The Part of Increase & Benefits and the Part of Luck in Play: Gambling

piercethevale

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Howdy. Recently I noticed that at a certain time of the day at this time of year that my natal Part of Increase and Benefits would be conjunct the M.C, locally, at the same time my natal Part of Luck would be conjunct the Descendant, locally.

I cast charts for the two nearest casinos and adjusted the time as necessary for their exact geographical coordinates.

I found it to be exactly a three minute window at the nearby Redhawk casino in Shingle Springs.

I arrived there ahead of time...it was early in the morning on a weekday so I pretty much had my choice of gaming unobstructed.
I chose the Fifty times poker hands, video poker machine, at one cent a bet that has a "Times Pay" feature if you bet the maximum of six cents a hand. the most one can bet on that particular machine is three dollars if one plays all fifty hands.

I play a method of "X" amount of hands for the first few bets, then double the number of hands and then add "X" amount of hands for so many bets and repeat this process until I'm playing all fifty hands.

I won just shy of a hundred dollars in that three minute period.

My natal Part of Increase & Benefits (Asc. + Jupiter - Sun) is located at 00* Sagittarius 20' 24"

My natal Part of Luck ( Asc. + Moon - Jupiter) is located at 11* Leo 48' 54"

Here's the charts.

For the start of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018.png


And for the end of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018_end.png


Winner, winner, chicken dinner.:biggrin:
 

JUPITERASC

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Howdy. Recently I noticed that at a certain time of the day at this time of year that my natal Part of Increase and Benefits would be conjunct the M.C, locally, at the same time my natal Part of Luck would be conjunct the Descendant, locally.

I cast charts for the two nearest casinos and adjusted the time as necessary for their exact geographical coordinates.

I found it to be exactly a three minute window at the nearby Redhawk casino in Shingle Springs.

I arrived there ahead of time...it was early in the morning on a weekday so I pretty much had my choice of gaming unobstructed.
I chose the Fifty times poker hands, video poker machine, at one cent a bet that has a "Times Pay" feature if you bet the maximum of six cents a hand. the most one can bet on that particular machine is three dollars if one plays all fifty hands.

I play a method of "X" amount of hands for the first few bets, then double the number of hands and then add "X" amount of hands for so many bets and repeat this process until I'm playing all fifty hands.

I won just shy of a hundred dollars in that three minute period.

My natal Part of Increase & Benefits (Asc. + Jupiter - Sun) is located at 00* Sagittarius 20' 24"

My natal Part of Luck ( Asc. + Moon - Jupiter) is located at 11* Leo 48' 54"

Here's the charts.

For the start of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018.png


And for the end of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018_end.png


Winner, winner, chicken dinner.:biggrin:
Well done mon ami :smile:
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
Recall that the Desc. is the "WHERE-TO" and in this instance that was "LUCK" and that the M.C. in a mundane sense is "WHY" and in this instance that was for "INCREASE & BENEFITS".

IT DOES WORK LIKE THAT..
Q.E.D.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Recall that the Desc. is the "WHERE-TO" and in this instance that was "LUCK"
and that the M.C. in a mundane sense is "WHY"
and in this instance that was for "INCREASE & BENEFITS".

IT DOES WORK LIKE THAT..
Q.E.D.
More to it than that - would be interesting to view a bi-wheel
of the event compared with your natal
preferably a sidereal version
Unfortunately we have no sidereal board :smile:
so although sidereal astrology is a popular topic on our forum
it flies under the radar mostly
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
More to it than that - would be interesting to view a bi-wheel
of the event compared with your natal
preferably a sidereal version
Unfortunately we have no sidereal board :smile:
so although sidereal astrology is a popular topic on our forum
it flies under the radar mostly

It does seem that there was more to it than that. I tried it again and lost my a$$.

I'll get around to posting my own chart here along with that of a progressed natal for the day soon... got other things on my plate that are more pressing presently.
Respectfully, ptv
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
It does seem that there was more to it than that.
I tried it again and lost my a$$.

I'll get around to posting my own chart here along with that of a progressed natal for the day soon...
got other things on my plate that are more pressing presently.
Respectfully, ptv
Nevertheless an interesting experience for you :smile:
Also there is clearly something to your theory
just needs honing perhaps
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
Nevertheless an interesting experience for you :smile:
Also there is clearly something to your theory
just needs honing perhaps

I admit that I have much to learn yet about electional astrology.
But I will say that I have found Astrological Parts to be of some effect in electional prediction.
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
I must add, however, that I was interrupted right in the midst of my second try. The casino had me stop while they collected the days receipts.
An unfortunate circumstance.
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
Here is a copy of my natal and progressed natal chart for that day.
Please note that I always use the following day for the reason I am so close to the International Dateline that the following day is closer to the actual moment ...as astrodienst casts all progressed charts for the moment it becomes that day at the International Dateline.

