T Saturn conjunctions - Help!

[sandyv63]

I’m about to go through a rough patch of conjuctions from transiting Saturn to my tight 4 planet stellium in Virgo. Saturn has already conjunct my natal Uranus, went rx and is about to make another pass over it. After that, it will conjunct Pluto, the Sun and finally Venus, by which time I hope to still have my sanity.
Already the frustration is becoming unbearable. Also, I feel like the life force is being sucked out of me. I know Saturn transits can be draining, but this is ridiculous. Besides these wonderful conjunctions, Saturn will trine my ascendant between the Uranus conjunction and the Pluto conjunction. Can anyone clue me in as to what I can expect these next few months? The good news is that it will all be over by the end of October, but I think it will be a very rough 4 months with all those simultaneous conjunctions. I’m not sure if Saturn will go rx again after it passes my Venus and I plain don’t want to know if it does. I don’t think I could deal with another pass through my stellium. Enclosed is my natal chart with current transits.

[twiggy]

Hi Sandy

Some of us Virgos are shaking in our boots at the moment. I have transiting Saturn more or less conjunct my natal Sun in the 12 H, and after moving on to my Virgo ASC it will then pass over my major stellium in 1 H. True to this transiting Saturn I'm having major revelations about how transiting Saturn has affected those areas of my life that correspond the houses it moved trough. 3 H - college years, the IC angle - separation of self from family/roots, 5 H - my child bearing years, 7 H - marriage issues, 8 H - illness of a family member/facing death, 10 H - had to seek employment for the first time, 11H - fitting in to circle of friend/ my role in the cooperative, and now in the 12H - psycho analysing with the help of astrology and re-evaluating my life journey so far thereby being able to cast away some issues that I can see clearly. For me it looks as if Saturn transits have opened major new chapters in my life and trown in some major structural lessons. I've just finished reading 'The Tenth Insight' by James Redfield, and for me, the 'Birth Vision' (the vision of what to accomplish in our next life before we enter it) seems to be connected with what natal chart we choose.

Many astrologers say Saturn is the task master, and not to resist the lessons it throws at us.

I don't have any planets in 5H, but when Saturn transited here I had the first of my three children. I for one would be very interested if you could let us know how you went, although I do understand clarity about events can take some time.

Cheers!
N

[sandyv63]

Gawd no, no children from this transit. I've managed to dodge having any (Pluto & Uranus in the 5th, don't want children in this lifetime) and now that I am approaching 45, I'm thinking Saturn here may be the reason I'm already on replacement hormones, although I am not menopausal just yet. I am clueless so far regarding this transit. All I feel is frustrated because I am stuck in a town that I don't like and moving across the country is not an option until finances drastically improve. Funny, I did the school thing when Saturn went through my 3rd house. I never made the connection. Now that I am done with school, I'd like to actually use my education and get that better paying job. If I could just move to the west coast, I could immediately double my salary, at least. This lack of progress is beyond frustrating at this point. I don't get it. It seems like the universe is throwing road blocks my way. Any time I get any interest in my job application, something happens to thwart it. I' sick of it already.

[twiggy]

Hi sandy

Your 5H looks very creative, especially with Leo on the cusp. So a fun-loving house like this must really feel it when Saturn passes. Key words for 5H - sport, recreation, games, romance, performing, managing. Like the curtain went down, so to speak. Are you a make-over artist/ fitness instructor or the like? Just because you said you'd be paid better on the West Coast. I had a peek at your SR to get more clues, to me it looked like an emphasis on 7H - close relationships/business relationships for next year. And Pluto is in Sag in 10th (travel re work?). Finally, transiting Jupiter is nearing your MC, so surely the work situation will get better soon. Sorry I can't help more, but this is already stretching my abilities. But I would like to think Saturn will re-struct your creative/artistic abilities, and that the rewards professionally is just over the horizon.

N

[sandyv63]

See, I never really felt comfortable with the typical 5th house explanations. I'm not much of a party person and fun to me is reading a good reference book. My vedic chart sounds like me but the western chart is not so easlly interpreted. I just got my MBA in finance last year so the west coast would provide a decent salary while still providing the nice climate. I am hypothyroid and I have always hated the cold. Going back to NY is not an option. Besides, it doesn't feel like home anymore after 9/11.

I took a look-see at my solar return chart last year on my birthday and I have to tell you, all that angular house activity made me nervous. I didn't like Pluto up on the 10th house cusp but I think I understand how it's played out in my life. I work for the public school district as the Budget Specialist for special ed (the closest I'll ever get to children...) and the political climate here is just awful. The board illegally fired the Superintendent last July and the new guy would have been better off staying in the military. Many jobs were lost and the special ed program is all but dismantled. Of course legally it has to remain in the public schools because of "no child left behind" but this guy is barely doing the legal minimum. It is very sad at this district these days. I think the Pluto on the 10th reflects all the political power plays I've been seeing around here.

