TOTAL NONSENSE! rather or not you meant as much isn't the point in my mind and understanding being whatever that's worth, that's what you said implied and i know you don't want to imply as much because you don't think this way about said subject. Also, i already more or less admitted a houses lord being in a sign of debility can severely challenge the affairs of a house but that what i meant to say was there being no exception to such is what was nonsense, read my all my posts carefully before responding, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I have nothing personally against, respect you as a fellow human being, and want to be as peacefully as possible but you but your starting to get on my nerves.

Olivia the ancients had the concept of final dispostiors which, means they believed in long dispositor chains they just didn't feel the need to explicitly write them out.

Also, a house can have at least two dispostiors an domicile as well as an exaltation , and in turn said one or two planet's planetary lords being dignified (although if said dignified planets are afflicted by malefics or in the evil houses of the 6th, 8th, or 12th or worse a combination of such they can't do much to aid) and/or said planets being in friendly aspect to the benefics can help to counter things if they are in a sign of deblity although difficulties will still to a somewhat lesser degree arise due to the deblity.

wintersprite1
01-05-2013, 09:04 AM
Remember all,

It is okay to disagree but personal attacks will not be tolerated.

TK

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 09:19 AM
Remember all,

It is okay to disagree but personal attacks will not be tolerated.

TK

Yes but we should be free to be honest to another poster about how a poster makes us feel, so long as we don't use cuss words, slander, threats, or name calling and i never used any of such in my post even before you edited it, all you did was tone it down a bit. Okay maybe i went a bit overboard but that was an honest expression of how i felt.

wintersprite1
01-05-2013, 09:31 AM
Just don't make it personal. Debates can get heated and that is expected, but it does no one good to point fingers, yell, or personally goad. It only causes everyone to dig into their own opinions deeper and more firmly... and its not allowed by forum rules.

I can see the dilemma here on this thread. Most of the Traditional Forum uses direct links to verify information. You mention we have to extrapolate out sometime what is not said, and this is true.... but unless there is a direct link, it is still conjecture and can not be seen as an absolute truth. At this point, if the same back and forth keeps up with the same arguments, I will probably close the thread as there is no impasse and all that needs to be said has been. At some point we have to agree to disagree, because no minds are going to be changed.

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 09:35 AM
Just don't make it personal. Debates can get heated and that is expected, but it does no one good to point fingers, yell, or personally goad. It only causes everyone to dig into their own opinions deeper and more firmly... and its not allowed by forum rules.

I can see the dilemma here on this thread. Most of the Traditional Forum uses direct links to verify information. You mention we have to extrapolate out sometime what is not said, and this is true.... but unless there is a direct link, it is still conjecture and can not be seen as an absolute truth. At this point, if the same back and forth keeps up with the same arguments, I will probably close the thread as there is no impasse and all that needs to be said has been. At some point we have to agree to disagree, because no minds are going to be changed.


Problem is i took senshi's last post towards me personally and i found its tone to be judgmental and accusing and it hurt my feelings rather or not it was meant this way isn't the point, the point is this is how it made me feel, let me make it clear im not trying to out him or accuse him. And i feel like almost everyone including you is picking on me although i do agree my post went a bit overboard before you edited it.

JUPITERASC
01-05-2013, 10:15 AM
Saturn in Aries, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Libra. Two of the planets are debilitated. However, if you switch them between the signs trying to give them the same dignity or debility (there is mutual reception by debility, although it is not commonly mentioned, from what I understand)
Of the three planets chosen by the OP, Mars in Libra is debilitated by being in detriment, while Saturn is debilitated by being in Fall in Aries and
Venus in Capricorn has only dignity by Triplicity and Face but would otherwise be Peregrine in a day chart if located beyond the first 6º of Capricorn

Mutual Reception - whether the planets concerned are in exaltation, domicile or detriment - remains Mutual Reception: meaning two planets in mutual reception are friendly towards each other.

HOWEVER

Focusing on two of the three particular examples chosen by the OP then:

Saturn in Aries is Peregrine unless located in the last 10º of Aries

Mars in Libra is also Peregrine unless located in the last 10º of Libra
And if or when both planets are in a Peregrine degree, then Mutual reception between those two planets is unlikely to be of much assistance to either :smile:

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 10:29 AM
Just don't make it personal. Debates can get heated and that is expected, but it does no one good to point fingers, yell, or personally goad. It only causes everyone to dig into their own opinions deeper and more firmly... and its not allowed by forum rules.

I can see the dilemma here on this thread. Most of the Traditional Forum uses direct links to verify information. You mention we have to extrapolate out sometime what is not said, and this is true.... but unless there is a direct link, it is still conjecture and can not be seen as an absolute truth. At this point, if the same back and forth keeps up with the same arguments, I will probably close the thread as there is no impasse and all that needs to be said has been. At some point we have to agree to disagree, because no minds are going to be changed.


What do you mean your going to probably close the thread, just because things got a little heated (granted you can close a thread without cause or warning as you have said right but that's hardly the point) after in the same breath saying your open to debate here....... Doesn't senshi have the right to at least respond to what i last said?

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 10:33 AM
Let me say this plainly Yes a plantary lord in debility can (key word) severely challenge the affairs of a house but all the planetary lords involved as well the planetary aspects to said planet must be looked at before making final judgement. I thought i made this clear from the get go when i brought this up but apparently some took what i said the wrong way, oh well......

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 10:42 AM
Jupiterasc, according to many authorities mutual reception by domicile or exaltation cancels out peregrine.

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 10:48 AM
Also,to let everyone who reads said thread know, a mixed reception which, is planet A being in planet b's sign of domicile and planet b being being in planet A's sign of exaltation isn't a mutual reception.

