Will I get to keep my job

[joannski3]

Lilly, Star, Charm, Gaer were kind enough to look at my transits and progressions (sorry if i missed anyone) and although the illness I experienced was apparant there, nothing really indicative about issues at work- Lilly and Star suggested I post an horary question, i hate to mooch, so maybe we can all work together and see what we get

i did call work, and the manager was pretty neutral, didn't even ask how i was doing so i didn't take it as a good sign. i'm looking at the clock and its 3:57 AM PST. I think this is a good time bc this is the time i decided to ask the horary question, when it was suggested earlier i wasn't really sure i wanted to ask then drifted to sleep.

thanks,

J

PS the background for the question is posted under predictions and transits/progressions...i will erect a chart too, but i don't really like horary much.

[starlink]

Joanne, I do need the name of the place you are at the moment please (Las Vegas Nevada?)and your clocktime/date of course differs from mine, but I guess it was already the 13th?

[lillyjgc]

Starlink- Do you think you can post the chart when you've drawn it up? I'd prefer we both work from the same chart-plus any others who want to have input...I get 8deg cap on asc...Time zone 08W? Do you agree with that or are you doing a chart for time you received the question?
Cheers Lillyjgc

[starlink]

Yes Lilly, I did get that Asc. Lilly. I cannot post the chart as it is on another computer I use for Astrology without internet access. But I guess we have the same chart in front of us.
Cheers, STar.

I can actually do the chart again and try to post it. That is a long time ago since I did that, dont know anymore how that goes, but will try.

[starlink]

I did not do the chart for when I received the question.

Good, lets see what we can discover here.
Saturn ruler Ascendant and co-ruled by Moon, also Jupiter, Venus in the first.
That alone is already a very good sign. Two benefics in the 1st house.

Saturn is in the 8th, showing the state you are in at the moment and how you worry about this jobthing.

Now you mentioned that this is not a career, just a job. So lets take the 6th house, ruled by Mercury who retrogrades further back into your 1st house. This is also a good indication of the job staying with you, even though Mercury is retrograd and that traditionally is not so favorable but he is in his own term.

Anyhow, there are several Mutual receptions between Mercury and Saturn which is very good and shows (I think) that you will keep the job.

Now, if I look at the 10th house (career) the Venus is the ruler. Venus is in your 1st house, a strong indication of the job staying with you. Venus is also in term of Saturn (you).
The Moon is exhaulted in Taurus and in term and face of Jupiter, very nice indeed and there is a mutual reception between Venus and Moon by Triplicity and Ruler between them, another good sign.

Part of Fortune is 16° Libra and trines the cusp of the 6th. (I take it that the POF is a stationary point and that the cusps move, so cusp 6 moves towards the trine with POF).

But there are also some other things I see, one of them that the cusp of the 10th house is at 29°04', this is a critical degree and also is a degree which falls in the Via Combusta and this is not so good. Something not good with that company or the boss. 29° means that it is also going to change and my feeling is that it is maybe to do with dissolution of that company? There is something not totally right there. Venus is în face of the Sun and Sun is in detriment in Aquarius in their 4th (house of endings). I wonder what this could be. Hopefully not another eclipse result. The strong Moon is in the companies 7th house, this could mean that the competition (that what opposes them) is very strong.Maybe they could be taken over by another company? When the 10th changes into Scorpio, Mars in Gemini will be the ruler, in own term.

Oh well, I am going off target here, wonder if Lilly sees something similar.
But for the moment I dont see that you will loose your job.
Cheers, Starlink

[joannski3]

Here is the chart. thanks, is this the same one, lilly? its got the ASC you mentioned, in LV

[joannski3]

that was fun

i wonder if they will be changing bosses? could be that they make changes with the people in charge. I work for the Venetian, I can't imagine anything would change soon, but you never know. i think its more likely they make changes in management

Or...maybe i keep my job but get a warning, or a slap on the wrist about attendance points... i won't know anything until friday probably. i was thinking also that maybe jupiter in the 1st could be favorable as far as i management looking kindly toward me, or is this just wishful thinking?

