Will my arthritis disappear as fast as it came?

DVANZETT

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When will this very bad transit pass?

In April, 2007 I woke up and could not walk. There was never any indication that there was a problem. The specialist says it's arthritis. Since then I have developed one inflammatory condition after the other, from my stomach to other parts of the body.The day before I woke up full of pain, I was told my mom only had days to live. She was my world. In that same month my husband was tested for prostate cancer and and was operated on one month later.We don't know the outcome there at this time.I am attaching my chart because I have had readings done and none are me. I sometimes think my mom has my birth time wrong. I was born at home.After looking at various times of charts,I think that Mars and Saturn were in Cancer, 6th house.My ascendent is Capricorn, ruling the bones. My legs have always been my strongest asset and now they are my weakest. Does Saturn in Leo and Virgo have anything to do with this situation? That seems to be when everything started to go wrong in my life. Saturn and Mars were in Cancer( natal).Now Saturn has been in my 8th house since September 2007. The pain that I have went thru in the last 2 years is excruciating as I'm unable to take anything that irritates the stomach.I had (gerd) for 12 years and it disappeared shortly before this pain struck every joint in my body. I need to know if this is ever going to end. Is there a chance that Saturn in Libra will be any better for my health? I would appreciate any info you can give me. I realize that there are other planets that could be causing this but I'm not that far into my astrology course to understand everything needed to help myself at this time.
 

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GeraniumSA

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Looking at your birth-chart, you have a mercury-saturn opposition. I feel that this may be indicative of a mind(mercury)-body(structure/saturn) challenge. You say your problems began at the same time as when you were undergoing major life stresses. The first thing you need to do is to manage the stresses in your life. (Mercury rules the nerves.) I don't know which of these may help: meditation, exercise, the B-vitamins, Tylenol, cutting out caffine, chewing gum. Then you can work on the arthritis--I personally find taking tumeric helpful, as well as using Ben-gay on my knees when it gets really bad.

Since your saturn is conjunct your mars, exercise (if/when you can stand it) is particularly recommended. Swimming(saturn/mars in Cancer) and Breathing exercises (6th house of Gemini, an air sign) might be good places to start.

Tumeric is also helpful for stomach ailments, and is easier on the stomach than taking over-the-counter painkillers all the time. The traditional way of taking Tumeric is with Ghee, a clarified butter solution. Alternitive ways of taking it are to take it with some kind of fatty base, like cottage cheese, or yogurt. If you needed to go non-dairy, you could take it with Tums (calcium antacid). Tumeric works by blocking the inflammation process. It works best when you are consuming the proper ratio of omega-3 oils to omega-6 oils. You may be consuming too many omega-6 fats, and not enough omega-3 fats. Omega-3 fats are found in flax, fish oils, some algae and there are some other foods. You need to consume at least 2 grams of tumeric a day to be effective, and you could take up to 15 grams a day safely. I'm on a budget, so taking that many pills of tumeric is unreasonable for me on a daily basis. I buy a bottle of tumeric from the grocery store and consume it in the course of a week. The only counter-recommedations I know of for tumeric, is if you have gall-stones or are pregnant.

I hope that helps.
 

DVANZETT

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Geranium,Thank you for the info.I do not take omega 6.We get enough in our daily food,Omega 3 is the choice of Canadians. I have been on this for 2 years. At this time I'm willing to try anything therefore the tumeric regime starts tomorrow. As for exercise I do as much as possible and deep breathing really helps. Have had 2 sessions with accupuncture and can feel a little relief already.With all the help I'm receiving thru your website I know things will get better. Hopefully the tumeric works and this bad transit will hit the road.
Thanks to all of the great people for their help and advise. I'll be in touch. Di
 

franklin taylor

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DVANZETT,
Definitely watch the Omega 6 and 9 oils. From info I have read... diets of modern societies are nearly toxic on them. Omega 3 is the way and mine is Flaxseed ...its better for women to consume the oil and for men to consume ground flaxseed.. the oil tends to make men fat, so less concentrated seed are only needed for males, none the less though it is proven great for the heart in both. Not all fats are bad despite popular opinion. Its great for breast cancer prevention in both. Little known fact....10,000 men die of breast cancer in the USA alone annually, five times fewer than women but still one is too many for either sex.