JUPITERASC
01-05-2013, 10:49 AM
...Two planets in opposition will not be in reception because they already have the same dignity and take the path of least resistance (astrology is all about paths of least resistance) and not receive anything. Of course, to be logical there will be some sort of reception, but it is not quite as strong
As an example, although Gemini opposes Sagittarius, nevertheless if located at the relevant degrees, then Mercury and Jupiter could be in mutual reception by term and face therefore it is possible for planets in opposition to receive each other.
...There is no mutual opposition. Or is this a legit idea at all? It might not be...
On the contrary opposition is by definition mutual i.e. the two planets are opposing each other :smile:

Kaiousei no Senshi
01-05-2013, 10:58 AM
And if or when both planets are in a Peregrine degree, then Mutual reception between those two planets is unlikely to be of much assistance to either

The hang-ups over this idea is mostly going to come down to what individuals believe occurs during mutual reception. A popular (albeit modern) idea is that planets in mutual reception "exchange signs". Of course this would imply that a planet can be freed from its debility through a mutual reception, but that isn't quite what's going on. I also feel like many people consider mutual receptions as a sort of "general feel" for planets at any given time. This also isn't how they're supposed to be used. Only within the context of their relationship does mutual reception bring about anything satisfactory.

For example, the current Mars/Saturn Square. Typically, this is considered a very difficult aspect and if your horary or nativity has this configuration, it's going to be difficult for them to bring the matter to perfection. However, with the mutual reception, it makes it easier for those two planets to overcome the Square and achieve perfection of the matter. Of course, it's still two malefics and they're still Square, but hey! It's better than nothing!!

Also,to let everyone who reads said thread know, a mixed reception which, is planet A being in planet b's sign of domicile and planet b being being in planet A's sign of exaltation isn't a mutual reception.

No, even that is mutual reception. Planet A and planet B are still receiving each other simultaneously (which is the definition of mutual reception), they just feel differently towards one another.

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 11:02 AM
No, mixed reception is a two way reception not a mutual one you even said they don't feel the same way towards each other so in other words it isn't mutual.

JUPITERASC
01-05-2013, 11:03 AM
Also,to let everyone who reads said thread know, a mixed reception which, is planet A being in planet b's sign of domicile and planet b being being in planet A's sign of exaltation isn't a mutual reception.
QUOTE:

“.....Mutual reception does not have to be by the same level of dignity. If one planet receives another by sign, and the second receives the first by exaltation, that too is mutual reception :smile:


Mutual reception only indicates that both planets are receiving each other at the same time, and we can see from the dignities involved the extent to which they are capable of offering benefit through reception.

To be received by sign or exaltation is much better than being received by term or face...” source: Deborah Houlding


FURTHERMORE

“....Where friendly aspects exist between the planets, mutual reception heightens the benefits that arise from active co-operation; it reveals a situation where there is an easy trade of status and the potential for each planet to acquire something positive from the other. Where unfriendly aspects are involved, being received helps to protect a planet against the damaging effect of the aspect so that it can still draw benefit from the aspect”.... source: Deborah Houlding

juicey J.
01-05-2013, 11:07 AM
Well we agree a mixed reception is a two way reception rather or not we are willing to call it mutual is a matter of semantics. Im sure we agree a mixed reception isn't as mutual as one with the same dignity level.

JUPITERASC
01-05-2013, 11:18 AM
The hang-ups over this idea is mostly going to come down to what individuals believe occurs during mutual reception. A popular (albeit modern) idea is that planets in mutual reception "exchange signs". Of course this would imply that a planet can be freed from its debility through a mutual reception, but that isn't quite what's going on
Just my opinion, "Exchanging Signs" is a concept that muddies the waters :smile:
I also feel like many people consider mutual receptions as a sort of "general feel" for planets at any given time. This also isn't how they're supposed to be used. Only within the context of their relationship does mutual reception bring about anything satisfactory.

For example, the current Mars/Saturn Square. Typically, this is considered a very difficult aspect and if your horary or nativity has this configuration, it's going to be difficult for them to bring the matter to perfection. However, with the mutual reception, it makes it easier for those two planets to overcome the Square and achieve perfection of the matter. Of course, it's still two malefics and they're still Square, but hey! It's better than nothing!!

No, even that is mutual reception. Planet A and planet B are still receiving each other simultaneously (which is the definition of mutual reception), they just feel differently towards one another.
Exactly

mihalerm
01-23-2014, 01:57 PM
Hi @ll
I am new to this thread and also new to Traditional astrology.
I found this thread fascinating and therefore will put my question forward.

R. Zoller in his Foundation Course, lesson 3, page 6/7, states

" The Sun is in detriment, but, while opposed to Saturn, it
is in mutual reception with Saturn. That is, they are in each
other's Signs. This was held by some Medieval Authorities to
be a great good thing. It was held to be similar to having the
two planets in dignity, working together. So, employing this
opinion, we can expect the Sun to be brilliant and powerful
and Saturn to be reserved, knowledgeable and indicating a
taste for ancient, arcane studies."
Note: Sun at 5deg Aqua and Saturn at 5deg Leo.

I have the same kind of configuration in my chart i.e. Sun at 2deg Libra in 1st House (Conj Asc at 29deg Virgo) and 2nd sign, in opposition to Saturn at 2deg Aries in 7th House and 8th Sign. Both Planets are in fall and in Mutual Reception by exaltation. Also both planet are squared by Mars at 26deg Sag in 4th House (and Sign).

Not considering Zoller´s statement (above) this configuration would lead by quadrant, to a terrible partner and problems and limitations in marriage. By Whole Houses it would indicate that I would have problems with debts.

As a matter of fact I had a quite normal wife and a reasonable, lasting marriage.
As to debts, I never had any problems. Was (and am till now, at least) always solvent, in other words, I have (and always had) an upper middle class stable financial situation. Note, I am over 70 years old, retired and no debts at all (not even mortgage - bought my apartment in cash)!!!

In my understanding, my life and chart ratify the above Zoller's statement.
Am I wrong?

JUPITERASC
01-23-2014, 04:31 PM
Hi @ll
I am new to this thread and also new to Traditional astrology.
I found this thread fascinating and therefore will put my question forward.

R. Zoller in his Foundation Course, lesson 3, page 6/7, states

" The Sun is in detriment, but, while opposed to Saturn, it
is in mutual reception with Saturn. That is, they are in each
other's Signs. This was held by some Medieval Authorities to
be a great good thing. It was held to be similar to having the
two planets in dignity, working together. So, employing this
opinion, we can expect the Sun to be brilliant and powerful
and Saturn to be reserved, knowledgeable and indicating a
taste for ancient, arcane studies."
Note: Sun at 5deg Aqua and Saturn at 5deg Leo.