Wait a minute, are you talking about the upcoming solar return? I haven't looked at that one yet. I remember having 7th house activity for the current solar return and I just figured you were speaking of that one. Activity on the 7th house - well, if I move out west, all those 5th house planets will shift into the 7th house and I think Mercury in early Libra will be there too, according to a relocated chart for Irvine. That would be a lot of 7th house from a relocated chart and a solar return. I've never been what you might call a people person (see, I really don't fit the typical 5th house personality and I know my birth time is accurate) so I am not sure how all that 7th house activity would play out. Maybe I'd attract some freaky friends. Heck, it can't be any worse than what I attract with Neptune on my 7th, hehehe. What I do like about my relocated chart is that it moves my intercepted 12th house Jupiter into that wonderful 2nd house so finances would likely improve. Finances absolutely bite right now and that's why I am still in this beachtown for retirees.

Thanks for the interpretation. I think your skills are just fine.

[twiggy]

Oh dear, I definately have your chart up on astrodienst and it says solar return for 2008/2009 - Asc Aquarius 25 55. I take that to be from your bday in 2008 to bday in 2009. Or have I been doing all my SR's wrong?

Funny, I'm always cold too. A sweltering 33-35 deg C day here in Australia keeps me just right. The only thing that keeps me warm the other days is micro fibre fleeces/gowns etc.

So I 'get' the 5 H now- it's those other Leo qualities like skills in management and so forth. I was really racking my brain trying to guess what profession you could have chosen with a Virgo stellium in the 5th that has a Leo cusp, and looked to your Mars and Mercury. They're in the 6th so I thought health/fitness. Finance sound perfectly logical now - rational thinking capacity and energy expanded on fairly 'routine work' processes. And I just read yesterday that Mars in 6th is goal oriented - so it fits well with achieving budgets, reconciliations and the like. At any rate I think understanding your 5H will probably help clarifying the effect of the Saturn transit.

OK all the best.

N

[sandyv63]

I just did the solar return chart for 2008 and I got the same thing. Saturn conjunct the Sun, oh joy. All I can think of is another ****** year of busting my butt with little to show for it. And Uranus in the 1st - wonderful. My coworkers will watch me go crazy. And that 9th house moon - that must be me yearning to get out of this town but only going in my dreams. Now I have Pluto up in that 10th house - I wonder what that will bring. I checked my current solar return and Pluto is in the 1st, not the 10th. Well, I knew it was on an angle anyway. Jupiter is also in the 1st. Hmm, I have been losing weight lately, not gaining it. It was the Sun that was up on the MC in the 10th. Mars is in the 7th and Uranus is on the IC in the 4th. I have a planet or two in all the angles. How could such a powerful combination lead to so much nothing this year? I seem to be defying this solar return. I don't see anything exciting on the horizon prior to my upcoming solar return so I just plain don't get it. I'm sorry for the rant; I am just so frustrated and I don't see any relief in sight. Makes me wonder why I practically killed myself these past 7 years to get such a solid education if I can't even use it. Thank you so much for the solar return interpretation for next year. I appreciate your efforts and your kind response.

[twiggy]

Hi Sandy. Comparing the SR 2007/2008, and 2008/2009 it looks like at the moment you 'exist' at the top of the chart, I mean you have Saturn at the very highest point, Sun in 10 H. So anything awry in this sector is really going to be felt. For next year you can probably hope being more personally detached from the goings on at work, as you have a stellium in 7 H. Also, I have Pluto natally in the first. The one thing I have always had control over is my body and weight. I think this is a good time for you to implement exercise regimes and really make that push to live healthier and loose weight, start detoxing etc. if this is desirable! And Jupiter could help you feel fresh and vibrant about your body and health. Maybe this could be an area of strength in these months of turmoil.

Cheers!

N

[sandyv63]

Well, I'm hypothyroid so losing weight is a struggle. I've never had a problem with will power but when you are eating 750 calories a day and still gaining weight, it is very frustrating. Will power becomes meaningless when your body is working against you. I am on medication for it now but I am still tired all the time. It seems like my life is full of constant frustrations that I can't do anything about, no matter how hard I try. Let me tell you, trying hard is not a problem for me. Not getting results is.

Anyway, my solar return for the current year never did pan out. It looked like this year would be full of changes but it has been a year of nothing. I don't know what to expect for the next solar return except maybe more of the same. I have always felt somewhat punished in this life, but this is ridiculous. All I can fathom is that I have some horrible Karma to work out. I have to believe that; otherwise I think I will go nuts. One thing is for sure. I am tired of going to well known astrologers and hearing how wonderful my chart is. Baloney. It *****. Maybe that's all I'm supposed to understand about this life. Work my tail off and expect NOTHING in return. Watch people with much less talent and education get great jobs while I get NOTHING. I can't really complain about not having a relationship because I learned a long time ago that they don't work for me so I avoid them completely. I really don't need that stress on top of everything else. I guess I just don't get it.