Mars in Cancer would sound malefic for breasts as it is for the upper digestive system according to traditional medical astrology. With it in the house of health (6th) it would increase the chance for the whole digestive system to be affected since Virgo rules the lower digestive system and Cancer in the 6th (where Virgo is traditionally the Ruler) that is hard on that system in the body. Saturn in Cancer seems like it would be an indicator for Scleroderma where digestive organs, among others, harden and the Axis opposition Capricorn, ruler of the skin would be afflicted as well. Wherever Saturn touches, restriction and hardening is more common a problem...Saturn in Leo would point to cardiovascular system and the spine hardening and restriction. It would depend on the rest of the chart to decide where the symbology of Mercury areas (house) functions. Also, as to where we can obsessively (if afflicted in some way) THINK would manifest itself, and where Jupiter's symbology, or where we may carry out the aspects of that house in EXPANSIVE and excessive ways. How we act out will wear on our health in the long run be it nervous or body systems.

Believe me, I know from personal experience...My stellium in the 6th house includes Mars in Cancer and the digestive system has been a problem for me my whole life. Jupiter is conjunct it in the 6th I tend to overeat...then my Mercury is there too and I have obsessed with constricting eating by the same token...nearer to anoxeria nervousa..including distorted body image and obsessed during those times with not gaining weight, starving myself...these usually occur in manias I have had. My Mercury (6th) semisquares Pluto(7th) lending to obsessive distorted (both planets in less positive ways) of thinking. Combining the symbology of both houses.....healthy diet... Normal to thin body image..(6th) lent to better relationships(7th)with other people..WRONGO LOL. Though I really am not judgemental about others weight much..just mine...We 7th house Sun natives can be such people pleasers cuz we focus on others, LOL, especially when many tell you.. you need to lose weight...or even gain in my case off and on... Most of the rest of the time I was overweight by and large after age 12. This is a "curse" LOL from having too heavy an emphasis in the 6th house (house) setting me up for nervous problems often enough since I have the right..(wrong) arrangement of planets there. Excessive Conjunctions focally pointed in one house always knock that house out of balance. I became overweight after a head injury (fell from a horse) at age 12 and continued to be extremely active in daily activity (6th house) yet overweight. (My Progressed Sun was just passing out of 0 degrees Virgo as well) Heavy physical activity and too much weight is not a good combination for the joints in the long run. Lots of sprained backs, necks, and ankles as far as myself is concerned. All my personal planets except the Moon (Cancer moon adding to stomach trouble) and Sun are in the sixth and they are relatively close by.


As for Arthritis... I have beaten Hypertension, Diabetes, Non Alcoholic liver disease with moderate stage cirrohsis, and Ulcerative Colitis. Doctors have had to take me off medications for all these ..Not myself....essentially I have healed myself (Saturn/Chiron conjunction in the 2nd a place where we focus our self-worth which can help our bodies when we look for the good in things... MAYBE?)....for it makes doctors no money to take me off things like medications and attending only annual doctor visits. My personal doctor's favorite actual phrase for me is ..."I'd never see you if you didn't have Bones and joints LOL"

Its been primarily major diet/ lifestyle changes and supplementation that has changed my life......but the arthritis of my feet/ achilles tendons...(My Saturn in Pisces) spine (Leo Sun), and other joints (prominent Saturn Singleton in the East hemisphere and traditional Ascendant ruler) I still have to overcome. My spine is nearer to 10 times denser than normal and I have a bone removal surgery in one area or another...(the last was March 08 in my elbow) almost annually. I take no calcium supplements and I do take magnesium yet my bones still continue to grow denser out of control. From all indications my digestive system is what triggered my arthritises. Tell me your secret if your arthritis disappears as it is usually something palatively treated not healed. A happy outlook does a world of good for its action on your body, but it has an uncanny way of robbing one of that joy at times. A "hardened heart" type of outlook on the world causes a harden body system in time....a proven fact. I know I have been there too... I truly wish you all the best.
Take care
Franklin
 

