Reading children's horoscopes yes or no

[Liquid Green]

what classroom is she in at 2 and a half??????????????

I wonder how your going to feel when your daughter takes her time at one of her milestones?

I personally think its too early (and somewhat detrimental) looking at her chart just yet, and i think with your anxiousness already, it could be escalated, if someone was to read her chart.

I, as a mother had to decide not to really read my sons chart, as I didnt want what i found out to affect his chance of just 'being the child he is'.

I think it is good to be able to understand your childs character for when they go to school etc, but at this age your daughter just needs your love and support and that will make more differnece in her life than fi you were to know about her chart. I reckon you should let her slowly unravel who she is in her own time.

Best of luck......motherhood is such a blessing!

[Moulin]

I agree with LG about the school thingy

[Purplemaze]

Hi Liquid,

By classroom I am refering to daycare.

i think with your anxiousness already

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I am not in anyway shape or form anxious regarding her development or her for that matter. I was looking at her chart initially because of another question I asked in which I was refered that a look at her chart might help in determining a question I asked.

but at this age your daughter just needs your love and support and that will make more differnece in her life than fi you were to know about her chart. I reckon you should let her slowly unravel who she is in her own time.

She has actually been getting a TON of support and encouragement to be who she is going to be, especially by me. I have never tried to stop her from exploring her environment and deeply encourage her to be who she's gonna be, especially seeing as how that opportunity was not available to me growing up. She has done all of those things NOT through initiation from me or her father, but through initiation of her own and our encouragement and support of her when we see her making her own path somewhere. Of course we make sure she doesn't doesn't play in the street.

SO with all that said, my initial question, as you will see, was not regarding who she was going to be, or my attempts to manipulate her there, but MY role in who she is going to be. I saw something that didn't mesh with what i know I do as a parent and wished to explore that further, especially in my attempts to learn astrology period. I then went on to inquire into things I see her doing on her own for the sole intent purpose that I am truly in awe of my daughter as she is now and very proud of who she is, advanced milestones or not.

You are correct. Motherhood is an extreme blessing and I feel blessed every day to have my little one in my life. I wouldn't go back to change the most hellish **** in life just because I know that one day it would all lead to the most terrific child a mother could ask for. She in all her mischief

[Purplemaze]

Hi Shining Ray,

Thanks. I think the strong objection may be to how I worded things. It may have been mistakenly taken that I have forced my daughter into doing things early and have high expectations for her and thus not allowing her to be who she is naturally going to be in life. However again I point out..my daughter did not achieve any of these advancements of milestones through pushing on my part. These behaviors were initiated by her. She achieved them because I refused to allow anyone to stop her when she showed an interest in something.

But at any rate yes I would still like to know.

[Liquid Green]

'She has actually been getting a TON of support and encouragement to be who she is going to be, especially by me. I have never tried to stop her from exploring her environment and deeply encourage her to be who she's gonna be.......'quote purplemaze


I guess my thoughts come from the fact that i dont believe children at this age need 'encouragement'............they just need love and security......
my son just has so much life and will.......he doesnt need anything, he's been out exploring the world with only my love of him....(and getting his basic needs met). Obviously I pick up his queues when he wants to do something in paticular....but thats my job....
i hope that is somewhat clear to read.....hard thing to explain... he has this inate will, that seems to me to be the only encouragement that is true, and that I believe i shouldnt touch that at all .........yet!

Each to there own though, Purplemaze.........I hold no resentment to you at all or anything like that.......I guess i should say that i have seen some pretty bizarre requests from mothers on another forum and i guess that has dampened my attitude somewhat.......

Thanks for allowing this space Shining Ray.......................

