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Old 02-05-2006, 03:00 PM
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Where is this relationship going?

I asked where is this relationship going?

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Old 02-06-2006, 01:01 PM
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I'm bringing the horaries that haven't been answered to the top of the list, because it isn't fair that newer posts should get answered before earlier questions have been responded to. I'll try an interpret this question myself if I get chance, unless someone else can have a go?

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Old 02-06-2006, 01:02 PM
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I'm bringing the horaries that haven't been answered to the top of the list, because it isn't fair that newer posts should get answered before earlier questions have been responded to. I'll try an interpret this question myself if I get chance, unless someone else can have a go?

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Old 02-06-2006, 10:33 PM
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What kind of chart is this...natal or horary? I see that the sun's in Aquarius, but I'm still not sure about where the other planets have been lately :?

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Old 02-06-2006, 11:02 PM
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It's a horary. I am Venus and he is Mars. Venus and the moon are moving towards Mars ... I need feedback on the tone, nature and future of the whole thing. There is a sexual tension situation with us and I wonder if we wil ever resolve our love for each other. Lots of planetary action in house four....Moon will trine Mars... Air trine with Juno and Ascendant.. Anyone...
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:04 PM
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venus was retrograde just about to go direct/thereis also another trine there a water one with uranus and the MC...

anyone got an idea of interpretation..
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Old 02-08-2006, 09:20 AM
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Hi Angelina,

I'll have a go at this.

Firstly the chart is way, way too busy. I got a headache just looking at it. :? Only the seven traditional planets are meant to be used in horary, I used to ignore this but since heeding this rule my charts have given much clearer answers. Using just the ancient planets makes the whole thing beautifully simple and precise. Certainly no asteroids!

Okay, Venus is in Capricorn and given emphasis due to it's conjunction with the IC. The IC is the place of the 'grave', 'burial' and the 'end of things', and this causes me to wonder if you have seriously considered ending the relationship, which is perhaps why you are so interested in where the partnership is actually going. You are unable to decide because Venus is peregrine in this part of the zodiac, meaning that she has no dignity here, but it is not detriment either, so you cannot decide, so perhaps this chart can help you make a decision in revealing where the relationship is going? Venus' placement in the cardinal earth sign shows a desire to initiate pratical action one way or the other.

Saturn is despositor to Venus because she is in his sign, and Saturn is the ruler of the cusp of the house in which Venus is in. So a look at Saturn should tell us some more about Venus.

Saturn is retro. in Leo and in the 10th house, opposite to the house you are in. Just a hunch...but if the 4th house is roots and history, and so the past, then the 10th is aspirations, destiny and so the future, and Saturn retrograde in the house of the future reveals your true feelings, that the relationship isn't destined for success, it is restricted and the chance to progress and develop is impeded, at least in the way you see it.

Before considering your aspects, let's have a look at Mars' general disposition. As you have noted, Mars is the other in the relationship as the ruler of the 7th. Mars is detriment in Taurus, he does not operate in an environment which suits his needs, he cannot find adequate expression of his nature in this relationship, and he doesn't feel good.

Mars is in Venus' sign and Venus rules the house he is in. Mars is in the 8th house of fear and anxiety, on top of being detriment, so I would imagine that Mars is terribly upset, even if these feelings haven't been expressed properly, and this, if you don't mind me saying, is all down to you, because you rule his sign and his house, so it is a direct consequence of your words or actions or just in that he senses you are dissatisfied. I would sense that Mars can tell that you are unsure if there is much chance of a future in this relationship, he feels he is going to lose you.

An aspect exists between you and Mars, and this is an earth trine which is applied by Venus. The earth trine shows a link in the practical sense, Venus applying shows that it is you who initiates this action, and as you are in the house of ending's and he in the house of anxiety and loss and completely dependent upon your influence, I imagine that this represents you approaching the other, and making it clear that you feel that the future of the relationship is limited. This considered, I don't feel the relationship is going anywhere, because you don't really want it to.

Now, before considering the Moon, I will observe any aspects that Venus and Mars have with other planets, to see if this will yield any more information about you both, past and future. This will be no easy task, because the chart is so excessively busy and the chaotic tangle of lines makes observation difficult. :?

This is interesting. Venus almost immediately applies a receptive (feminine) sextile to Jupiter in Scorpio in the 2nd, Jupiter in the 2nd refers to a boost in finance or property which you recieved, probably at the time or shortly after asking your question, if not then this is to come quickly. Interestingly, Jupiter desposits to Mars, as Scorpio is his sign, and Mars rules the cusp of the 2nd, so the source of this finance/property boost is the other in this relationship, Mars.