I have the same kind of configuration in my chart i.e. Sun at 2deg Libra in 1st House (Conj Asc at 29deg Virgo) and 2nd sign, in opposition to Saturn at 2deg Aries in 7th House and 8th Sign. Both Planets are in fall and in Mutual Reception by exaltation. Also both planet are squared by Mars at 26deg Sag in 4th House (and Sign).

Not considering Zoller´s statement (above) this configuration would lead by quadrant, to a terrible partner and problems and limitations in marriage. By Whole Houses it would indicate that I would have problems with debts.

As a matter of fact I had a quite normal wife and a reasonable, lasting marriage.
As to debts, I never had any problems. Was (and am till now, at least) always solvent, in other words, I have (and always had) an upper middle class stable financial situation. Note, I am over 70 years old, retired and no debts at all (not even mortgage - bought my apartment in cash)!!!

In my understanding, my life and chart ratify the above Zoller's statement.
Am I wrong?
Another consideration is that
the signs of mutual reception between Sun and Saturn vary

i.e.
Sun Aquarius in mutual reception with Saturn in Leo
is very different from
Sun in Libra in mutual reception with Saturn in Aries
because
Sun and Saturn are either
in each others domiciles
or
in each others exaltation

Zoller is world renowned in the world of medieval astrology
and clearly speaks with authority

what is interesting is
Libra is Venus domicile
and Aries is Mars domicile

so the additional factors to study in the particular natal chart
are the house and sign locations of Venus and Mars respectively
as well as any aspects to/from Venus and Mars
made by natal planets
and of course the Ascendant sign/angles generally :smile:

poyi
01-23-2014, 04:51 PM
Mutual reception is very useful concept to know and it often identifies major issues in life that is highly beneficial or highly malefic and it does have variable behaviour when it comes to other combination with eclipse, transits, and progression overall mutual reception in my own understanding can Exacerbate/Escalate the condition of the two planets representing in your chart. But you must read the whole chart to conclude their manifestation and they are not always good or always bad they just happened to work together.

mihalerm
01-23-2014, 07:10 PM
>> JUPITERASC and poyi
Thanks for your comments. Will keep them in mind.

JUPITERASC
01-23-2014, 07:36 PM
Mutual reception is very useful concept to know and it often identifies major issues in life that is highly beneficial or highly malefic and it does have variable behaviour when it comes to other combination with eclipse, transits, and progression overall mutual reception in my own understanding can Exacerbate/Escalate the condition of the two planets representing in your chart. But you must read the whole chart to conclude their manifestation and they are not always good or always bad they just happened to work together.
QUOTE


'….Reception obtains when a planet is in aspect by degree with its domicile or exalted lord....


Generally speaking, received benefics produce a stronger good, while received malefics impede less.


Reception takes away the evil from a situation.


So that a planet's signification will not suffer, even if it is in a bad place.


A received planet – or rather the person signified by it – will be able to bear its own problems more easily....' Benjamin Dykes Introduction to the works of Sahl and Masha'Allah :smile:

JUPITERASC
01-23-2014, 07:56 PM
QUOTE



'…. reception is essentially about having a surrogate home –
a form of support independent of on one's own ownership and responsibilities :smile:


Unlike being in one's own domicile,
where one can rely on oneself,

received planets have others helping and esteeming them,

it is as though the received planet is vouched for.


This notion of a surrogate home explains

why received planets have joy and security,

can perfect reliably ( because they have support )

show a connection to home and returning home,

have honor instead of disgrace,

have allies,

involve truthful intentions ( as though they are trusted )

have peaceful relations with their receivers....'

source: Introduction to WORKS OF SAHL AND MASHA'ALLAH translated by Benjamin Dykes

poyi
01-24-2014, 05:07 AM
QUOTE


'….Reception obtains when a planet is in aspect by degree with its domicile or exalted lord....


Generally speaking, received benefics produce a stronger good, while received malefics impede less.


Reception takes away the evil from a situation.


So that a planet's signification will not suffer, even if it is in a bad place.


A received planet – or rather the person signified by it – will be able to bear its own problems more easily....' Benjamin Dykes Introduction to the works of Sahl and Masha'Allah :smile:


JA I am thinking more along the line. Even two appearing to be mutual benefit by their dignity and giving away the sign with dignity to each other. There are other aspect as such another planet also in contact with these two can modify the actual expression.

For example, using a make up example may not actually occur, if Mars in Virgo, Mercury in Scorpio these two were also in contact with Venus in Pisces then Mars will gain benefit from Venus as his triplicity but Venus will be aspecting Scorpio as her detriment, then Mercury also aspecting his fall. Then the loop will be a mix of good and bad together they exacerbate/escalate the situation most likely to both directions?

Or in natal Mars in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio, but simply, transiting Venus conjunct natal Mars in Virgo will also in sextile with Mercury in Scorpio that is her detriment also, that can also modify the actual original benefit of the natal through transiting planet.

tsmall
01-24-2014, 05:46 AM
I have the same kind of configuration in my chart i.e. Sun at 2deg Libra in 1st House (Conj Asc at 29deg Virgo) and 2nd sign, in opposition to Saturn at 2deg Aries in 7th House and 8th Sign. Both Planets are in fall and in Mutual Reception by exaltation. Also both planet are squared by Mars at 26deg Sag in 4th House (and Sign).

Um. Ok, let's break this down. poyi, are you following? We don't even need the entire chart to do this, though it would be helpful. Because my real question is where is Jupiter.

Saturn opposed the Sun is always going to be retrograde. Always. It isn't even a matter of mutual reception, though in this case and as mihalerm suggests...Saturn is rendered inpperable. Why? What is the nature of Saturn? To reject and exclude. What is Saturn? The greater malefic, a cold, dry planet. How strong are the superior planets at their opposition from the Sun? (because Mercury and Venus can never, ever oppose the Sun?) Not strong. the opposition is their weakest point.

Saturn is the dark, the end, the gateway to nothingness. He is an anathema to the lights, which is why in the Thema Mundi he is assigned rulership over the signs he does have...and a retrograde Saturn opposed the Sun, in his fall is cowering in the corner pissing his pants in fear. Because he isn't only in the house of the Sun (which would be Leo, and how often do your relatives/familiars exalt you anyway) he is in the exaltation of the Sun. Where the Sun is God and Saturn will be hunted down and lynched before he is burned at the stake.