[Purplemaze]

I edited this becase it was my very long winded way of saying, I understand where you're coming from but intentions were only to clarify for learning purposes what I had read and about my behavior towards her. I also specifically asked about things concerning her which were things she was displaying on her own. In other words through no maniplation on her part to make her do these things becase of some unreasonable expectation I have that she be better than others. Because she was displaying these unusal things on her own, I simply wanted to know what in her chart indicated her disposition for doing these things...again on her own initiative. I didn't actually post with the intent to do anything other than be able to see in her chart (and anyone else's for that matter) some of these things that indicates, for instance, her natural inclination towards music, or her natural inclination towards arts...etc. Like Shining Ray I have seen nothing but supportive comments concerning children's chart. So I was a bit surprised at the debate this turned into but have realized that next time I need to be a little more careful in A) how I word things, and B) what coffee said

[Purplemaze]

Oh yeah, and the reason I was even looking at her chart in the first place was in response to another question I asked regarding more children (following a phone call). Without a birth time for my husband to do a proper synastry, I was told I could get some further information into the question as well by looking at my daughter's chart for her siblings. That was how I came to analyzing her chart in the first place. As I'm new to astrology, I was a bit all over the place on her chart.

[Ebenia]

If your child is still 2,5 years old, I feel that you cannot completely talk about your relationship as it would be any other relationship with two adult people. At this point, you cannot say, what your baby's feelings are about you, you cannot tell what kind of personality she has (cause it will take form completely in about ages 18-25) and what your relationship is - now your relationship is a adult and baby - relationship. Not a relationship of two thinking, feeling, understanding people. And do not get me wrong, I don't say that your baby is not thinking or feeling etc - but at this age, baby's psychology and mind has not even formed yet. She is so young that her brain are not in the state that she could form proper memories. How can you then talk about relationship, like you know completely what it is? Relationship is about two people - now your relationship is growing all the time from provider/baby -theme to complete adult relationship. But it is not like that now.

That's why I don't think it is really proper to say what you think your relationship is now, no-one of you has a clue what the baby thinks (not the baby herself, either you :P)...

Of course it is interesting and enlightening to look these charts, but it is not very idealistic to talk about relationship, when it involves a baby with wants and needs (not thoughts) and full grown adult, who has all the power in her hands. So it is not a relationship to really discuss about - yet.

[Purplemaze]

HI Ebenia,

I have to disagree with you about not being able to talk about relationships regardless of her age. At her age yes she does have a relationship worth being able to talk about. Now what that relationship will grow to be when she gets older is another story entirely true, as she is growing and developing all the time. However lunar pisces did point out things concerning our relationship and how I interact with her NOW that are very untrue which I felt the need to explain, again, does NOT describe the CURRENT relationship between my daughter and myself.

She is a thinking feeling child who, while she may not remember 2 years of age in the future, she sure remembers it now (I myself astounded my own mother by asking her about events that took place when I was about my daughters age). She is very much allowed to express herself, within reason of course. I do do my motherly duties and stop her from burning down the house when she decides the stove might be a great playtoy, but otherwise I largely respect her development of herself. She has things she likes and things she doesn't like. As long as nobody loses an eye over self-expression I'm pretty chill about her.

So I have been attempting to make this one point very clear: Regardless of what astrology says I will continue to raise my daughter to the best of my ability, but right now what at least one person has said does not mesh with my current parenting style so I choose to take what was said as a warning of what could happen if I slip up and forget the very important lessons of respect, even if she is just a child she deserves it too and home is where we learn those lessons.

I think we just have very different ideas on what type of relationship is at issue here and it needs to be very clear that I am not speaking of her in an adult manner. But yes it is very appropriate to speak of a relationship with her. I am, after all, a relative and I do have a mother daughter relationship with my daughter. Relationships are built with each and every person we come into contact with. THe nature of that relationship depends on who we are interacting with. I may be speaking a very different tune when she turns 13 (she's already a handful now..I continue to hold out hope for a calm teenager :38: )

I think I can talk about her feelings with some certainty. I know when she's sad cause she's crying or standing there looking hurt. I know when she's mad and pisses as heck cause contrary to another statement made, I have a bundle of energy here and she does not hold back when she's mad. And of course the tantruming two's. Many parents, myself included, do teach kids at this age to identify their feelings (I see that your're sad, can I give you a hug? or are you feeling angry? I see that you're angry but it's not okay to kick the cat, *p.s. we don't have a cat). They show feelings from the time they're born and as they get older they mature into learning what they are and how to deal with them. So yes I know my daughter is happy with mommy because she laughs, smiles and give the best hugs and kisses. I know she's pissed at me cause she won't give me the time of day if I've pissed her off. In those instances I go to my corner she goes to hers and when she's ready to talk or interact again, i'm there. *Again that stubborn streak*

So again I would like to point out that nothing stated below is any indication of my relationship with my daughter now but I am very aware of the changing needs of our interaction with each other as she gets older and there's always the potential that despite my best efforts, she will alienate herself from me, or we may grow up to have the closest of relationships. Time will tell. I am a parent, I am human, I make mistakes like everybody else, learn and keep going. End of story!

