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Pallas-trine-Mars
08-11-2010, 06:33 PM
For instance, Mars in Aries in a Taurus rising chart, or even an Aries rising chart where Mars has already risen. Would a Libra rising have problems with relations with Venus in the 12th, even in Libra and not even in Virgo?

[moved to dignities board as discussion more in line with board topic - moderator]

dr. farr
08-13-2010, 06:53 AM
I am not so down on the 12th house as most, so, although it is cadent, I would not go as far as making a general statement that a well-essentially dignified status could be lost merely by such placement. But I do follow some (quite ancient) and now largely forgotten "beliefs" regarding the "effects" of degree positions, and I do believe that, regardless of house placement, even strong essential dignity can be largely negated (relative to the planet's potential influence) by the planet being posited in a "pitted degree", and even moreso, if a planet is posited in one of the Manilius "partes damnandes"...

Culpeper
08-13-2010, 06:02 PM
Having examined the charts of many politicians, celebrities, and relatives, I do not find planets in the 12th to be weak when dignified. It is a good place for Freemasons, people who make money from cattle and horses, and certain politicians. This is from my own astological experience. And according to Bonatti, it is a good placement for horse racing and betting on such.

astrologer50
09-14-2010, 10:58 PM
For instance, Mars in Aries in a Taurus rising chart, or even an Aries rising chart where Mars has already risen. Would a Libra rising have problems with relations with Venus in the 12th, even in Libra and not even in Virgo?

venus in virgo is in it's detriment, and debilitated in the 12th. BUT exalted in pisces. there are subtle differences.

detriment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detriment_(astrology) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detriment_(astrology))
Exaltation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(astrology) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(astrology))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_(astrology) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_(astrology))