DVANZETT

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Franklin, thank you for the info and I think you are right on the nose especially my stomach problems causing my arthritis. This might be hard to believe but I had gerd for exactly 12 years and at the same month it disappeared this arthritis took over. Since it takes 12 years for Jupiter to make the trip thru the signs it seemed that this had something to do with the gerd and another problem caused by my stomach. I've always had to be careful of what I ate (no acidity) cannot take vit c or citrus. I am prone to air pollutants, household cleaners, anything that leaves a scent in the air. (Uranus) When I was 12 years old I started getting a swollen lip. The doctors have never been able to figure out why to this day. I'v had to live with the scarred mouth for 46 years. Now at the time my gerd disappeared so did this unknown ailment. It always cropped up when there was distress in my life. In those days doctors didn't know about stress and how it can make your body sick.
From what I have read Aquarians are known for strange diseases that appear and disappear. That is why I asked if the arthritis will go as fast as it came. In 2005 my doctor told me I had high cholesterol. Flaxseed brought it down, It took 6 months. About that time omega 3 was introduced to me. Wouldn't be without it. Having taken coral calcium and vit d has surely helped. (Plus the other bone building herbals I take.) Bone density excellent as of my last test in December.No weight problem. The one thing that really gets me is the obsession with my overall health. I personally think that plays a part in the problems that are happening at this time. When the doctor told me about my cholesterol I went on a health kick, finding on the internet all possible health info. Thinking my eating habits were good was WRONG. Changing them to a healthier lifestyle was good. Then this condition came along just when all things were going so well. Why in the world could something like this happen?
It doesn't seem possible that a person could finally get relief from 2 long ailments and another take it's place. It's mind boggling. Having been a nervous person all my life has not helped. The past 3 years have been heartbreaking for me, with all the deaths happening to the very young to old.Now my second husband has cancer and there seems to be no end to the hardships those planets are putting me thru. I have been going thru this since Saturn was in Leo, followed by virgo It was 30 years ago that my dad passed away in Saturn Leo and now both my 1st (died) and 2nd husband (not good) were both diagnosed with cancer (when Saturn was in Leo)at the same time. Ironic.Every day I get up and wonder what misery the day will bring. I know I have to stop dwelling on the bad things and look for the good things that are right here ,like family and friends. I know you can't help me any further as you've done a great job with all your advice. I would like to know if you see further stumbling blocks in my future so that there is preparation on my part. If things change for me you will be the first to hear. With gratitude ,Di
 

franklin taylor

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Hello DVANZETT
Nothing you can say about how the Human Body can betray us is unbelievable. A lesson in my life I have learn. Those who have great health and aren't working to maintain a future of good health are only kidding themselves. Misdiagnosed and "Mystery illnesses" are designated to Neptune like Uranus to sudden ones...But Jupiter as well as Neptune being a Prominent..(High) in the sky at your birth shows that yes Jupiter could very well be the trigger transiting. The prominent or an angular Neptune can indicate a propensity to have auto-immune(arthritis is a big one) problems as well. Your Saturn and Mars in Cancer are both poor placements as far of course. Although Saturn represents Alkalinity in the body and Mars represents Acidity in the body... one would think they would balance the two if they were conjunct or represented in the same sign...but maybe they are warring with one another as well. The redeeming quailty for the Saturn placement in your Chart being that its in the 7th where Libra's home house exalts it. So you may have an endurance over these illness. Your Nervousness...Your Moon in Sagittarius can point to that. Have you looked into acidolphilus for your stomach concerns it went a long way in curing my cirrohsis... Your inability to consume vitamin C in the long run will bring your bodies ability to heal the whole circulatory system... and is why many humans die from heart and circulatory system diseases but animals do not. Somewhere down the line man lost his ability to produce his own vitamin C and animals did not. A rabbit, for example, makes and stores thousands of IU's of it in its liver daily. Modern man is still dying of Scurvy every day like the people and most notably sea men of older times, and doesn't even know it. It is poorly represented in diets as well. But a cardinal emphasis increases strokes and circulatory problems. Which for an Aquarian Sun native could equate to leg aneurism. Malefic placement of Saturn and Mars in Cancer has been known to be specific with the heart lining as well. Saturn in the signs shows our body weakest points. Yours being in Cancer watch the breasts, upper digestive system. Since Mars rules eruptive mechanisms and Acid there's the excessive reflux problem...were you bad about eating heavy meals and triggering all sorts of problems whether thin or overweight. I have a brother in law that is a heavy eater but thin LOL.. Saggy Moons can do that too fairly often. ..Will add that Natal Mars in the 7th House natives tend to lose at least one spouse before them and earlier in life...not in old age I mean by this since eveyone almost does that. I have to cut it short...will look over your chart some more info for you at a later time.
Bye for now and take care
Franklin
 

