Greece's natal chart - The search of an astrological identity · September 8, 2024, 22:52 GMT
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Greece's natal chart
The search of an astrological identity
by Thomas Gazis, astro.forumup.com
As all of us - involved into astrology - know, not only the people but countries too have a zodiacal sign. Everything born in a particular moment in time brings the quality of that moment. Thus, we can cast each country’s natal chart - provided we can identify the country’s moment of birth! Because, in contrast to human beings - the birth of which are evident - countries may have many and different kinds of “births”, some of which are not so evident. Take Greece for example of. When was this ancient country actually "born"? This is a rather complicated issue!
First of all, Greece is not a country that was born in the last few centuries - as i.e. the U.S.A. It has been there for thousands and thousands of years! Thus, its birth is lost in the mist of time. When and how, then, Greece was born? Did this geographical area remained uninhabited till suddenly a day Greeks jumped over its fences and poured in this southern "offshoot" of the Balkans? Had that - somehow hilarious - event happened, then yes, we could say that Greece was born into a particular moment in time (and our only concern would be to identify that particular moment). In ancient times, however, there was not a single ethnic group called “Greeks”, but various kin shipped “tribes” who successively descended to Greece, at different time periods. The gradual amalgamation of all these tribes eventually gave birth to ancient Greece, but that was done gradually over time and not at a certain specific date. In addition ancient Greece functioned mostly as a conglomeration of independent city-states and not as a unified country. Of course there have been some significant and prominent dates (such as the formation of the “Athenian League” - an almost stately institution) but we do not know when they did exactly occur! And without such, we cannot cast a natal chart! We can only speculate and a basic speculation would be that ancient Greece was much influenced by the sign of Sagittarius. And this because the major ancient Greeks’ deity was Zeus - Jupiter, the archetypal figure that rules the sign of Sagittarius. Zeus was the father of all Gods and of all the people. He was very liberated, playful and Jovial (as ancient Greeks were). Moreover, ancient Greeks were considering hospitality - a typically Sagittarian trait - as the supreme virtue, and people should normally host in their homes the strangers they were meeting - as any one of them could be Jupiter himself! Additionally, in ancient Greece an unprecedented spirit of freedom and democracy was reigning, a spirit that was unique to its epoch! Not to mention that ancient Greece is considered the cradle of philosophy, which as we know is linked to Sagittarius!
But even if we knew with certainty the zodiac sign of ancient Greece then a new question would arise: does the zodiac sign of a country remain the same as the millennia pass over? I think it does not! First of all, “everything is flux” as the ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus stated. The correlation between a nation and the cosmic forces ever changes! On the other hand - if we follow the exact definition of what a “country” is - no country has ever managed to survive as an absolutely homogenous entity for thousands of years. Countries do dissolve and then reconstitute, incarnating each time under a different stately form. What has to do for example today’s Egypt with the Pharaohs’ one? What has to do today’s Greece with the 5th century BC “Golden Century” Greece? Ancient and modern Greece are quite different and consequently their charts should be different!
When, then, modern Greece was born? In order to find it out we have to wrap back the thread and find out when was the last time that Greece “died” as a free and separate country. Apart a small period in World War II (which was really brief, to alter the essence of Greece) the last time that Greece ceased to exist was when the Turks occupied it in the 15th century and annexed to the Ottoman Empire! And it was reborn again - this time as modern Greece - when the Greeks massively revolt against the Turks and expelled them from their country, in the beginning of the 19th century! So, we know the time period but we still do not have a specific date.
First of all, we must set forth the necessary prerequisitives for the formation of a new country - stepping a little bit onto Politic Sciences terrain. The basic premise is that there must be a relative “roofless” nation, which has full «conscience of its entity». This nation must have explicitly expressed its will to become a constitutional country - usually in a geographical area historically related to it. Adverse conditions though (usually the fact that such a nation is subject to another country) hampered for a long time the materialization of such a will. Another important parameter to consider is that new countries do not originate on historically insignificant moments but on the very climax of historical events, after a revolution, an overthrow of the existing regime etc. In Greece’s case all of the above features are strongly manifested around 1821, the year of Greece’s revolution against the Turks.
