PDA

View Full Version : Speed = Dignity?


Rebel Uranian
09-18-2011, 03:13 AM
I just read that the speed of a planet proportional to its average speed (or maybe mode speed, I'm not sure) which is also known as being fast is another form of dignity. Is this true? Here are the speeds of the planets on my chart (I left out the points here because it's easier to start just looking at the planets):

A Sun k 134'18" 12 1 1' 2" 0 0' 1" S 1948'29" S
B Moon d 849'49" 6 1211'35" 5 0'50" S 18 8'23" N
C Mercury j 715'38" 11 51'55" 137'21" N 2137' 4" S
D Venus j 1412'22" 12 115' 8" 0 5'58" S 2246'43" S
E Mars g 432'31" 8 10'16" 3 5'39" N 1 2' 8" N
F Jupiter j 2959' 9" 12 14' 8" 021'39" S 2030'15" S
G Saturn a 241'31" 2 4'50" 217'16" S 1 1'45" S
O Uranus k 427' 2" 1 3'31" 034' 7" S 1941'55" S
I Neptune j 2736'11" 12 2'17" 025'21" N 2013'27" S
J Pluto i 459'53" 10 1'31" 1228' 1" N 851'11" S

Sun is fast (probably very very fast considering the Sun is supposed to be slow in Aqua and can't change speeds much anyways), Moon is slow, Mercury is slow, Venus is fast, Mars is fast, Jupiter is a little < 3x as fast, Saturn is 2x as fast, Uranus is a little > 3x as fast, Neptune is 2x as fast, Pluto is fast. (Just fast = a little fast, except on Mars, where I forgot exactly how fast it was.)

Does anybody else have any opinions or information on this?

tikana
09-18-2011, 03:25 AM
Okay

The planet slows down only for 3 reasons

1. Getting ready to go retro (sun and moon do not retro)
2. When a planet is retro
3. I think it is when a planet behind the sun it is slow

faster speed moving planet is accidental dignity not essential

T

Rebel Uranian
09-18-2011, 04:14 PM
So does that give my Moon accidental debility? It's going almost twice as slow... (normal for it being 14 degrees.) Or does slow only mean being behind the Sun and have nothing to do with how many degrees it is moving?

tikana
09-18-2011, 04:19 PM
hi

here a complete list of essential and accidental debility

have fun

http://books.google.com/books?id=pzaPpyZFzpEC&pg=PA101&dq=accidental+debility+astrology&hl=en&ei=oRl2Trn7GsbGgAeNufH8DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=accidental%20debility%20astrology&f=false

T

JUPITERASC
09-18-2011, 05:32 PM
So does that give my Moon accidental debility? It's going almost twice as slow... (normal for it being 14 degrees.) Or does slow only mean being behind the Sun and have nothing to do with how many degrees it is moving?

When a planet is fast in motion it is accidentally dignified so gets a +2
When a planet is slow in motion it is accidentally debilitated so gets a -2
source half way down the page: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig5.html :smile:

Anachiel
09-19-2011, 11:25 PM
What you are asking is has a few things to distinguish.

First, the natural speed of a planet determines who is going to aspect who first. For example, the Moon is the fastest body, so she can zoom around the chart aspecting everyone quickly. Now, if we look at a chart and see that both Mars and the Moon are about to aspect Saturn; we know that the Moon will get there first as she is much faster than Saturn.

Second, a planet has an average daily motion. This is determines by the average speed that a planet moves in a day. So, for the Sun, for example, the average daily motion is about 0'59. Anyway, if a planet moves faster than its average in a day, it is fast. Contrawise, it is slow. This is what determines the accidental dignity/debility and also can be used to adjust timing, both actual and symbolic.

Third, the sign (and house) a planet is in can show timing. Even though, for example the moon is detrimented in Capricorn, it also can show a timing of "days" if the matter concerns timing as Capricorn is a cardinal sign. On the other hand the Moon is exalted in Taurus but for timing this would indicate "months" (or years) as Taurus is a slow, fixed sign.