Mystica79

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Hi.

I'm a Capricornian, 30 years old and I have R. arthritis for 15 years. I have been taking drugs for a long time - the heavy one, with impact on all immune system. Three years ago I was poisoned with one of the drugs and I decided to turn into alternative medicine - and so far it works. Combination of many many things and I have spend lots of money.


Anyway ...
Capricor rules the bones, right?
I have my 8th and 9th house in Capricorn. In 8th house is Sun and Mars. Saturn is is 4th, retrograde ... his aspects aren't bad; I have applying trine to the Sun and Mars, but it squares my ASC in Gemini.

I also blame my Uranus in 6th for my illness.

Can anyone tell me, what do you see in my chart? Because of this illness I mean.
 

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Ekim86

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Hello. I just beifly read through the posts on this thread so forgive me if it was already mentioned. I know a couple of remedies for arthritis. I have no idea if this one actually works or not but may temporarly ease ur arthritis pain. My neighbor a mechanic is over 80 years old and when his arthritis acts up (in his hands) he uses WD-40 on it. lol kinda funny. Again I have no idea if this on works or not as I havent got a chance to talk with him in a few months. Anywho this next remedy I hear works wonders and some people report having no arthritis after a treatment or so. Bee stings. Yup thats right. There is something about the sting a a bee that greatly helps arthritis when applied to the area that hurts. Google it or youtube it. There have been many successfull cases of bee stings greatly reducing arthritis pain. Hopefully ur not allergic. I saw one women on t.v. she was attacked by a sworm of bees and almost died. She was pretty old and was attacked for quite sometime. However she lived through it and said this her arthritis had completly dissapeared. Figured I'd comment. :) Good luck with everything and I wish you the best.
 

AquariusT

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I believe illness/disease and conditions are in our charts of course, but arthritis according to Louise Hay is a condition that manifests when people harbr feelings they cannot let out and express. People living in conditions where they cannot be free, cannot speak up, or cannot change causes it she says. She has affirmations you can repeat to let it out and be gone with it, and of course meditation and self heal. I wish you well.
 

franklin taylor

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Interesting points AquariusT and Ekim. I agree completely about arthritis and emotions. I think the foresight is short of what type and when the arthritis' attack hits. I would think early onset (not senior onset) arthritis is most likely from not expressing or dealing with stress or not taught to deal with it appropriately. I can see that with myself. Mars in Cancer or other water signs for that matter do not express anger well, they may sulk quitely like Cancer Moons as well. The varitable "wall flower" they suffer much emotonal pain they seldom vent but in the most intimate of social settings and become more reserved in expressing them over the years in order to hold that "Crabshell" together. To have personal planets on the Axis of Capricorn and Cancer must be unbearable in expressing the emotions at times but for those who deal with it... it becomes..."just life"...Not unlike many arthritis sufferers will come to realize its just life. Not to say we like it but we know its part of us now. Thats been the hardest part with me and my inner Leo pride issues. Acceptance. Capricorn Mars natives may deal well with the outer world (10th house native and Mars exaltation) but are reserved on a personal expression level particularly when Cappy mars is in a "water house 4, 8, 12th. The Cappy Moon is reserve and stores emotions period. They have deep feelings, but they are poorly expressed. All this inability to express feelings, manipulate, or wear on people till we get our more "Martian" points across exhibits itself in ailments like arthritis and heart disease for that matter. You'll read Mars' expression is weak in Cancer because its in detriment..not so...it is only expressed in "Unmars" like fashion..Mars Cancerians are like the waves of the ocean we hit until it crumbles rather than being flambouyant in a direct attack as it does in fire signs and other elements. Just as powerful but much more subtle and in that.... that very approach can be our undoing physically for this behavior wears on the Psyche (soul), mind, and body. Enlightened ones know.. they are all directly correlated to outer manifestations of our health. We crack at the seams from all the stored up unexpressed or misexpressed emotions.

