Can this be the beginning of something else?

[FreeWing]

Hi everyone!

There is a male friend of a male friend of mine that I find quite sweet and attractive. The first time I have spoken to him was probably two months ago, and since then we talked about 5 times. But, although we are very nice with each other and the empathy is mutual (I think), we are not still at that point when we can consider us to be actually friends, because we see each other so little. I do not have his contact, nothing, I only can talk to him when he is with my friend!

So two days ago I was talking with my friend and suddenly he appears! It was such a good surprise, because I was just about to leave, but since he had arrived I stayed a little longer! :60:
He is sooooo nice, and he is soooooo cute! I think I am starting to have fantasies with him!
And when he left and gave me two kisses on the cheek I was about to die and go to heaven!

So I was wondering what did he thought of me? Can this develop into something else, like a more intimate relationship?

I am not sure what house should be represented by him. I think either 7th or 9th (11th since 11th house of my friend).

So assuming he is represented by 7th house, I am Mars and he is Venus. Venus seems pretty strong conjunting Sun in his 1st house! Is he only focused on himself right now? My significator Mars is in his 3rd house of mind and thoughts, so it seems that I am on his mind! Also, Moon is in the sign of Venus, Libra, in his 5th house fo romance! This seems pretty nice so far! Moon is also separating from Saturn, ruler of 4th house, so it can mean a separation from a past relationship of mine.

Please, help me! Thanks

Thanks!

[mojito]

Hello!

Maybe this is totally wrong from me to try for an interpretation, as I am really really really new to horary...
So, don't take me that seriously, hopefully the experienced astrologers of this forum will give you a far more accurate interpretation...I am just practising and trying to learn here...

So, the querent, you in the 1st, are in the sign of Scorpio and your ruler is Mars and Moon is your co-ruler..
The quesited, in the 7th, he is in the sign of Taurus and his ruler is Venus...

Moon and Venus are in mutual reception and Venus is dominant in your 7th house, house of relationships in general, but is combust, because of its placement so close to the Sun. It is as if it looses its power I think and in these cases, the querent doesn't see things as they are...And this is not good...
Plus there are no aspects between Venus and Mars nor Moon...This is also not good...

Mars is in your 9th H, and also his 3rd (thinking). Ruler of his 3rd H is Moon, placed in his 5th H (house of romance). Moon sextiles Mars (you) and trines Mercury (ruler of his 5th)...(These are separating aspects I think, so maybe shouldn't even taken into account)...
Plus, in your 3rd is Jupiter (ruler of your 5th and his 8th H of sex apart from other things). Jupiter trines Venus, but he is in fall in the sign of Capricorn...

So, as I see things, he thinks of you as a light hearted romance and probably that's the story for now...

But, please keep in mind that I am just a learner here and probably TOTALLY wrong...

Regards!

[wintersprite1]

Hi Freewing,

You are Mars (Lord of 1st) found in the 9th. The one aspect to Mars showing is a past recent sextile to the Moon. Since he will be the 7th house, it is interesting to see that you have been sitting there in his house of communication feeling that lack of contact has been the problem, and you are having no direct aspects from him. We can use the Moon as your Cosignificator and the general question of is there more... (with Mars/you in a past sextile... we see you have already committed to taking steps toward a relationship... lol and in the 11th house of wishes and his turned 5th.. his house of romance) The Moon is in Venus term and in sign ruled by Venus also. This turned 5th is ruled by Mercury found it it's own sign Gemini. The Moon's next aspect will be to Mercury.... so here we already see yes a few times... by aspect and reception.

Your 5th house ruler is Jupiter. Jupiter is not only weak in Capricorn but is going retrograde.. here is the same theme of lack of communication being the problem. Now the good news is that Jupiter is moving backwards toward next aspect Venus that is applying to the trine. Venus (him) is in the term of Jupiter and face of Moon. (Oooooh he sooooo likes you!)
Again another yes. The houses involved are making this a bit slower, but the planets are quick (and an Rx speeds things up too)... So, looks like you just need to find away to make contact with him, as this is the only thing dragging time.


TK

[mojito]

Thank you on my behalf wintersprite1...Its a good lesson also for me...And my apologies to FreeWing for my obviously wrong negative interpretation...Much more work has to be done by me...

Regards!