Anyway, I really do appreciate your insights. Thanks!

[twiggy]

Hi Sandy

750 calories, Yikes! I don't know much about the thyroid except that health authorities worldwide are concerned about iodine intake, and would prefer people to shop for iodised salt rather than the cheaper varieties. Apparently really important.

I can hear that you are overwhelmed with your situation, and regardless of the chart, dealing with your illness would in itself cause enough frustration for a lifetime or two.

Being a mutable sign, is so very easy for us to adapt to other people, situations, crises and it can give us a false sense being able of dynamic change. It is so easy for us to look for outside forces to drive our lives. A sense of loyalty keeps us in situations that do us harm. You deserve a better pay after your investment in your education. You really, really deserve it. What's more there's a work place that really, really need your qualifications. I think what the universe want's you to do is too make some brave, conscious decisions. You might have to be ruthlessly selfish in an un-Virgo way and take a real hard look at what would serve you. Also, try go to job interviews, thinking they are darned lucky to have you applying, assume an air of importance, they will sense it. I'm just saying all this because you seem to be in a rut of helplessness. Turn it around. If you try, fail, then try again. The more you try the more you have gained.

So I'm gathering that you have put your priorities in work, -no children, no partner. Well, don't know you chose this, but that is the situation. I think your 5H shows how important it is for you to have your work situation satisfactory. I think this is the crux. To be paid well for your efforts, to be appreciated and respected at work, to have some managerial power, friendly co-workers, smooth and ethical running of the operation. If the situation has been so bad then lets hope that transiting Saturn brings good things to this area!

There is always a key when things are at the darkest. I'm sort of a fatalist too, but really believe there is that opportunity, a clue how to make yourself get on the right path (and I believe you have already achieved the majority of that step with your MBA). Perhaps some spiritual reading would help you - I found James Redfield's Insights books really useful, as the spiritual messages are woven into a story. I'm surprised you feel "fated' in a negative way. I have Jupiter in 12 H just like you, and I've always felt 'protected' by a higher source.

I really do hope that you will see the light at the end of the tunnel sooner rather than later! All the best,

N

[sandyv63]

Hi Twiggy,

You pretty much summed it up. I am not usually so fatalistic but when I've been working towards a particular goal for 8 years now and I've already made some adjustments to accommodate my circumstances and I still can’t seem to get out of this town, yeah, I’m cranky. I know when the majority of the planets are in the Western hemisphere like mine are, it is difficult to follow a plan. That, of course, doesn’t stop me because I really believe that every person is responsible for his or her own choices and actions. That being said, it seems like I always have to wait for the Universe to catch up to me. VERY frustrating with an Aries moon who wants it NOW. If my current situation was an anomaly, maybe I’d be more patient. But it seems like my whole life I’ve been out of synch with the Universe or the Universe has been out of synch with me. The only thing that ever went relatively smoothly was getting my education, which I now can’t even pay for because I can’t get out of this town. I think that 14 months after getting the MBA, I should be able to afford my loan payments. But for whatever reason, my efforts remain fruitless. The problem isn’t my education, skills, etc. The problem is that I am trying to get a job across the country and employers plain don’t want to take the “risk” of hiring someone who may decide to stay put after getting hired. If they only knew…

I have sent hundreds of resumes with cover letters indicating that I am ready to move and that I don’t expect them to cover relocation expenses. I was in the area last year for a week and they still didn’t want to even talk to me because I was from out of state. The recruiters that I spoke with told me that if I was already living there, I could get a job immediately (no kidding) but it is just such an expensive area that I can’t financially move out there without a job in hand. I don’t have any cash to keep me going for a month or two and my so called friend won’t even let me stay with him for a few days (some friend. I think he’s jealous.) Jobs here are scarce, and besides, I really don’t want to commit to another year or two in this town. I am working at a very nice place with a pleasant atmosphere, but I am way too overqualified for the job I have and I am frustrated. The job I was at prior to this one was so awful, I was traumatized. I mean this company was corrupt big time and they treated the employees like they were doing them a huge favor by letting them come to work every day to get abused. When I managed to get into this new place, I felt like I had been rescued. It took me over a year to get out of that awful place so I am not kidding when I say jobs are hard to get around here.

