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glykeria
03-14-2006, 11:31 PM
hello everyone :D
If creativity can be viewed in a chart, can mental illness or a predisposition for mental illness? I believe that environment plays a big factor in this. I am wondering if in a chart people with weak minds, no not weak minds but ill minds maybe this should go on the medical astrology board. In todays day almost everyone is taking some sort of anti depressant/anxiety medications. I am not sure what exactly I mean. Can you see it in my chart Don't even look :wink: I am just scattered brained not mentally ill.
Glykeria

Arian Maverick
03-14-2006, 11:47 PM
Glykeria, would you like me to create/upload the charts here with the natal information you gave me omitted?

Aquarian Maverick

glykeria
03-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Sure thing that would be Super Duper just the new one lets see if anyone can see anything related to mental illness.
Glykeria
Aquarian Mav thanks :)

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 12:08 AM
Here is Your Natal Chart:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1682/glykeria9dp.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glykeria9dp.png)

Here is Your Husband's Natal Chart:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5969/shusband1yr.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shusband1yr.png)

Here is Your Synastry Chart:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2237/synastrychart3if.th.png (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=synastrychart3if.png)

Here is Your Davidson Relationship Chart:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3379/davidsonrelationshipchart8fa.th.png (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidsonrelationshipchart8fa.png)

I hope this is helpful... :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

glykeria
03-15-2006, 01:13 AM
So are we crazy to be married or is that just my imagination????
Glykeria

Lapis
03-15-2006, 01:22 AM
As is usual with me, I had this conversation telepathically around 2:30 am (3-14-06) early this morning in my head with many of you. It involved some of the members here on this thread and also some over at Bob Marks forum on the same subject. By the time I get this out many of you will be convinced that I have some form of 'mental illness'! :lol:

What I'm saying is that being a sensitive, a Seer, I far too often experience conversations and all the emotions that go along with that conversation.......many, many, hours or days before it arrives here in the physical. Yep, it gets frustrating and sometimes confusing but it's the truth, my truth. It's a big aspect of me my life/reality. Mercury Rx natally.

OK, mental illness. I don't much care at this point about being politically correct about this subject. Like glykeria said, our environment plays a huge part in the rapid increase of mental illness across the board. We can't eat, drink, breath, wear, live with and use materials that are toxic for decades and expect to not have this affect our health on all levels. But I also believe that as the Age of Aquarius, an AIR sign......becomes the primary energy we live within now, that the problems of "mental illness" will grow rapidly for a number of reasons. Electronic interference and all those Aquarian like invisible 'waves' of energy are already affecting all of us in not so wonderful ways, doing god only knows what all to our physical brains and our electromagnetic bodies. Plus the past Piscean Age chemicals are being discovered now to cause mental illness in the forms of dementia.

Astrologically I feel that the AIR signs (and their Rulers) in general - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius - are more prone to mental (air) imbalances and illness just like they can also access levels of mental genious. Sorry but stupid people just don't usually come down with 'mental illness', just the opposite it seems, which puts a different spin on many (but not all) forms of mental illness.

It came up that Capricorns are often mentally ill. As a Cap all I can say is.......try living with Saturn 24/7/365 and yes, at times you'll head straight towards serious depression. If not careful Capricorn/Saturn (Cancer/Moon) can manifest as agoraphobia even. Saturn so self imprisons, so self restricts, that it can morph into not being able to physically move and/or physically leave the house (Cancer). EACH SIGN manifests it's own type of fears and imbalances that taken to an extreme, can become one of many different types of mental illness.

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 01:32 AM
As is usual with me, I had this conversation telepathically around 2:30 am (3-14-06) early this morning in my head with many of you. It involved some of the members here on this thread and also some over at Bob Marks forum on the same subject. By the time I get this out many of you will be convinced that I have some form of 'mental illness'! :lol

Not at all, Lapis! I'm curious now...was I somehow involved in this telepathic communication? This is a subject that has profoundly influenced my life, so I believe there is a good chance that my subconscious may have connected with you.

Astrologically I feel that the AIR signs (and their Rulers) in general - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius - are more prone to mental (air) imbalances and illness just like they can also access levels of mental genious. Sorry but stupid people just don't usually come down with 'mental illness', just the opposite it seems, which puts a different spin on many (but not all) forms of mental illness.

It came up that Capricorns are often mentally ill. As a Cap all I can say is.......try living with Saturn 24/7/365 and yes, at times you'll head straight towards serious depression. If not careful Capricorn/Saturn (Cancer/Moon) can manifest as agoraphobia even. Saturn so self imprisons, so self restricts, that it can morph into not being able to physically move and/or physically leave the house (Cancer). EACH SIGN manifests it's own type of fears and imbalances that taken to an extreme, can become one of many different types of mental illness.

My Aquarius Rising thanks you for disregarding political correctness and getting straight to the point! This explains so much...I have an Air Ascendent and a stellium of outer planets in Capricorn in my twelfth house (including Saturn), and I have had several serious battles with depression in my lifetime. Dear God, the sychronicity with the most recent posts on this forum is AMAZING! I need some time to reflect upon this situation before its meaning eludes me.