ANYWAY, got on that tangent thinking of Jupiter being in 1st. thanks star for taking the time to help me learn this chart today, i'm curious to know how lilly interprets the the critical degree.

just to mention something weird about merc. merc is VERY synchronistic. i had my bad experiences last year EACH MERC RX, EVERY TIME, MERC WAS IN 10th DEG!!! Last year my bday was merc in scorp in the critical degree of 9 degrees, and this year my solar return had mercury in scorpio in critical 9 degrees Rx....i'm guessing mercury was in 9 degrees on monday when i got sick and had to leave work... hope this isn't another omen.

i was hoping to be over the cycle, but i'm telling you, it was so odd, i started marking merc in 10 deg. on my calendar.

gonna PM lilly now and see what we find

[starlink]

Oh Joanne, thanks for posting the chart. Yes this is the right one. I tried to post it but just copying and pasting does not work so yakkee, I have to do it via Imageshack. How do you do it?

[lillyjgc]

Yep-the chart looks right to me.....
I noticed the *critical degree* on the MC too....In addition to Starlink's observations, the co-ruler of the tenth (your *reputation* if you like) is Mars and mars IS in your sixth,ruled by mercury. (BTW it forms a lovely quintile with saturn in your eighth...(*nothing to worry about?*)and house 8 is also house of *other people's money- ie *boss*...The sun applies a trine to the tenth house cusp which is also helpful.
The moon is closely square the second house cusp, indicating you have financial concerns.Venus sextiles the H11 cusp(your hopes and wishes) and I agree that as venus (only just) rules your tenth this bodes well.
Like you starlink I see a couple of issues coming up with the job itself.....For a start the ruler of H6 (the job) is retrograde and moving away from cusp of h2 (income).Mercury separates from a trine to the cusp of h6...so *what rules the job separates from the job*...loss of power somehow by the employer....As mars is set to oppose Pluto I am wondering if any illegalities are involved with the employer.
Jupiters close proximity to the ascendant (you) though is a very good sign and separates from your ruler in h8-the house of worry...(maybe you will actually take a *better* job?-your choice)
Jupiter also applies to a sextile with Uranus,in Jupiters sign in your second house so you may unexpectedly acquire money or possessions...jupiter is also quintile the MC-not a ptolemaic aspect I know-but when planets are in debilities as in this case, I do *note* it.
The moon is also sextile Uranus, the modern ruler of Aquarius and associated with the 11th house (your hopes and wishes) so as an eclipse is imminent I think certain information about your job, denied you at the moment, will become clear.(ie you may find out something *that changes everything).
just to be sure I also checked your midpoints.Moon opposite midpoint of Venus/Saturn, suggesting you may be depressed at the present time.
Saturn is also square the midpoint of moon and mars suggesting you are dissatisfied with the work you do.
With the sun in the second house,(income)applying to a trine with mars I see you will get back to work.The sun applies a conjunction to the node too-which I believe is most beneficial. The sun trine the Mc suggests people in power will be helpful to you.
The moon applies a square to Neptune, telling me *there is something you're not seeing*
As venus rules your fifth house and is in your first I am wondering if your work is in the entertainment field-somewhere where gamblers might frequent?
However, taking the ruler of the job (h6 cusp) as mercury we see mercury is headed back towards you...suggesting to me, a return to the same job, even though you might not like it.Try not to *worry*.
Cheers Lillyjgc

[starlink]

Well, am I curious to know what is "cooking" there. Funny you saw that as well Lillly. I learned another thing today from you, :

The moon applies a square to Neptune, telling me *there is something you're not seeing*

I do look at Neptune in connection with being deceived and all when he is at an angle, specifically the Ascendant. Then the whole truth is not out in the open, but I usually only think of Neptune as a desillusion (like: ooohhh what a pity, I sooo much wanted this or that, or a desillusion in loive), not something you dont see and that I find is really good to remember.
Well Joanne, you have to tell us then in time what will happen.