You are correct about my current health situation draining me. Iodine isn’t my particular issue; I don’t convert T4 to T3 very well. This is why I was gaining weight eating 750 calories a day. Like I said, willpower isn’t my problem. I finally found a doctor who didn’t have his head up his behind and he correctly diagnosed me. I’ve suspected a thyroid problem for years but every time I was tested, the results were “normal.” If only these doctors knew that a TSH does not effectively measure thyroid function. Conversion can’t be determined through the TSH but most doctors don’t know or don’t care. They think if the TSH is within some arbitrary range, there is no problem. Let me tell you, conversion is a HUGE problem. T4 medications make it much worse, and most doctors prefer to prescribe Synthroid or the equivalent. My conversion is so bad I couldn’t even tolerate Armour. Now I am on a fairly high dose of Cytomel but I am still tired all the time. I have improved however, and now I am slowly losing the weight, although I am still on a relatively low calorie diet. I am not huge but I am very small framed and the weight is definitely a problem. I am sure that’s part of why I am still tired most of the time. Then there are the terrible allergies that I get shots for. Did I mention I was frustrated with just about everything in my life?

Anyway, this rant was very therapeutic for me. Sometimes it feels good to just vent. I appreciate the opportunity to do just that. Thank you again for your insightful comments.

[twiggy]

OK Sandy

I then lastly will say if you at all can afford it, getting on to natural co-enzyme Q10 will (And I know it will) give you a great vitality bost, and lift your tiredness. Q10 is popular but there's a lot of artificial stuff around. Coenzyme q10 is a very strong anti-oxidant but more importantly sits in every cell membrane to help in the ATP production (conversion of energy, metabolic function) so it will feel like being on aviation fuel. It will add years to your life, and help your heart health (the muscle with most q10). It makes you wake up fresher in the morning but doesn't disturb sleep. We cannot get q10 from a normal diet really, and we start loosing what we have from age 18. I take a q10 that is in dry pill form (phosphate delivered) it's better than gel and oil. But definately look for natural.

And I just saw your Yod in your natal - Jupiter 12H, Saturn 11H with Venus in 5H as the apex, conjunct Sun, Pluto.

All right will leave you to it. I wish you all the best and many thanks, astology is just fascinating.

N

[sandyv63]

I've been taking Co Q 10 for years, as well as a cabinet full of other supplements. They've definitely helped me. I even take Ashwagandha, which is good for the adrenals.

I think I have another Yod with Venus, Neptune and Jupiter, but it depends on how large an orb you allow. I'd personally prefer to just skip it myself.

[Vista]

I sort of breezed through the other "replies," but i see a number of things:

Change in your career situation whether that would be a change of career or change "within" your career especially with Saturn going over Uranus(third time is strongest) and then Pluto. Uranus also sextiling your midheaven. I think there is an opportunity for you to move too.

If you are in a relationship, it will become more serious; if not, the likelihood of you meeting someone is very strong too. Could be younger or much older(can go either way).

Also, Jupiter traveling through the 9th house since December usually means a trip abroad somewhere.



You have a lot of positive influence in your transiting chart: Jupiter trining Sun, Pluto trining Moon, Uranus Sextiling MC, Saturn conjunct Pluto(I think this will be positive for you), Saturn sextiling Neptune. I certainly would not be worrying at all. In other words I feel when a door closes a window will open. Do not worry.

Your house of other people’s money looks good too. Unexpected bonus, commissions, lucky streak...?

Saturn Conjunct Sun then Venus tells me low vitality because Sun rules your "lifeforce" and Venus rules your ascendant and intercepted 6th house of health. I suspect your medicine for your thyroid is not working and you will likely feel worse during these transits.

BTW, I have battled hypothyroid disease for many years - it was really ruining my life. I am now going to a physician who specializes in hormone deficiency, thyroid disease, lyme disease, and autoimmune disorders to name a few. He has me on a "compound" formula of T3 with Progesterone and Testosterone, compound Serotonin, and some other things that i was deficient in. The very first time i went to him I had 27 different blood tests done! I feel better now than I ever have. Not perfect, but getting better month by month. I have tried everything you have been on and I just felt sick - almost as if i was dying a slow death. Cytomel did not work for me as synthroid, unithryoid, and Armour did not. I know you cannot see him as you live in NY, but checkout their website you might find some good information. http://www.holtorfmed.com/
Also, look at Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome, http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/
Lastly, they are finding a link between chronic lyme disease(ever been bitten by a tick/), as well amalgam silver fillings and to hypothyroid disease.
Vista

[sandyv63]

Than you so much for your reply!

The good news is that I am going to California next week. I applied to a job with the city of Costa Mesa and I never expected anything to come of it. Much to my surprise I was invited to take the test June 24th. I figured I might as well stay the week and schedule some interviews while I was out there but I really didn't have the funds to do it. My friend who lives out there is letting me stay with him, again another huge surprise as he blew me off every other time I asked him. Then another friend offered to use her frequent flyer miles to get me the round trip ticket. Amazing. It seems my life goes from zero to 60 in the blink of an eye. This isn't the first time in my life that changes come suddenly after a long period of frustration. The sudden help from friends is a real blessing as I did not expect it. BTW, I live in Florida, not NY. I was born there and moved (for the first time) when I was 24.

I am not in a relationship and I have no intention of getting into one. I have given up on that a long time ago. Neptune in the 7th house is not conducive to lasting relationships or reliable partners.