Aquarian Maverick

glykeria
03-15-2006, 01:51 AM
I know Lapis had that conversation with me because this has been in my mind for about a day or so. I asked the question because I do really know I am not crazy I am a very grounded person I am a fixed sign a "Super Taurus" so to speak and I do have somewhat of a problem with mental Illness and always did. The problem I have is with a weak mind I have some kind of disdain for persons weak of mind, Now as a nurse I realize or I was taught to realize that schizophrenia, bipolar, depression and such are actually "illnesses" chemical imbalances with symptoms that can be controlled through medications but even as a student nurse many years ago I very much disliked the clinical rotation in the psych unit. Back to my question or why I asked the question my husbands father had a mental illness although never officially diagnosed it was very apparent. I was wondering if my husband is predisposed if something may be obvious in his chart or if I may be a catalyst so to speak to him. Kind of like he may be on a slow burn but when I am added he has the potential for a 5-alarm fire. What do ya see.
Glykeria

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 01:58 AM
I don't believe that having a mental illness makes a person crazy...I know several individuals with anxiety disorders and such who are able to function as valuable members of society. Sometimes, you never suspect a thing and may be quite shocked when a friend reveals their inner difficulties in a moment of true honesty.

And as for mental illness being the result of a weak mind...again I disagree. Effectively dealing with the demands of this physical reality may be a challenge to such individuals, but as Lapis said, many of them have their intellect very much intact.

Aquarian Maverick

Lapis
03-15-2006, 02:01 AM
Aquarian Maverick,

Hi and yes, you were involved with my mental telepathic group discussion this morning. When this happens to me its just as it is physically. I just oftentimes experience it before it reaches this physical realm! Sounds fun or exciting but actually its frustrating as all hell sometimes. In many cases I get to live through one thing maybe 3 times! By the time I connect with it finally in physicality, I'm all done with it...... :? Weird I know but there it is.

Thank you for saying what you did. I needed to hear that. Far too often I do my Libra thing and tone down what I really want to say so I don't come across as a complete pain in the beeeehind! Only a partical one :P

I've know some very high IQ Aquarian's and Gemini's who flew SO high mentally, SO fast and were SO talented in many ways, and yet they are not emotionally integrated at all! They have tremendous knowledge but little wisdom. Leo is opposite Aquarius and vise versa for a reason! :wink: As is Capricorn/Saturn and Cancer/Moon. They're huge insights when we remember to look at our astrological hot spots using the opposite sign/planet archetypes. We get a much larger view of it all.

When the time is right the insights come flooding in and we wonder how we never saw that before! They're layers and layer to this process but I'm so happy that I didn't offend. Rock On A.M. :wink:

glykeria
03-15-2006, 02:07 AM
What makes anyone crazy?? It can differ by culture what we may see as crazy in the USA may not be in any other country. anxiety disorders are kind of the norm nowadays I personally don't think of that as a mental illness just societal pressures to do more and more in an already over abundant world. Pressure is different from an actual disease of the mind falling into such a deep depression then emerging only to be manic for days and not sleep. Paranoia so bad that everything is a conspiracy and every little act is done or preceived as a direct threat against you. Those IMO are real mental illnesses, my take on it only.
Glykeria

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 02:18 AM
Thank you for saying what you did. I needed to hear that. Far too often I do my Libra thing and tone down what I really want to say so I don't come across as a complete pain in the beeeehind! Only a partical one

Well then, who better to balance out your Libran energies than an individual with an Aries stellium :D

I've know some very high IQ Aquarian's and Gemini's who flew SO high mentally, SO fast and were SO talented in many ways, and yet they are not emotionally integrated at all! They have tremendous knowledge but little wisdom. Leo is opposite Aquarius and vise versa for a reason! As is Capricorn/Saturn and Cancer/Moon. They're huge insights when we remember to look at our astrological hot spots using the opposite sign/planet archetypes. We get a much larger view of it all.

I was informed that I had a 132 IQ the two different times I was tested...not an amazing score, but pretty darn good, I think. Especially since I tended to lose points for working slowly and deliberately rechecking my answers :roll:

And yes, I suppose you can say that I am not as emotionally integrated as I could be...oh well.

EDIT: Point taken, Glykeria :wink:

Aquarian Maverick

glykeria
03-15-2006, 02:23 AM
I have a problem with weakness period, I am working on it :oops: . I see many problems in my life and mental illness is one that I will never understand, chemical imbalance, maybe, weak mind, possible, horrible childhood experience I am not sure what makes a person "crazy" Can people with mental illness be functioning productive members of society sure. All I wanted to know was if it can be seen in a chart?
Glykeria

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 02:51 AM
I have a problem with weakness period, I am working on it .

So do I...now try to imagine how difficult it would be to be aware of your weakness, to loathe yourself for it, and to continually succumb to deeper levels of despair because you just don't give a **** anymore. Everyone around you thinks you're crazy, and after years of unsuccessful therapy and medication, you slowly begin to accept this as truth and thus create your own reality--your own intrapersonal hell. This is the only type of life you have known, and any semblance of happiness eludes you like the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I have been there. I know.

