Will l be given permission to move to the USA?

Moulin · #1 01-25-2008, 08:22 PM

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cjc · #2 01-25-2008, 09:40 PM

From this chart, I would venture a "no" (last aspect sq Ma, ruler of the 8th, joint possessions (kids?)), although with Pl sitting on the IC, there could be some big changes on the home front with the kids playing a big part (that bunch in the 5th).

However, I'm kinda leery about question timing. You said you've been mulling this for more than 2 years... What is the real birth time of the question???

Good luck!

BTW, I have trouble reading the Astrdienst charts... I've attached a clearer one for those who would like to view it.

Moulin · #3 01-25-2008, 10:13 PM

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Liquid Green · #4 01-25-2008, 10:14 PM

if it was only for the short term, then i dont see why you would have a problem....legally that is.....parents have a right to take there children overseas for the short term......i know this because of the hassels i had to take my son to fiji for 3 mths with his father attempting to refuse signing the passport.....i ended up giving a whole lot of legal jargon and he gave in.
did you take your kids on your recent trip.....do they already have their passports?

Moulin · #5 01-25-2008, 10:30 PM

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tikana · #6 01-25-2008, 10:36 PM

I dont think you will move but then planets are in a krappy position to get any kind of clear answer

T

Moulin · #7 01-25-2008, 10:37 PM

ok Tik, thanks

Shall l ask again in 6 months time? x

tikana · #8 01-25-2008, 10:38 PM

No

Ask when situation changes

like something happens even a hint . then ask

T

Moulin · #9 01-25-2008, 10:39 PM

ok got it... thanks

lillyjgc · #10 01-26-2008, 04:00 AM

Moulin,

In the chart you are ruled by mercury.as your question involves travel, thats appropriate. The ruler of you is in your h5 of childrens matters-it applies to a trine with mars, although mars is not in a good state, dignified slightly by being right on the mc., which is also ruled by mercury.As this is the only aspect your ruler applies to, we look to the moon- in your 12th house of secret sorrows, with an exact opposition to uranus in your h6-so yes you are frustrated and feeling the urge to make a big change, but the moon applies to a square to mars.....so we look to your ex- h7-ruled by jupiter and we see that mercury and jupiter make no aspect other than a semi-square, which, even though it *doesn't count* shines some light on negativity between you.
The ruler of your children is saturn-saturn does apply a trine to his ruler, but his ruler is in his h10- his work- thats where his interests are.
As the house that rules the trip itself is H9, we see a fixed sign on the cusp- Taurus...ruled by Venus.As the ruler of the trip is venus we see venus will conjunct Jupiter,the ruler of your ex....in 7 *somethings*...The ruler of the trip will trine the ruler of the children, but both planets are in the sign of saturn and your exes ruler is debilitated in fall in cap. Your ruler is not too happy in freedom loving aquarius, either....the ruler of the kids also debilitated...
So how will jupiter respond to mercury? Well they are both *thinking of the children*(being in saturns sign....) I think you will ask him and he will not co-operate with you *for the children's sake*
As your ruler will go retrograde in a day or two I'd say you will change your mind and not go.
Hope that sheds some light.
best wishes, Lillyjgc

tikana · #11 01-26-2008, 05:14 AM

LIlly

she is moving not just going on a trip

removing to a new home is 7th house issue

Cheers
T

lillyjgc · #12 01-26-2008, 06:11 AM

Tik:*I would like to move to the US for the short term*
Lillyjgc

tikana · #13 01-26-2008, 06:12 AM

Lilly
doesnt matter .. it is still 7th house issue
the length of time of staying is in quality of a ruler of 7th house

the same rule applies as with 9th house .. it is in hmm 2nd volume of CA

T

lillyjgc · #14 01-26-2008, 06:15 AM

Tik:
What house are you using for the ex?
I dont think anything changes- jupiter and mercury are not aspecting each other. I stick with my interpretation on this one.House 9 is the relevant house because it is an overseas move.Jupiter is not going anywhere anytime soon.Nor is Mercury.
Lillyjgc

tikana · #15 01-26-2008, 06:17 AM

Lilly

7th!

she is not going anywhere.. i stated that with using 1/7th 4th and moon

T

lillyjgc · #16 01-26-2008, 06:22 AM

Tik, You and I interpret charts very differently- but often our findings concur.You may have noticed that. I'm not going to argue with you. But I am sticking by my delineation because there is *more than one road to Rome.*
Cheers Lillyjgc

tikana · #17 01-26-2008, 06:24 AM

Lilly

uhhuh.. i noticed.. ps i am not arguing btw..

just saying check out 7th house chapter in CA.. and while you are at it..check out 9th house .. there is a whole section on when a person is coming back or not

cheers
T

lillyjgc · #18 01-26-2008, 06:26 AM

Tik: What house did you use for the ex?
This is IMPORTANT seeing he has a legal say in what happens.
Lillyjgc

tikana · #19 01-26-2008, 06:31 AM

Lilly

7th house and Sun *ruler of men*.. i thought i answered it..

T

Liquid Green · #20 01-26-2008, 06:34 AM

nothing like a disagreement on the boards to stimulate a persons interest and make them look for themselves................!

tikana · #21 01-26-2008, 06:35 AM

LG

we are not arguing

we are just figuring out how to get to Rome from 2 different locations.

T

Liquid Green · #22 01-26-2008, 06:38 AM

I wonder....can he be seen as an enemy in this horary?
(p.s i was very careful to not use the word arguing ...........the way the italians drive, it wouldnt matter which way you went....your probably better off flying.....)

Moulin · #23 01-26-2008, 07:11 AM

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lillyjgc · #24 01-26-2008, 07:22 AM

The question you asked was *will he give me permission*, and my answer was *no*.Its unwise to extrapolate too much from this.
Tik: the question you appear to have answered is *Will ....move to the US*-which is not the question asked. I suspect thats why we have approached the question very differently...

Moulin: re *if you use h7 for ex, what would you use for current b/f* I would say h11 as he seems to be tied up with your hopes and wishes, but as he is not part of your specific question, why would he appear in the chart at all? If we do use h11, ruled by the sun, he is in your fifth, along with the kids and making no aspect to you or your ruler or the ruler of your kids-h5 is used for recreational relationships, apparently as well as for one's offspring.
cheers lillyjgc

tikana · #25 01-26-2008, 08:14 AM

Moulin

the question is about your move to the US. I wouldnt even go into your xhubby or your current boyfriend

you asked 2 question: will he allow and quesiton 2 will i move temp to the US

I would use 1/7 straight no x hubby or your bf in sight

i dont know about the law but if ther eis financial dependency on your x, i dont think he has a right to do anything. talk to an attorney if you ever get to the point where you will have a chance of moving. That is how it works in the US. if you just take off, it will be almost like kidnapping or interfereing with custody but if you show to the judge that he doenst even care, then the judge will have no choice but to go into a favor with you

if there is an intereference, then i would look for who is getting in the middle
but there is not even a shroud of a possitive sight of you moving to the us
at all

Tik

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Originally Posted by Moulin

Thanks Lillyjpc - interesting!
I think he eill kick up a fight and the judge will let me go.

I am not sure how much of a say my ex has because he pays absolutely no child maintenance... ZERO!

Could work in my favor.

If you use 7th for ex, what do you use for current b/f?