As for the health...I appreciate hearing from someone who understands what I've been through. Actually, the Cytomel works for me but my other hormones are out of whack. I found a doctor in Costa Mesa who specializes in hormone balance (referred to me by a fellow hypothyroid who found relief with this doc) and once I am out there permanently, I will schedule an appointment. I think relief may be found after that. Besides the Cytomel, I am on a quarter grain of Armour, estradiol and progesterone. The pharmacy ******* up my refil and my cycle is now completely off. I was wondering why I was getting these severe migraines all of a sudden and then I figured it out. Darn hormones...Needless to say I no longer use that particular, well-known nationwide pharmacy. But now that I am on Cytomel, I have been losing the weight which is a big improvement for me. I definitely feel a little better.

I agree with the amalgam fillings. I think they are definitely part of the problem. I don't know if I've ever been bitten by a tick. I've had so many blood tests that I would hope it would have been discovered by now. Then there are all the pollutants in our atmosphere from air pollution to plastics, pesticides, fertilizers, preservatives, etc. Most of the stuff sold as food is far from edible. The current obesity, diabetes and heart disease epidemic is the direct result, I think.

I feel very strongly that I will get a job out of this trip next week, whether it is the job with the city or some other job. Now my main concern is finances as this move will be expensive. I am hoping to alleviate some of the stress by getting a job with a decent enough salary that will allow me to start paying off some debt, especially all those student loans (an MBA sure is expensive.) Anyway, I sure do appreciate your insights, Vista!

[twiggy]

Thanks Vista I don't really understand why the quoation marks around 'replies' , I take it you don't find my replies useful.

I you take note of the dates you will see there was ten days of absolutely no replies - enough for this thread to be forgotten. I usually sit back because of my limited knowledge but find the courage to reply on 0 reply threads in order to learn myself, and to mix it up here. I doubt you would have answered if this thread hadn't been picked up and gotten the attention.


N

[sandyv63]

Hey Twiggy,

I've found all the replies from the people kind enough to respond to my post have been very enlightening. I don't think Vista meant anything personal against you. I agree that this should be a place where we can exchange ideas. I had one snooty person berate me through private email for responding to a post! This is NOT a forum for the exclusive; they have their own astrology forum at another site I will not mention. The point is, every piece of wisdom shared by others who did not have to take the time to reply to my post is greatly appreciated. Those who believe only the "professionals" should post need to go to that other forum. Fortunately that stuck-up-you-know-what has steered clear of this post. Thanks again!

[Vista]

Hi Twiggy,
Not offense meant with the quotation marks around "replies." I value other astrologer’s opinions a great deal. What I meant by it is that I skimmed through the replies pretty quickly so I was not sure if my interpretation had been touched on. Actually, I really don't have a good reason why I put the quotation marks around replies...I just did. Truth be told, I was in a little bit of a hurry and wanted to get my thoughts written out. ;o)
Vista

[Vista]

Sandy,
Ok, that makes sense regarding your trip out here to California for the job interview. Also, money coming your way(not earned) from your 8th house. Not quite what I expected but certainly a place to stay and a plain ticket could be interpreted that way. Your 11th house is ruled by Uranus with Saturn sitting inside(i.e. Saturn conjunct Uranus = unexpected help from friends). Very interesting. I still think there is more to come - that is money that wasn't earned by you. Also Jupiter in the 9th house of travel and higher education - you finished your MBA. Again, it makes sense. I love astrology!! Did you do the trip to China that usually comes along with the MBA program?
Overall, money is not a problem other than perhaps a few unexpected expenses (Saturn conjunct Venus) the last week of September first couple of weeks of October. Not a big deal. I have been dealing with Saturn square Venus for several months and it's really just played out as dental work and going to my thyroid doctor quite a bit, which has been pretty expensive. Just be glad you don't have Neptune opposing Mars right now like I do! That's been a difficult one for me.
Anyway, I still see a move and new career...and still stand by what I said in that I believe a relationship is coming your way. LOL! Perhaps Saturn sitting on your Sun and then Venus is simply the stress of all that you have going on with interviews and possibly moving. It’s very draining to say the least.
I use to live in Costa Mesa I am now down in San Diego. I assume you were born in 63 based on your profile name?' That is the year that I was born and I have sort of given up on relationships myself. I see what you mean about Neptune in the 7th. Your ruler Pluto Conjunct Uranus doesn't help either. I have my ruler Venus square Uranus, which gives me a lot of trouble. Also, the almuten of my 7th house is Saturn which squares Neptune natally. It's definitely been a challenge for me as I am still single too.
Keep us posted on what happens with everything. Good luck too!
Vista

[sandyv63]

Hey Vista,

What a relief about finances! I'm telling you, right now I still don't know how I am going to do this move if a job results from this trip. I've applied for increases on 2 credit cards, which is also unearned money I suppose. As long as I can pay off the credit cards within a year I will be happy. Where in Costa Mesa did you live? I may need to contact you in a couple of weeks if this first job pans out

You know, I would have never thought Saturn visiting my natal Uranus would indicate financial help from friends. What a great interpretation. It certainly beats the usual interpretation of feeling frustrated, which I've also been feeling. Yes, I was born in 1963. I'm hoping you just see new friends on the horizon because I will have enough to put up with once I move. Besides, I have a cat who is very much like a husband He definitely wouldn't put up with any competition. I'll have to sedate him for the plane ride over; he's a howler and he gets car sick. Can you imagine him on 2 planes? Good thing I have someone to watch him during the week I'm in OC.

