Please Comment on my Chart

[Jrsaman]

Any help would be helpfull
Here is my Chart.

[danny99star]

was your health very bad when you were young? and even now, I don't think it is good either.

not optimistical about your marriage. Didn't receive good education in your early time...diligent at work though

[Jrsaman]

I accually have been relativly Healthy all my life.
I have a Great Marriage to a PERFECT woman (9years)if the marriage doesnt work out it will be my fault.
Anyone see anything?

[danny99star]

sorry about my reading. If you are sure that your natal chart is correct, I am really confused. I have my reason - the ruler of the sixth house falls in the 1st, and was not aspected well - squared to Neptune and opposed to Venus/Jupiter. No offense to you. Solely from chart reading's perspective, I can't believe a native with this chart could have a good health, especially in childhood. And if you look at the stuffed seventh house. it is like a battlefield of five planets. It would definitely bring a lot of uncertainty into your marriage. I can't believe the placement of Uranus/Pluto and the bad-aspected Venus/Jupiter would bring stability to a marriage.

can anyone share some perspective here? I give up.

[Jrsaman]

I was pigeontoed young and had to wear glasses I broke a few bones and took a few falls but no health problems.
Same as in adulthood a few accidents and injuries but No Health problems....knock on wood.

I would say my marriage has been challenging but not overly so.
She is a Libra Rising Libra Sun.With a 8th house Taurus Moon and a stellium of planets in Scorpio in the second house.
She is also 9 years younger than me.

We are complete opposites (She is very conservative)but we have made it work.My adoration for the opposite sex would be the only stumbling block that I could possibly foresee.

I got married during my Saturn Return and she is just completeing hers.
Both of them were good times in our lives.

[danny99star]

just noticed that you have your chart in each of your replies...no offense, but it makes me dizzy...

took another look at your chart and did some meditation, hehe. Back to the health issue, your eighth house ruler (mercury) falls in the eighth house. It is a strong and good position for your health and this placement usually indicates good shape through your lifetime and natural death. However, mercury is opposed to Saturn, which is the twelfth house ruler. It is not a good sign...

i would say you enjoy cuisine (maybe not the cooking part). You like food very much and be careful that you could have a weight problem.

you are a man of ambition and in your career, you tend to form partnership with people. You seek success and is very optimistic about yout career. You can probably gain much profit from investment or partnership with people. I also think Your wife is from a family with good background...

[Jrsaman]

I have always battled my weight Im currently doing well on Atkins diet have lost over 40 lbs.
I do love food and do not like to cook it.
Do feel like Im in good Health.
Ive accually never been that ambitious to be quite honest,always had hopes and dreams (which usually came true).
The Mars on my mid heaven gives me a more combative personality at work more than being ambtious.
My wife who is a absolute Gem.
Moral,Respectfull,Loving and Loyal.
But I wouldnt say she came from a good family.Her mother was a brutal Alcoholic and Left her Father (after we got married) for her late sisters husband.
My wife hasnt spoken to her mother basically since our wedding(9yrs)

[Narcissus]

I'm not sure if the sixth ruler lies in first house really gives a poor health status, but I guess you are rather an emotional person? I think sometimes you could be over sensitive and getting upset easily upon your job.

The partnership meant a lot to you, did you change a lot after she came into your life, in a a good way? I guess you've learnt a lot from her. However, on a certain level I think there might be some difficulties in your sex life, and because of the opposition brought by Saturn, challenges arise in this area make both of you rather keep it silent . There may be some unspoken secrets between both of you, and neither of you would speak it out, for the fear of hurting the relationship. In some cases communication could be a problem, you are being too defensive when it comes to arguements and you chose to criticize and bend the truth to defend yourself. You are an idealist and having high expectations towards your marriage, but you get upset easily when things are out of your expectations or out of your control.

I was wondering if your wife is the dominance in the family and you play the nurturing role?