Any general medical manual you read will tell you that the body begins to degenerate at age 25 on average, particularly the spine. It is the center of our body. It will also say that when we injure a joint or sometimes other parts of the body that it is second nature to grow "bone" around the injury in an attempt to heal it, but in reality that action can backfire on us and go "crazy" through our bodies. Identifying good body components as bad. In the world of mammals only a few species of bats and sloths have never been found to suffer from arthritis. What do those two have in common? They both spend a considerable amount of time daily hanging free ...yielding to gravity...resting the joint pressure gravity and the shear weight of the atmosphere places upon us all. Gravity... the very reason our bodies begin "Sagging South" with time in the first place LOL. Makes you wonder if it would be good for us to take a daily break from fighting gravity..which I am sure the people that hang upside down as a therapy would probably agree.

Ekim
WD-40 on painful joints I have heard of that all my life being a country native LOL. Am sure somewhere out here somebody puts a squirt of it in their coffee every morning LOL. They swear by it for everything. have two cans of it myself LOL. Heard it works for your joints also....but PCB's (Toulenes and Benzenes) of petroleum products does a good job of giving you Leukemia as well. You can read the warning on a gas pump just like a cigarette pack warning. A white square down on the side of the pump. Except it says "forms of cancer". Our skin is a large sponge LOL. Three of my Father's siblings have died from adult onset of that so its not an option I would try LOL. Why tempt genetics? I am on a pretty bad drug right now for an arthritis flare..prednisone..a drug a Sun square Neptune native like myself should avoid because these natives have naturally lowered immune systems and that drug will only compound it. (I personally call the drug .."the Grand Illusion" because it makes you and your body think that everything's great and it only masks the destructive symptoms of the diseases themselves and merely we are just postponing our dealing with the root problems) Sounds certainly like Neptune to me. Its not unlike any other social drug addiction with the exception that this prescribed medication is legal. I've never been a "seeker". Just like my Cancer emphasis in Virgo's native house symbolizes I have suffered quietly in many many ways. These digestive issues(Cancerian or Virgoan or correlating native houses..4th and 6th emphasized in one's natal chart) are health issues that can trigger an autoimmune response from our bodies. Even a "milder" case of food poisioning can give you a mild arthritic auto-immune response (just achy joints for example) if environmental and astrological aspects showing a tendency for gastrointestinal region sensitivity is present in the body and the Natal Chart.
 

DVANZETT

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Franklin, again I'm in total agreement with you . I have emotional wounds that I cannot heal.I have been unhappy since my mom died but the issue wasn't her death but the terrible things that were done after.(Not money issues). It's too long a story for this short message. I feel all that's happened to my body is psychosomatic but have no idea how to deal. My subconcious will not let me rest. I know I cannot change things but how do I express my feelings when I don't know how. Having bottled up all my hurts has caught up with me and I don't see a way out. It's easy to say forgive and forget but will the time ever come for me to clear my body and mind of all the debris I've carried so long.
Will a time come to heal my mind and body? I want this to happen. Is it in the stars? Will Chiron be my saviour? About that WD-40 for joints. I think I'll put that off for now. As for the bee stings, I'm allergic. As you have suffered quietly, so have I, but after looking for answers to my problems I found your site, backed by a world of knowledge from astrologers that I only dreamed could exist. When I first started telling my problems to you and others It was unbelievable that I received a response. After looking for answers for 3 years there was someone that didn't know me helping with this terrible battle I'm fighting. I'm not alone anymore and I thank you for that. At this time I am following the advice given (except the WD-40 and bee stings). I will be in touch again. If you look over my chart and see when and if I will ever get to the root of things, please let me know. Di
 