I didn't go to a large university to get my MBA so no trip to China. I went to Hodges University, which is a small (read: EXPENSIVE) University in Naples. I graduated a year ago April, while Jupiter was still in Sag in my 8th house. I started in May, 2002 and didn't stop until I finished my MBA. I intended to only get an associates, but I did really well and I totally enjoyed going to school so I decided to go all the way. After my MBA, I was totally exhausted. I don't know if I could ever do that again. I'm not sure how I did it in the first place.

My goal when I first started school in 2002 was to get enough education to run my own business. My advisor at the time said I'd need an MBA to do that and I remember thinking that there was no way I was going to ever get an MBA. I still want to run my own business but that's going to have to wait a while, I'm sure. I'd love to get involved with real estate and in Vedic astrology, an rx natal Jupiter is supposed to be good for that. Fingers crossed... In the mean time, I think I'll get my real estate license in CA and work at a development part time. I used to sell real estate in Miami in 1990-1990-91. I enjoyed it but the market was horrible so I didn't last. I'm not sure how much better it would be in OC, but my relocated chart has my natal Jupiter in the 2nd house, so I am hopeful that this move will bring really good financial opportunities.

Anyway, I am glad you found my post and I really appreciate the great information!

[twiggy]

Ok all, Trust a Virgo to be sensitive about some quotation marks. I'm obviously sensitive about my capabilities and that's why I took it the wrong way. I usually chuckle about how communication can me misinterpreted here, and this time the laugh was on me...

I too, think there's a certain snootiness where post don't get answered. And in this thread I could't understand it, as the chart was rather interesting. It amazes me when post like 'did he get my text message' (accompanied with natal chart), "I' m so depressed" (for the 20th time), or "synastry with a soulmate" (met him last Sat) gets answered before the serious questions....

N

[sandyv63]

Hey Twiggy,

I don't ever take it personally. I think people follow their interests and that's fine. I am just grateful when someone like you does take the time to reply.

This site is actually rather decent; there is another one where it is really an elitist club mentality. I don't go there anymore. This place is pretty nice. I only had one bad experience with a "professional" who didn't like anyone but her responding to a particular post. She should go to the other site; she has the same arrogant mentality.

[Vista]

Hi Sandy,
Well for some reason my last response did not post. It was pretty lengthy and I didn't save it! Darn it!! (
That and my asking if you were born in 63(duh I only have your chart) and Twiggy’s misinterpreting my
quotation marks are classic Mercury Retrograde working at it’s finest! Hehe!



I was thinking that if you are insistent on not having a relationship ;o) the 7th house does rule all "partnerships." Would it be possible that you are considering an independent contractor type of job that would take you from project to project? Or perhaps you will form another sort of work partnership. Either one would fit, but whatever it is your 7th house will be very active. I would say that with Saturn on the MC(I have this too), Mars/Mercury in the 6th, Moon in Aries, and Sun conjunct both Uranus and Pluto, you would do very well as a business owner. At the very least, your job should have a lot of autonomy and you should have some sort of control over decisions about the business. Also, Mercury on the cusp and sitting in your 6th house tells me that you could easily have “dual” careers or some sort of side business. In terms of doing real-estate here in California; historically, real-estate out here has been very good. What's more your 4th house ruler Moon has several great natal aspects to it and no afflictions. It would be a very good area for you; even so, there are so many variables with the economy the way it is. There seem to be a lot of short sales, which of course is driving down home prices as well. My condo dropped $160,000! BTW, I lived off Harbor Blvd in Costa Mesa. I miss it. I tried selling my condo last year to get back up to Orange County. I am in medical device sales and cover several counties including the OC area. If you need any advice on places to live, let me know. If you do move here, eventually you will probably be able to get a very good deal on property especially if you are an agent.
Anyway, the more “careers” and more diversity you have the better for your survival. Why? I think astrologically we are heading for much more serious problems than a recession. I personally feel we are headed for a depression here in the United States. I have corresponded with an Astrological Economic Novelist who has written quite a few very interesting “Astro-Economic” papers on the United States and the upcoming transits we will be experiencing. Since the United States formation the country seems to go in 70 year cycles of thriving as a nation followed by a Great Depression. The US chart is coming up to a Grand Cross Transit. All Grand Cross Transit have coincided with a “Great Depression.” Don’t get me wrong, we have had some “peaks and valleys” in the economy, but if there is not Grand Cross there is no Great Depression. What he says is, “What looms ahead in the not-to-distant future is likely to combine the social upheavals of The Sixties with the angst of the 1930s Great Depression and the rebelliousness of the American Revolutionary period.” It’s already happening. The expense of the war, the Liberals against the Conservatives, open borders and the invasion of illegal immigrants demanding “their rights” while plundering our social services ,” hi gas prices, the healthcare crisis, the refusal to drill for oil here in the U.S., it goes on and on.

