What has happened to the owner of the clothes?

[lillyjgc]

Hi Folks:
Background: This morning on my walk I came upon a bag of mens clothes (pants and a shirt)..Nearby on the ground was strewn personal papers and a current passport.
A pair of trousers was slung across some scrub....While I was gathering the stuff into a bag a man came by who identified the stuff as belonging to a missing person whose picture was on the community notice board, which I hadn't seen.This man took some details and went to report it to the police (I have the bag of goods I found).
My question is: What has happened to the owner of the clothes?
Data:
Date: 14 January 2008
Place: Sydney Australia
Time: 14:19:57
Time zone 10E
dst.1 hr.
Asc: 6.21 Taurus

[lillyjgc]

Okay: My take on the chart:
Firstly I see Taurus on the ascendant- the owner of the clothes and venus rules Taurus-venus in H8 under the rulership of Jupiter- As I found a passport, jupiter fits very well here..I notice venus separates (about 2 deg) from Uranus- sudden unexpected events-such as losing ones passport>>>This happened about 2 days ago in real time.
The clothes themselves are ruled by H2-mercury on the cusp...mercury rules paperwork and is right on the Mc in aquarius, ruled by Saturn which is in h4.
Apart from venus's applying sextile to neptune, venus makes no aspects... yet the ruler of the clothes and the ruler of their owner appear to apply to a sextile- but in fact this aspect does not perfect.Does this mean he doesnt connect with his belongings?
The moon is newly in aries, mars' sign.It passed a square to mars 6 *somethings *ago, in the house of the possessions- H2.
It applies to a square to jupiter, the ruler of the house his significator is in.The moon also leaves a square to pluto in the eighth house....Is this guy still alive?
The ruler of the house of endings, h4 is the sun. The sun makes no applying aspects.sun is in saturns sign.
Perhaps some of you would like to comment at this point....
cheers lillyjgc

[Liquid Green]

I guess you have had no chance of finding out about the missing persons notice yet? perhaps that would give some more info that you could work with....
I wonder how the guy walking by, would know about the males clothing belonging to the missing guy......very strange.....I will be watching this space intrigued.....
Good person to find the clothing and passport!

[Natasha]

No expert in horary but here goes
I see three planet in the 8th including Jupiter & Pluto. Is it possible the person is no longer with us which is why the clothes & passport are discarded
Neptune in the 10th - does the world see the person has being Neptunian in some way
Sun in the 9th - does the person come from far away - maybe even lived overseas or a great distance from where the things were left.
Mars in the second - I hope the person did not have some kind of accident due to what they own
Saturn in the 4th - was the person poor of money when this even occured
Mercury on the midheaven - some communication occured being the most prominant matter of the event

[lillyjgc]

Ok. Liquid: There was a passport with a photo among the goods. The man who saw me make the find had just come from town, on foot and he *recognized* the man in the passport photo...When I checked I realised the man in the missing person photo was not the same man as the picture in the passport photo- despite the strong resemblance and similar age...so the stranger got it wrong.
Natasha: First of all, the passport belongs to a foreigner, yes.I dont know the answers to your questions as yet....there was no money with the goods-just clothes and personal papers, lying in bush and in the gutter...an envelope with his address on it...its been passed on to the police...will keep you posted!
Lillyjgc

[Liquid Green]

Lilly, as i am so new to horary, i wonder if you can explain the house that you are using for this man.....all the stuff going on in the 8th is very intriguing I hope he is still alive.....because you are using the clothes and passport, i am a section lost as to the house you are using for him......I thought he would have been the 7th for some reason.....persons unyet known.....but thats just my limited knowledge.
This would be great to learn from......
I assume the police will let you know? The information is not protected from you never finding out would it be.....(privacy and all that).
You must be wondering??????????

Also, could i ask the type of place you found the goods.?

[lillyjgc]

LG: At 14:19 the stranger I met at the *scene* asked the question aloud. So I use the ASCENDANT in this case to represent the querent.I know this part gets tricky. If I just happened to *wonder* "what happened to the owner of the clothes*, I'd have used h7 cusp to represent the owner.But as the question was asked of me,I use the ascendant.
I am concerned about his significator being in house 8 but we must also remember that h8 rules *shared resources*, finances....For example in a horary question I asked once, *where will we meet?* the answer was *in house 8* ..You can imagine *I thought the worst!*, but it turned out to be *Outside the bank*....the eighth was ruled by jupiter on that occasion...If you just lost your passport I guess you might suddenly be VERY concerned about *shared resources*...maybe his wallet was there too but was stolen...Because his ruler has squared uranus, the planet of sudden events and uranus is in h11 I am thinking he has parted from friends..
His ruler makes no ptolemaic aspects....which is better than malefic aspects...but fortuna will be trine uranus in 1 *something* and maybe another unexpected connection will occur related to the house of friends, pars being in his third...the local neighbourhood.