Relax, you're getting too tensed sometimes


Pardon me if I read it wrongly, for I'm still a learner

Cheers
Enid

[Jrsaman]

Narcissus
That is a very good reading.
Thank you, much of that rang true.
I say keep studying you have much promise in this science.

[Narcissus]

Thank you

My level is not high enough to give you some useful help.
Btw, you said your wife has geminian qualities which I think you're so lucky to have chosen someone matches you that well. You both have good communication skills and I am sure the minor problems within could be solved with faith. May the luck be with you and your wife

[wilsontc]

Jrsaman,

I would have responded earlier, but was unable to see your chart on my browser. You have most of your planets focused in the top right of your chart, indicating that you take what you know about others and do things for them in the outer world.

You have a bucket chart. According to Tracy Marks of The Art of Astrological Chart Interpretation:

Bowl pattern - "All planets fall within 180 degrees (or a maximum of 190 degrees) and on one side of an opposition, and no more than 60 degrees or two houses of the occupied portion of the chart are empty"

Bucket pattern - "...a bowl pattern with a handle...a planet or two closely conjunct planets at least 30 degrees from the planets within the bowl...channels...[their] energy through the handle of the bucket. The sign and house position of this singleton or focal planet usually indicates the kind of energy this person most frequently expresses and the area of life through which... [they] seek satisfaction."

The planet which is separate from other planets is Saturn (duty, also restriction), indicating that your energy is channeled through duty and may be restrictive in some way. The sign is Aries (being, also action) and the house is 2nd (physical, also desires, possessions), indidicating that you might frequently be an active person who tries to achieve satisfaction through either your desires or by possessing things.

Bucketing,

Tim

"The faults lie not in the stars but in ouselves"
- Shakespeare

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

Narcissus,

I would have responded earlier, but was unable to see your chart on my browser.

Hi there Tim,
thanks for replying
But the important thing is....the chart wasn't mine, it was Jrsaman's
I was just replying ops:
kekekekeee
/giggle

cheers,
Enid

[Draco]

Hi Orlando,

Just wanted to mention that I am a solar twin of your's. We both have our birthdays on September 15th, so our soul's purpose and mission in life is represented at 22 degree's of Virgo, same as me. Nice to meet you.

I'm not too good with natal charts. I prefer horary which is based upon a precise time, down to the second if necessary and I like the way the chart is explored to answer a very specific question. Natal charts are usually based upon half remembered, generalised or rectified birth times, which is why I prefer horary because it is so precise with no element of doubt as to whether the data is correct (I'm such a Virgo :roll: )

Never the less, having said this, I also carry the notion that the birth time we feel comfortable with erecting a chart for is probably the one we are meant to use. That is to say, if I was born at 12 minutes past midnight, as far as actual mathematical precision is concerned, and my mother generalises this time to midnight, then this is probably the time I was meant to use, to give the most significant chart. Synchronicity doesn't allow anything to happen by accident.

I am in no way implying that I think your birth data is inaccurate by the way. In fact I don't know what I'm on about. I'm waffling and thinking out loud. :? Excuse me.

About your chart, as I said I'm not too confident with natal, but I would be more interested in looking at your chart in response to a particular question. What is it that you are most interested in finding out about yourself?

Interpreting a natal without it being in response to specific questions can only yield very vague and generalised information. Tim's analysis is of course significant, but if we knew more about you it would enable us to put this aspect of your horoscope into context within your life.

I am wondering if you have any specific questions about your life, and then we can see if we can find specific answers in your chart. Then I'll have a look.

Draco

Data: 15th September 1982 in Blackpool - 3w3/53n50 - England @ 19:05

[Arian Maverick]

Just wanted to mention that I am a solar twin of your's. We both have our birthdays on September 15th, so our soul's purpose and mission in life is represented at 22 degree's of Virgo, same as me. Nice to meet you.

Wow, that's so cool!

I have a question though...wouldn't you round up the degree of your Sun sign since it isn't exactly 22 degrees? I beleived we discussed something like this once before on the Sabian Symbols Board, but now I'm doubting my memory. I'm so confused :?