The early degrees of Aries belong to Jupiter for terms, and Saturn has zero dignity there. While Libra falls in the solar half of the Zodiac, and so though is Sun's fall from exaltation, Sun will always occupy the stronger position in this particular configuration. Which planet trumps whom? Sun or Saturn? Because the other thing to consider is sect. Sun below the horizon means this is a day chart, Saturn is a diurnal planet and so wants to be in the same half as the Sun, and at the opposition can't be. Ahem.

milharlem? Where is the Moon?


Not considering Zoller´s statement (above) this configuration would lead by quadrant, to a terrible partner and problems and limitations in marriage. By Whole Houses it would indicate that I would have problems with debts.

Only if you choose to look at dignity and disregard the rest of the body of traditional astrology. Sect, bound rulers, degree influences...all will play a role. Let's just think for a minute. Saturn is a cold, dry planet. Aries is a hot sign. This will have the effect of mitigating Saturn's coldness so that his maleficence is tamed and actually allow the benefits of Saturn to manefest.

As a matter of fact I had a quite normal wife and a reasonable, lasting marriage.
As to debts, I never had any problems. Was (and am till now, at least) always solvent, in other words, I have (and always had) an upper middle class stable financial situation. Note, I am over 70 years old, retired and no debts at all (not even mortgage - bought my apartment in cash)!!!

Good for you. You just figured out how to reap the benefits of a malefic completely hamstrung in your chart.

What's up with the 5th and 6th houses in your chart? Do you suffer from migraines?

In my understanding, my life and chart ratify the above Zoller's statement.
Am I wrong?

Nope. Just that...comparing only your chart will allow you to personally experience what your chart promises. If you really want to prove your theory, then it must needs many, many more charts to study...and to study the whole of.

mihalerm
01-24-2014, 01:12 PM
tsmall thank you VERY MUCH for your enlightening considerations.
In order to answer your questions, as you suggested, it is better to post my chart.
As to migraines, I don't even know exactly what that is .
As to your statement "Sun below the horizon means this is a day chart", it seems to me you that there was some typing mistake.

JUPITERASC
01-24-2014, 02:52 PM
JA I am thinking more along the line. Even two appearing to be mutual benefit by their dignity and giving away the sign with dignity to each other....
Nevertheless, traditionally speaking, the following advice from Benjamin Dykes Translation of THE WORKS OF SAHL AND MASHA'ALLAH is important to remember

QUOTE

'.....we can understand this somewhat better if we think of medieval feudal relations.

In the medieval period,
attachment to a Lord
or other institutional authority
- with its own moral and legal standards of conduct -
was an important way of establishing oneself as stable, loyal, and dependable....'

QUOTE

'... the modern idea of the unattached individual
existing by himself
would have struck traditional people as strange
and suspicious.
If we imagine the difference
between a warrior who is unattached to any fixed purpose
- and thereby is unpredictable and dangerous -
and one who has become domesticated and disciplined through service to a Lord,
I think we can see analogically
why a received planet would impede matters less than an unreceived one'
There are other aspect as such another planet also in contact with these two can modify the actual expression.

For example, using a make up example may not actually occur, if Mars in Virgo, Mercury in Scorpio these two were also in contact with Venus in Pisces then Mars will gain benefit from Venus as his triplicity but Venus will be aspecting Scorpio as her detriment, then Mercury also aspecting his fall. Then the loop will be a mix of good and bad together they exacerbate/escalate the situation most likely to both directions?

Or in natal Mars in Virgo and Mercury in Scorpio, but simply, transiting Venus conjunct natal Mars in Virgo will also in sextile with Mercury in Scorpio that is her detriment also, that can also modify the actual original benefit of the natal through transiting planet.
Keep in mind the natal promise :smile:

Natal promise supercedes one transit

and

transits alone pass with no effects

UNLESS

using the example you have chosen
Venus is for example the Lord of the Yearly Profection

or

Venus is Ruler of the ascendant of the Solar Return

Traditional astrology considers much more than solely transits
on their own

poyi
01-24-2014, 04:00 PM
I see. So using myself as an example. I know that Venus transit Mars in Virgo will not always bring any significant change unless the natal is up to that manifestation. So for the Profection year under Venus rulership which is my natal 2nd house but the 1st house of the year then this Venus transit conjunction to Mars in Virgo will be significant. So if I got it right my 2nd, 14th, 26th, 38th etc years of age when Venus happened also to transit Virgo then it would affect my matter related to my 2nd house then?

Since the natal is Mars in Virgo trine Moon in Capricorn then both sextile Mercuy in Scorpio. When Venus transit to conjunct Mars in Virgo that is her fall but will then be benefited by moon in Capricorn but then detrimental because of Scorpio Mercury. I was 26 in 2009 can't really recall any major financial issue. But I think during 2010 before the next Profection year I was in really poor health. I finally got diagnosed with WPW syndrome with my heart so that is relevant to the Profection year as the year ascendant in natal 2nd.

JUPITERASC
01-24-2014, 04:38 PM
I see. So using myself as an example. I know that Venus transit Mars in Virgo will not always bring any significant change unless the natal is up to that manifestation. So for the Profection year under Venus rulership which is my natal 2nd house but the 1st house of the year then this Venus transit conjunction to Mars in Virgo will be significant. So if I got it right my 2nd, 14th, 26th, 38th etc years of age when Venus happened also to transit Virgo then it would affect my matter related to my 2nd house then?

Since the natal is Mars in Virgo trine Moon in Capricorn then both sextile Mercuy in Scorpio. When Venus transit to conjunct Mars in Virgo that is her fall but will then be benefited by moon in Capricorn but then detrimental because of Scorpio Mercury. I was 26 in 2009 can't really recall any major financial issue. But I think during 2010 before the next Profection year I was in really poor health. I finally got diagnosed with WPW syndrome with my heart so that is relevant to the Profection year as the year ascendant in natal 2nd.
Check with profection wheel attached to this post
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tsmall
01-24-2014, 05:01 PM
tsmall thank you VERY MUCH for your enlightening considerations.
In order to answer your questions, as you suggested, it is better to post my chart.
As to migraines, I don't even know exactly what that is .
As to your statement "Sun below the horizon means this is a day chart", it seems to me you that there was some typing mistake.


