Where do I find a biological father I've never met?

[Wilmingtonian]

I found another thread about where to find mother/father and the different theories and it seems this is a more passionate topic than I had imagined.

Now I would have thought that Cancer/Moon being the natural ruler of the 4th house would signify that this is the place to find the mother and since Capricorn/Saturn is the natural ruler of the 10th house, that would be the place to find the father.... But I read in the other thread that they are either a) opposite to my assumption, or b) it depends on which parent had the heavier influence.

If option b is correct, I'm in a bind. I don't have any idea who my biological father is. As a matter of fact, I thought my "step-dad" was my bio-dad until I was 27 because he raised me and he's listed on my birth certificate. (long story) My biological father had no influcence on me at all other than the obvious. Now I'd like to learn about him.

Any suggestions?

[Wilmingtonian]

Wow... popular thread.

So, I've decided to go with Lilly on this one

The Fourth House Giveth judgement of fathers in general and ever of his father that enquires, or that is born;

In my case Aquarius is on the cusp of the 4th; Uranus is exalted in the 1st house in Scorpio.

Uranus is aspected all over the place.

• Sextile Mercury in Virgo in 10th house
• Trine Mars/Jupiter in Cancer in 9th house
• According to Astrodienst, it's conjunct Moon, but that's one heck of a loose conjunction.

I don't know what this tells me or where I should even start....

[Miss Saturn]

It is very difficult this one. I use the 4th for father now although I used to think it was the 10th. You can look at your Sun aspects as well. The only similar cases to yours I can think of astrologically was Marilyn Monroe who did not know her father at all. And Paula Yates a British celebrity, I forgot the details now with her but she thought someone else was her dad like you and it turned out to be some other man. Marilyn has Saturn in 4th Scorpio, and Paula Yates had Sun square Neptune I think.

I am not sure how much you can tell from the chart with this, as we just read symbols. And you have still had a male influence in your life, but he is not your biological father. Maybe others will have better answers, and can help .

[Alice McDermott]

Originally Posted by Wilmingtonian

I found another thread about where to find mother/father and the different theories and it seems this is a more passionate topic than I had imagined.

Now I would have thought that Cancer/Moon being the natural ruler of the 4th house would signify that this is the place to find the mother and since Capricorn/Saturn is the natural ruler of the 10th house, that would be the place to find the father.... But I read in the other thread that they are either a) opposite to my assumption, or b) it depends on which parent had the heavier influence.

If option b is correct, I'm in a bind. I don't have any idea who my biological father is. As a matter of fact, I thought my "step-dad" was my bio-dad until I was 27 because he raised me and he's listed on my birth certificate. (long story) My biological father had no influcence on me at all other than the obvious. Now I'd like to learn about him.

Any suggestions?

Wilmingtonian

Here are some suggestions:
1. If either your 4th or 10th house contains Uranus, Neptune * or Pluto I would suggest that is the house connected to your biological father.

2. Alternatively if either house cusp has a close aspect to one of these planets (including septiles, quintiles, quindeciles and noviles), then that would be the house to use.

3. If either the 4th house or 10th has its ruler in aspect to one of these planets, then that is the house.

4. If the ruler of the 4th or the 10th is in the 12th house, then that is the house.

5. If the ruler of the 12th house is in either the 4th or 10th house, then that is the house.

In stories like yours I have found that two or three of the above rules occur.

I have had success finding lost relatives using planetary directions on the astrocartography maps.

* Neptune is the planet that often describes a mystery connected to parentage, but Uranus and Pluto are also consistent players.

Alice

[Alice McDermott]

p.s. Do you want to share your birthdata? It might be interesting to have a look.

Alice

[Wilmingtonian]

Thanks, Alice. I would love help with this.

I was born 9/17/77 at 10:13am in Erie, PA, USA.

Neither my 4th nor my 10th have the planets you listed. But Pluto being in my 12th might explain part of the mystery?

My 4th house ruler is Uranus. And my 12th house ruler (Venus) is in the 10th house.

I don't have the slightest clue who he is or even if he's still alive.

[waybread]

Wilmingtonian, I am not sure how you would use astrology to find your biological father, although Alice's ideas look pretty good. If you have birth data for him [[via some basic records searches or Mom], even without an accurate time, you could probably learn something about his personality--and his own inner challenges in being a parent. I think your chart can say something about your experiences of your missing father. I have read that Saturn in the 12th can indicate a father who is either missing, or who is not available to the "native" in some way. If you can learn your biodad's name, you can also see if any asteroids have his name--sometimes a cognate name [like one with a variant spelling or in a different language] will work, but not always. But sometimes a parent's "personal asteroid" will hit one of your natal planets, as a way of saying something about your own experiences.

One other thing you could try are derivative [derived] house methods. Have you ever used them? This gets a bit tricky, but with a day-birth, Dad might be your 4th house. So then, if you want to know about your bio-dad's money/belongings, say, in a day birth, you'd look at your 2nd house from the 4th, or your 5th house. This gets tricky because some astrologers give the father of a man as the 10th house, but you could try both houses and see what works.

Good luck in your pursuit!

[Alice McDermott]

Originally Posted by Wilmingtonian

Thanks, Alice. I would love help with this.

I was born 9/17/77 at 10:13am in Erie, PA, USA.