You may argue with good reason that this is unrelated to your original question, yet I firmly believe that the answers you seek will appear once you begin to understand the nature of mental illness. As much as I would love to indulge my Virgo South Node by investing my energies into some particular aspect or planetary configuration, believing it to be the answer to your inquiries and well as my own, I know better. If I have learned anything from my life experience, it is that psychological problems are indicators of a deeper issue--perhaps with soul. Medical studies may prove there to be chemical imbalances involved, but as divine beings we have access to unlimited abundance and perfect health. So how did the chemical imbalances come to be in the first place? I am not sure, but I know this--when we discover how to accept and maintaining our natural state of wellbeing, the world will be a much better place.

But in the mean time, we must first learn to live with ourselves and each other.

Aquarian Maverick

glykeria
03-15-2006, 03:34 AM
Ok Now as off topic as we became, I understand mental illness I just have a problem with it. My original question..... can it be in a chart and if another chart is synergistic with the first can it be magnified. I may have soul searching issues but depression anxiety or the such is something that I have never experienced personally not the depression that you speak of. I have been depressed at times but not anything I could not shake off by a long walk or a shopping spree. I have a stong will and have overcome many obstacles in life by the sheer force within me, I feel for the persons with anxiety problems, and depression but I cannot understand it. Life is amazing we are all blessed to be here on this incredible planet feeling the warmth of the sun, the rain the ocean and all else that the world has to offer and IMO alone I will never understand why someone would come into this world and waste the time here.
sorry if I hit a hot topic with you. I just had a question :oops:
Glykeria

Kite
03-15-2006, 03:56 AM
Funny - this afternoon I was having a conversation with myself about insanity trying to define it. Having contemplated potentially living in an insane time in a past life (Nazi Germany in 1940s), I thought that in those days to deviate from the common collective march could label one insane. And if one wanted to prevent insanity due to a traumatic experience with this type of climate, it would stand to reason that it would require tremendous conformance to the mass mind or the abilty to play along with it to survive.

Yet the mass mind as we understand it in the Piscean age is one built on and driven by duality. Good vs. Bad, Right vs. Left, Rich vs. Poor, White vs. Color and so on. I remember a time when I was young that I did not live in this mass mind. I felt a unity of consciousness where all was appropriate. I personally mark the end of this time with the Kennedy assination. The collective mass swallowed my up and I was never the same.

I tapped into this feeling of unity consciousness that I believe people would call the Christ Consciousness again at Chiron's first square. I was in Israel at the place the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. I know I was meant to feel this to understand the expanded consciousness that would be manifested on earth in the future. I also knew that it would be difficult if not impossible to co-exist with the mass mind.

I think this is where the mental illness lies in this shift. As duality begins to give way to a more unified consciousness, balances are changed. Going from one extreme to another seems likely for people so enmeshed in black and white polarities. I've spent many years working through these polarities to find the center. I'm still working through this and still wrestle with depression, anxiety and etheric sensitivity. I feel what others feel and the more open I get the more absorbant I get. That's cause for balance problems as well.

It won't be easy and I don't think anyone is totally immune. But I do trust in this process of shift and feel what we need will be given to us.

Kite

Lapis
03-15-2006, 04:06 AM
glykeria,

I just read your above post and I think you answered your own question! You said that personally you've never experienced any type of deep inner depression or anxiety etc. (be very glad!) and because of this you have trouble understanding it. Now, add your personal situation with your husband and his father and that's how and where you are learning about it up close and personal.

I mentioned on another forum about how I don't use drugs or drink because I just can't being so sensitive. But many, many, people I love are drug addicts and so my learning about this issue has been through them. And another aspect of some drug addictions is the resulting mental illness it produces. Like Aquarian Maverick said, which of these problems came first? That's the real question to all of this I feel. Personally I believe that the REAL problem is - my term here - "Emotional Illness"!!! And out of this primary emotional stuff, we can eventually become chemically imbalanced which can manifest as different 'mental illnesses', drug addictions or any number of other 'addictions'. Bottom line is emotions with all of us.

Light
03-15-2006, 04:35 AM
Glyk

The problem I have is with a weak mind I have some kind of disdain for persons weak of mind,

Depression and mental illness is not a weak mind. Is a broken leg, a weak leg? People with mental illnesses are no more weak than people with illnessess you can see.

I have a stong will and have overcome many obstacles in life by the sheer force within me, I feel for the persons with anxiety problems, and depression but I cannot understand it.

It takes a stonger will to face the dark depths of depression and to climb out the other side, as anyone who suffers will tell you. It's not something you choose, neither is it something you can brush off with a quick trip to the shopping mall. It's more a sensory overload v sensory shut down, and it is not to be taken lightly.

I agree that the number of prescriptions for antidepressants are on the increase, but don't you think that's because of todays's culture? Too fast, too easy - I want it now, now, NOW. the pace of life is too fast, there are too many expectations. (Another thing you'll find with peopel with alternatively wired minds, is that they set unbelievably high standards for themselves.) Its all too easy for a GP to precribe a handful of pills, when really you need emotional nurturing. I agree with Lapis, it all boils down to emotion. (There was a thread on this here on one of these boards the other day - I can't find it now. Did anyone see it? All about slowing down and emotions?)