Yes. :sideways: It was a misstatement. My only excuse is that it was very, very late (or early, depending on how you look at it) when I wrote this.

Migraines are severe headaches and can be one indication of Saturn in Aries. No matter.

I do have a question though. Have you rectified your ASC/birth time? That you have Sun so close to rising, and based on your account of how this aspect has worked out for you (and at 70 you ought to know) it seems to me that it really should be a day chart.

BTW, your Sun conjuncts mine to the degree.

Here's what I'm thinking...your ASC needs to be in early Libra putting Sun above the horizon. I can't tell, is Venus in Leo or Virgo? Either way I think Venus goes into the 11th...

mihalerm
01-24-2014, 06:40 PM
No, I have not rectified my chart because I am not certain about how to do it.
I used the birth certificate time.
As to Venus in the attached chart it is in 0.01 degrees Virgo
Why do you think that my Sun should be above the Horizon and Venus in 11th house?

tsmall
01-24-2014, 08:20 PM
Sect.

Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, as well as Mercury in your chart, are all of the diurnal sect.

Jupiter in your 4th is really strong, not just for being inthe 4th house but also because he stationed direct shortly before you were born, second station. Yet he is in feminine sign and degree. It would make more sense, to me at least if he were of the sect of the chart.

poyi
01-24-2014, 09:18 PM
Check with profection wheel attached to this post
that you have correct Yearly Profection
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Thanks for the wheel. Just a short reply.

So 26th years was the natal 3rd house. It is still relevant since the natal mutual connection between Mars, Mercury and Moon 3rd house also contains my natal ascendant ruler so it would have still manifest the natal physical health problem. The Solar return for 2009 of my 26th years of age, was Solar return AC 13 degrees 30 in Aquarius right at the cusp of natal 6th house cusp of 13 degrees 21 Placidus and the whole sign 6th sign of the natal house with Jupiter 18 degrees 26 in Aquarius. That year, I first learned about my personal mortality with clear medical diagnosis at last after many years of symptoms. Natal Mars and Mercury mutual reception rulers of 1st, 3rd, 8th, 10th.

At 38th years if still living in current location, I will again have Jupiter in Aquarius transiting my natal 6th house. With Solar return 6th in my natal 10th Placidus cusp conjunct natal North node. Solar return 8th in my natal 12th. With solar return Mercury and Mars both in partile conjunction less than 2 degrees conjunction to the natal Saturn the ruler of natal 6th house. Solar return Mercury and Mars partile conjunction ruled over Sun, SR 6th, NN & 11th so not too bad being placed in 11th.

To tell you the true, I actually often thought of my own mutual reception of Mars, Mercury, Moon to be the actual link of this congenital condition as Accessory Electrical Conduction Pathway of the heart. Mars is the ruler of the 3rd Scorpio Sun 12th house lord, Scorpio Mercury ascendant lord & 8th house also the ruler of the Saturn in Scorpio 6th house lord, my Part of Illness is in Leo in 12th house. Mars is overly strengthen/excited, simply too much and therefore I link this to the Accessory electrical (Mercury) muscular (Mars) conduction (Mars, Mercury) pathway of the heart (Sun). The trigger of the symptoms is often related to Emotion and lack of Sleep both Moon.

JUPITERASC
01-24-2014, 09:40 PM
No, I have not rectified my chart because I am not certain about how to do it.
I used the birth certificate time....

We frequently discuss official birth times and their reliability/unreliability :smile:

Fact is, the medical team attending delivery of a newborn
are in general not seated at their computer desks
ready to input the precise time of birth and calculate a natal chart
Accuracy of time of birth is secondary to the health, safety and general welbeing of both mother and newborn
Keep in mind that following delivery, the mother requires immediate medical attention
as does the newborn who requires their airways checked
their vital signs checked
then is usually weighed, washed, clothed
all occurring before the time of birth is noted

Clocks are frequently fast or slow, for any number of reasons
medical notes are made by humans who are subject to human error
and so on ad infinitum :smile:

Therefore the official time of birth is basically a guideline
utilised as a base for astrological rectification procedures
such as the ancient technique known as The Trutine of Hermes
also known as the PreNatal Epoch... free instructions for the calculation of which are available at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm

Since the ascendant sign changes every four minutes
it is possible that as tsmall noticed
IF your time of birth is in error by only a few minutes
THEN
your ascendant may well be early Libra

mihalerm
01-24-2014, 11:53 PM
>tsmall
I see your point BUT for me the Virgo Asc makes more sense than a Libra Asc since:
Mercury in House 1 (by Whole Houses) confirms my active academic and scientific life - I was Professor at a renowned University in Brazil for over 17 years besides having a successful carrier in the Nuclear Engineering field both in Brazil and abroad (Moon in House 9 *quadrant* and House 10 *Whole Houses* )

If the Asc would fall in Libra, Mercury would definitely be in the hidden and weak 12th house and probably not ruling my 10th house anymore - therefore contrary to the reality.
Also, if Venus would fall in House 11, would make even less sens for me than having Venus in House 12 - hidden and secret affairs...ups, enough for this subject.

mihalerm
01-25-2014, 12:10 AM
> JUPITERASC

Thanks for your detailed explanation on a birth process and proceedings.

My consideration is the following. Since the op-room personnel is mainly interested in the newborn and do not care much about birth time details, then quite probably (if not certainly) they would register the birth time LATER, some time AFTER the birth and not before the birth!
Therefore my birth time is probably before 5:30 hours (as in the birth certificate) and not after this time.
This leads consequently into a smaller (smaller than 29 degrees) Virgo Asc and not into a Libra Asc!!!

tsmall
01-25-2014, 12:20 AM
> JUPITERASC

Thanks for your detailed explanation on a birth process and proceedings.