Aquarian Maverick

[Draco]

Hi Beth,

I wouldn't round up the zodiac degrees like many do with the Sabian's. In fact I'm not even sure that everyone does round them up.

My Sun is at 22.31 Virgo, but I would not round it up to 23.00, 22 is a most powerful number for me, and I notice that you have a thread started about the peculiarities of certain numbers which I intend to comment upon after this.

I'm just not too keen on rounding degrees up. To me a planet is at 22 degrees of a sign anywhere between 22.00 degrees to 22.59.

It would be like rounding the sign of Virgo up to Libra once your past the middle point if you see what I mean. :?

Draco

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for the clarification, Draco...I guess I need to read both Sabian descriptions and see which one resonates better to me

Aquarian Maverick

P.S. I'll meet you and anyone else interested at the Harmonics Board!

[Jrsaman]

Thanks for the comments new freinds I hope to be introducing myself here soon.
I studied astrologey hard for 3 or 4 years,and have been getting back into it lately.
I love hearing comments from other astrologewrs and what better to learn than to ask about the subject you know the best.
Keep them comming.
Orlando

[Buai]

Daco,

This could seem a bit harsh but...

ALWAYS round up the degrees on EVERYTHING...
It's just how it works, beyond what number 'feels" good to you.
(Thats another thing altogether, 22 is a master number and is very powerful for everyone)

Rounding up a SIGN is silly, no one does it obviously, and there is zero comparison.

"Rounding up" IS PRECISE. NOT ROUNDING UP ISN'T...

So for you, what is the degree of 0.06 - 0.59 ? ...0 degrees?
Alternatively, when does 30 degrees of anything occur? 30 degrees and 01 minute?
Draco, thats 1 minute into the 1st degree, not the "0 degree"
The 30th degree occurs after 29 degrees and 1 second
It works like this - if a planet or whatever, is at 0.06 degrees of any sign, then it IS IN the 1st degree...
There is no such thing as 0 degrees of anything!
It's either 30 degrees, or 1 degree...there is no 0 inbetween.
Put every degree into that frame, it will make sense to you if you apply it.
It's very simple, check it out.

Your sun IS at 23 degrees Virgo. A lion tamer !!!
:?

While I'm at it...Natal Astrology is not sometimes "vague or general" based on "time accuracy", (Horary NEEDS that precision, natal doesn't)
Natal can be "vague or general", but only on the basis of the person reading the info.
I have read quite a few charts on the spot, without a time at all, and have never had a complaint in 17 years.
It's about being able to let go (suspend judgement) and feel into the energy of the chart.
It takes alot of practice, not only with Astrology as an art, but with ourselves as well, ie meditation, yoga.
It's important to evolve...and grow, and/or listen and learn.

...it's soooo much more simple than most generally try to make it. (like nearly everything in this dumb-ension) Pitty.
If one could just turn OFF the mind for a few moments and experience pure awareness/silence on a regular basis, "one" could truely "know" without going through a proccess of having to find out...
Knowledge IS the structure of creation, ours.
But do we know ourselves? Na.

Simple "IS" inherently easy, just that we generally aren't...

[Draco]

Buai,

Thanks for your insightful lecture upon the rounding up of degrees.

While I'm at it...Natal Astrology is not sometimes "vague or general" based on "time accuracy",

After I had said this I also mentioned:

Never the less, having said this, I also carry the notion that the birth time we feel comfortable with erecting a chart for is probably the one we are meant to use. That is to say, if I was born at 12 minutes past midnight, as far as actual mathematical precision is concerned, and my mother generalises this time to midnight, then this is probably the time I was always meant to use, to give the most significant chart. Synchronicity doesn't allow anything to happen by accident.

Buai:

(22 is a master number and is very powerful for everyone)

I see what you mean, but your comment seemed to be an attempt to downplay the personal resonance I feel with this number. Every number is very powerful for everyone - but I have a particular personal resonance with the number 22 for reasons known to myself.