Life is amazing we are all blessed to be here on this incredible planet feeling the warmth of the sun, the rain the ocean and all else that the world has to offer and IMO alone I will never understand why someone would come into this world and waste the time here

yes, the world is incredible - but the world works on polarities.

Be very glad you're not a sufferer - but learn form those who are. You might save yourself some pain, next time around.

take care

hel

PS yes - you have pushed buttons. :wink:

glykeria
03-15-2006, 05:31 AM
:D Hello
Weak mind? Broken leg? Two obviously different things is one different than the other? Depends on the illness. When I said weak minds I was speaking of all the so called anxieties yes it seems almost fashionable to be on zoloft, buspar, seroquil, ativan, risperidal or the hordes of others that the American public gobble up as a cure all for not addressing the problems of everyday life. Mental illness eating disorders schizophrenia, manic depression those are valid problems that I agree cannot be shruggred off with a trip to a mall, I am a human being and have had my share of depressive issues in this life I just refused to let it get the best of me. I certainly did not mean to push the wrong buttons. I am at a point/place in my life that brings me to question everything, I don't sleep well get up all through the night but I don't go blaming a mental disorder and request ambien/restoril to get me through it. I and again by my STRONG WILL plod through looking for the real answers that is what led me to this fourm in the first place. I must say again Hel :) SORRY

Lap You may be right I may need to experience this side of mental illness, to marry into a family with a Paronoid Schizophrenic. My father-in-law was indeed hard to handle. My original questions once again is if it was indicated in a chart, thus my husbands chart appears above. Since he has a family history I am worried that it may appear, I also worry for my children. I think I must of been "emotionally Ill" my last time around as I really really cannot be around a person with that type of disease for very long. Lets say it drives me NUTS :wink: Am I extra sensitive because of that? I am working through it all I am working my life and still searching for answers.
Kite
yes the world is not black and white and it is a struggle to find the in between. I can and do always see both sides of a situation I also am highly empathetic to the human condition, more so as of late. It is a world of polarities and I know we need a balance. Yin Yang male female heck Up Down. You may be right as we become more open to the world to the emotions flying all around it may be harder for some to handle it so they mediCate instead of mediTate. I am learning and I learn everyday on this fourm from all of you aware people.
Glykeria :)

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 02:10 PM
I am aware of your original question, but sometimes the opportunity for discussion presents itself with such force that it cannot be ignored. Even if an advanced astrologer took the time to analyze your husband's natal chart, what would you gain from the experience? It would most likely be verification of what you already know, and even if it was not, I highly doubt any individual could convince you there are no astrological signs that point to your husband's condition.

Because I respect your opinion, I will try to veer more in the direction of your original question, but I honestly don't believe that this discussion has been "off-topic"--expanding upon the question, maybe, but not totally disregarding it.

EDIT:

I am a human being and have had my share of depressive issues in this life I just refused to let it get the best of me...I am at a point/place in my life that brings me to question everything, I don't sleep well get up all through the night but I don't go blaming a mental disorder and request ambien/restoril to get me through it. I and again by my STRONG WILL plod through looking for the real answers that is what led me to this fourm in the first place.

I believe you may be mistaking the nature of these medications; they are not meant to be a "quick fix" to any mental illness, but rather provide temporarily relief until a person is in better control of their mental facilities so that they may begin the process of tackling their inner demons. As a nurse, you should be aware that time is needed to heal all kinds of wounds...medicine simply helps to "take the edge off," so an individual is less likely to make a rash, desperate decision to end their pain. As much as I detest the current trend and increased popularity of pyschiatric medication, I believe it has saved many lives.

Aquarian Maverick

Kite
03-15-2006, 03:37 PM
So are we crazy to be married or is that just my imagination????
Glykeria

Welll looking at your Davison chart, I would have to say that you two are going through some significant changes.

Your Davison chart isn't easy to begin with as you have a fixed grand cross with Venus opposing Saturn and Mars opposing Neptune. I want to say passive aggressive relating and withholding of affection methods of control. Not sure we could characterize this as a mental illness though - just patterns of behavior that seem to correlates already existing patterns.

The challenge I see right now is that you have another opposition in your Davison chart between the Sun in 26 Sag conjuncting the cusp of the 6th house and Moon in 26 Gemini conjuncting the cusp of the 12th house. The Sun/Moon opposition generally would create a sense of attractio/repulsion as each other views the other side of themselves in the other person. He would mirror your inner male and you would mirror his inner female. The idea is by mirroring each other you can potentially integrate more of yourselves into wholeness. The problem with this is that mirrors can turn into smoke and mirrors and each other can end up projecting their own shadows onto the other.

Right now our favorite planet to dig up shadows - Pluto is conjuncting your Davison Sun and opposing the Moon. Your Davison Lilith is also being squared by this in the 9th house filling out a t-square with Lilith at the apex in Virgo. This a very strong transit in that you two are coming to terms to understand the real basis of your relationship. What makes it tick and what makes it stick or not. There is a modifier to the t-square where energy can be released and that's through a trine from the Moon and a sextile from the Sun to Uranus in your 7th house of marriage.