My consideration is the following. Since the op-room personnel is mainly interested in the newborn and do not care much about birth time details, then quite probably (if not certainly) they would register the birth time LATER, some time AFTER the birth and not before the birth!
Therefore my birth time is probably before 5:30 hours (as in the birth certificate) and not after this time.
This leads consequently into a smaller (smaller than 29 degrees) Virgo Asc and not into a Libra Asc!!!

Birth times that are on the exact hour, half hour or quarter hour are likely rounded. The rounding can go in either direction if the person recording the time is later trying to remember it. "Hmm, I think it was after 5 but before 6 am..." Especially so in the year you were born. If you prefer a Virgo ASC I'm certainly not going to argue the point. :smile:

You seem vehemently opposed to a Libra ASC. This made me laugh because your chart so closely resembles mine. Sun in 3rd degree Libra, Mars in 3rd house but 4th sign, Venus in Virgo, Mercury in 1st. Only I have a Libra ASC. ;)

At any rate, a really good book that is comprehensive especially as regards the mechanics of planetary position and phase is Benjamin Dyke's Introductions to Traditional Astrology.

JUPITERASC
01-25-2014, 12:23 AM
>tsmall
I see your point BUT for me the Virgo Asc makes more sense than a Libra Asc since:
Mercury in House 1 (by Whole Houses) confirms my active academic and scientific life - I was Professor at a renowned University in Brazil for over 17 years besides having a successful carrier in the Nuclear Engineering field both in Brazil and abroad (Moon in House 9 *quadrant* and House 10 *Whole Houses* )

If the Asc would fall in Libra, Mercury would definitely be in the hidden and weak 12th house and probably not ruling my 10th house anymore - therefore contrary to the reality.
Also, if Venus would fall in House 11, would make even less sens for me than having Venus in House 12 - hidden and secret affairs...ups, enough for this subject.
Cookbook/one size fits all astrology declares that 'Venus in House 12 must mean hidden and secret affairs' :smile:

HOWEVER

since there are many with Venus in House 12 who have never had a hidden and secret affair

there clearly is another explanation for the hidden and secret affairs

Traditionally, Venus in House 12 does not automatically mean hidden and secret affairs

Main Rulerships of 12th House Traditionally are:

QUOTE

'....The 12th house represents matters that are hidden, restrained, secret, incapable of action or of being fully understood.

Traditionally, however, it is a wholly unfortunate house, associated with sad events,
sorrow, anguish of mind, tribulation, captivity, imprisonment,
persecution, hard labour, all manner of affliction and self-undoing.

It represents places that are denied access to public view,
particularly those concerned with seclusion or isolation,
or where one is restricted from living a carefree life-style, such as institutions or prisons.
Many sources attribute monasteries to the 12th house as places of isolation,
but otherwise monks and nuns belong to the 9th house which represents religious concerns......'


'.....12th has rulership over scandals generally, personal fears and skeletons in the family closet.

Lilly notes: "the significator in the 12th house can show someone in despair" ([CA] (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/8a.html#CA), p.42).

Its significations include secret, unknown enemies,
such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours or inform secretly against them: traitors,
spies; witchcraft, malicious hauntings;
weakness, infirmity and bondage.

It also rules great cattle, such as horses, oxen, elephants, of which Ezra notes "Those which serve as a mount for men".....'

JUPITERASC
01-25-2014, 12:28 AM
> JUPITERASC

Thanks for your detailed explanation on a birth process and proceedings.

My consideration is the following. Since the op-room personnel is mainly interested in the newborn and do not care much about birth time details, then quite probably (if not certainly) they would register the birth time LATER, some time AFTER the birth and not before the birth!
Therefore my birth time is probably before 5:30 hours (as in the birth certificate) and not after this time.
This leads consequently into a smaller (smaller than 29 degrees) Virgo Asc and not into a Libra Asc!!!
Happy to be of assistance.... the assumption appears to be
that seventy years ago all clocks and timepieces in delivery rooms were accurate
and synchronized

Incidentally, seventy years ago
there were many home births as well

For home births
Times are even more likely estimated AFTER the event
LONG AFTER the event :smile:

mihalerm
01-25-2014, 01:27 AM
Introductions to Traditional Astrology.[/I]

I am not "vehemently opposed to a Libra ASC" but just do not see how to delineate Mercury in 12th house and Venus in 11th if ASC is in some inicial degree of Libra when I consider the facts in my life. If you would give some clues I would be most grateful.
As to the book of B.Dykes I have read it already and found it very interesting and instructive.

tsmall
01-25-2014, 01:51 AM
I am not "vehemently opposed to a Libra ASC" but just do not see how to delineate Mercury in 12th house and Venus in 11th if ASC is in some inicial degree of Libra when I consider the facts in my life. If you would give some clues I would be most grateful.
As to the book of B.Dykes I have read it already and found it very interesting and instructive.

I had to read it several times before it started to gel.

Mercury in your chart as you have it rules the MC but the MC is in the 9th sign. Moving the ASC into Libra keeps Mercury in the 12th. He is still exalted, still ruler of your 9th, and I'm sure you are aware that Mercury stations direct in your chart. Having a Cancer MC makes Moon ruler, and then you have ruler of the 10th in the 9th, with 9th ruler exalted and in domicile. Didn't you say you were a professor?

Venus in 11th would be one explanation for why you have always enjoyed an upper middle class life, and would make Venus your ASC ruler. Especially since if the chart is a day chart Venus would be in her own triplicity.

Jupiter is in the 4th house but 5th sign in your chart as posted, but could make more sense regarding home if he is of the sect of the chart and in the 4th sign, placing him in a stake by sign.

The changes would be subtle, for sure, since it is the angles that would move and not the disposition of the planets. It might be a fun exercise for you to try it and see what happens.

JUPITERASC
01-25-2014, 02:26 AM
I had to read it several times before it started to gel.

Mercury in your chart as you have it rules the MC but the MC is in the 9th sign. Moving the ASC into Libra keeps Mercury in the 12th.
He is still exalted, still ruler of your 9th, and I'm sure you are aware that Mercury stations direct in your chart.