[wintersprite1]

Originally Posted by mojito

Thank you on my behalf wintersprite1...Its a good lesson also for me...And my apologies to FreeWing for my obviously wrong negative interpretation...Much more work has to be done by me...

Regards!

Don't be silly... you did awesome! You got the right Significators and stuff... it just takes practice. This is not a professional service and we all chime in as a learning process... I suspect that some other more experienced readers may find where I might have made an error. And I have made some real doozys before

TK

[archergirl]

Great efforts, guys, but the answer is a little bit different...Mojito came the closest.

Mars and the Moon represent the querent. Venus and the Sun represent Mr. X, if we use Frawleys' methods.

Venus is strongly dignified, being in domicile and angular, so Mr. X is pretty hot, but Venus is combust, weakening this dignity; so, something is amiss.

Although there are some receptions between the planets, indicating mutual attraction on some levels, there are no applying aspects, meaning that nothing will happen. No aspect, no relationship. The Moon has passed aspect to Mars, but does not translate the light to Venus. Venus and Mars are not in aspect and in fact have some negative reception. The Sun and Mars will not reach an aspect, either. The Sun would have to change signs (a prohibition) and then its first aspect is to square Saturn (a huge prohibition); nor will the Moon and any of 'his' planets meet. Venus would have to go combust and then change signs to meet Mars: again, this is a prohibition. Nothing can perfect in this chart.

Venus and the Sun being in the 7th, his house, means he is more interested in himself. Also, Venus in the 7th usually indicates someone else in the background, anyway, like another relationship.

The Moon being placed in the 11th is more of an indication that this is a friendship, nothing more.

All this turning of houses and bringing other houses (like the 3rd and 5th) into the reading aren't especially necessary and can obviously confuse things. The key to horary is 'keep it simple'. This is a classic 'Will we be together' sort of question; the nub of the question is the action between the 1st and 7th houses and the Moon, nothing else. As I mentioned earlier, no aspect: no together, despite the reception.

Reception = interest.
Applying aspects = action.

Cheers,
AG

[barbh]

Hi AG

A question - if Venus represents Mr X. and Venus is in the 7th, how could Venus represent someone else in the background if it represents him? I was thinking maybe the Sun represented someone else, simply because its conjunct him, and not the primary ruler of the 7th??

and, you mentioned

As I mentioned earlier, no aspect: no together, despite the reception.

Reception = interest.
Applying aspects = action.

Is this always the case? What if there was great reception between them, but no aspects? I think the fact that venus doesn't even like mars, (detriment) points to a no as well, but what if it were say, exalted or something??


thanks
barb

[archergirl]

Hi Barbh,

Good questions.

One has to look at a horary chart on multiple levels. Venus is the significator of Mr. X. BUT, Venus is also the significator of 'relationships' in general, and in this chart Venus (ruler of relationships) is in the 7th house (house of relationships). So on one hand, Mr. Venus in his own house means he is primarily thinking of himself; on the other hand, Venus in the 7th house can also mean that the 7th house person is in another relationship. If Venus were in the 1st or Mars in the 7th, it wouldn't have the same implications.

The Sun as his co-ruler in this chart, so close to Venus, also points to this: you are 100% correct. 'Someone' is occupying the 7th house, and Venus can't move past them.

Aspects are always key to 'action' in a chart. Frawley says it best:

Dignity shows power to act. Reception shows inclination to act. Aspect shows occasion to act. The Horary Textbook p 43

So you can have very dignified planets (like Venus in domicile and angular) who have the power to act; and you have receptions between the planets, such as the Moon and Venus in this chart. BUT, unless there is an applying aspect between the planets, there is no *opportunity* to act. Frawley (on the same page) gives us an example:

The aspect is an important part of judgement, but it is only a part. What the aspect provides is the occasion for an event to take place. No occasion: no event. That is clear enough: but we can have an occasion without an event, or without the event turning out as we wish. We have the occasion: I ask her to marry me; but she can't stand me, so she says 'No'.

This is where receptions and dignity come in.

In this chart, it is the opposite of Frawley's example. We have the receptions and some lopsided dignity (meaning here that Mr. Venus would have the power to act, not Ms. Mars, as Mars is peregrine), but no aspects. For this reason, we might extrapolate that they like one another to varying levels, but there is no 'occasion' for them to get together.

Cheers,
AG