Curiously C.

[joannski3]

lilly and star

thank you so much for taking the time to help me with this this. it means a lot to me. my mentor is wonderful, but doesn't like horary so much i don't think so its fun to learn from experienced horarists. wanted to ask lilly and star to read my questions regarding the jupiter- if it meant higher management may be helpful to me, lilly saw this w/MC but was wondering about this w/jup in 1st. also, the merc retrograde, and my solar return merd Rx in critical 9th deg...does this correlate. i know you saw good connections w/saturn, but don't liek beng ruled by a malefic in the 8th

had to say lilly--yes, worried about finances, business has been slow adn money isn't as good as was promised. ALSO cool with 5th house, being a dealer involved with other peoples money- could also be the satrun in 8th. i take and pay other people;s money. am a croupier at the palazzo, the newest 5 star 5 diamond hotel on strip. am unhappy with my job want a diff career, but am stuck at the moment. yes i hate my job and need t change before saturn return kic
yer
nightnight, more later,

joanna

[archergirl]

I dunno, guys, I get a different sort of reading. Sort of.

The simple answer would be 'yes' if we take Venus as the 10th ruler; it is 29.05 Libra which is an 'early late degree', but it's still in Libra. Funnily, Venus also rules the 5th of gambling, so this is appropriate. It's in the 1st house.

The Moon applies by trine. BUT, first it squares the Sun, 8th house ruler, placed in the querent's 2nd. You are in the 8th of 'other people's money' and 'other people's money' is in your money box.

Is there some concern about the wages not being enough to pay off money you owe someone, Joannski3? Loans or something? (Doh, reading through the other replies, I see that this is the case... )

The 10th is at a critical degree, and change is imminent. The job changes to Mars, placed in the 6th of 'service'; so it is possible that you would change positions in the company (croupier to cocktail waitress? Do they get better tips? ).

I don't see you leaving the company. Venus is in your first. The Moon is in a fixed sign, in the 4th house, perhaps indicating a desire to 'stay put' or not have to move around too much.

Curiously, the Sun (other people's money) applies by trine to the 'new job' in the 6th; it is likely that this change in position *will* alleviate your money anxieties somewhat.

But to the original answer, I don't think you'll be leaving the company, or at least the company won't be leaving you. Unless you want it to. You might change the *type* of job you do, and see if that works better.

Tell us how it works out!

Best wishes,
AG

[joannski3]

Archergirl,

You are amazing.... I've been thinking of switching to be a cocktail waitress for the last year or so. i got my foot in the door when Palazzo opened as a dealer bc when i applied online, i was rejected as a waitress by the computer, for lack of experience. this was frustrating bc i couldn't talk to a manager. so i wanted to wait my 3 month probation period and THEN transfer.

Wow! ok, so this is good news, looks like a possibility. Another thing i wanted to do was to switch from dealing @ Palazzo and move to Venetian. I didn't like the managers at Palazzo so much, but transferring HAS been on my mind since before i started.

I'll PM you to make sure you get the feedback bc I'm amazed you picked up on this. thanks so much for your help. i can't believe you guys can do this so fast. Horary is so difficult for me. i overanalyze every little thing, but it seems so simple in my books when i check out the examples.

frustrating. i suppose it would be best to take an horary class with someone to tutor me. i learn better that way.

J

[archergirl]

Heh, well, save your feedback until everything falls into place first! Hopefully it all goes as it shows.

I do hope everything works out well for you. Money worries are a real pain; as a 'permanent student', I understand the stress involved!

Best wishes,
AG

PS: as to learning horary, the best way to learn is practice, practice, practice, and keep it simple! It is quite normal to overcomplicate a horary chart at first; but horary is almost ridiculously easy once you get the hang of it.

