Venus conjunct Pluto

goldenchild · #1 03-30-2008, 09:47 PM

I have a Venus-Pluto conjunction, with Venus in Libra in the 5th house and Pluto in Scorpio in the 6th house. My Sun sign is in Scorpio in 6th house and also conjuncts Pluto, if that helps any.

I just want to know if having such a conjunction will warp my sissy Libran Venus and turn it into something more like a Venus in Scorpio? I'm thinking since both Venus and Pluto are in their ruling signs, that adds to the power of this aspect?

I also have Mars in Libra which I know is not good, but with my Venus also in Libra, and since Mars is diposited through Venus which in turns conjuncts my Scorpion Pluto, that may mitigate some of the lukewarm quality of my Libran Mars?

As you can tell, I really dislike having my Venus and Mars in Libra! What's the point of being a Scorpio when you have Venus in Mars in such a "weak" sign?!

Thanks for your replies!

PS - Here's my chart:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/234...alchartro1.jpg

Jilly · #2 03-30-2008, 10:05 PM

Hey, I have Mars in Libra too. Also a Scorpio, and you have my commiserations about the Libra stuff. Woosey.. yikes:60: If the other two are in their planets, they will colour the effect so don't give up just yet. Librans, an acquired taste...so nice, polite, sociable, and graceful. :38: :38: :38:

Jeremy · #3 03-30-2008, 10:44 PM

It's kind of 'Sun in Scorpio' to consider Venus as 'weak' in Libra: actually, there is no other placement for Venus that allows it to exercise such effortless power; and whilst you might consider Libra to be a weak sign, just treat a Libran unjustly; they'll give any Scorpio a run for their money when they're motivated, except you won't even know you've been put in your place, because it will be done with such finesse!

Venus in Scorpio, by contrast is not the easiest placement; too much confusion between love and sex and a need to dominate the love interest (in the lower vibration of course), it's a difficult sign for Venus to express itself in; you ought to be glad that you have Venus in Libra.

Although, it's not untypical of Scorpio to think that love and power are interchangeable commodities; in theory, a Mars in Libra conjunct Venus in Libra will tend to whichever has most support; typically Venus; with your Sun in Scorpio it might well tip the balance in Mars' direction though, thus you might find it hard to let Venus do her best work, if you really believe that Libra is a weak placement for Venus, then I think that rather answers itself

wouldn't you say! I say Pluto has more influence on you than you might imagine.

Peace,
Jeremy

Why not post a chart?

Svencanz · #4 03-31-2008, 12:41 AM

Goldenchild,

Jeremy has raised some great points. Without you posting the chart, or at least listing the orbs for the aspects, it gets a bit hit and miss.
The answer will also vary a bit depending on if you are male or female.

Scorpio women will, before they integrate, choose weak men as partners - and then resent them for being weak.
Scorpio men have an "interesting" separation process to untangle themselves from their mother, who looms large in their mind.

A person with a Venus-Pluto aspect tend to "love power," but may not excell at the "power to love."
You have spoken about your resentment for the weak, and if that is true, you are likely to spend quite a bit of time fighting weakness "out there" - and in the worst case, this can lead to this external, projected "ultra strong" person coming back to truly acquaint yourself with your denied weakness.

Having said that, hating parts of yourself now and then is not necessarily bad - just don't get stuck in it.

Like Jeremy said, Venus in Libra is great.

I can also tell you that Libra is the sign of the General, as opposed to Aries which would be the sign of the soldier. Who would you rather be?

Arian Maverick · #5 03-31-2008, 01:11 AM

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I can also tell you that Libra is the sign of the General, as opposed to Aries which would be the sign of the soldier. Who would you rather be?

Hey, watch it, Sven!

I must agree that I am somewhat confused by your disappointment of having Venus in Libra, in the house of its joy to boot!

Svencanz and Jeremy both made some very good points--with the possibly exception of Sven's soldier comment--so I will not elaborate upon what they have both said. I too believe you underestimate the power of Libra, especially of the Libra-Scorpio combination, which I believe can be more dangerous than Scorpio alone. Force alone can rarely help one achieve one's goals, but subtle force coupled with Libran diplomacy certainly can.

Arian Maverick

Svencanz · #6 03-31-2008, 01:51 AM

I'll just soldier on, then.
Honestly, astrology should not be used to promote war.

I do, however, have a background as a soldier, in both army and navy, and as a martial artist. I have Sun para Mars para Neptune: literally long-term warrior. My father was also in military intelligence - if there is such a thing.

I never made it to general though, only sergeant

I will, however, outline the "officer" aspect of Libra. Aries is the primary impulse of creation, which in Taurus meets the first "split" of evolutionary consciouness; it then gets modulated by the signs in order.
While Taurus contains the seed of the split, it is not until we get to Libra thet we meet the first opposition. For the first time, the "not-I" is consciously taken into the equation, which is why "social adaptation" is such a big thing for Libra. I am one, and I am still working on it...

Aries-Libra is thus about Mars energy meeting its balance in Venus - I have the opposition, so I know a bit about this one also. Archetypally, the Warrior and the Lover are often connected, just as the King and the Magician are connected. However, the Aries-Libra axis also contains the shadow aspect, or the unbalanced mode. The professional officer soldier (Aries) needs to take other people, society (Libra) into account. He does not fight alone, but his temper (Mars) is balanced against the other (Libra).
Libra is also a "cold" sign, an air sign - despite being ruled by Venus. It relates to the Sword suit in Tarot, and it is "weighing up" rather than acting from the passion of Aries.
If you really want to see an angry person, look for a Libra blowing their top. Social dictates or ideas about those can make the Libra harbour resentments for ages, until they blow.
The better version would be to remain balanced, of course.

