Is there any hope of resolution with my mum?

waterlilly · #1 04-13-2008, 09:26 AM

Hi I know i should be able to draw some conclusions myself but i'm so hurt by this.

Please can someone tell me if there is any hope of sorting out this devastation with my mum?

I just don't know what to do?

lillyjgc · #2 04-13-2008, 10:25 AM

Waterlilly,
I see in this chart you, the ascendant are ruled by the moon (cancer being there).
There is mars close to the ascendant. You are angry/hurt and maybe feeling very emotionally charged, as indicated by this placement.
The moon, also representing you, is on h2 cusp- your self worth in this instance.

Your mother is signified by H10 cusp-ruled by jupiter, pisces being there and the unpredictable uranus residing in her house of self.
Her ruler, Jupiter, is (not surprisingly?) in your seventh house-of open/known enemies and if we look closely mars and jupiter apply to a full on opposition.!(more to come?)

Jupiter and mars are both strengthened by being on the angles but they are not strong by sign. Mars is not nearly as strong in cancer as it is in capricorn. Jupiter is exalted in cancer and in Fall in cap- so neither significator is on its best behaviour.I have heard that the mars/jupiter opposition can be described as *Jacob wrestling with God*...A tug of war that no one can win-because both planets are in signs they don't belong.
I see the asc is ruled by a cardinal sign-indicating that this situation can change but only after a long time has gone by.

In the tenth house, your mother's first, is also venus, but in mars' sign!Your ruler, the moon applies a trine to that venus, in *8* somethings- I see the moon is in a fixed sign, and newly there, so this could be *years* in fact, but as the moon is a fast moving body maybe it could be *months*.
I see Jupiter, your mother's ruler, is void-of course and will go retrograde in the not too distant future (already slowing down).This ruler sits in your mom's *turned* 10th...ruled by saturn-which to me indicates she is under the care of doctors.Saturn sits in her turned sixth house of health and Saturn is in mercury's sign, with mercury heading for combustion with the sun in your mom's second house (her self worth).

The moon applies a trine to venus, then quite some time later a trine to mercury and the sun but the moon will also cross the south node and oppose neptune before it advances to a conjunction with saturn.(the dr?).
In other words it may be hard to get to the heart/truth of the matter and fated (nodal) events come into play also.

Judging from the chart, waterlilly, things may change a little between you but as you say there may not be sufficient time.
Look to your own health as jupiter is ruler of your unwellness in this chart-so feelings to do with this matter may be affecting your physical health adversely.
In healing a *situation*, one must look to oneself to heal *that* part of the equation..Mars being in the first indicates its you who must take action.With mars approaching the opposition to jupiter, it looks like a *cut* that needs to be made- a radical *letting go* of the struggle between you.

Mars (you) will be out of Fall long before jupiter (your mom) is so it is you who can move your life forward. The moon is ruling you so dealing with emotions would not be easy under these circumstances, but grief is far less damaging to you than anger is so let the tears flow free ....then let it go.
All the very best Water....
Lillyjgc

waterlilly · #3 04-13-2008, 10:52 AM

My god...
I don't know what to say...

I'm so sad that it has to be this way and i'm scared of whatg this all means for me, my family and the future.

Thanks lilly for you sensativity and concern.

I don't know what else i can say

starlink · #4 04-13-2008, 06:30 PM

Dear Waterlilly, I am really sorry to hear you are so unhappy at the moment.
I find it difficult to judge this chart as I am a bit in the dark as to what really happened. Is it a fight you had with your mother, or is it concerning the health of your mother which is also indicated here in the chart. I need a little more information in order to be able to give you an anwer. If you dont want to give it in the public Forum, feel free to PM me. I wish you lots of strength with, what is obviously a very trying time for you. Cheers, Starlink

waterlilly · #5 04-13-2008, 06:59 PM

Hi Starlink I hope you are well.

I don't know anymore star. My mother is turning into a completely diffrent person. I mean I feel like i no longer recognise her. Maybe she's frightened of dying. Frightened of being ill. I just don't know. I wrote her a letter trying to explain this situation and it's affects on me and her.

I think i'll send it tomorrow. But, there's apart of me that doesn't know if this is just one of her many scorpio games. Since i did stop talking with her three years ago. It feels like she waits...then strikes with venom. It doesn't help that i have a temper too. I just need her to know i love her and that i know she tried her best. Before it's all to late.

I spoke to one of her dearest friends earlier and she's cut her off too. I don't know what i want to find out really starlink. anything that could insight would be most welcome

starlink · #6 04-13-2008, 08:13 PM

OK WL, I will have a better look at this for you. I dont know what the illness of your mother is about, but if it should be Alzheimer , then it is very possible that her character is changing. I have seen that a lot, with my own mother as well. They feel really helpless and that angers them no end, hence their attitude towards others. But maybe your mom has another problem. I will look at the chart tomorrow. I am going to bed now. Hold tight! Starlink

waterlilly · #7 04-13-2008, 08:36 PM

Thanks starlink.