This tells me that if you are going to stay together you will be making big changes within your marriage to give each of you more freedom to be yourselves (Uranus in Leo) This is reinforced by the transit of Uranus to another opposition you have in your Davison - Your Jupiter conjunct Chrion in Pisces in 2 opposition Pluto in Virgo in 8. Mercury squares this opposition as well forming another t-square with Mercury at the Apex in Gemini in the 5th house.

There is a strong drive to freedom in these transits. Your Davison chart has so many dynamics in it it's difficult to put it all together so I want to focus on the two t-square ploratiy points to see potentially how they might be balanced.

First the Lilith apex at 26 Virgo finds it's polarity point at 26 Pisces in the 2nd house. If you feel like a wild woman right now Lilith is being activated by this Pluto transit as well (suggest you check out the Lilith thread for more insight). The Sabian for 26 Picses reads:

356__(26)
TWO RAPT LOVERS AND A PHILOSOPHER WATCH THE NEW MOON Polyphony of values as man lives at various levels of consciousness. Inner call to realization. Transmutation of meaning.
___*When positive, the degree is a thoroughgoing capitalization on life's transitions and an effective development of every emerging potentiality of self, and when negative, a completely disruptive vacillation.

The 2nd house is the house of values and Sun/Moon would certainly bring you to want to questions of meaning.

The other t-square is with Mercury at the apex at 12 Gemini in 5. The polarity point is 12 Sag in the 11th house which represents hopes and wishes. Sabian 12 Sag reads:

252__(12)
A FLAG BECOMES AN EAGLE; THE EAGLE A PROUD CHANTICLEER Development of consciousness from abstract to concrete, from general to personal. Mounting mastery. Extreme good fortune.
___*When positive, the degree is successful self-establishment through genuine self-expression, and when negative, idle prejudices and unsubstantiated claims.

The position of your Sun/Moon across the cusps of 6 and 12 could show this projection of health, sickness, illness etc. I would caution any judgments in this area as they could very well be projections of the shadows within that should be working now to come to light.

Kite

glykeria
03-15-2006, 05:36 PM
:D hello again
Aqarian Mav, Any subject that can promote conversation and knowledge even it veers slightly from the original question is a worthy subject to explore. As for medications I am not against them but I believe that instead of masking the problem, the original problem that produced the symptoms in the first place a person needs to try other methods first they need to not go for the quick fix that has become the American way. Mental Illness is something that I fear. I fear it because of my experience with it in this life and possibly in a prior incarnation. I also respect your opinions and in the short time I have been on this fourm have learned from you. I am learning. My original idea for this question, I am now sure was formed out of fear and out of my need to explore everything in my life including a solid marriage. I am fearful. I am discovering parts of myself that I never knew. I am fearful that I am insane to be experiencing all that I am. I am learning.
Glykeria :?:

Lapis
03-15-2006, 09:49 PM
glykeria,

I totally understand and agree with you about how humanity is instantly handed a perscription for 'meds' so that they don't have to deal with their own emotions and feelings!!! The trick is you gotta ask why? Why are we so supported to avoid our emotions? Who benefits from our not "dealing and healing"?

Those who want us to remain weak and disimpowered. Sorry, I'll spare you and everyone else my little rant about this. We've pushed you're thread all over the place already. :roll:

You said that you fear mental illness because of what you've had to deal with already in this life and possibly also from a past life. This really struck me because I can relate. For many years I too feared mental illness. Years later I was to experience it through loved ones, so maybe I was sensing this coming and it made me fearful. The other reason was in a past life I did become terribly unbalanced mentally because I tried to carry more than I should have, energy wise I mean. Long story......

Point is that we have to look at why we fear something and then deal with that 'thing' as best as we can. The fear is usually a distortion of something else. You said...."I am fearful that I am insane to be experiencing all that I am." Of course I'm curious about what you've been experiencing thats making you feel this way! If you feel like sharing this I think we can help you figure out what's going on with you. If you don't want to share any of this, I certainly understand. I just feel for you.

Light
03-15-2006, 10:54 PM
Glyk

I'm sorry for ranting :oops: :D , but I get so mad when people tell those with mental illnessess to get their act together - but it's often not comething one can do. Ok, those who just have the downs, may be able to - but the deep dark depressions? No way. Then help is required. Perhaps reframing and seeing things in a different perspective is better than medication. But the medication helps to be able to see that a different perspective is possible. Then there is, usually, no need for medication - the tools have been given. I guess, I'm the opposite of you? :D

But the meds are all too eager to dish out. I think the reason more and more people are bneeding them is because of our lifestyles. We are now a 24/7 environment. Often separated from families and support networks. Chemically bombarded from all directions. Seasonally maladjusted - we can go anywhere/eat anything at any time of the year. The birds tweet in the trees at all hours because of the light pollution. Have you ever been woken up at 2 in the morning in winter to hear the pseudo dawn chorus? We're being ?????? :evil:

On another note - the meds are all to eager to medicate little children, too. The ventolin at the slightest sneeze, over activity labels. Why?? Why are they doing this to us? Is it, perhaps, despite being medically advanced, humans have evolved faster? Medical science has advanced to the horse, but people (phsyically) are in fast cars? Two jumps ahead? The cars may look like horses, but they're turbo powered? :wink:

I would like to be able to help you. Somehow?