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DVANZETT

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Hi Mystica.I'm not sure that you want to post with me as I have the same problem as you (arthritis), I cannot read charts. I think you should repost. However I would like to know what alternatives you are taking and in what amounts.I can use and appreciate all the help that is offered. Wishing you wellness and a painfree life. Thanks Di
 

freedomlover

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Di,

I've been looking over your chart a little bit. You said this began in April 2007 - but you didn't say when. I cut the deck in half and used the 15th of April - just to try to get some kind of idea what kind of transits you were having at the time this illness suddenly started.

Saturn was retrograde at 18"Leo in the 7th, semi-sextiling your natal Mars (r) in Cancer. I've found that the semi-sextile brings up issues in your "blind spot". Mars is in the sign of the mother and Saturn is in the sign of the child - both are retrograde - meaning alot of introspection is needed and lessons to be learned. This combination can have to do with the attention the child receives from the mother. Again, it is retrograde, showing it "going the other way" in that department now.

Neptune in Aquarius in the 1st was trining your natal Chiron in Libra in the 9th house.

Pluto in Sagittarius was sitting on your South Node in the 12th house. 12th house has alot to do with illnesses ( also self-sabotage and what lies in our subconscious). Sagittarius also has rules the thigh - the source of strength in the legs. (Aquarius rules the area from below the knee to the ankle)

I'm going this route because I couldn't see where the subject of the transits at the time the illness started had been covered yet. I have several theories rolling around, but am going to stop at the major transits for now.( esp. since I'm guessing at the time of occurrence.) If you remember the exact date, that would be wonderful -if not, as close as you can get to it.

Also, I have had some what similar experiences with my health over the last several years - including problems with my legs, sometimes to the point of barely being able to walk. The problems with my legs also occurred while Pluto in Sag was transiting my 12th house.

Freedomlover
 

DVANZETT

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Dear Freedomlover, thank you for the message. The exact date was April 28/2007 the day after mom was given a short time to live. That is why I think it's all in my mind. I had no indication or warnings. It just occurred. To look back and in checking my daytimers there is nothing that I can see, as to soreness or injuries. It is all a mystery.
I do find it strange that an unknown inflammation to my lip and face that scarred my lip for 46 years (started at the age of 12) disappeared at that very month, than was taken over by arthritis. The lip inflammation always had warnings and were caused by (heat,cold,scents,and especially stress. Maybe you can tell me if another inflammation is on the way. Thank you again and hope to hear from you soon. Di
 

DVANZETT

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Dear Aquarius T, Louise Haye is right, in my way of thinking. I feel that all that has happened to me is of my own doing. I cannot find a way to forgive and forget. The wrongs were really unforgiveable but even though I try various methods of clearing up the debris in my psyche I find no peace. I have been there for people all my life and I thought that created good Karma. I don't feel that I am angry at anyone and never went to bed harbouring ill will to anyone, not even now. I sure would like to know how I can heal my mind and body. I have had a hard time expressing my feelings all my life(not to my family). I wish that would change.The things I am doing are accupunture, tai chi,deep breathing, alternative meds and the right foods. If this doesn't help, I'll just have to wait for these transits to move on.
I cannot take the meds for pain(coldsores and inflammation of stomache (gerd). I want to thank you for the kind words. Di
 
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I have been in constant pain with my entire arm specifically my shoulder for the last few months and I am fairly certain that this is arthritis. It started in my thumb about fifteen years ago and has slowly been working its way up. My friend also favours louise hayes emotional healing but this pain is soo bad that I cannot take painkillers, I would never be able to leave them alone...
 