As to where I found the goods>...a plastic bag containing clothes just sitting on the footpath...in the bush on the vacant lot a few more things scattered...personal papers, and the passport...application for new one....etc...
Cheers Lillyjgc

[Liquid Green]

I was thinking about a robbery or mugging...........but i didnt know where to look for that in a chart......it just fits with there being no wallet....

but now that you talk about a PLASTIC BAG..........perhaps the man wasnt so "together".......not many people would keep a passport in a plastic bag......unless they were, down and out , possibly......but this is just my intuition.

[Liquid Green]

can i ask if he was from a english speaking country.........

[Liquid Green]

could the 3rd rule a backpackers?

[Moulin]

So are we looking for a foreigner wearing only underpants?

[lillyjgc]

The man is Irish.
Yes the third COULD rule a backpackers...but we dont have one here. I would think third house could rule short car trip- local neighbourhood....but a passport is paperwork so mercury also rules personal papers and thats why mercury is on the MC...its at the highest point...
I take your point about the clothes being in a plastic bag...it was very unusual.Old tattered clothes....if it hadnt been for the passport I'd have just thought someone dropped their washing on the way to the laundromat! It was the passport that drew my attention.
To update: The stranger gave some of the documents to the police. I still have the passport and clothes-(I didnt want to hand over a passport to someone I didnt know!) The police rang but havent been to collect the stuff yet! Keystone cops here I'm afraid! No-ones reported their passport missing at this stage.
lillyjgc
Lillyjgc

[lillyjgc]

Moulin: EXACTLY!!!!!! AN Irishman wearing only his knickers and socks....Someone must've noticed SOMETHING!!!
Lillyjgc

[Moulin]

haha !!

Sometimes a rich imagination can be damaging to one's health

I could understand if there was a bag of clothes with no passport as maybe he just didn't want them anymore... but a passport is not something you just throw on the roadside.

Mind you, if he was attacked then surely the attacker would steal the passport.

Interesting... unless it is simply a case that he had had a few guinness's and forgot the passport was in the plastic bag?

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Moulin: EXACTLY!!!!!! AN Irishman wearing only his knickers and socks....Someone must've noticed SOMETHING!!!
Lillyjgc

[Liquid Green]

I have worked in several backpackers in my time.......I have heard about passports being thrown away in attempts to get work........new passports dont get old stamps and visas........something to say to potential employers.....if there was never a working visa to begin with.....just a thought....

I reckon the local publican could tell you the most about an irish traveller!

[lillyjgc]

UPDATE: The mystery of the half naked Irishman is solved.

Following on from Liquids advice, a visit to the pub! And yes, the man was identified from there....he is now reunited with his belongings and yes he was very worried about the passport!
The goods were stolen from his locked vehicle and dumped where I found them, not far from where he was staying.
The moons past square to mars in h2 shows the theft.Without his passport he could not go anywhere, hence his ruler is void in the eighth but in sag,where it is concerned with 9th house matters-appropriate to the situation.
I'm still trying to work out what showed he'd be reunited with his goods...an applying trine from jupiter to saturn might be it...sag being ruler of him in the chart and mercury, ruler of the possessions being ruled by saturn (Aquarius on the MC) He had indeed been *staying with friends* when his car was broken into...the clothes in the bag WERE his washing!!!Passport in car because he was in process of renewing it when this happened.
so yes, he is alive. And relieved! And at the pub as we speak!
Cheers and thanx to all who participated!
lillyjgc
So by the look of it we all got a bit right here!

[Liquid Green]

Thats hilarious Lilly.
Did he buy you a drink?

[lillyjgc]

No drink.
But thats ok-I dont drink...
Ahhh, the luck of the Irish!!!! This one was even ruled by lucky old jupiter in the chart!
Lillyjgc

[Liquid Green]

Luck of the Irish alright.........did ya tell him a few girls online from as far as london helped to get his passport back to him?....no doubt a story to tell over a couple of guinesses!

Horary online hey! If only everyone knew how useful it can be at times!