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Yoi
08-30-2008, 09:37 AM
Jupiter is supposed to be in fall in Capricorn. However between 12 and 19 degrees Capricorn, Jupiter is in its term according to this table:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

I was wondering if the correct way to read a chart then is, if Jupiter is in Capricorn it is in fall and hence detrimented with the exception of 12-19 degrees Capricorn where it is in its term and hence dignified? So for Jupiter 12-19 degrees Capricorn is like a "safe region" in an otherwise bad sign for the planet?

Thanks!

Alex Barras
02-11-2009, 11:26 AM
i am not so lucky as you are! i have Jupiter in Capricorn 22 degrees almost 23... but it dominates my Chart because it is in conjonction with my Capricorn Sun 17 degrees... Lucky to be alive !!! I think it may mean that...

IleMacedonia
08-10-2010, 06:03 PM
Hi Yoi,
I have Jupiter in Capricorn in 0.52 degrees. Is that mean that it is in Fall? Not in term? According to that table Venus rules the 0-6 degrees of Capricorn. But what is with Jupiter? Has anyone know?

dillums
01-01-2011, 06:18 AM
Jupiter is supposed to be in fall in Capricorn. However between 12 and 19 degrees Capricorn, Jupiter is in its term according to this table:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

I was wondering if the correct way to read a chart then is, if Jupiter is in Capricorn it is in fall and hence detrimented with the exception of 12-19 degrees Capricorn where it is in its term and hence dignified? So for Jupiter 12-19 degrees Capricorn is like a "safe region" in an otherwise bad sign for the planet?

Thanks!

Hi Yoi!

That's right, jupiter is in its term between 12-19, and in its face between 0-10.
Term and face are the last two in the hierarchy of dignities:

For Medieval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval) astrologers, such as Bonatti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Bonatti) or Lilly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lilly), the dignities had a hierarchy. The most important dignity was domicile rulership; slightly less important was exaltation. Triplicity rulerships were still fairly important in medieval astrology, but nowhere near as vital as they were for Hellenistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic) astrologers such as Ptolemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_Ptolemy). Terms or bounds rulerships became very much diminished in importance, and face rulers were almost entirely ignored. (Lilly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lilly) said that the only function face rulers served was to keep a planet from being entirely peregrine--that is, without any essential dignity whatever—which was considered a malefic condition.)
However, Hellenistic astrologers had a very different view of the dignities. To earlier astrologers, such as Ptolemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy) and Vettius Valens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vettius_Valens), domicile rulership, exaltation, triplicity rulership and bounds rulership were all of equal strength in influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignity

astrologer50
01-10-2011, 09:21 AM
Jupiter is supposed to be in fall in Capricorn. However between 12 and 19 degrees Capricorn, Jupiter is in its term according to this table:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

I was wondering if the correct way to read a chart then is, if Jupiter is in Capricorn it is in fall and hence detrimented with the exception of 12-19 degrees Capricorn where it is in its term and hence dignified? So for Jupiter 12-19 degrees Capricorn is like a "safe region" in an otherwise bad sign for the planet?

Thanks!

IF you are a newcomer to astrology then I would leave these aspects til last, there are far more basic information needed to get a full grasp of things...

Pallas-trine-Mars
01-15-2011, 10:06 PM
No, I know the terms and faces, but I find them completely useless as far as supposedly giving a planet more happiness in a sign where it's uncomfortable.

The faces were designed in an basic pattern that doesn't really have any thought behind it. Terms were created simply by trying to decide how much dignity a planet got in a sign, then fewer or lesser degrees and earlier or later in the sign dependng on what the astrologer thought - In effect it's just wishful thinking, trying to make dignities for the planets when that's not how it works. If a planet isn't happy in a sign you can't just say "ok, have these degrees and like it more" it's either a good match or it isn't.

Therefore Jupiter is ALWAYS in fall in any degree of Capricorn and at any time, yes, but of course that doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Every planet finds a way to function in every sign and there's always a nugget of gold somewhere in the mountain of frustration of dealing with a planet in fall.

Nicki Minaj (if you know who that is) is an example. Tropical Sagittarius Sun ruled by Jupiter in Capricorn - Her career has skyrocketed out of nowhere.
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Also let me explain a bit of WHY Jupiter is in fall in Capricorn: Jupiter is consider warm and moist, expansive, happy. Capricorn is consider very cold and dry (it's the first winter sign) and prone to misery. Jupiter is the greater benefic, Capricorn is ruled by the greater malefic. Jupiter has very little in common with this sign and is almost at a complete disadvantage as far as offering help with the nature of the sign and its ruler set on coldness, self-serving ways, a negative outlook on everything... Of course, when Jupiter's there he there for nearly a year, so Capricorn has to find a way to work with it.