In any case, regardless of whether the degrees are rounded up or not, which you so patiently put across, the number 22 is still featured in my Sun's placement in that it is at 22:31. At least it is in a numerological sense, if not in terms of the Sabians, which I don't make great use of anyway. However, thanks for explaining.

I have read quite a few charts on the spot, without a time at all, and have never had a complaint in 17 years.

I envy your omniscience. You may never have had a complaint, but have you never made mistakes along your path and learned from them?.

Kindly,

Draco

[wilsontc]

Buai,

You said:

...if a planet or whatever, is at 0.06 degrees of any sign, then it IS IN the 1st degree...There is no such thing as 0 degrees of anything! It's either 30 degrees, or 1 degree...there is no 0 inbetween...

I think Draco has a point here in saying to use the number of the degree and NOT round up. I think of it like this: If I have $1.06 I do NOT have $2.00 (no matter how much I would like to convince the stores I shop at! ). And I DEFINITELY have at least a $1.00. Even if I have $1.99 I STILL do not have $2.00. Only when I have $2.00 do I have $2.00 (sounds a little like Zen! ). Similarly, if a planet is in 1.06 degrees of a sign, it is at LEAST in the 1 degree mark of the sign and NOT in the two degree mark. Only when the planet reaches 2.00 degrees is it at 2.00 degrees.

And that brings me to the next point of there being no such thing as 0 degrees in signs. Actually, there IS such a thing as 0 in signs. 0 is the starting degree for the next sign and it is reached after the previous sign has moved throughout its entire 30 degree arc. Think of it this way: a planet at 29.04 Virgo (for example) is in Virgo. A planet at 29.59 Virgo is still in Virgo. Can there be a planet at 30.00 degrees Virgo? At 30 degrees, by definition, a planet has COMPLETED their arc by sign: Virgo ONLY lasts for 30 degrees. After 30 degrees of arc are completed for the sign Virgo (i.e., upon arriving at 30 degrees), it moves into a new sign: Libra. So the sign after 29 degrees Virgo is Libra.

Now what degree number comes after 29.59 Virgo? 1? It would be 1 if there is no degree number that comes BEFORE 1. But there is a degree number before 1: the example you gave, 0.06 degrees. Clearly this is a degree BEFORE 1. Since it is BEFORE 1 it can not BE 1. Is there a degree number before 0? No. So the next degree after 29 degrees Virgo is 0 degrees Libra.

And that is why on every astrology program planets and points are numbered from 0 - 29 degrees, not from 1 - 30 degrees. Since the planets are numbered this way, it seems appropriate to use the astrological information as given, rather than rounding up. Maybe your point was that, for the purposes of Sabian symbols it is important to round. In my opinion, since it makes no sense in astrology to "round up" sign degrees, it doesn't make sense to use rounded up degrees to interpret Sabian Symbols, which are supposed to be based on astrological degrees. I know there is a LOT of disagreeement about this in the astrological world, but Draco's method seems to make the most sense, for the reasons I described.

Reasonably,

Tim

[Draco]

Tim,

Thankyou for that.

I think Draco has a point here in saying to use the number of the degree and NOT round up. I think of it like this: If I have $1.06 I do NOT have $2.00 (no matter how much I would like to convince the stores I shop at! ). And I DEFINITELY have at least a $1.00. Even if I have $1.99 I STILL do not have $2.00. Only when I have $2.00 do I have $2.00 (sounds a little like Zen! ). Similarly, if a planet is in 1.06 degrees of a sign, it is at LEAST in the 1 degree mark of the sign and NOT in the two degree mark. Only when the planet reaches 2.00 degrees is it at 2.00 degrees.

This is what I always thought, but I'm not gifted with the most mathematical of minds, so I tend to take what others say as gospel when it comes to numbers. I thought that Buai must have been right, otherwise he or she wouldn't have posted on the board, so thanks for confirming and clarifying.