The actual aspect of the general is considered to be the Jupiter trine or sextile Venus; and I have seen this work.
The Magi Society also denotes "victory in war" as a rulership of Venus, which certainly fits with Libra being an "officer" sign.
Libra is the only sign in the zodiac not to have a living thing in its image; and this is another clue to the detachment of Libra. Paradoxically, the sign of Libra can be quite detached while appearing not to be - due to social conditioning.

I'd say a few lumps of Libra with that Scorpio energy would be great.

Svencanz · #7 03-31-2008, 03:04 AM

And - Oh I forgot.

The reason the pound weight is abbreviated "lb" is because it comes from libra. Roman soldiers used to have their pound of salt weighed on scales.

strangeronearth · #8 03-31-2008, 05:45 AM

Trust me, by having that Venus in Libra instead of Scorpio you've dodged some MAJOR psychological bullets. My Venus and Pluto are chillin RIGHT next to each other (an orb of .9' degrees) in Scorpio and I can assure you that it doesn't make you feel any more powerful. If anything, it encourages a sense of desperation and emptiness. I'd much rather have my Venus in a light, extroverted element and not in painfully introverted, watery, complicated Scorpio. Not to mention Venus is at home in Libra and detriment in Scorpio. Not bad necessarily, but not so desirable either.

I usually have more sexual energy than I know what to do with, and it repeatedly manifests itself as self-destructive/addictive behavior. Sometimes I cant even believe that I'm still alive. LIFE is NEVER satisfying enough for me and I just don't feel like other people. I feel very intense ALL the time. With that conjunction you can probably relate. Anyway, um, it's not cool.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi...s6-u1139082481

goldenchild · #9 03-31-2008, 08:08 AM

Thanks again for everyone's kind replies. I especially like what was said about Libra being the sign of the "General"

I'm a woman, by the way.

I have to say I'm not very knowledgeable about astrology. Everything I've learned has been from looking up information about every little bit of my natal chart.

I like to compare my chart with that of the very successful throughout history (especially other Scorpio Suns) and it just seems to me that the ones who have made the greatest impact in the world (through typical Scorpionic traits like obsession and perseverance) had more than their Sun in Scorpio. That leads me to think that in order to succeed you need at least one inner planet in Scorpio... and I have none.

Also, my idol, Marie Curie, with whom I share a birthdate, had Mars and Venus in Scorpio and I guess I've somehow associated her having both planets in Scorpio as one of the main factors behind her incredible success (winning two Nobel prizes, etc.)

I don't know. Am I wrong in my thinking? I mean, after all, I've read that Venus and Mars are relationship/romance planets and only influence how you behave in love.

And strangeronearth, I totally envy your Mercury and Venus in Scorpio! I guess it does get very intense, but the flip side of it is having all that creative potential that comes with having such a rich emotional life. I'd still trade my Libran Venus for a Scorpio any day if it means I will be more predisposed to success.

But regardless...like it or not, I know I'm stuck with my natal chart, so I do try to concentrate on the particular character traits I admire and try to cultivate them in myself.

PS - I edited my original post to include my natal chart. Here it is again:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/234...alchartro1.jpg

Jeremy · #10 03-31-2008, 12:24 PM

I don't think it is so much of a coincidence that you idolise Marie Curie, with Jupiter in Aquarius (success in science) and an Aquarius Midheaven, it is quite straightforward, not so much to do with your Scorpio. Scorpio is a good quality in a scientist of course because it is the natural investigator, getting to the very bottom of things and discovering life's deepest secrets. Your Scorpio is all 6th house, concerned with work, health and daily routine. Your Sun denotes how you idealise power, which is in Scorpio and you also have plenty of Sagittarius influence governing your speech and descending, very fiery all in all; but for me the true tone of your chart cannot be judged entirely without considering Chiron rising. People with Chiron in the first often feel that they somehow lack personal strength and power even though they project it so well to others. This - reading between the lines of your posts thus far - comes across very strongly to me; you seem very self-assured and Martial in expression, and yet you seem to harbour a lot of doubt about your power, and you evidently crave more. Interesting

Your Jupiter is well placed for science and higher learning in general by the way.

Just a few thoughts from another Libran general

Jeremy

memento mori · #11 03-31-2008, 12:36 PM

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Venus in Scorpio, by contrast is not the easiest placement; too much confusion between love and sex and a need to dominate the love interest (in the lower vibration of course), it's a difficult sign for Venus to express itself in; you ought to be glad that you have Venus in Libra.

I couldn't agree more. I have Venus in sco conjunct pluto and it *****

. loads of powerstruggle, attraction to destructive, sort of all or nothing policy... in my head libran venus is so much easier, more natural. VEnus is in detriment in scorpio after all.

Big acomplishments usually come from some sort of sacrifising. I dunno how eager should u be about that

When I look at her chart the Scorpio Mc & stellium is something i would immidietly connect with chemestry. But if u wanna be that extrordinary u just need to find something ur own that u can concquer. I saw many charts of great ppl . u know, the thing i think that made them most sucessfull is their drive to sucess. actualising the potential. so all u need to do is find that potential and use it the most u can. ur nto stuck with ur chart ur stuck being u , make the most of it. The only thing i dont like about ur chart is mars square neptune [i've got it 2] ... other then that its pretty much ok. at least to me.

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I don't know. Am I wrong in my thinking? I mean, after all, I've read that Venus and Mars are relationship/romance planets and only influence how you behave in love.

Things I've learned wouldn't agree with this. Since my confidence in my astro knowlidge is pretty low i figured i'd quote

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The Planet Venus rules over a woman's sense of style, her appreciation of art and culture and how she approaches romance. It dictates our attractions and who finds us attractive. It also governs our attitudes toward finances and material possessions.

Mars can be connected to competitivness, impulsivness, battle things and ofcourse passion.

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