I don't know if it's her mind. But, she hasn't looked after her diabetes in 10 years. It's like this is all self abuse, self harm.

In addition, her hip is playing up and she has to go to the hospital to try this new steriod injection on the 22th/4/08.

she doesn't look very ill but, she certainly does not look well. maybe the diabetes will cause something to happen. I just know i have to stay out of her way. I cannot take having another row/ fight and being made to feel that i killed her because, of all this stress.

night star

starlink · #8 04-14-2008, 02:28 PM

Waterlilly, I PM'd you as you know. Whatever your mother accuses you of, dont take that too serious or personal. She is probably very desperate herself. How could you possibly be responsible for her illness or killing her because of stress. She is possibly causing the stress herself and projects all her frustration on you. So try to take your distance from that.
Now to the chart.

I would take the question to be: will my mother and I reconcile (be together again in a harmonious way in other words).

You are the Moon and Mars as co-significator as he is so close to your Asc.
You are quite angry, and you feel like saying this to her. You are thinking of writing her a letter, Sun rules your 3rd house and Mercury is the natural ruler of that house. But be careful. Mercury is combust and Mars is going to square both, so what you have to say can be interpreted the wrong way and come back to you (Sun/Merc are ruled by Mars and is in your 1st house).
It can also show the difficulty (square) you have in writing this letter.

Your mother is signified by Jupiter in fall, Uranus weak in Pisces and Venus in fall. Jupiter being the main significator is found in your 7th, her 10th.
Here also I can see that that letter will not solve anything. Mercury will square Jupiter and Sun just squared Jupiter, probably showing the last argument you had with her.
Mars will oppose Jupiter, so you want contact with her, but it is going to be very difficult because of the opposition.
You can see that she recently changed as Jupiter just sextiled Uranus.

What does she think about your letter? Her dispositor is Saturn retro in your 3rd house. She is thinking it over and it could transform her ideas about the situation (trine Pluto). I also think that her illness as well as her relationship with you will improve as soon as Mercury will enter Taurus and trine Saturn from there. Saturn by then will have gone direct, also showing an improvement in her illness. (Saturn is in her 6th house).
When Saturn was still in Leo, the opposition to Neptune could have made the illness situation very confusing, but Saturn has left that opposition now and will move on.

Note that Jupiter is in term of Mars. You do care for her. Now Jupiter and Mars are both accidentally dignified, but both are weak in their signs, so it will take a while before things will get better between the two of you.
Mars is in the exhaltation sign of Jupiter, so she cares very much for you actually, but because of her physical state at the moment, she cannot bring that across as she should. Give her a bit of space and time to come around.

I dont know of course if the situation between you both has always been stressed or that it is only since she got ill. That will also have an impact on these matters of course.

For the moment I do not see any improvement. End of the matter ruler Mercury is combust, but given a couple of weeks, I think the situation might improve.

You hope things will be settled before your mother should die some day. Venus rules her 8th house and is in fall in Aries, so the "death" is very weak and therefore not so threatening. She might live longer than you expect!

Just keep on showing that you care and love her, dont get angry or let yourself go in a moment of anger. She will feel that.

All the very best, Starlink

waterlilly · #9 04-14-2008, 04:25 PM

Thanks starlink so much.

This makes sense. I have written the letter but, I felt i should not send it yet. I still have much to add & want to address it in the right way.

I'm going to give her space too, let her think things through. I think she has enough to go on. since so much was said during the row.

Thank you for taking the time to look over this

I have felt very supported in this matter. Maybe this is my wounding/ Blessing

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Radu · #11 04-23-2008, 05:55 AM

Hi

A few ideas on the chart: the significators are clearly set - the Moon for you, Jupiter for your mother.

Look at their reception: nothing positive. Jupiter is in Moon's detriment sign (you don't like your mother), the Moon isn't in any Jupiter dignity - you're kind of indifferent to your mother right now. But see how the Moon left Cancer recently, which is Jupiter's exaltation? Whatever happened or you did, you just left a situation in which your mother considered you in high regard.

Letters are naturally signified by Mercury and it applies by square to Jupiter with no reception, therefore sending your letter will likely not have a good outcome but only hit a wall and possibly spark some more conflict So my advice is not to send it.

Try not to do anything that could further enflame the relationship in particular control your temper ! - the Mars - Jupiter opposition is a particularly enflaming aspect.

Go for kind words, polite courteous manners and positive emotions - represented by the Moon-Venus trine = this is the only chance right now.

waterlilly · #12 04-23-2008, 06:31 AM

Hi Radu and thanks.

Your right I spend alot of my time not liking her but i love her deeply. If i'm honest Radu I think that she truly feels the same. I don't know why this has got so deeply entrenched in our responses to each other. maybe looking at her natal would explain more. I'll post it if anyones intrested...

thanks for your insight