Capricorn Stellium In 5th House?....Help

[SubTone]

Hello all? Can someone please take a look at my chart to help me identify shapes in my chart?

I have a Capricorn Stellium in the 5th House the planets Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are involved.

Also.

Another Stellium is with Saturn Uranus and Fortune (cap, cap, sag)

Then I have a Grand Cross with Pluto, Pallas, Midheaven (sco, aqu, tau)

not to mention these those 5th house planets are Retrograde along with Venus...

My 11th house is packed with Mercury and Venus as well. Part Of Fortune has alot of square/opposition aspects towards it too. Moon is Square to all the planets in the 5th house.

I'm not sure how to interpret this, or relate it towards my career towards being an indie Hip-Hop producer.

I'd appreciate any and all help.

- Tone

[lillyjgc]

Sub tone: When I calculated your chart it puts 14 01 Leo on asc. Daylight saving was in place on your birthday...did you factor that in? I will await your reply before I plunge into your chart...Lillyjgc

[SubTone]

No this chart wasn't drawn up with DST.

But since it was inplace on my birthday. You can factor it in. It was something I forgot to factor in.

[wilsontc]

Lilly,

Although the Astrodienst chart doesn't show it, the time is CDT. I checked it on Astrolabe and another site and they all get the same chart, which Astrolabe labeled "CDT".

Checking on Astro.com,

Tim

[wilsontc]

Tone,

You said:

house is packed...relate it towards my career towards being an indie Hip-Hop producer

To keep things simple, I suggest taking out everything that isn't a planet from your chart. If we do that, there is only one house that has enough planets in it that it could be called "packed". That house is the 5th house (self-expression, also performing arts). So the strong focus on 5th house things indicates an interest in the performing arts. Since Uranus (friends, also rebellion) is in the 5th house, there is some "rebellion" in the way you are interested in performing arts. This seems to fit with your career.

Careering,

Tim

[SubTone]

Even if I take all the asteroids out. Retrograde Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are still in the 5th House (Capricorn).

I'll draw up another chart to make it easier on the eyes to read lol.

[SubTone]

[lillyjgc]

http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t...nt=subtone.jpg

Here is the link to the corrected chart...I will start on this soon, but if anyone else wants to take a look...feel free....best wishes, Lillyjgc

[SubTone]

thanks alot.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

[wilsontc]

Lilly,

Your chart lists Nashville as "EDT". Nashville time is "CDT". That is why you have an incorrect Ascendant.

Correcting,

Tim

[lillyjgc]

wilsontc, Thanx. I haven't got time to go check all that out at the moment and am happy to work with the chart subtone has posted...When I posted the link I didn't actually notice your previous post ..i wasn't ignoring it.

Now, Subtone, for my take on your very complicated chart..(which, btw, I don't think can just be summed up in a paragraph)...
Firstly I see Leo on the ascendant...this certainly draws attention to house 5 matters, and describes you as someone who would like to be centre stage and may in fact be quite successful, careerwise.The sun rules Leo and is well placed in house 10, strengthened by its angular position, the separating square to mars (in h7 -opponents) giving you the competitive edge but perhaps an argumentative nature...mars can be difficult in h7 but in pisces mars is greatly weakened....but as mars is in jupiters sign it too connects to the house 5 situation...so an enemy generated through h5 could cause a lot of trouble for you at some point in life- when heavy transits occur.

The sun makes a semi-sextile to the MC so you may find success initially comes easily and with the help of powers that be.A vigintile aspect from the sun to jupiter is a helpful aspect but again connects the sun to the house 5....
Sun in Gemini shows you shine in a mercurial way- a career involving speaking or use of technology...but the sun in gemini also bespeaks fragile health, and moderation in your dietary/lifestyle choices is recommended...Many job changes are likely throughout your life.
The sun is trine the moon in libra, in house 2, so you probably have good self esteem and earn money through creative pursuits that enables you to have aesthetically pleasing possessions....Moon in Libra describes a pleasant temperament and an artistic mind...sensitive, gentle, but vacillating.
The moon is quincunx mars....an inability to see where other person is coming from...

as Jupiter seems to be a big player in your chart and could well determine many of the big events that occur in your life,we shall look there- to house 9...in the house that mars rules.Jupiter is past an opposition to pluto but I would say still within orb enough to cause concern...Pluto, residing in H3, ruled by venus, does indicate the potential for mental transformation, but because jupiter is opposed to it it can indicate dogmatic, over zealous ideas....or a preoccupation with sex or death..i don't like to see the ruler of your fifth in the ninth opposed by pluto..it suggests *battles to the death* in the legal arena- and not necessaril started by you- it bespeaks danger travelling in foreign countries and can represent false claims, or false representation.