DVANZETT

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Hi sparklyskies, the pain in my shoulder started Sept 3/2008 and yes the pain is soo bad right down to my numbing fingers. I am presently doing accupuncture, not helping so far. I was diagnosed with RA 2 years ago.This shoulder pain is so painful and cannot sleep. Do you get the numb hand, fingers? It feels like my ligaments are being pulled tight.sometimes burning and icy cold pain. Now the doctor told me today after an MRI that my shoulder is degenerative bone disease. Maybe this info can help you if the symtoms are the same. Thank you for the insight and hopefully your pain and mine will just go away, "wishful hoping." Di
 

Mystica79

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DVANZETT said:
Hi Mystica.I'm not sure that you want to post with me as I have the same problem as you (arthritis), I cannot read charts. I think you should repost. However I would like to know what alternatives you are taking and in what amounts.I can use and appreciate all the help that is offered. Wishing you wellness and a painfree life. Thanks Di
Hi :)

Well, I started with Glucosamine sulfate (ordered online), then I drank really lots of water and went to a terapist: bienergy and lately (don't laught) ... Shamanism IFA Orisha: http://www.ileorunmilaoshun.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=131:ifaorisha-and-ancestor-study-and-meditation&catid=62&Itemid=113

I was desperate, I tried bieoenergy, meditation, taking medicine, bioresonance therapy, acupuncture ... you name it. :(

my chart again
 
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DVANZETT

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Hi Mystica,I'm doing the cond-msn-gluc, over 2 years and really don't see any difference. Am presently in accupuncture,herbs and tumeric. Could you explain what the other methods are? I'm like you,very desperate to have a pain free life or just a lessening of this 24/7 disease. I spend alot of money.There is absolutely no RA on either side of my family so I am quite perplexed. If it is the transits, hopefully they will pass soon.
Please keep in toch so we can do some comparisons. Again I wish you well and since we are going thru the same thing, maybe we can be support for each other. Have you posted your chart in the greenhorns? It would benefit you greatly to know what the pros have to say.They certainy have helped me along. This is the greatest site for caring, altruistic professionals. I'll be looking in the greenhorns to see what they have to say about your situation. Make sure you insert an eye catching title to get some good responses. Thanks Di
 

freedomlover

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Di,
I'll begin with AquariusT's quote:
I believe illness/disease and conditions are in our charts of course, but arthritis according to Louise Hay is a condition that manifests when people harbr feelings they cannot let out and express. People living in conditions where they cannot be free, cannot speak up, or cannot change causes it she says. She has affirmations you can repeat to let it out and be gone with it, and of course meditation and self heal. I wish you well.
I had already seen this in your chart, and when I went back and re-read the posts by others, this seemed to confirm it strongly.

You've described all sorts of things you've done to heal your body, but I've not heard much described from the mind-body connection.

I looked at your natal,progressed, and transits together.

Transiting Neptune was conjunct your Progressed Moon. This can have a very spiritual meaning, and has much to do with women's equality. It can also point towards "spaciness" and being disassociated - possibly PTSD.
It is trine your Chiron in Libra in the 9th. Transiting Lilith was sitting on Chiron. 9th house has much to do with our experiences, as our beliefs shape our experiences. Libra often has problems with repressed anger and right assertiveness. Chiron points to a lesson in that. Lilith suggest the repressed anger is against men.

Ruler of 9th, Venus in Aquarius is in the 1st, conjunct Sun. It makes an exact t-square out of the MC/IC. This sounds like someone who has to be free and equal.

Nessus, which often comes up concerning abuse, is exact conjunct the IC at 5'55" Taurus. So, the abuse had to do with Taurean sort of things - money/physical pleasure/possibly even something to do with the throat area. Eris, goddess of discord, is exact conjunct the 3rd house cusp. Were you afraid to "cause a scene"? Eris at 5*Aries, is exact semisextile Nessus. Semi-sextiles often can be described as " a blind spot", or what is obvious, but we are overlooking.

Psyche is also at 5* - of Gemini in the 5th. This can refer to a need to "converse" with your inner child. Being in Gemini, it can refer to "double-mindedness"(read: lots of inner conflicting beliefs) regarding 5th house issues - children, romance, creativity, etc. It can also refer to a need for bold self-expression, and maybe creativity needing loosed.