If you are interested in reading the articles, go to www.robertgover.com On the left side of his webpage shows all of his articles, interviews, and excerpts from his book which he sent me a transcript of before he published it. As an astrologer I find it all to be very fascinating.
Shaelyn

[sandyv63]

Oh yeah, tell me about that Mercury rx. I was born with Mercury stationary-rx in my chart but I still suffer all the usual problems that arise when Mercury goes rx. I too lost a long post I wrote for no good reason except that rx Mercury was doing its thing. However, I notice that important events for me begin during an rx cycle, which always worries me.

I know Harbor. I saw a car accident happen there right in front of me while I was waiting for a green light. This happened when I was there last year. Scared the heck out of me. Anyway, why don't you rent your condo and then move up to OC and be my roommate? My cat will boss you around and we'll all be happy

I'm not sure if I will end up in Costa Mesa. I plan to live as close to whatever job I get as possible. I hate to drive and gas is just stupid expensive in OC. If I could move anywhere in OC, I think I'd move to Irvine. I love it but holy moly, it is ridiculously expensive. When I go next week, I will be staying in Mission Viejo. I didn't make it to MV when I was there last year so I have no idea if I will like it. I did go to Ladera Ranch and let me tell you, I would LOVE to sell real estate in there.

I have had two incomes for about 10 years now (the benefits of Gemini on the 2nd, hehe.) I do my "normal" job and I also run an online business. I can't seem to let go of this real estate thing because I just love it so I think I will give it a try and see what happens. I can't help feeling that at some point I will connect with the right people and things will happen from there. I am all for a good business relationship. I could use a good mentor and I can't remember which transit it was, but something is coming up that promises to bring someone into my life that will be a mentor type. Wait - I think it might be transiting Pluto squaring my Mercury. That won't come into effect until next year sometime, I think. I could do the independent contractor thing - I did that for three years a while back. However, I really don't want to do that anymore. Who knows, I might start off that way but I hope not. I need health insurance and finances are soooo tight right now that I don't think I could do that overpriced COBRA thing. I will trust that it will all happen the way it is supposed to.

You know, I really do have a lot of 7th house activity going on. My solar return has all that 7th house stuff happening starting in September, Progressed Venus has moved into the 7th house and is approaching Neptune (that should be interesting...) and my relocated chart for OC moves that 5th house stellium into the 7th. I still, however, refuse to entertain the notion of a relationship. The universe better comply, or else!:13: I just don't trust men and I doubt I ever will. As you can see, I am in no particular hurry to learn to trust. I'll save that chore for my next life. Hopefully I will be smart enough to wait a long time between lives.

I think I have some Robert Hand books in my vast collection. I also read a lot of his articles on another astrology site. I won't post it because I know the mediators don't appreciate it and I can respect that. I will check out your link. I totally agree with your opinion about bad times coming. Pluto going through the sign of big business means changes in that sector and the changes are probably going to be difficult. Just think of how Pluto in Sag manifested. This is one of the reasons I want to be in a stable financial position in the near future. I am thinking my days of living paycheck to paycheck will (better) be over soon. Even during the worst of economic times, there are always a group of people making money. As long as I can do that in an ethical way, without causg harm to anyone else, I will be happy. Heck, that's why I went to school!

I think the democrats will take over the white house and go on a spending spree. That will cause a further decline in the economy because I don't think the party has pulled itself together. The republicans have no exciting new blood and have nothing to offer either. I am a registered independent (no big surprise, I know) and I wouldn't vote for either. We have some slim pickins this election year. I bet the country does a complete 180 in 2012 and votes conservative. By then, the neocons will probably have plenty of ammunition (but probably little more to offer.) I have very little faith in politics these days. Both parties are so corrupt and I don't think human nature will change anytime soon.

[Vista]

Originally Posted by sandyv63

Oh yeah, tell me about that Mercury rx. I was born with Mercury stationary-rx in my chart but I still suffer all the usual problems that arise when Mercury goes rx. I too lost a long post I wrote for no good reason except that rx Mercury was doing its thing. However, I notice that important events for me begin during an rx cycle, which always worries me.