Neither my 4th nor my 10th have the planets you listed. But Pluto being in my 12th might explain part of the mystery?

My 4th house ruler is Uranus. And my 12th house ruler (Venus) is in the 10th house.

I don't have the slightest clue who he is or even if he's still alive.

HI Wilmington

Yes, I also think Pluto conjunct North Node in the 12th house might have something to do with it but... Pluto is opposing Eris and in square to Mars, not a very pleasant combination so perhaps it is best that he is missing.

You also have a Chiron-Sedna conjunction, wihich, if it describes your father, it suggests that there is something unusual or different about him. Roy McKinnon says that Sedna describes things that are "not of this world". It can also describe a cruel father (e.g. Josef Fritzl who has Sedna conjunct Sun exactly), but that is not necessarily the case. As the 7th house describes one of the grandparents (4th from 4th, 10th from 10th) it could fit one of these.

If Pluto-North Node describes him, then it is likely he is not in the USA as the 12th house often indicates living in foreign lands (4th from 9th). It also indicates that he or his parents may have come from a foreign place.

Using Solar Maps we can follow the Pluto planetary direction line to to Australia, near Rockhampton and Bundaberg in Queensland, and then through the desert areas of NSW and South Australia. Pluto also crosses the Node-IC line and the Pluto-IC line in the New Hebrides - where there are some nice litle luxury places. Going in the other direction we can follow it through to Africa where, on the border of Gambia and Senegal, it crosses your Node-MC line and in Guinea crosses your Pluto-MC line.

If Venus, ruler of 12th, conjunct Saturn, ruler of 4th, is the significator, this can also describe the separation. The Venus-Saturn direction line runs through Indonesia, up through Alaska and Canada and then down through Brazil.

The North Node planetary direction line crosses the Venus-Saturn MC line in Greenland. Venus-Saturn crosses the Node-Ascendant line in Canada.

If Uranus describes him then there is a strong planetary crossing of Uranus-Ascendant, Uranus planetary direction and Node planetary direction lines just off the coast of New York.

I use the Moon's Nodes lines as these describe family connections.

I have successfully used this method to help find people in the past, but I always had more information e.g. race, original birthplace, interests etc. so it is a little harder with your father. Anyway it might give some guidelines. Also a good psychic may be of help. Some psychics can pinpoint the correct place if given a map and a few guidelines. Perhaps you could use these astrological guidelines to start with.

Alice

[Wilmingtonian]

That's brilliant, thank you! I think you're probably right about him being either overseas or a foreigner. I look... ethnic. But I can't seem to pin it down any more than that. I'm asked all the time, "You look exotic, what nationality are you?" I even had a hair dresser tell me that based on my hair, "You're definitely not completely caucasian." It seems strange to be hung up on this, but I really need to know "what I am".

If I go to psychic, I'll take a copy of your post with me. Hopefully it will give us a good starting place.

[vikoza]

Hi Wilmingtonian,
I think that Sun is the biological father and Saturn the father who raised you.

[lillyjgc]

Well, I spent my whole life trying to find my biological father. The best I could get was a name and a picture taken from a book he wrote that just happened to be in a public library I visited...no birthdate, no death date.
I too have spent many years trying to find information about him in my Natal chart.
If I look at my h4 cusp I have pisces there and the ruler jupiter in h8.If I use modern rules I can say Neptune, ruler of h4 is in h10-the house I use to represent my Mother, and for all of my life she refused to give me any information about my father, and lied about it more times than I care to remember.
If we take the Sun to represent my father, or any fathers, I see the sun in my tenth (mother's house)..in Libra..
The Father who *raised me* was a sun Leo.My Saturn is in h11 in scorpio, receiving no ill aspects yet he was an abusive man who made my life hell, so Saturn doesnt seem to *fit right* describing my stepfather.

Alice, I was most interested in examining your points to see if they could be applied to my own chart:

1. If either your 4th or 10th house contains Uranus, Neptune * or Pluto I would suggest that is the house connected to your biological father.

In my case neptune's in h10- this would give mercury as significator for my father if i was to accept that h10 relates to my biological father and not h4 as i have been using for a while now, in traditional fashion.


2. Alternatively if either house cusp has a close aspect to one of these planets (including septiles, quintiles, quindeciles and noviles), then that would be the house to use.
h10 cusp receives a novile from neptune.

3. If either the 4th house or 10th has its ruler in aspect to one of these planets, then that is the house.

Both cusp rulers (h4/H10) are in aspect to Neptune and Uranus.

4. If the ruler of the 4th or the 10th is in the 12th house, then that is the house.

No help there-..Ruler of H4 is in H8 and ruler of h10 is in h10.

5. If the ruler of the 12th house is in either the 4th or 10th house, then that is the house.

No

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* Neptune is the planet that often describes a mystery connected to parentage, but Uranus and Pluto are also consistent players.

Both are key players in my case. H4 ruler, jupiter is in h8 square h10 ruler. H10 ruler is in h10 square h4 ruler!

No matter how I try to view the chart, Neptune's heavy presence in h10 has caused obfuscation.
If I was to play *Guess the sun sign* from the one pic I have, I'd say Scorpio, and that would link to my saturn in scorpio but without a birthdate i am flying blind and as i believe he has been buried overseas i am unlikely to get one.
Thanks for all the above useful and interesting information.
Cheers
Lillyjgc