I think I can now understand you. :?

Take care

hel

Arian Maverick
03-15-2006, 11:03 PM
Glykeria's Natal Chart (Equal House System):

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/517/sequalhousechart8vk.th.png (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sequalhousechart8vk.png)

I hope this helps, hel! :D

Aquarian Maverick

Frisiangal
03-15-2006, 11:05 PM
:[quote]As for medications I am not against them but I believe that instead of masking the problem, the original problem that produced the symptoms in the first place a person needs to try other methods first they need to not go for the quick fix that has become the American way.

Hi Glykeria,
You have just stated the message behind medical astrology; that physical dis-ease is psychosomatic...psyche/emotionally related. That said, the inherent mental dis-ease of the mind cannot be compared to dis-ease that is pressure or stress related over a period of time.
With your medical knowledge, in an area that is becoming insignificant compared to other areas of astrology, you could do so much in promoting the astrology of health once you are initiated into its rites :)

Mental Illness is something that I fear. I fear it because of my experience with it in this life and possibly in a prior incarnation.

I have no recollection of previous lives but I know EXACTLY how you feel in this one, seeing as a dear mother-in-law spent 35 years in a psychiatric hospital after a suicide attempt. One evening, returning home after a visit to the open psychiatric ward, I felt this acute fear suddenly envelop and engulf me. I lost total control over myself. Like you I thought I was on the verge of madness. What it was, was that my sound, stable-minded Mercury in Taurus, just like you have, and probably a bit of my Saturn in Gemini, couldn't understand and was therefore unable to empathise with what it is like not to have, or to lose, that control over one's mind. Like you appear to be undergoing, I was also dealing with pressure-related issues at the time. With so much on my mind, it was temporarily out of synch. and I just couldn't take in any more *invasion*, as it were, especially regarding someone loved who could not be helped.
Medication helped to calm me down until my 'sound reasoning' returned. The fear of being mentally ill was with me for quite a while until a dear to-the-point Virgo friend said, "People who think they are going insane only think it; if they were, they wouldn't be thinking it :wink: The logic helped. :); the experience opened my mind and has remained with me.

My original idea for this question, I am now sure was formed out of fear and out of my need to explore everything in my life including a solid marriage. I am fearful. I am discovering parts of myself that I never knew. I am fearful that I am insane to be experiencing all that I am. I am learning.
Glykeria :?:

If you look at your chart, your 'stabiliser', in the form of Saturn, is under the influence of Mercury's retrograde in Pisces and the long term challenge from Pluto. Mercury-Pluto can make one become paranoid...I've been there, too :).... but, luckily, it is ony a temporary aspect for you. Once Mercury is into Aries, the phase will pass. You have a well-aspected Mercury in Taurus. You have a stable mind. But get a bee in your bonnet and you can be p-r-e-t-t-y stubborn about what you think is so. By looking at the Taurean facts, you will also see that they show otherwise. You have, like I went through, lost your grip on reality for a while, but that does not mean you are becoming mentally ill. Saturn in intangible Pisces is rather like a dome or shield that protects you from infiltratiing influences that the 'super Taurus' tangible world is not yet ready to handle. It's as if the shield is temporarily out of order,which is allowing Pluto ( your unconscious) to work on all your unresolved inner fantasies and issues that you fear might be true. For instance, if you live with a fear of abandonment, as a result of something from the past, or losing everything you have worked so hard to achieve, or feel guilty about turning away from the church and the devilish reprisals that could happen, these fears can lose all sense of proportion during this period. Your nerves are working overtime! I learnt from another group a few years back that F-E-A-R is False Evidence Appearing Real.

It's very easy to say 'calm down' but this *is* what you need to do. Uranus, the bringer of change, has been aspecting your Mercury...your common sense....and you are beginning to see things in an entirely different light. Your 'antenna' are reaching out beyond the mundane world of Taurus, yet you may be holding back from the change you feel and know is coming. In order to pick up the signals you have to be prepared to alter an old pattern of thought. Unfortunately, we Taureans can't be rushed, so go sit by the calm of a water's edge, surrender your fears, and clear your mind. It works, I can assure you :wink:

F.

glykeria
03-16-2006, 01:53 AM
:D Friends
I first wish to say that it was never my intention to offend. I am a student of astrology and life for that reason I am here to learn.

Kite,
Thank you for looking at the relationship chart for me. I know I am evolving and I do feel kind of wild Go LILTH GO. I am sure we will be together the heart wants what it wants. We have been together many years and I am connected to his soul I love him. I was concerned as you may have read about any visable signs of mental illness in his chart or if when the 2 charts were together did they indicate that. (I thought I may be his catalyst) Passive aggressive is a personality flaw that is just him. Thanks for the insights your interpertations are easy to understand and easy for me to see myself when I am attempting to read the chart but only after you have pointed them out for me.