And that brings me to the next point of there being no such thing as 0 degrees in signs. Actually, there IS such a thing as 0 in signs. 0 is the starting point for the next sign and it is reached after the previous sign has moved throughout its entire 30 degree arc.

This is what I thought I had learned, but as I say I doubted myself and got confused by Buai's post. I tend to need a bit of help in understanding numerical considerations. Thinking of it, then of course there is 0 degrees of a sign, I mean, does the Vernal Equinox not begin with the Sun moving to '0 degrees' Aries? Why didn't I think of that and respond accordingly? I think I was a little taken aback by the demanding tone of the post.

And that is why on every astrology program planets and points are numbered from 0 - 29, not from 1 - 30.

Exactly. I should have thought of this, but then I'm only junior in my astrological studies, and like I say, I takes peoples word for it when it comes to numbers, I guess I'm easily mislead. :S

I know there is a LOT of disagreeement about this in the astrological world, but Draco's method seems to make the most sense, for the reasons I described.

Cheers Tim. So there's nothing wrong with me not rounding degrees up at all, and my view was quite a valid one. Phew! So my Sun is at 22 degrees. Of course! I knew it! 22 is a special number to me, which is why I was pleasantly suprised when I got into astrology and discovered my Sun was here.

Buai,

You sent me this and I felt it to be very inappropriate due to it's tone and presumptions.

Draco,

I need to say some things here that you may find harsh...I was going to post it on the forum but thought twice, this is for you, not for them.
Apart from this bit...

Always round up the degrees on EVERYTHING...
It's just how it works, beyond what number 'feels" good to you.
(Thats another thing altogether)

Rounding up a SIGN is silly, no one does it obviously, (this isn't true) and there is zero comparison.

"Rounding up" IS PRECISE. NOT ROUNDING UP ISN'T...

So for you, what is the degree of 0.06 - 0.59 ? ...0 degrees? (yes, it is)
It works like this - if a planet or whatever, is at 0.06 degrees of any sign, then it IS IN the 1st degree...
There is no such thing as 0 degrees of anything!
Your sun IS at 23 degrees Virgo.

Also, reading a chart is not as "vague and generalised" as one (you) may think, the very precise time is actually NOT such a big deal, (as I quoted in my response to you, I had already made a point that the precise time is not necessarily ultimately important) but your ability to let go (suspend judgement) and feel into the chart is... (I disagree, any astrological analysis is about trying to reach judgements, not suspend them)
Too much thinking and assumption will block you from what is very plain and simple in any reading. (So perhaps I shouldn't be using my brain, studying hard and experimenting a lot?)
You are very young. Do you read charts beyond Horary? (how patronising, I'm 23 not 13)
If not, how do you know natal Astrology is vague or generalised Draco? (As already mentioned, this is taken out of context of my post)

I do readings based on loose times ALL THE TIME, (sometimes I do a reading on the spot with only the date!) and I have NEVER had a complaint in 17 years.
Take the time to learn...and practice, before you criticise what you know very little about. (Neptune/MC square Sun...?) (Again, how rude and patronising, when I am learning, studying and practising all I can, which is apparent on the boards)

You are in the presence of some very knowledgable people on this forum.
You could learn quite alot. (Patronising again, tell me something I don't know, thats why I'm a constant regular around here)
Respect. (Respect is mutual, but you would seems to lack this understanding, given the nature of this post)
Also understand that to some looking into Astrology for the first time here on this forum, YOU are seen as someone who knows about this science.
So, anything you say could and would influence some people, and possibly in the wrong direction. (what's wrong with it if our ideas, suggestions and comments influence others, do people not have minds of their own? Surely this is a place for us to debate, learn and share ideas? What is the 'wrong direction' anyway?)
If you need to justify yourself because you find it hard to internally synthesise planetary energy, (insulting, presumptuous and again very patronising) through very basic generalities, you're doing the very same thing you are accusing Natal Astrology of doing...and being very vague as well. (again, insulting and based on misreading my post on the board, I never said natal astrology was vague, I said that birth times are often vague, generalised or rectified, then went on to say why this doesn't really matter)