Dave_natal_and_prog._for_2-15-2018.png
 

Cap

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Howdy. Recently I noticed that at a certain time of the day at this time of year that my natal Part of Increase and Benefits would be conjunct the M.C, locally, at the same time my natal Part of Luck would be conjunct the Descendant, locally.

I cast charts for the two nearest casinos and adjusted the time as necessary for their exact geographical coordinates.

I found it to be exactly a three minute window at the nearby Redhawk casino in Shingle Springs.

I arrived there ahead of time...it was early in the morning on a weekday so I pretty much had my choice of gaming unobstructed.
I chose the Fifty times poker hands, video poker machine, at one cent a bet that has a "Times Pay" feature if you bet the maximum of six cents a hand. the most one can bet on that particular machine is three dollars if one plays all fifty hands.

I play a method of "X" amount of hands for the first few bets, then double the number of hands and then add "X" amount of hands for so many bets and repeat this process until I'm playing all fifty hands.

I won just shy of a hundred dollars in that three minute period.

My natal Part of Increase & Benefits (Asc. + Jupiter - Sun) is located at 00* Sagittarius 20' 24"

My natal Part of Luck ( Asc. + Moon - Jupiter) is located at 11* Leo 48' 54"

Here's the charts.

For the start of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018.png


And for the end of the three minute window.
Po_Luck_Desc_Po_Increase_M.C._Redhawk_2-14-2018_end.png


Winner, winner, chicken dinner.:biggrin:

My approach would be to look at the following:

ASC ruler
DC ruler (casino is your "open enemy")
L2 (your money)
L8 (casino's money)
Moon
POF and its dispositor
how are your natal L1 and L2 involved
interaction if any between L8 and L1 and L2

So, here we have L1 much stronger in dignity than L7 but L7 has greater freedom to act (1st house vs 12th house whole signs). House placements correspond well to the situation, casino machine is in charge of dealing hands. L8 is combusted by L7. All of this is helpful but not decisive otherwise anyone playing inside the casino at that moment would have won.

What is the best testimony for that particular moment is that Jupiter (L2, 10th house WS) is in applying sextile to POF and Jupiter also happens to be your natal L2. It is just on the edge of Jupiter's half orb (I use 9 degrees for Jupiter's orb), still these things don't have a barrier, they fade away gradually. Again, POF dispositor is strong but inactive.

Another good feature is Moon applying sextile to Mars (your natal L1). Moon right on ASC is not the best placement for any activity (much better would be if Moon was angular elsewhere) still this was apparently good enough.

Mercury (L8) is separating (square) from Jupiter, not the ideal feature, it would be much better if Mercury was applying by trine or sextile.

All in all, not the best of charts for winning but still good enough. :smile:

Ideally, the chart should have more beneficial trines and conjunctions (in this case sextiles were at work), what really favoured you compared to other people in casino is involvement of your natal planets and POF while the general features of the chart were good enough.
 
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piercethevale

Well-known member
My approach would be to look at the following:

ASC ruler
DC ruler (casino is your "open enemy")
L2 (your money)
L8 (casino's money)
Moon
POF and its dispositor
how are your natal L1 and L2 involved
interaction if any between L8 and L1 and L2

So, here we have L1 much stronger in dignity than L7 but L7 has greater freedom to act (1st house vs 12th house whole signs). House placements correspond well to the situation, casino machine is in charge of dealing hands. L8 is combusted by L7. All of this is helpful but not decisive otherwise anyone playing inside the casino at that moment would have won.

What is the best testimony for that particular moment is that Jupiter (L2, 10th house WS) is in applying sextile to POF and Jupiter also happens to be your natal L2. It is just on the edge of Jupiter's half orb (I use 9 degrees for Jupiter's orb), still these things don't have a barrier, they fade away gradually. Again, POF dispositor is strong but inactive.

Another good feature is Moon applying sextile to Mars (your natal L1). Moon right on ASC is not the best placement for any activity (much better would be if Moon was angular elsewhere) still this was apparently good enough.

Mercury (L8) is separating (square) from Jupiter, not the ideal feature, it would be much better if Mercury was applying by trine or sextile.

All in all, not the best of charts for winning but still good enough. :smile:

Ideally, the chart should have more beneficial trines and conjunctions (in this case sextiles were at work), what really favoured you compared to other people in casino is involvement of your natal planets and POF while the general features of the chart were good enough.