[joannski3]

Wow. I have been so excited about posting this feedback since I returned from work last night, but I keep getting sidetracked! I keep editing this b/c its so long, but its the first time I've seen **karma** actually work in action before, it was so beautiful. *Jupiter* certainly played a role, maybe after reading this, you'll find something else, but to my pleasant *surprise* friday was the absolute best day I had at work in probably 2 years or maybe more!

Due to my gal stones, I had been sick and left work early a couple times and left that night to go to the hospital over a short period of 6 weeks since starting the new job. Most employers will fire someone who calls in sick during their probation- especially since I was unfortunate enough to get sick during peak periods- Grand opening weekend, chinese new year was this week

I also had a supervisor who was also new to the property. i have no idea how i pissed the guy off so much. He kept picking on me. The first week we were at work, he told the pit boss i was a horrible craps dealer and got me banned from dealing craps. I've been dealing craps 6 years, if I was so horrible, I wouldn't of been selected for the job- I had to deal on a live game at the Venetian as part of the interview process to demonstrate i could do it.
EDIT: I wonder if this what was wrong with the job, as it was pertaining to my question? I had forgotten about that supervisor who keeps lying about me and didn't think of him when i read the post. But after writing this, it comes to mind, he may of been the "something wrong" being that he is one of my direct supervisors- and hopefully, as lilly pointed out maybe *he*
will be the one or the something that *separates* from the job

I was EXTRA nice to Twit because everyday the supervisors write evaluations on ALL the dealers, this is part of the probation process in choosing who to keep, who to let go. I was trying my best so I could shine on my evaluation to make up for the time missed because I was sick. It didn't make a difference, Twit kept making up lies about me! He was my supervisor two other times. The next time he told management I was SLEEPING! (How does one sleep while dealing?) The third time I had to speak to management AGAIN because he had told them I was 'fooling around with chips' when nobody was around, claiming it was suspicious behavior- this is really bad. I kept telling myself if Twit was the only one out of all the supervisors giving me a bad evaluation, I would be OK, but I was really nervous because I figured his complaints + my sick calls = no more job.

Although I had been kicked out, for some lucky reason I was accidentally scheduled in craps on friday night. After 4 hours, I was called to the office (strange as its normally taken care of when you get to work). I had already turned in my note from hospital, but you still get the infractions, not fair! I was really nervous because I had to talk to the MEANEST most intimidating casino manager. When I had gone home sick he had told me I was irresponsible, didn't care about my job and if I did, I wouldn't get sick because I'd be taking care of myself!!! Well, he didn't scream this time-

The Casino Manager was so gentle and soft spoken and he started off by saying that he wanted to first tell me that the pit boss had actually told him what a great craps dealer I was, and how I was doing such a wonderful job, having a great day, etc. This is really unheard of, which is why it was such a good day. In my line of work, management NEVER tells you when you do a good job, under most normal circumstances I would have been called to the office and screamed at for accrueing the maximum number of attendance infractions before termination- and most bosses would just terminate me for being sick so many times upon first month of employment. ***BUT SOMETHING CHANGED***

The casino manager then explained what I had to do next, eventhough I am suspended for one day, he never used the word, he just said I can't come in the next scheduled day, the day AFTER that, it was as if he didn't want to worry me. I also have to write a letter because of suspension explaining how i'll do better why i want to keep the job, etc. and the casino manager wrote down what i had to include in the letter, otherwise it would not be acceptable!
He thanked me again and told me to continue having a wonderful night, to take care of myself, and sometimes *life happens* don't let it bring me down....

WOW! I don't know if it made a difference or not, but good thing I was in craps that night because otherwise I wouldn't of had the rave review when I needed it!!!

A friend I work with further confirmed that Karma worked for the TWIT too! He had overheard pit boss speaking with the supervisor (a different one) for my table early in the evening, telling him to 'keep an eye on me and not to hesitate to throw me out if i was a nuisance'...My friend said that not 20 minutes later my supervisor came back to the pit boss and said to him, 'I don't know who told you she couldn't deal, but she's been on the busiest game in here since she came to work and hasn't made one mistake yet. To which Pete said, geez, "Twit" told a different story, he claims she doesn't know what she's doing.... So NOW of course, Twit looks like HE'S the idiot- and of course he is! Also, my supervisor on friday had been working with Pete since the Venetian opened, so his evaluation of my performance holds more weight than someone new that management doesn't know yet.