I know Harbor. I saw a car accident happen there right in front of me while I was waiting for a green light. This happened when I was there last year. Scared the heck out of me. Anyway, why don't you rent your condo and then move up to OC and be my roommate? My cat will boss you around and we'll all be happy

You never know!! We could be roommates! LOL! Actually I have thought about renting my condo many times, however, I would take a hit of several hundred dollars every month and the risk of getting "squatters" in there, which has happened to quite a few of my friends. I am looking to leave my company as I suspect the division I am in will be absorbed back into the full line reps bag. We are a start-up division focusing in urology and it's just not supporting itself. Once I get a new position that will dictate where I live. Does your "bossy" kitty like little Shih Tzu's??? ;o)

I'm not sure if I will end up in Costa Mesa. I plan to live as close to whatever job I get as possible. I hate to drive and gas is just stupid expensive in OC. If I could move anywhere in OC, I think I'd move to Irvine. I love it but holy moly, it is ridiculously expensive. When I go next week, I will be staying in Mission Viejo. I didn't make it to MV when I was there last year so I have no idea if I will like it. I did go to Ladera Ranch and let me tell you, I would LOVE to sell real estate in there.

I lived in Irvine for four years before moving to San Diego. I love it too and find it very centrally located for just about everything. I would live there or Newport/Corona Del Mar area. I lived in Mission Viejo too, just right down form the lake. It's nice up there as well and now that there is a freeway that goes out there it's very easy to get to.

I have had two incomes for about 10 years now (the benefits of Gemini on the 2nd, hehe.) I do my "normal" job and I also run an online business. I can't seem to let go of this real estate thing because I just love it so I think I will give it a try and see what happens. I can't help feeling that at some point I will connect with the right people and things will happen from there. I am all for a good business relationship. I could use a good mentor and I can't remember which transit it was, but something is coming up that promises to bring someone into my life that will be a mentor type. Wait - I think it might be transiting Pluto squaring my Mercury. That won't come into effect until next year sometime, I think. I could do the independent contractor thing - I did that for three years a while back. However, I really don't want to do that anymore. Who knows, I might start off that way but I hope not. I need health insurance and finances are soooo tight right now that I don't think I could do that overpriced COBRA thing. I will trust that it will all happen the way it is supposed to.

I don't blame you for wanting employment verses contractor's work. Btw, my friend is a very successful real-estate agent for First Team and has a "team" of employees working for him. If you do move out here, perhaps I could make an introduction when you are ready? You never know where it could lead.

You know, I really do have a lot of 7th house activity going on. My solar return has all that 7th house stuff happening starting in September, Progressed Venus has moved into the 7th house and is approaching Neptune (that should be interesting...) and my relocated chart for OC moves that 5th house stellium into the 7th. I still, however, refuse to entertain the notion of a relationship. The universe better comply, or else!
:13: I just don't trust men and I doubt I ever will. As you can see, I am in no particular hurry to learn to trust. I'll save that chore for my next life. Hopefully I will be smart enough to wait a long time between lives.

Maybe someone trustworthy will come along and knock your socks off when you least expect it. I still believe there are some good men out there we just have to know the birthday and time of birth first before we get involved! HAHA!

I think I have some Robert Hand books in my vast collection. I also read a lot of his articles on another astrology site. I won't post it because I know the mediators don't appreciate it and I can respect that. I will check out your link. I totally agree with your opinion about bad times coming. Pluto going through the sign of big business means changes in that sector and the changes are probably going to be difficult. Just think of how Pluto in Sag manifested. This is one of the reasons I want to be in a stable financial position in the near future. I am thinking my days of living paycheck to paycheck will (better) be over soon. Even during the worst of economic times, there are always a group of people making money. As long as I can do that in an ethical way, without causg harm to anyone else, I will be happy. Heck, that's why I went to school!

That's a very good point about people always making money. Thank God we know astrology, at least we can maximize are opportunities as we see them to combat the sinking economy. I have had many readings by Rob Hand and have a number of his books. I will have to look at some of his articles. I hope the moderators were not offended in my sending you that link on Robert Gover. If anything they ought to read his articles. ;o)

I think the democrats will take over the white house and go on a spending spree. That will cause a further decline in the economy because I don't think the party has pulled itself together. The republicans have no exciting new blood and have nothing to offer either. I am a registered independent (no big surprise, I know) and I wouldn't vote for either. We have some slim pickins this election year. I bet the country does a complete 180 in 2012 and votes conservative. By then, the neocons will probably have plenty of ammunition (but probably little more to offer.) I have very little faith in politics these days. Both parties are so corrupt and I don't think human nature will change anytime soon.

I am sure the country will vote conservative in 2012 too. It seems that it always switches back from one to the other every election unless they are elected for another term. Yes, I am sure the Democrats will definitely go on a spending spree. God forbid if we do not allow there "pork spending" and "special earmarks." I agree that both parties are very corrupt and ignore the people who voted them in and instead cater to big business and special interest. It's really disgusting.