Having a Cancer MC makes Moon ruler,
and then you have ruler of the 10th in the 9th, with 9th ruler exalted and in domicile. Didn't you say you were a professor?
Incidentally,
Jupiter
in a stake by sign
i.e. 4th house

is also Exalted ruler of 10th house
i.e. Jupiter is exalted in Cancer

Interesting that Jupiter is domicile ruler of 3rd house
in which Mars is located in Sagittarius
Professors communicate considerably
3rd house is associated with communication


such as

'....
Letters, rumours, reports, messages and messengers. Communications generally.
Newspapers, magazines, telephones, postal service.
Written deeds and contracts.
Speeches and debates.
Our ability to express ourselves and communicate to others. Languages, mobility skills and self-expression.....'

and

Jupiter is located in the sign of Mars Exaltation
while Mars is located in Jupiter's Domicile

So
Mars and Jupiter,
although disjunct
are in mutual mixed reception by Domicile and Exaltation
....Venus in 11th would be one explanation for why you have always enjoyed an upper middle class life, and would make Venus your ASC ruler. Especially since if the chart is a day chart Venus would be in her own triplicity.

Jupiter is in the 4th house but 5th sign in your chart as posted, but could make more sense regarding home if he is of the sect of the chart and in the 4th sign, placing him in a stake by sign.

The changes would be subtle, for sure, since it is the angles that would move and not the disposition of the planets. It might be a fun exercise for you to try it and see what happens.

mihalerm
01-25-2014, 04:12 PM
Thanks tsmall for your considerations.
I rectified the chart putting the Sun as close as possible to the Asc.
This shifted the birth time 15 minutes ahead.
Looking at the chart and also taking into account the observations from JUPITERASC (by the way thanks JUPITERASC) the rectified chart looks to make more sense than the one with Virgo Asc.
One thing that I did not grasp was you saying "Jupiter......could make more sense regarding home if he is of the sect of the chart and in the 4th sign, placing him in a stake by sign." Could you please "translate" this sentence?

tsmall
01-25-2014, 10:08 PM
Thanks tsmall for your considerations.
I rectified the chart putting the Sun as close as possible to the Asc.
This shifted the birth time 15 minutes ahead.
Looking at the chart and also taking into account the observations from JUPITERASC (by the way thanks JUPITERASC) the rectified chart looks to make more sense than the one with Virgo Asc.
One thing that I did not grasp was you saying "Jupiter......could make more sense regarding home if he is of the sect of the chart and in the 4th sign, placing him in a stake by sign." Could you please "translate" this sentence?

Just going by the very small amount of detail you have provided here

I have (and always had) an upper middle class stable financial situation. Note, I am over 70 years old, retired and no debts at all (not even mortgage - bought my apartment in cash)!!!

It's an assumption on my part, but always having had an upper middle class stable situation seems to include childhood? The nature of Jupiter is to stabalize and confirm.

From what I have read of the Persians and earlier Hellenistic astrologers, the most important part of assigning which planet rules what house is by sign (whole sign) from the ASC. In other words, we count signs to find the house rulers, then we look at the quadrant-based systems (like Alcabitus, Porphyry, Placidus, etc.) to determine angularity and to add to the topical thematic interpretation.

With that in mind, in the chart you originally posted (I also use Alcabitus) Jupiter falls in the 4th house, but the 5th sign. We would expect to see his significations pertain more to 5th house matters, and we would expect to see Mars as more operative regarding home life.

Jupiter (a hot and moist planet) is at 17* Capricorn (a cold and dry sign,) which means he is in feminine sign and degree, so out of sect there. He does occupy a masculine quadrant, but if a night chart he remains opposite to the sect of the chart. Planets that are out of sect will often act contrary to their nature. He is peregrine, though in generosity with his exaltation ruler. I would expect this Jupiter, if in a night chart, to act contrary to his nature. Be less confirming and stabalizing. Does that make sense?

When we discuss the "stakes" or the "corners" of the chart, we are counting signs from the ASC only. This is normally seen explained in context of the MC (as the MC can fall in the 9th, 10th or 11th signs and those carry different delineative meanings) but as a result includes the IC by default.

tsmall
01-25-2014, 10:54 PM
[FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy][B]Incidentally,
Jupiter
in a stake by sign
i.e. 4th house

is also Exalted ruler of 10th house
i.e. Jupiter is exalted in Cancer

Interesting that Jupiter is domicile ruler of 3rd house
in which Mars is located in Sagittarius
Professors communicate considerably
3rd house is associated with communication


I too had noticed this. If we keep to the original chart, the ASC is in the last degree of Virgo. Mihalerm, do you feel there is anything "wishy/washy" about you? The MC is also in the last degree of Gemini, which is bound by Saturn. One of the ancient techniques for determining career in a chart is to look to the bound ruler of the midheaven.

If we move the MC into early Cancer, we get MC ruler in 9th house of Gemini (and this is the Moon we are talking about here) ruled by an exalted Mercury (who becomes "in-sect" for being a masculine, diurnal planet ~ rising ahead of the Sun~ in masculine quadrant...and just stationed 1* past his exact exaltation) with the MC bound by Mars posited in Jupiter's sign in the 3rd house.

Mercury is cadent in either chart, and in welled degree, but he has Venus in his sign and applies to a trine with an equally strong Jupiter (again, who is the exaltation ruler of the Cancer MC.

I'd be willing to bet milharlen didn't have anything in his career "handed to him" and had to work very hard for what he did accomplish. Mercury and Jupiter both stationing direct will naturally be significant. Jupiter rules wisdom (and professors) and Mercury rules learning, the rational mind, etc.

If MC stays in Gemini Jupiter has no say in career as he is in aversion to the 9th and signifies nothing there--in fact, Gemini is Jupiter's detriment.

mihalerm
01-26-2014, 02:13 AM
Thanks tsmalll. Your considerations are more than helpful and I agree with your analysis.for the Libra ASC. Am going to change my birth time.

But please be merciful! I am just a beginner in traditional astrology (which I find fascinating) and my native language is not English. Therefore please clarify what you mean by "wishy/washy","welled degree" and mainly by "bound ruler" - never heard of this "dignity"(???) neither could find any reference on this term in Google.

As to your statement "I'd be willing to bet milharlen didn't have anything in his career "handed to him" and had to work very hard for what he did accomplish. " you lost! On the contrary, I always had good luck as to jobs and carrier. Never had to look for a job or a promotion, always was invited as well was invited to study for my PhD which I concluded in about one year (in the USA).