The fifth house is not only the house of creative pursuits....it is also about your romantic/sexual experiences, and the creation of children.This is where I think the opposition of venus to everything in that stellium will play the biggest role....
In fact, the stellium of mercury chiron and venus opposing the H5 stellium is pretty huge.
Taking them one by one:

Mercury opp Saturn inhibits true self expression, but it does slow down the mental processes...Expanding the mind by further study will lessen the aspects negative effects- but be careful what you say- and be carteful what you write or sign. Always get a second opinion....getting out of legal contracts that do not serve you well could be a recurring theme.
Mercury opposite uranus can really trigger originality and be rather ingenious and resourceful, but can also give a turn of speech that is abrupt...rude even, although the gentle libran moon may soften that somewhat.Should you have children you may need to adopt a new way of expressing yourself- merc opp uranus can be a very erratic and ungrounded energy...sudden losses and as it is in the house of children and lovers....
There is a danger of you being too parental, too controlling in love affairs, too needy perhaps.Mercury sesisquadrate Pluto also suggests a tendency to get too carried away with your own ideas, to the exclusion of others' interests...Avoid getting involved with religious cults or unusual sects....big losses and troubles are indicated in that arena.

There may be a tendency to blow things out of proportion, especially in love matters. You need to be very selective of those you choose as friends and associates...at least one friend will become your known enemy.Love relationships may grow out of friendships for you but be careful here- in many cases the friendship will be lost when the romance ends (suddenly)
Mercury is square the node which suggests you are out of step with your fellow travellers at times....how you COMMUNICATE and WHAT you communicate will be crucial...with the moon square neptune you must aim for truthfulness to partners and children...You have a gifted imagination- to be used ethically because the H3/H9 affliction indicates ethical issues will be paramount.

Venus in cancer is shy, needy sometimes.When venus and Uranus oppose love affairs begin with a bang and end with a bang (sometimes literally!) Try not to say cruel things you don't mean in the heat of the moment...Being SINCERE is the challenge- and thinking before you lash out.Venus is trine mars which gives you a good yin/yang balance, but opposite Saturn which can be very cold and ungiving. Repressed emotions will cause health problems for you....learning the art of stillness will help to cultivate a calmer way of being.
Study the thoughts of peaceful men.

The conjunction of saturn to uranus can give great inspiration and a constructive self expression...you arte probably a very *individual* person...and rebellious....As saturn also rules your sixth house the effects of the oppositional stelliums will carry over into your health. At some point in life you may have to be deprived of your liberty to deal with a major health matter- born of mental breakdown issues that affect health adversely in a physical sense as well. Some call it a "nervous breakdown" and some a *nervous breakthrough*- much depends on what you make of the experience..

Jupiter is in taurus, right on the mc so the stellium in h5 is directly linked to your role in the world and a strong need to keep an open mind and be aware how you come across to others in the work place...and especially as a parent. As H10 is also authority you may have been bullied by your father but should make a definite commitment to breaking that pattern when you have children of your own.There is a real danger of being overbearing, and boastful with this placement which will surely result in a fall from grace.As Jupiter is square your asc you need to be focussed on not being too materialistic or full of your own ideas trying to impose them on others...The ideas may be brilliant but so much will depend on how you prersent yourself and how open to criticism you are...with venus in cancer you may not show your true feelings.

Chiron is in this too- in a big way- the wounded one and the wound itself- in house 11- friends.groups. Hopes and wishes. in Cancer, the moon in house 2-self esteem...maybe overcompensation for always being ignored or put down- strong resistance to hearing things you don't wanna know.Easily hurt so people might not bother to set you straight sometimes.The two stelliums T-square into that moon.Your feelings. Your self worth.In libra with only a separating trine to the sun to help....money may come and go ..too much going out to H5 and H11..nothing much coming in...Other people's money is also ruled by jupiter which suggests you won't have much access and may also have to pay out large amounts to others....

I haven't looked at aspects to house cusps or asteroids...someone else might like to comment there....But Subtone (great name!) All the best. lillyjgc
PS NEVER gamble, OK? You will lose.