Lapis :)
Why, Why, Why??
That is always the question. I know emotions are painful and ugly and messy but we need to DEAL and not make the pharmaceutical companies richer. I agree that there is a push to mask our emotions, IMO if we really wake up and see what s wrong with the world a real change could be made and the powers that be would not be lining there pockets. (Rambling Again) :oops:
My father-in-law was schizophrenic functional and sucessful to the outside world. Those of us that were close to his insanity knew the suffering he was in. This man never took any medications for his disorder. I have always feared not being in control of my mind. I do not suffer mental disorders very well. I have a sense that prior to this life I may have been in a institution of some sort. Who knows, although I am going to try some regression soon. I need to gear up to it so to speak.
Ok.... Why am I so fearful what am I experiencing, and I did go to Sunfell site but I am still learning/transforming. This is what is going on---- I wish the world was quiet, everything is too LOUD, I sleep very few hours often waking with my mind racing and yes I want to take a sleeper I need rest, but I also want my mind to harness those thoughts and see what happens. My usual goal oriented focused mind has problems concentrating, I am making lists for everything, and I mean everything. :? It gets stranger at least for me I have always lives, functioned focused in a concrete realm. So this new awareness is very intense. It is not just one thing it is everything. I have way too much static electricity in my world :D does that make sense. No CRACKS ABOUT MY SANITY ANYONE LOL. Now Lap you told me about the Uranus Opposition I know or am learning about the Indigos and Now I am waiting.
Hel :wink:
rant away I agree whole heartedly that everyone is to eager to try a medication instead of addressing the root of the problem. Indeed what are they going to do to us, keep us asleep, asleep and unaware just going with the flow. I think more people should not go with the flow, a little anxiety or depression may be something that we should experience in order to grow if we as a society precieve it as the "norm" to surpress some natural and often times needed feelings we will never grow as we are intended to do. If someone is totally unable to function then they should definently seek medical help. I am glad that so many responed to this thread and that you all are indeed awake.
Glykeria

Kite
03-16-2006, 02:11 AM
I have way too much static electricity in my world does that make sense.

Yeah - makes perfect sense and if you would have read one of the other threads I felt crazy asking the same question and found Lapis had the static electricity problem too. My cats were really get PO'd about it!

OK ..I need to weigh in on the medication thing. Last year I was diagnosed as a Type 2 diabetic. I am not insulin dependant but I do give myself injections of a new drug called Byetta that helps manage the blood sugar along with some other medication I take. I also am on an anti-depressant called Cymbalta as it helps also with Neurapathy - which is pain that can effect diabetics. But the initial reason I went on the anti-depressants last year was to control panic attacks and emotional irritability that was pretty bad - this too was probably related to the diabetes.

Now those of you who think that one automatically turns into a Stepford Wife or Husband (I'm a man for those that don't know), forget about it. There are some side-effects but I find them to be mild and tolerable and I see no impact on my ability to feel my emotions and grow spiritually.

Are their walking Prozac/Zoloft zombies out there - you bet. I think these people may be receiving too much dosage and are not working thru their issues. Doctors just keep upping their dosages when they seem depressed again.

I don't think these medications are good just on their own but I think a mild medication along with the hard work of processing the work at hand can be a successful combination of approaches. You can also try some of the herbal alternatives such as SAMe and St. Wort. I take Valarian at night to relax and actually received this information in my dream state. In fact a few years ago I received the chemical name of new anti-depressant to help me at the time my father died and I was having panic attack then.

I really think this is a gray area even though Tom Cruise would argue differently.

Kite

Arian Maverick
03-16-2006, 02:14 AM
I really think this is a gray area even though Tom Cruise would argue differently.

Yes, Tom Cruise...I won't even begin to rant about him :evil:

Aquarian Maverick

Light
03-16-2006, 03:28 AM
Glyk


I just realised what you're going through :D :D You're only a gnats younger than me. :wink: I doesn't last that long - about 3 years in total! :evil: There's a bit of respite in between, though. So don't get too disheartened. :P

Your being uranified and neptune is waving his trident - getting ready to prod!

It's how I got into Astrology - well, that and a havey book falling on me in the shop! :oops: But that's another thread.

At least your Uranus is not going through the 4th - no electrical items to replace!

take care

RELAX

hel

PS - thanks Aqua Mav

Lapis
03-16-2006, 10:47 PM
Lapis :)

Ok.... Why am I so fearful what am I experiencing, and I did go to Sunfell site but I am still learning/transforming. This is what is going on---- I wish the world was quiet, everything is too LOUD, I sleep very few hours often waking with my mind racing and yes I want to take a sleeper I need rest, but I also want my mind to harness those thoughts and see what happens. My usual goal oriented focused mind has problems concentrating, I am making lists for everything, and I mean everything. :? It gets stranger at least for me I have always lives, functioned focused in a concrete realm. So this new awareness is very intense. It is not just one thing it is everything. I have way too much static electricity in my world :D does that make sense. No CRACKS ABOUT MY SANITY ANYONE LOL. Now Lap you told me about the Uranus Opposition I know or am learning about the Indigos and Now I am waiting.


glykeria,

After I read this I'm certain that you're getting blasted by:
1) Your Uranus Opposition transformational Energies (my memory *****, forgive me)

2) All the other Cosmic and Galactic energies blasting (transforming) you at the same time! :o

3) You may also be entering, with the help of Uranus Opposition, what Sunfell and others call "transiting to Crystal or Octarine". Personally I feel that many of the planetary transits trigger these other deeper level transformations in some people like Wanderers and Indigos and Lightworkers etc.