Blessings,

Anachiel

JUPITERASC
09-19-2011, 11:34 PM
What you are asking is has a few things to distinguish.
First, the natural speed of a planet determines who is going to aspect who first. For example, the Moon is the fastest body, so she can zoom around the chart aspecting everyone quickly. Now, if we look at a chart and see that both Mars and the Moon are about to aspect Saturn; we know that the Moon will get there first as she is much faster than Saturn.
Second, a planet has an average daily motion. This is determines by the average speed that a planet moves in a day. So, for the Sun, for example, the average daily motion is about 0'59. Anyway, if a planet moves faster than its average in a day, it is fast. Contrawise, it is slow. This is what determines the accidental dignity/debility and also can be used to adjust timing, both actual and symbolic.
Third, the sign (and house) a planet is in can show timing. Even though, for example the moon is detrimented in Capricorn, it also can show a timing of "days" if the matter concerns timing as Capricorn is a cardinal sign. On the other hand the Moon is exalted in Taurus but for timing this would indicate "months" (or years) as Taurus is a slow, fixed sign. Blessings,
Anachiel

Regarding the Mutable Signs then would Moon in Gemini, Pisces, Sagittarius or Virgo imply uncertain and/or changeable or unreliable timing?

Rebel Uranian
09-19-2011, 11:37 PM
Why do they all get the same accidential dignity even if they're just a little faster or a little slower than normal? If the Sun goes at 1'00 it gets the same dignity as a Sun going at 2'00 (hypothetically speaking) even though the Sun going at 2'00 is much faster...

JUPITERASC
09-19-2011, 11:46 PM
Why do they all get the same accidential dignity even if they're just a little faster or a little slower than normal? If the Sun goes at 1'00 it gets the same dignity as a Sun going at 2'00 (hypothetically speaking) even though the Sun going at 2'00 is much faster...

The measure is whether the sun is faster than normal. If the sun is faster than normal then it gets a +2...

how fast can the sun travel? No faster than approximately forty thousand miles an hour - that's not slow. :smile:

Imitation_Scorpion
09-20-2011, 02:42 AM
your misunderstanding how to use the dignity table... you don't go through it and give a planet an overall rating number.

Once you get into the deeper levels of traditional astrology, such as determining humorous, and you need to find the lord of the genture, (planet with most dignity) then you will need to evaluate for the;

"strongest planet with the best ability to act."

Which is a judgement call in some cases.

its basically a tool for fine tuning.

Anachiel
09-21-2011, 11:17 PM
Regarding the Mutable Signs then would Moon in Gemini, Pisces, Sagittarius or Virgo imply uncertain and/or changeable or unreliable timing?

It is the planet that is cadent and fixed that can be indeterminable. Then one would have to find other testimonies regarding timing to give some sort of time frame, if that is possible/applicable. Fixed and cadent places are the slowest places.

The planet that is mutable is a "mean" or "middle" amount of time. But, house placement also helps to fine tune this in addition to the quality of the sign.

Anachiel
09-21-2011, 11:18 PM
Why do they all get the same accidential dignity even if they're just a little faster or a little slower than normal? If the Sun goes at 1'00 it gets the same dignity as a Sun going at 2'00 (hypothetically speaking) even though the Sun going at 2'00 is much faster...


Fast is fast...there is no fast, faster and fastest. It is either fast or not. It is either slow or not.

byjove
09-21-2011, 11:35 PM
Why is the speed of a planet considered in dignity and debility? Why would that show signs of advantage/disadvantage? And how far does it go; one sign ahead, two signs ahead is still fast in motion? One sign behind or two is still slow??

tikana
09-21-2011, 11:46 PM
Byjove

if a planet decreases speed from its natural one, it is a debility meaning that it is about to turn retro

T

Anachiel
09-21-2011, 11:46 PM
Why is the speed of a planet considered in dignity and debility? Why would that show signs of advantage/disadvantage? And how far does it go; one sign ahead, two signs ahead is still fast in motion? One sign behind or two is still slow??

This is average daily motion we are talking about. The speed a planet moves within a day, wherever it is. If it is moving faster than its' average speed then the planet is considered "fast". Conversely, it is "slow".

To answer your question as to why; a planet fast is able to accomplish things quickly, smoothly, easily. Conversely, (like the nature of Saturn), something slow is regarded as ponderous, negative, obstructed and not easily or quickly accomplished.

Again, this is only a point reckoned when it comes to timing and overall dignity/debility (strength). It is not something that, by itself, can blow a chart out of the water.