Thank you very much for taking the time to analyze and reply. I do so appreciate it as it helps me to further understand and develop my own ability to analyze a chart for possible activities in certain ventures.

i do, however, disagree with a few of your techniques.
First I don't consider Jupiter to be the ruler of Sag. or Pisces. I do however consider it to be the rightful ruler of Aquarius and Capricorn. I have a couple, or a few, threads posted in which I make mention or explain at length why. To put it simply is the reason that the debris belt presently referred to as "the asteroids" were once a planet and it is by legend having been shattered by Lucifer in order to confuse humankinds' psyche. (Source of that info is my brother. He did read it somewhere but couldn't remember in what. I suspect it may have been "Hamlet's Mill" but having never read that book myself this is just a "stab in the dark", although a bit of an informed one knowing of a few of the books He has read prior to that time.) That does make it very rough to account for a sizable portion of the Zodiac,two whole Signs in fact, and the chart Houses as well as for accurately interpreting any chart thoroughly. I've worked with the assistance of very well respected clairvoyant for the last 15 years, whose ability was demonstrably proven to me immediately proceeding after the very first "reading" I obtained from her. If she doesn't know (can't "see") the answer she has always told me so "straight up". She concurred with my belief that Jupiter is the actual ruler of those two signs presently believed to be of Saturn's domain. ..and if you think about it Jupiter is the very profile of ll that is Aquarius while Saturn might be the very least. Also Capricorn is "expansive Earth" , i.e. Earth above the Earth and rules the mountainous regions. Mountains are a result of the earth expanding.

Second I don't presently believe that astrological Parts are activated by anything less than a conjunction that falls at least partially within a one degree orb. The Part of Fortune also has nothing particularly to do with "money". For one thing "money" is not a Divine precept, it is a man made invention...however it does allow one to benefit and increase what possessions they have a genuine need for...and that is where the Part of Increase and Benefits come in which incidentally Jupiter is a part of the formula for determining said part, r.e. Asc. + Jupiter - Sun.
The Part of Luck, if it is such a Part as truly there is no such thing as "luck", at least not in the sense most people think. It is however also a Part that involves Jupiter in the formula for its derivation, r.e. Asc. + Moon - Jupiter. As Jupiter plays the part of the Trigger" in said Lot one should pretty much confidentially assume that the Part, or Lot, of "Luck", whatever it truly is, does bestow a increase of something in ones life that is a a beneficial and benevolent nature or substance. Perhaps it is but Divine Grace that is increased which assists for the time it is activated some reduction of any negative karma that is "on ones plate" ? As the Moon is the significator it may only be an increase in optimism, a elevator of ones moods that provides much positive thinking and attitude which results in a sudden increase in such material things that many will certainly take to be, and so describe as 'luck'?

I also didn't mention that my Hermetic Lot of Necessity is at 14* Pisces 12' 15" and Neptune at the time was within a one degree orb of conj. I deliberately didn't mention the fact as i did't want to sully such a noble Lot with the activity of gambling as gambling is a form f usury. Although money is a necessity in the world at present and in my particular case as late it is of a well needed necessity, although that's truly entirely due to my own perspective of things...as I well know that God has always provided me with just as much as I need to proceed in life and as I didn't amass a great wealth from the three minutes I did gamble maybe the Lot of Necessity did have a favorable influence on such an activity at that moment?

As I see that you made no mention of the trans-Saturnian planets I assume your are one that adheres to what is termed"Traditional or Classical astrology" but I do consider those planets to be of effect and greatly so.
Jupiter was in sextile to Pluto at the time and was applying. In fact everything but Ceres was in direct motion at that moment including the Moons' Nodes! [I only include the four most notable of the asteroids as for the reason that I'm still studying them. The clairvoyant I mentioned did say that there is effective influence from the shattered remnants but when I asked Her how to account for it she said, "I see wormholes, opening and closing, here and then there." so that is something that may never be resolved for me, at least not in my lifetime.] I know nothing about what the Moon Nodes indicate when they go direct but one might assume that is when they turn their influence upon affairs of the mundane.. and gambling is about as mundane an activity as any a person might even imagine. Jupiter sextile Pluto provides an optimistic outlook and a quantity of positive thinking, which which may or may not be such a good thing as to gambling but it also activates latent clairvoyant abilities and increase the abilities of those that in whom they are already active. I was born with a certain degree of genuine clairvoyance and an increase in optimism and positive thinking would then be a welcome addition.