OK, about the static electricity problem. I've dealt with this my whole life, it's just much worse now. I've never been able to wear a watch because of it. In the 1980's when I used to give both natal chart interpretations and/or 'psychic' readings, my hair would build up with static while I was doing the 'readings'. IOW's while I was speeding up my inner energies so I could enter an altered state to do the 'reading', this caused my hair to build up static until it stuck out all over! :oops: Today, I don't have to do anything and my hair will suddenly be sticking out from static electricity. It can be raining and this still happens.

Many times when I go out to the grocery store or Wal-Mart :| to shop, I have to wear ear plugs because, like you said, it's too LOUD in most places. It actually hurts physically but it also makes me feel like I'm going to loose my mind! The energies and the people and the **** and the noise and the toxic chemicals that are made so much worse when they turn the heaters on........so many things. Negative, lower vibrational energies, will effect you in totally different ways both physically, mentally, emotionally, and psychically now that you've transitioned up to another higher energy level within yourself. Many of us are having to learn how to function now with our 'new' energetic selves and awareness.

You mentioned your Taurus and how earthy and grounded it's helped you to be. I'm a Capricorn which is another earth sign too. Cap is my anchor, it helps keep me in this realm and connected. I feel for you and all the others on these forums here who are also dealing with these mega new energy learnings. Water always helps to ground the extra electricity in your body and gives you a break for awhile. Also drink lots of pure water to help on the inside. Walk barefoot and/or lay on the ground in the grass etc. outside in the sunlight and give the extra that you just can't handle back to the Mother Earth. Uranus Opposition for many people is a HUGE Initiation into the next phase of your life, and it can get a bit crazy sometimes. Hang on and ride the Light-ening Bolts as best you can. You'll be a new and improved version of yourself on the other side of this transit! :wink:

Natasha
03-19-2006, 05:51 AM
Your chart indicates potential to be quite intuitive & emphathize with others. Are you working in a helping & caring profession eg nurse etc. You could have the potential to do so.
Alternatively (or as well) you could have potential to be very creative and artistic.
The Neptune Pisces 12th house energy is quite strong & to use it in a empowering for yourself way would be positive for you.

Odette
04-03-2006, 04:47 AM
Regarding mental illness in a chart. Having walked that path myself in my saturn return (saturn in Aqu in 12th house) An aries riddled with pisces and a cappi moon.........not sure the sighns define where your heads at....?? In working with sensitive people I have found that although the mind is all over the place crossing between this world and the next....its the spirit and the body connection that appears more imbalanced..eg. The spirit is not fully embodied nor anchored in the physical psychi........and from that the mind is loose and cannot stay stable and connected to the earth body. I have looked at peoples charts (no im not a proffesional at it!) and although I have yet to see anything obvious.....the placements of the planets in the houses do give some indication....12th house (the unseen, the uncatchable) And pluto certianly creates a dark learning storm depending on where it sit's ...certianly kicked me in between the worlds!. The ability to be a witness to your otherworldly encounters indicates a centred mind.....so maybe the word 'weak'.....is better said as a 'mind without boundaries' not weak, just not contained... have a look at my website and see if you identify with this way of looking at SENSTIVE/ACUTELY SENSITIVE PEOPLE. ps my chart is ever availabe if someone wants to pick it apart..29/3/1962/3.20am Syd Aust.
.www.sensitiveservicesinternational.com

glad I found your website. Blessings :) Odette

Arian Maverick
04-03-2006, 04:28 PM
I have read someplace that yod configurations may be associated with obsessive compulsive disorder, and I have no difficulty believing this as I have Mars (action) and Pluto (control) as the apex planets of two of my yods! :lol:

Arian Maverick

westwind9
02-02-2011, 12:09 PM
it was said that--Astrologically I feel that the AIR signs (and their Rulers) in general - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius - are more prone to mental (air) imbalances and illness just like they can also access levels of mental genious. Sorry but stupid people just don't usually come down with 'mental illness', just the opposite it seems, which puts a different spin on many (but not all) forms of mental illness.--
and I have to disagree, as a mental health therapist for the past 18 years, I have seen some really "stupid" (to use your word) people. of all astrological signs. AND when you blanket say "mental illness" what specifically are you referring to? bipolar, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, OCD, parnoia, dissociate disorder (known as split personality to some of you) or the PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder caused by exposure to major trauma) or are you referring to the axis 2 disorders? the personality disorders known as Borderline, anti social, etc?..... knowning which mental illness you are referring to might clear up what astrological sign your need to referr to!