Add to that, some natal astrologers are actually VERY precise, and dont need to know a thing about the native before reading the chart.
In fact, "NOT knowing" is somehow attractive, then there is nothing to limit the reading. ('astro'='star', 'logy'='study of', 'science' from the Greek 'scion' meaning=knowledge, so without study in order to accumulate knowledge then how can we go about interpreting any chart? Apparently such knowledge 'limits the reading', and if we do not accumulate knowledge then there is 'nothing to limit the reading'. This comment is completely preposterous. You go on to say, to someone who is already quite aware, that astrology is a science, yet you believe that lack of knowledge is 'somehow attractive', despite the fact that any science is defined as the pursuit of and accumulation of knowledge)
It takes lots of practice doing readings, and it doesn't happen overnight Draco.
This is a life path not a hobby. (again all very insulting and patronising, and astrology can indeed be a hobby as well as a life path)
Respect this beautiful art/science that reflects Gods work. (Again, tell me something I don't know, and as for respect, how about not sending such rude personal mails?)
It's us who are limited, not the science.

I don't mean to be as grumpy as I sound (grumpy, not at all, rude, condescending, patronising, presumptuous, insulting, arrogant and rather hostile, yes.) but this is how I feel, and you need to know, so you can see this forum from a more "inclusive" point of view. (as a constant regular on the boards I'd say I'm pretty much already 'included' and I have never had a problem with anybody else, nor them with me and I still don't have, including you, but i needed to let you know how I felt about this)
Round up...

I may be wrong, but your last post seemed to be an attempt to belittle me in public, at least thats how it felt, as you didn't keep this post private. I just felt it fair then to respond publically as well as personally.

I bear you no ill-will at all Buai, but felt the need to respond in this way.

Draco

[sita]

Draco.
You should have PM'd this to Buai.
It makes you look bad.
Take your slights and deal with him directly.
This only exacerbates the problems, and yes, drags other members into a situation that they don't want to be in.
If I had more discipline tonight I would have passed it by, but you let yourself open to this with that kind of a post.

Sorry,
I'm just following your energy.
Sita

[Draco]

Hi Sita,

I understand your point of view, and I did hesitate before sending that you know, but I felt that this PM was unfair and not justified, and isn't the first time, and I needed to vent my frustrations out in the open as Buai obviously felt he needed to as well. It was Buai who brought this out in the open originally not me. I just felt offended and wanted to express why I felt that it was inappropriate.

Perhaps I should have dealt with it directly. Then again, so should Buai, but he seemed to try to belittle me on the board, upon things he was incorrect about.

This only exacerbates the problems, and yes, drags other members into a situation that they don't want to be in.

I see what you mean, but if people don't want to be involved then they don't need to comment, which is a valid point really.

I only sought to highlight why I felt that his comments to me were unfair and unjustified, that's all.

In fact, I will actually remove this from the board by edit and send it to Buai instead.

You were just following my energies, I was just following Buai's, but as the only energies I want follow or lead are good ones, then I'll send this to Buai instead before anyone else reads it.

Draco

[Draco]

Hi,

I have decided that instead of removing this altogether then if I remove everywhere it says 'Buai' and replace it with 'you' then there isn't a problem, because then I am taking it directly to Buai, and then no-one else feels like they are being inadvertantly involved by reading it.

I do admit that this is wrong!

I think that would be the fairest thing to do.

So yes, I understand your point Sita, I shouldn't have termed it to sound like I am involving others, which is simply wrong, I admit, but I acted out of annoyance at the time.

Remember though that it was Buai that launched an unfair personal attack upon me, and I am simply retaliating with a fair argument.

I have just sent the post to Buai.

Draco

[sita]

I wish you both the coolness 8) of openness and flexibility.

No hard/changed feeling here
hearts,
Sita