Earlier you said "Just going by the very small amount of detail you have provided here" I would be glad providing you with more details but prefer to provide them in private. How does one send a PM in this site?

tsmall
01-26-2014, 02:24 AM
Thanks tsmalll. Your considerations are more than helpful and I agree with your analysis.for the Libra ASC. Am going to change my birth time.
But please be merciful! I am just a beginner in traditional astrology (which I find fascinating) and my native language is not English.
Therefore please clarify what you mean by "wishy/washy","welled degree" and mainly by "bound ruler" - never heard of this "dignity"(???) neither could find any reference on this term in Google.
Earlier you said "Just going by the very small amount of detail you have provided here" I would be glad providing you with more details but prefer to provide them in private. How does one send a PM in this site?

Wishy/washy: Someone who has a difficult time making a decision about something and then when he/she does it is usually to his/her detriment without a logical consideration of the outcome of the events.

Welled degrees are also called pitted degrees. You may read more online here

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29126

and here

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/deginf1.html

Bounds are the same as terms, using the older Hellenistic word. Yet more information can be found here.

http://www.azastrologers.org/Articles/NoblehorseBoundsPart1.pdf

Before you elect to change your ASC, I would recommend testing it by some rectification method. JUPITERASC gave a link earlier to a method, and has also previously posted a thread about how to use one's marriage date, as well as the births of any children for rectification purposes.

To send a pm, the easiest way would be to visit my profile here, and then go to "contact info." From there you may select to send me a private message.

tamara

mihalerm
01-26-2014, 03:18 AM
Thanks Tamara for your quick reply.
Next week will be "digesting" all this info.
Tomorrow is Sunday, will rest!!

Mihail

IleneK
01-26-2014, 02:34 PM
Thanks to mihalerm and especially to tsmall for a very informative and stimulating thread.

And to tamara I can only say: you totally rock, girl! I cannot thank you enough for all you continue to teach to me.

Good cheer to all this fine winter morning in the northern hemisphere!

JUPITERASC
01-26-2014, 10:37 PM
Thanks tsmalll. Your considerations are more than helpful and I agree with your analysis.for the Libra ASC. Am going to change my birth time.

But please be merciful! I am just a beginner in traditional astrology (which I find fascinating) and my native language is not English. Therefore please clarify what you mean by "wishy/washy","welled degree" and mainly by "bound ruler" - never heard of this "dignity"(???) neither could find any reference on this term in Google.

As to your statement "I'd be willing to bet milharlen didn't have anything in his career "handed to him" and had to work very hard for what he did accomplish. " you lost! On the contrary, I always had good luck as to jobs and carrier. Never had to look for a job or a promotion, always was invited as well was invited to study for my PhD which I concluded in about one year (in the USA).

Earlier you said "Just going by the very small amount of detail you have provided here" I would be glad providing you with more details but prefer to provide them in private. How does one send a PM in this site?
PLANETARY ESSENTIAL DIGNITY TABLE

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/im/dignities2.gif

HOW TO READ THIS TABLE http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

JUPITERASC
01-26-2014, 10:44 PM
AND A TABLE OF ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES ACCORDING TO DOROTHEUS WHO PRECEDED PTOLEMY :smile:
http://stargazersjournal.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Essential_Dignities_Table.jpg

JUPITERASC
01-26-2014, 10:57 PM
Useful tutorial :smile:

UNDERSTANDING PLANETARY DIGNITY AND DEBILITY http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dignities.html

pharvey0829
11-07-2015, 05:48 PM
Since the outer planets are considered higher octaves of the inner planets, we could just give them the same dignities as the inner planets which they are the higher octaves of. The biggest problem with this is obviously Uranus as the higher octave of Mercury ruling Aquarius, as it would be domiciled in Gemini and Virgo rather than Aquarius and exalted in Virgo rather than Scorpio. Uranus should be considered the higher octave of Saturn more so than Mercury if this is to be very effective. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars and Mars traditionally rules Scorpio, and Neptune is considered the higher octave of Jupiter and Jupiter traditionally rules Pisces. This would put Pluto as ruler of both Scorpio and Aries, Neptune to Pisces and Sagittarius, and Uranus to Aquarius and Capricorn. I think this is a good system _if_ you want to dignify the outer planets. I know most traditionalists would be quite mad at this, but modern astrology was (loosely) built upon traditional astrology. It's best to be aware of all systems to be able to use all systems.

Edit: On aforementioned example Mars is elevated. Does this make a difference?

I like the idea of uranus being a higher octave of saturn, neptune being a higher octave of jupiter, and pluto being a higher octave of mars. Combine that with the idea of day and night rulerships, and this would help make modern rulerships plausible without destroying the traditional system. Uranus could be the day ruler of aquarius with saturn being the night ruler. Neptune could be the day ruler of pisces with jupiter being the night ruler, and pluto could be the day ruler of aries with mars being the night ruler. Going in the other direction, saturn could be the day ruler of capricorn with uranus being the night ruler. Jupiter could be the day ruler of sagittarius with neptune being the night ruler, and mars could be the day ruler of scorpio with pluto being the night ruler. That would keep the rulerships balanced and symmetrical and keeps the traditional system of assigning rulerships intact.

JUPITERASC
11-07-2015, 06:16 PM
I like the idea of uranus being a higher octave of saturn, neptune being a higher octave of jupiter, and pluto being a higher octave of mars. Combine that with the idea of day and night rulerships, and this would help make modern rulerships plausible without destroying the traditional system. Uranus could be the day ruler of aquarius with saturn being the night ruler. Neptune could be the day ruler of pisces with jupiter being the night ruler, and pluto could be the day ruler of aries with mars being the night ruler. Going in the other direction, saturn could be the day ruler of capricorn with uranus being the night ruler. Jupiter could be the day ruler of sagittarius with neptune being the night ruler, and mars could be the day ruler of scorpio with pluto being the night ruler. That would keep the rulerships balanced and symmetrical and keeps the traditional system of assigning rulerships intact.
This thread is on the TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY BOARD
and guidelines state that the Traditional Astrology Board is:

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and exludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto :smile:
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