[lillyjgc]

Wilson TC. Now I have looked. My program says Nashville had daylight savings that year.There are two entries of data for Nashville- both have same time diff from GMT. I suggest you check again- this program has not had any wrong data in it before...it doesn't compute day to night differences to pars...as far as I know that's the only problem with it.I have found it to be more accurate than astrodienst charts or astrolab...As I didn't look into house cusp aspects it hasnt greatly affected my reading of the chart. All other charts I've drawn up using info provided on the forum have been correct according to my program. When I drew up the chart it came up as the same as subtones but a prompt reminded me DAYLIGHT SAVING had to be included. I have double checked and can see no evidence of an error on my part. Lillyjgc

[SubTone]

You pretty much summed it up Lilly.

Thanks alot. lol... "rebellious" heard that one alot. Most of that was due to me not being mentally equipped with how to channel my "restless energy" always had "needs to use time wisely" on my report cards lol.. dietary and love issues are on point as well..

Anyone else can shed light...please do.

- Tone

[gaer]

Originally Posted by lillyjgc

Wilson TC. Now I have looked. My program says Nashville had daylight savings that year.

This is what Astrodienst says:

Nashville: Time Zone: 5 h west, Daylight Saving T.

However, this is very confusing if you don't understand what they are doing. It's actually 6 hours west, +6 for the time zone, but then with one hour subtracted for DST, +6-1, so the net is 5 hours, the same as EST in the winter.

I use Astrolog, which is capable of giving me some nasty wrong results based on my wrong information. I have to be very careful. It's very math (maths!) oriented, so it expects you to know all this. I have to put in +6 for the time zone, then click on "yes" for DST, and I have to be very careful to get in the right lat/lon. When I get it right, it agrees with other more "automatic" programs.

I get an AC of 26Leo14, which agrees with the chart SubTone posted.

There are two entries of data for Nashville- both have same time diff from GMT. I suggest you check again- this program has not had any wrong data in it before...it doesn't compute day to night differences to pars...as far as I know that's the only problem with it.I have found it to be more accurate than astrodienst charts or astrolab...

I think it's very accurate, and normally any chart you've done agrees with my results to within a minute. Are you absolutely sure you have chosen both CST and Daylight, both? I can only get your results by using EST and Daylight, because it results in a net time difference of +4 instead of +5 hours.

This is the first time any chart of yours has not agreed with my results, which I always double-check against Astrodienst. Normally all three give me the same answer (yours, mine, Astrodients)!

As you know, I once spent two hours trying to figure out why my program was wrong only to find out that I had entered an incorrect long, east instead of west.

There should be no major problems, as you pointed out, since very little of what you wrote will change if the wheel is rotated an hour.

All the best,

Gaer

PS: Back later for a look at the chart myself.

[gaer]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

To keep things simple, I suggest taking out everything that isn't a planet from your chart. If we do that, there is only one house that has enough planets in it that it could be called "packed". That house is the 5th house (self-expression, also performing arts).

True, although many people consider the POF (pars fortuna) as very important, and I would at least give strong consideration to the fact that it conjuncts Uranus/Saturn, although it is in a different sign.

Neptune is too far away to be conjunct, but it does seem to add to the energy symbolically.

In addition, Chiron is given strong consideration by many people who do not use asteroids, regardless of exactly what it is by astronomical definition, so including it gives a triple conjunction in the very beginning of the 11th house.

I am drawn to the energy from the 11th to the 5th, all those oppositions and conjunctions forming a "mystic triangle" if we include the Asc. along with Mars.

So the strong focus on 5th house things indicates an interest in the performing arts. Since Uranus (friends, also rebellion) is in the 5th house, there is some "rebellion" in the way you are interested in performing arts. This seems to fit with your career.

I would say rebellion goes much deeper than that, as I believe Lilly pointed out. Uranus conjunct Saturn is rebellion against the establishment, tradition, in general, and with this opposing Mercury/Venus it's very personal. The position of Mars makes me think that it might work well, since Mars is sex/trine to the opposing planets.

We'll have to get SubTone's feedback, but if he's conservative about many things, I will be very shocked.

Gaer

[SubTone]

LOL...conservative...

Yea...dissatisfied with the current situation....seems to be the soundtrack of my thoughts.

That dissatisfication applies to the music business, cultural issues, projection of images via mass media....everything...oh and the school system.

LOL.. I would change it all at the same time if I could..

[gaer]

Lilly,

Let me do this as if we were talking about the chart:

Firstly I see Leo on the ascendant...this certainly draws attention to house 5 matters, and describes you as someone who would like to be centre stage and may in fact be quite successful, careerwise.