Mars opposes Jupiter and separates from it, decribing Mars as parting from whatever the Jupiterian boost is to you that you are receptive to, being the 2nd house this is money or possessions.

In short I feel that you are profiting from the relationship as you are actively receptive to Jupiter in the 2nd, whereas Mars separates from it.

If this was not the case, i would be very puzzled as to what the chart represents.

In short, it seems that you have already got or are very shortly to get what you want, and after that the relationship would seem to hold no prospects for you because your intentions will have been fulfilled.

Now for the Moon, which is conjunct Venus and as such and as general significator, this puts you in a position of ultimate power, you are the one calling the shots. The Moon is in detriment in Capricorn, but it is in it's night triplicity, which being a strong dignity would more or less cancel the detriment out. As the Moon has all the same aspects as Venus there is little more to say other than to emphasise everything that was said about Venus before, although the Moon's next aspect is to Mars, which, applyied from the house of endings to Mars in the house of loss, and everything else considered, signifies the ultimate termination of the relationship.

In short, the relationship is not really going anywhere because you seek to gain something specific. This obtained, you have no desire to continue the partnership.

Hopefully I did okay in interpreting this horary.

Thanks for letting me have a look Angelina. Post back with your thoughts upon what I have said.............and in future, no asteroids! :?

I wish you luck, however things turn out.

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Old 02-08-2006, 02:07 PM
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First, thanks much Draco. That was a great deal of work and I appreciate it immensely!

Second, your analysis is uncanny, and sad in some ways very telling...


You said: " Venus is in Capricorn and given emphasis due to it's conjunction with the IC. The IC is the place of the 'grave', 'burial' and the 'end of things', and this causes me to wonder if you have seriously considered ending the relationship, which is perhaps why you are so interested in where the partnership is actually going. You are unable to decide because Venus is peregrine in this part of the zodiac, meaning that she has no dignity here, but it is not detriment either, so you cannot decide, so perhaps this chart can help you make a decision in revealing where the relationship is going? Venus' placement in the cardinal earth sign shows a desire to initiate pratical action one way or the other. "


Yes. I am thinking about ending the entire bond. Though we have known each other for 12 years, the tension, the pulll is too great for me. We are both in troubled stressed marriages and he is very sweet and protective. And I am very lonely but respectful of our unravelling marriages. I always feel like I have to make whatever decisions will be made here so your reading is so accurate. It is as though whatver i decide is what it will be. He is very very passive.

(" Saturn retrograde in the house of the future reveals your true feelings, that the relationship isn't destined for success, it is restricted and the chance to progress and develop is impeded, at least in the way you see it. " YES! I find myself just saying--are you nutz--are you kidding---this s not going to work ...)

"He cannot find adequate expression of his nature in this relationship, and he doesn't feel good. "

He doesn't fell good becuase I think his feelings about this situation are strange, odd foreign and completely overwhelming.

"Mars is in Venus' sign and Venus rules the house he is in. Mars is in the 8th house of fear and anxiety, on top of being detriment, so I would imagine that Mars is terribly upset, even if these feelings haven't been expressed properly, and this, if you don't mind me saying, is all down to you, because you rule his sign and his house, so it is a direct consequence of your words or actions or just in that he senses you are dissatisfied. I would sense that Mars can tell that you are unsure if there is much chance of a future in this relationship, he feels he is going to lose you. "

This hurts my heart becasue I don't want to live without him --his friendship and kindness--but I don't know what else to do. I want to be with him, but I don't think I have the strength to tell him that yet I feel nothing will happen if I don't broach it, bring it up, do something to make it happen... I am afarid that if I tell him exactly how I feel I will be rejected.


"This is interesting. Venus almost immediately applies a receptive (feminine) sextile to Jupiter in Scorpio in the 2nd, Jupiter in the 2nd refers to a boost in finance or property which you recieved, probably at the time or shortly after asking your question, if not then this is to come quickly. Interestingly, Jupiter desposits to Mars, as Scorpio is his sign, and Mars rules the cusp of the 2nd, so the source of this finance/property boost is the other in this relationship, Mars. "


I was very confused by this since we have no financial stake in each other's lives. Doesn't the 2nd house also have to do with one's VALUES, Ethics, view of things?


"In short, it seems that you have already got or are very shortly to get what you want, and after that the relationship would seem to hold no prospects for you because your intentions will have been fulfilled. "


For this to be true he would have to suddenly come to me in some sort of forward way--verbally or emotionally or physically...


Thanks again. It was really very helpful and I do hope it turns out well. To be honest I think a big part of the problem is I am not completely sure of what I want from him. :roll:
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