So I am glad the horary worked, I am sorry this is so long, I kept trying to edit it, but there was just so much going on it was hard to condense! I think thought that in the interpretations, it was mentioned maybe someone in management would help me, and something changes basically something i don't know about.... so i guess i made a friend without realizing it!

*So everything is perfect now except for the headache I have now of epic proportion. Been with me all day I guess since I have a job i should go get some medicine for it at the store

[Charm]

I am so glad that things turned around. See, God never leaves us!!! And mercury will be direct tomorrow! Yahoo!!!

[starlink]

I am very late in seeing your post Joanne, but I am happy for you. So you are back at work? That is quick!!
Headache is often associated with fear. Now that all has turned out OK, you will see that the headache will go as well. could also be because you are still not 100% physically. Take it easy the first weeks!!
Cheers, Star.

[joannski3]

Well,

I got fired today, half way through my shift. So i ended up losing my job afterall. I was thinking about becoming a waitress because I am so disgusted about the situation. I had one more week until probation was over, so basically I was led on for 83 days out of the 90, most people fire you after a few weeks so they don't lead you on too much.

Maybe AG did see me get fired- I was thinking about looking around for a waitress job instead, I am sickened that I was let go- I was legitimately sick and they just don't care. Why not fire me a month ago when I had the surgery, why wait and string me along so I can think I am going to keep the job? Its a heartless industry, that's why i want to be a waitress now.

The Mars-Pluto opposition was exact last night, so this was the next shift after the aspect. Sun-Uranus were also conjunct and right on my natal moon exact. Although its not quite exact anymore, the mars-pluto oppositon still impacted my chart I believe natally because Pluto by transit had just been conjunct my natal mars. What else? Progressed pluto is sextile natal Mars as well as progressed venus passing through my natal sun and approaching Uranus, exact sometime in the next two months

This is puzzling because the venus progressions are supposed to be lucky. However, all this pluto is supposed to also be tough, and the progression is supposed to be about transformation. I am going to deduce that perhaps I needed to get out of the casino industry, maybe there is something else out there I am supposed to be doing instead. P2 Pluto is supposed to be tough, but I think its purpose is to steer you in the right direction, something I may not have done on my own- I feel many times I have settled in my profession, but I feel so lost because I don't know what else to do.

Anyway, I thought I'd let you know since you guys didn't see me getting fired, here's the feedback so we can go back and check to see what happened maybe.

Joanna

[lillyjgc]

Hi joannski- sorry to hear you have lost your job....Did they give you a reason? I guess the *critical degree* factor was more critical than I thought....We can learn from this chart....but it might help us to know what actually happened.....
Commiserations, Lillyjgc

[joannski3]

Thanks, lilly for the kind words. I'm still in a state of shock, the panic hasn't set in yet.

I didn't really explain why because I wasn't given a reason. I was told that "I didn't meet the company's standards". This is the whole probation period thing I was telling you about. The first 90 days of employment they basically decide if they want to keep you or not, and I guess my boss decided he didn't like me very much after all.

I can't tell you what happened, I haven't had any incidents since my trip to the hospital, I can't believe the note I brought in wasn't enough for him, I can't really do anything else but speculate because I have no idea what it could have been. I just think its strange that they wait a month after everything happened to fire me, and 7 days before the probation was over, no less. Most people in my position would be pretty disgusted too, its considered poor taste to string someone along for that length of time before terminating them.

[archergirl]

Hi joannski3,

Jeez, what a bummer! Very sorry to hear the bad news. Still, it sounded like an awful place to work, so maybe this cloud actually has a silver lining.