As to another direct influence of Jupiter at the time I overlooked the fact that it was conj. within a one degree orb to another Astrological Part/Lot, that it is also a factor of in the formula for its derivation as the Trigger and also Mars, as the Significator. Asc. + Mars - Jupiter, and it produces a Lot tiled the Lot of Debate aka Negotiation but it is also considered to be a Lot of Daring Action. As to which of these alleged proper titles is correct, or whether the all are or if none of them are, I haven't yet come to any sort of true basis for an opinion ...or maybe I should say I hadn't until now as the Part of Daring Action seems to possibly be appropriate for that moment...although had I truly been "daring" I probably would have been risking dollars in great quantity rather than a dollar or three at most. Still, it was an act of some daring, as I was defying some rather slim odds of making any sort of profit at all. My natal Part of Daring Action, or Debate, or Negotiation, is located at 21* Scorpio 47' 20" and thus Jupiter at 22* Scorpio 26' 12"was within 40' of a degree orb in conjunction at the moment that proposed "window" of opportunity of mine became open.

Another natal Lot/Part of mine in play, that I didn't mention is that derived from the formula Asc. + Mars - Venus, and is imho most erroneously given one of a few titles as the Part/Lot of Disappointment and another just as insulting called the Part of Endings. Yet it is also called the Part of Fulfillment, which I find to be somewhat acceptable but the one I find to be the closest in truth as so titled to be as the Part of Passion-Emotional & Affectionate. What else could Mars when triggered by Venus produce?
Most very interestingly is what Dane Rudhyar wrote about the Sabian symbol found to be that for the very same Part/Lot derived from the natal chart I contend is that of Yeshu'a of Nazareth and I intend to initiate a thread on that in the very near future.
That Lot of Passion-Emo. & Affect. derived from my natal chart is at 06* Cap. 05' 54" and Saturn was positioned at 06' Cap. 08' 21" thus being just 02' 27" of a degree from an exact conjunction and as for being what the nature of the event was all about it would be the most obvious deduction to assume that this Saturn-Lot conjunction provided a much needed sobering and rational detachment for the activity whether it was extremely successful, or the very opposite, as to prevent being "carried away" and continuing gambling after the event window had closed.

As to finish out the list of Lots/Parts in play at that time, I'll just list the few remaining as this post has become far more than I had planned on writing and consumed all of Sunday evening here. Anyone wishing any further elaboration on these remaining few have the right to do so themselves and also my blessing and encouragement to ''give it a shot" . Whether or not they had any influence over event is a moot question anyways... imho

The Part/Lot of Faith, aka Modesty, aka Prejudice; Asc. + Mercury - Moon, at 21* Cap. 01' 08" and Pluto was conj. at 20* Cap. 14' 08" by less than a one deg. orb.

The Part of Guidance, aka Occultism, aka Inspiration; Asc + Neptune - Uranus, at 23* Aquarius 40' 52", and Mercury was at 23* Aquar. 32' 40" at that moment and was thus was in very strong conjunction. I should also note that it has been my proven to me through long term observation of more than 33 years,now, that Uranus has been the most influential Planet of effect on my natal chart.

Mercury was also conj. my natal I.C. at 24* Aquar. 16' 38" and my natal Moon at 24* Aquar. 02' 58". The Sun was also conjunct my natal I.C. and Moon as it was at 25* Aquar. 50' 02" and the asteroid Juno as well.
Mercury was also in trine to my natal Saturn Neptune conjunction while also being conj. my natal Moon and all a part of the so called, Harmonic rectangle found in my chart that also involves the natal M.C., I.C., Pluto, Mercury, and Venus as well as my natal Part of Fortune which is conj. my M.C.
All considered it is apparent that there was a very great effect on all matters and inherent clairvoyant abilities, both potent and latent and possibly that had as much to do with what "luck" i seemingly had as for being intuitive to such a degree as to pick out just what gaming device would pay off at that time?

Also of note are my natal Part of Sudden Parting (not a proven title to me and it sounds as if it is meant for horary, anyways) Asc. + Saturn - Uranus at 24* Aquar. 10' 24"

The Part of Noble & Illustrious Acquaintances, aka Powerful Friends, it is about those that deem you as such as it is derived from the formula, Asc. + Part of Fortune - Sun, that is opposite of that of the "traditional one"...but of most doubtful influence on any matters pertaining to this , I just thought that I might as well mention it as it is the last remaining Lot that was in Play at the time.

I am most grateful for your informing me of how the position of the Moon was of an undesirable influence at the time. I will definitely be aware of that in any future endeavors...although as to how it was applying to my natal Mars at the time has got me perplexed. I'm rather sure that it was separating.

On a final note, I had forgotten about a Lot, that I only more recently became aware of, that is derived from the formula, Asc. + Cusp 11th - Uranus, it is called the Part of Intuition and is located at 28* Cap. 24' 40" on my natal chart and thus the event charts Part of Fortune the last 60 seconds was conjunct to my Part of Intuition. More to submit as cause of the effect being that of enhanced clairvoyant and intuitive abilities that morning.

Thanks again for contributing your knowledge, explaining your techniques, and the giving of your time in the process.:smile:
ptv
 
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