Saturn(r) in Cancer rules your Ascendant. This can point to feelings of rejection, not feeling safe, and boundary issues in general. It is retrograde, so these issues will need some tweaking in your lifetime. Boundary issues are a biggie, and a need to protect oneself from feeling "enmeshed" in others. This is further pointed out by Scorpio being on the MC. Non-career-wise, the MC has alot to do with your destiny, and the major lesson that you need to learn to "turn your life around". It's a Scorpionic one, and one of Scorpio's lessons is emotional bonding/oneness/ But true bonding can't occur without proper personal boundaries. Perhaps someone in your life ( or lots of people) have been very disrespectful of your personal boundaries ( space ). Cancer on the ASC can also make someone an emotional sponge, soaking up other's energies at random. This is compounded to the nth degree without good boundaries.

Mars rules your MC and your 3rd house, and is Cancer. Did you have trouble speaking up to your mother? ( even though you adore her and she is your world). Mars in Cancer can also point to a battle of wills ( Mars) with the mother or family of origin - or even a feeling that you are "here to serve your mother" ( but not live life according to your own Divine plan) Mars in Cancer can also represent the type of men you attract into your life, especially with it being on the Descendant. Mars in Cancer type of men have a tendency to have a lot of "mother" issues, and can carry a lot of anger. Mars (ruler of 10th and 3rd) and Saturn (r) (ruler of Asc) are conjunct in the 7th. It certainly sounds like either mother issues or some kind of authority issues with Mars in Cancer type of men.

Mars and Saturn conjunct in Cancer in the 7th can also refer to depending on a husband to support you ( or one that wants you to support him). Issues of financial security can be overriding much in your life. You were having a Mars return at the time of the arthritis appearing. Mars rules inflammations. Mars conjunct Saturn (r) can also suggest that you need to have proper emotional boundaries with the men in your life. Also, Progressed Pallas in Capricorn was conjunct your Asc. Again pointing to "father, authority, and material support" issues - also rules, regulations, and having too much work put upon your by men. Cancer/Cap axis rules boundaries and authority. Pallas in Cap can refer to men who are controlling, emotionally cold, etc. It can also refer to the way you see God.

Moon in Sag in 11th, could point to religious conditioning being a factor, as well. Moon sextiles your Venus/Sun conjunction in the 1st - speaking to freedom issues. It sextiles Quaoar(r) in Libra in the 9th. Quaoar is closely associated with the idea of liberation -possibly referring to religious beliefs about marriage ( must obey the husband,not allowed to divorce, etc). Moon also trines Eris and opposes Psyche, so these issues may tie in with the Eris and Psyche issues mentioned earlier.

Also, there are several indicators in your chart that the abuse may have been sexual, but I don't want to go there without you going there, if you know what I mean.

It's also odd that Mercury in Cap is in your 1st. You should be a very confident, authoritative speaker. But on the flip-side of that, be sure to check yourself for over-controlling tendencies in your communication style. If you don't have a problem with speaking up, then check yourself for coming across too controlling( especially since that will set off a Mars in Cancer man faster than about anything.) There's definitely something "off" in the area of communication. Mercury is also conjunct Vesta, which is concerned with issues of security and protection.

To answer your question about Saturn in Libra. If my theory is right that much of what is making you sick has to do with boundaries and relationships with men. Yes, I think it could bring some great breakthrough if you apply yourself to healing psychologically/belief system-wise. ( if you dont' get some before then. I wouldn't think you'd have to wait till then) I would think the time that Saturn transits your Chiron may be an especially conducive time for healing - especially if the issues are karmic.

I hope this is of some help to you. I know this has been long, but your situation is serious, and I wanted to try to cover all the bases, if I could. (probably still left out somethings.) This should be good for starters. And please forgive me for the delay in getting back to you. I, too, have chronic pain and lots of brain fog. I've got to wait till I'm having a "clear" spell to be able to do this.

Much love and healing to you,

Freedomlover
 
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