I guess the *critical degree* factor was more critical than I thought

Yes, lillyjgc, you're right. And what we might have looked at was the applying square of Venus (the job) to that critical degree, from the 1st house.

Look at Jupiter there on the ascendant angle; Jupiter rules the 3rd of communication and the 12th of 'secret things': being that Jupiter is in fall, perhaps 'malicious gossip' is a factor? It seems likely, considering everything you, joannski3, have told us. Jupiter is a benefic, but a benefic in fall is not likely to be 'helpful', is it?

Hmmm. One for the books.

In any case, I'm sorry you lost the job, but although it might appear to be difficult, I think you'll do better somewhere else. Don't let panic take over; just knuckle down and hone your hunting instincts; 'hunt' a better job!

Good luck.
AG

[tikana]

Hi

i didnt look at this chart until now

i would say No on this

A. 10th house is critical deg
b. venus/saturn do not aspect
c. moon/venus do not aspect until moon squares sun first

if you kept your work, there would not have been fo cardinal signs

Saturn is void technicallyspeaking

i am not seeing a single yes on this

ivy says

in should i keep my job

if rulers of the 1st and 10th or the angle are fixed or well aspect to jupiter, venus the sun or fortune.. or if the rulers of 1st and 10th are in MR by sign or house, unafflicted . it pays to stay if ruler of 10th or sun is in good aspect to the ruler of the 10th or the sun is in good aspect to the ruler of 2nd or a benefic in 3nd or 10th .. or ruler of 1st fortified in 11th house

good luck applying to other jobs
T

[Charm]

Well we just had a new moon since the last one was while Mercury was retrograde. So use these next 2 weeks to get something better. Praying for you. Have you thought about going back to school?

Charm

[lillyjgc]

Hi again: I've been thinking about this chart....I realize its drawn up for the week between the eclipses...*not making excuses* or anything but I am now wondering if there is in fact truth to the idea that events occurring around eclipses are *unforseeable* until after the eclipses are finished.....just wondering about this...
i see saturn, your ruler Joanne, in the dreaded eighth house but *trine the ascendant* and the job is ruled by mercury if you use house six cusp,-there is mutual reception between mercury and saturn-yes BOTH are retrograde so maybe *that in itself* was a *no*-especially with mercury void of course..
With mars occupying the sixth initially i considered this to be the surgery you had as mars rules surgery and the sixth rules the illness...Mars however separates from the trine to the MC....so was this a *no* too?-that its a separating aspect?
The moon however applies a trine to venus in the querents first house,ruled by mars so i still dont really *get* why this chart should yield a *no* answer..
With jupiter,even in fall, but strong by position,otherwise void also...perhaps *the luk ran out*.
In terms of a time frame,the question was asked 13/02...the job was lost 09/03- just 25 days later....can anyone see a time frame for the severance indicated in this chart??
still looking
lillyjgc

[starlink]

Dear Joanne, I have been away from the forum for a couple of days and did not see this latest post of yours (did not get a notification). Goodness me, I just cant believe those people. I told you once that if I were you, I would look for another job where people are less creepy. I have NEVER ever heard of a business where people are being treated like you have been, it is absolutely unheard of. You can print this out and sent it to them. I am awfully sorry for you, but I do think that things always happen for a reason Joanne. You were not really happy there, you are good at what you are doing and they did not acknowledge that, so honestly, I think in the end this is really for the best for you.I am sure that someone "up there" has something better in mind for you, just believe that!.

This is puzzling because the venus progressions are supposed to be lucky

Maybe you still will be lucky, somewhere else!

the MC being in that critical degree did indeed show that things in your career would change. That alone was already an indication, but of course, we thought change would be on the inside. Also, I see now, the Ascendant was going to square the POF in 8° and Pluto conjunct Asc. also in 8°. Wonder what the timeframe for this is, because that would mean 2 month. From the moment you asked the question it was only about one month ago (13th Febr..). I do hope you dont loose hope for a new job now. You will find one and make sure this time, you like it there (and the people!). I wish you every good luck! Cheers, Star.