The revolution was officially proclaimed on the 25 March 1821 Old Style (6th of April actual date). So, could this be the date of modern Greece’s birth? The answer is no! The revolution of 25 March mostly denotes a revolt of certain important Greek chieftains against the Turks (a revolt that was neither the first nor the unique) and not the very establishment of the Greek State. This is made clear by a document issued by certain delegates from all over Greece who met at Epidaurus, 9 months after the beginning of the revolution. Almost in an apologetic tone they write: «It should not seem strange that we have postponed till now the political “arrangement” of our fatherland, that we have not yet declared our independence and stand in front of the other legitimate nations of the world. Because it was impossible to think about our political existence unless we first ascertained our physical one”! The authors of this declaration sound like they knew astrology! Because no situation can really exist and prosper in our physical dimensions unless it goes through the stabilizing phase of Taurus. And this phase cannot be obtained unless the generating phase of Aries has been completed first! So, the mystery remains. Which is Greece’s birth date?
Some 20 years ago it came to my attention an old document, that I felt very significant! It was entitled «Declaration of the Political Existence and Independence of the Greek Nation». Let us see what this declaration says: «In the name of the Holy and Indivisible Trinity, the Greek Nation that in the last centuries was under the horrible Ottoman rule, not being able to bare any more the heavy and unprecedented tyranny, which we threw off with great sacrifices, proclaims today - through its legitimate delegates assembled here - before any humans and God, its political existence and Independence! Epidaurus January 1st 1822».
There is no doubt that this declaration constitutes the birth certificate of modern Greece! It fulfils all the criteria we set up and unambiguously states the creation of the modern country of Greece. The birthday of Greece is on the 13th of January (it is a Capricorn country).
The vast majority of Greeks though believe that their country was born on the 3rd of February 1830 - when by the London Treaty the major European powers recognised Greece. But a country is not actually born when the foreign forces decide it but when its own people will it! Otherwise, why should the United States birthday coincide with their unilateral Declaration of Independence (4 July 1776) and not with the date the foreign forces recognised the USA (on, 1783, by the Treaty of Versailles, France). No one has ever questioned the 4th of July as the date of birth of the United States. The September 3rd date - when the great powers acknowledged America - has been forgotten in the drawers of history and no one ever mentions it! Why should we apply in Greece’s similar case different criteria?
But let us see what a Greek professor in Political Sciences (George Dimakopoulos) says in respect to this issue. The «Declaration of the Political Existence and Independence of the Greek Nation» is the constitutive act of the Greek State, whose foundation, legally and historically has to be regarded as from January 1st, 1822 (old calendar, January 13 on the new one). Points of views that appoint it to a different day and connecting it with the diplomatic recognition of the Greek State from the foreign forces are not only contrary to the applied national law, but to the international law too, as it is generally accepted that a diplomatic recognition cannot constitute a foundation act for a State»!
So, even the relative scientists stress modern Greece was born on January 13th, 1822 (the correct date, with the Gregorian calendar.) Greece is NOT Aquarius - as very many people believe in Greece - but Capricorn! And it has all the characteristics of a Capricornian country. It is an old country, which due to its glorious past it enjoys the respect of all other countries. It is a conservative country and very much materialistic (easy to spot this in modern Greece) bit lacking the material abundance of the other western European countries. It is a State whose public sector - associated with the sign of Capricorn - is overgrown. Out of a population of 10 million in Greece there are a million civil servants! It is a country where social status is extremely important! To realise what I mean just think of this: in Greece’s streets when 2 cars mildly crash people jump out and routinely say to each other, as a kind of threat: «do you know who am I». This is something that personally I have never heard in any other country of the world!
In 1994 I personally met Nicholas Campion, who at the time was working on his internationally successful book «Book of World Horoscopes». I explained him the relevant studies I had done regarding Greece’s chart and he accepted January 13, 1822 as the date of birth of modern Greece (he included it in his book).
In a following posting I will show you and explain in details the astrological chart of modern Greece.
Here you can see the chart of modern Greece, based on the date of Greece's Independence declaration (from the Turks, that had occupied Greece for 4 centuries, from 1453 till 1821)!
We know the date (1 January 1822 Julian calendar, meaning 13 January 1822 modern Calendar) but not the exact time the declaration was pronounced! By rectifying this chart I came up with a Pisces Ascendant but of course this is just a speculative Ascendant and it needs a lot of additional research . So, we give Greece's chart a speculative birth time around 10 AM. The place was Epidavros, very close to the famous ancient Epidaurus theater!