My original question regarding what an aspect in my daughter's natal chart has been answered and again a simple yes or no served the purpose of both identifying that I am on the right road to understanding astrology, and to keep down the path that I already am because the alternative is not something I wish on my daughter.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this post. It has all been very insightful but now i'm on to other things! Hope this year is a blessed one for all.

[Skywalker]

I would suggest to get an alternative answer outside of the zodiacal system by asking other parents. Try this link: goodparentclub.com

[Purplemaze]

Hi Skywalker,

My initial question pertained to reading a chart, and in particular, a certain aspect in her chart and the reading of the chart intially occurred because I was trying to determine her siblings in response to a prophecy from a friend that my husband and I were going to have another boy.

One of the problems when posts get moved is you don't get the full context of the original question If you travel to the post I started entitled "say it aint so" you'll see why asking other parents doesn't quite apply in the true context of this thread

[Purplemaze]

Hi Shining Ray,

I totally understood the need for the thread to be moved and in no way was complaining .

[Purplemaze]

Although I suppose the use of the word "problem" didn't really convey that huh? :38:

[Purplemaze]

LOL Shinning Ray! Wohoo. I am now able to go dream sweet dreams. This is most definitely my night. Beat my husband and Brother at a game, and the baby girl actually went to bed at a decent hour. If I didn't know better I'd swear it was my birthday or something :38: You have a great night!

[Nexus7]

I take it you mean interpreting a child's chart as opposed to reading for them?

I remember doing a reading at a fair for a woman wo was having a moderately difficult time at work and at home - there was a transit Saturn to Venus (very often there were transits such as these ongoing.) Suddenly, it became clear her 11-year-old wanted to be read for too - he was very keen.

I did not discuss his potentials or destiny, other than saying that he was clearly a bright lad with a lotof natural curiosity about the world, which should be good for school learning. However, I did notice that there were some difficult Saturn transits in his chart too, with his progressed Moon with a difficult transit to a natal Moon/Pluto conjunction, so I then asked 'if he had a had some kind of a loss.'

There was lots of emphatic nodding, it seemed a much-loved pet had recently died and there had already been difficult experiences of losses of this kind. So for the rest of the time I talked about he need to find ways of coming to terms with the losses and that there can sometimes be regressvie behaviour etc before the thing is worked through.

My point is that it should be possibleto discuss a chart in a case like this in a way that is hepefully some use. Children have difficult transits and progressions too and the need to make some kind of sense of these, so it should be possibleto focus on thse specific areas wherever they emerge without painting a picture to the parents whatthe child is 'supposed to be like' in ways that may limit or distort the way the parent sees the child.

I have seen plenty of ambitious parents though who seem to ant to 'push' child before it is even out of nappies - to talk English fluently before the age of 1, o be a genius at maths at 2, and so on. There maybe are the reasons to leave a child's chart alone.

Finall, I also came across a case study discussed by the popular anti-psychiatrist, Dorothy Rowe. She had a young woman come to her 'because she did not know who she was.' It transpired that her astrologer mother kept on hammering home to her who she was supposed to be, as a Leo, that is, a Sun Leo.

If she was going to someone like Dorothy Rowe, then itis clear that this approach was far from enlightening and that to me is an example where an insenstive approach could do real damage, IMO. I wrote an article on my website where I ouched upon this story, I di think it is important to be aware of the areas where too mch astrlogising may be less than therapeutic.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Hmm. I dunno. If you were in India, the astrologer's would likely be the first stop you make after buying diapers. And seriously... if the doctors at the hospital did a batch of blood tests as a matter of course, then released the baby and said "we'll tell you the results in 16 years or so" wouldn't that be a little odd?

Just a thought...