Let's add to that. With Capricorn on the 5th house cusp and Saturn there, in its own sign, this actually could be a practical placement for making money from music, a TOUGH thing to do.

The sun rules Leo and is well placed in house 10, strengthened by its angular position,

And with Jupiter so close to the MC!

the separating square to mars (in h7 -opponents) giving you the competitive edge but perhaps an argumentative nature...mars can be difficult in h7 […]

Mars is very powerful in its placement. Mars is considered weak or not at home in Pisces, as you pointed out, because it is an action, direct energy in the most "diffused" sign, and square to the Sun does point towards arguments, in the 7th house especially in relationships, highighted by opposition AC, but sextile Uranus, Saturn and POF AND trine Mars, Chiron, Mercury AND with a weak trine to Pluto, this guy is going to get his way a lot of the time, and with Moon in Libra, (biquintile Mars) he may use charm to mask the force. I wonder if people sometimes think he is an Aries, or if some of the descriptions of Aries and Aquarius seem especially fitting to him.

SubTone, Lilly is very specific. I tend to generalize, but I think we are probably thinking the same thing. Even with Mars so well positioned, the position of the oppositions from your 11th to your 5th house make me mention much the same thing. Be very careful that your strong will and your non-traditional viewpoints do not bring you into open conflict with other people, especially those in authority who are in a position to damage you. I have personal experience in running head-first into people in authority, and I have narrowly escaped "shooting off my own foot" in the process.

Gaer

[lillyjgc]

Everyone: Just to clarify, in fact my program has THREE options for Tennessee.time zones.and one of them is 6h (without daylight sav time) I chose the 5h option thinking subtones chart hadnt included dst but it had after all, so I'm glad my program hasn't made the error...I did....thanks Gaer, for explaining it to me.Phew. However, nothing really changes re my delineation as i havent looked at house cusp aspects (yet)...these can show connections that fill in missing parts of the puzzle.Hope we have helped you understand that rather complex interplay of planetary action in your chart....wish you all the best with your music career....I'm sure you are capable of being very original...a good tool to work with...best wishes, lillyjgc

[SubTone]

Ok guys.. I have a few more personality issues..lol

I need self-discipline but based on my chart what are your opinions on what *style* of learning/discipline would fit me best?

Another personal note... I have a tendancy to become impatient and speed read if a subject doesnt interest me or if I feel it is *taking too long* to get to the point.... But I'm only 19 so, I got tons of time to learn, just wish to find a process for me to grow into.

very bad influence where ever it comes from.

I have Sagittarius on the cusp of the 5th house, Jupiter Aries in the 9th house. can someone interpret this?

[gaer]

Originally Posted by SubTone

Ok guys.. I have a few more personality issues..lol

I need self-discipline but based on my chart what are your opinions on what *style* of learning/discipline would fit me best?

My opinion: you will find it almost impossible to learn anything that does not interest you. You probably have a very quick mind, think very quickly, and my experience from both sides, teacher and student, is that if information is not given to us at a rate that feels comfortable, we "rebels" tune out. People who think fast tend to "go off somewhere else" when things get slow. They are often mis-diagnosed as having learning problems, attention deficit, when the fault is really the system.

I think your mind will also rebel if you are in a class taught by someone who is at all "dictatorial".

One-on-one or a very small group would be best, the teacher is critical (must be open-minded), and you may find that you learn well on your own. (I do.)

I have Uranus trine Mercury, an easier aspect, but even so I think "out of the box" and have great problems dealing with people who I consider to be "sheep".

In your case, what you think and feel are very closely linked (Venus conjunct Mercury), so you have to love what you are learning, and both are in opposition to Uranus (attracted to an interested in the unusual, non-traditional), and Saturn is right there, conjunct or opposing all those planets (struggles with authority).

Your stellium (three or more planets in the same sign) is in Capricorn, but the cusp there, Sag, and the cusp of your 11th, Gemini, would tend to emphasize your being rather open about expressing yourself verbally, artistically, etc.

Gaer

[SubTone]

BRILLIANT. lol...yea...hit it right on.

I'm in an adult school at the moment.. HS didnt go too well, passed all my classes but failed the Gov test the Gateway Algebra

Long story short I'm learning in a 1-on-1 enviroment with a teacher. Nice quiet class etc...actually LEARNING math instead of *trying to graduate*

lol at sheep...

Yea I do have to feel what I think...it seems that translates strongly to how i make music.