saturns curse

[Hades]

i could use some insight

im a libra with saturn in libra, every woman ive ever been with has had saturn transiting their seventh house. or when saturn was in my seventh house i was dating a capricorn.....that relationship ended painfully, im sure most of you understand that saturn transiting the seventh usually indicates a divorce

i was with a scorpio who had saturn transiting through taurus, the relationship ended for what reasons im not sure. lack of interest i guess

then i was with two sagittarians, not at the same time, but while saturn was in gemini....those two relationships ended. one of them was because of religious differences.

recently i was with two aquarians, saturn is in leo, so i guess you guys can make the connection from here.
one of these aquarians was extremely close to me. we got along so well and our natal charts seemed to suit each others so well i figured we were meant to be. from what books ive read our charts seemed to indicate we were soul mates. thats an arragont cheesy thing to claim i know. now i never told her this because she was religious, like the sagittarian but, she moved because of her career oppurtunities(jupiter was in her 10th at the time)

it ended, i wasnt financially capable of going with her plus i was deeply insecure about getting too close to her. i'd rather it ended the way it did instead of her losing attraction or becoming bored with me.

so......my question is, being a libra with saturn in libra, and saturn seemingly representing me....IS THIS GOING TO BE A CONSISTENT PATTERN? WILL I KEEP RUNNING INTO WOMEN WITH A TRANSITING SATURN IN THEIR SEVENTH HOUSE? WILL EVERY RELATIONSHIP I HAVE END IN A SIMILAR FASHION?
i am moving back to australia where i have an old girlfriend who was only a friend, but shes a pisces and saturn is about to move into virgo, her 7th, and iam looking forward to seeing her as we were always good friends and i was always attracted to her......

any insight is greatly appreciated

[starlink]

Hades, I have NO idea without a chart of yours, but from what you are telling, this is indeed most peculiar AND interesting to know. Maybe it also happens with people who have Uranus in the 7th or in Libra. The moment someone else is having an Uranus transit going through their 7th or sign of Libra, they maybe are for that specific period especially attracted to other human beings who have this placement in their natal charts. Who knows, maybe you discovered a new astrological progression technique regarding relationships!! As soon as I am getting super attracted to some guy (in the future I mean), I will ask him if he by any chance has Uranus going through his 7th or Libra. I have Uranus in the 7th you see. I will also check the day I met my recent partner, see if he had Uranus going through his 7th at that time. I hope things will go well with the Pisces girl!! Cheers, S.

[archergirl]

Hi, and bear in mind, this is the HORARY forum, not the natal forum! Please do try to post in the relevant place.

Administrator...?

[sskohli]

Hey Hades,
Interesting, but please post your birth details so we can look deeper into this.
(**** am i gonna be flamed for supporting the ques..moderator..could you put this in the apt location)

sandeep

[freedomlover]

Yes, Hades, please post your natal data, and or chart!

I had some thoughts, but wanted to see the rest of the chart before I posted. I knew you had been here for awhile, so I checked for other threads that might contain your birth data. In your "Jupiter" thread, you stated your birth data as 10-7-80 in Provo, UT with a 6am birthtime. I entered that and got a 25*Virgo AC, with Saturn in Libra in the 1st, not 7th. Did you mean 6PM?

However, I can tell you that whatever house your Saturn truly falls in, you have Juno exact conjunct your Saturn by 21 minutes. So, that explain alot right there.

[starlink]

Hello Hades, Archer Girl is right, this is indeed the horary department (I did not even notice when answering your question). So next time have a good look first. I know, lots of others make the same mistake.

[Hades]

Originally Posted by starlink

Hades, I have NO idea without a chart of yours, but from what you are telling, this is indeed most peculiar AND interesting to know. Maybe it also happens with people who have Uranus in the 7th or in Libra. The moment someone else is having an Uranus transit going through their 7th or sign of Libra, they maybe are for that specific period especially attracted to other human beings who have this placement in their natal charts. Who knows, maybe you discovered a new astrological progression technique regarding relationships!! As soon as I am getting super attracted to some guy (in the future I mean), I will ask him if he by any chance has Uranus going through his 7th or Libra. I have Uranus in the 7th you see. I will also check the day I met my recent partner, see if he had Uranus going through his 7th at that time. I hope things will go well with the Pisces girl!! Cheers, S.

hey thanks for reading my long and wacky dilemma,

ive always noticed whenever i or a friend meets a new girlfriend or boyfriend, theres almost always an obvious transit of a planet through the 5th or 7th house.

for example: if jupiter was about to transit my seventh house, i would most likely meet a sagittarius or someone who was born with jupiter in the first house.
i did have a fling with a cancerian girl a few months ago when mars entered my 5th house, she was born with mars in cancer, her 1st house.

the stars always tell you whats going on.....but sometimes they throw a curve ball

[Hades]

Originally Posted by archergirl

Hi, and bear in mind, this is the HORARY forum, not the natal forum! Please do try to post in the relevant place.

Administrator...?

im terribly sorry, for putting this in the wrong forum. i figured it was the right place since the subject is about my relationship issues

[freedomlover]

Hades,

Are you going to post your correct natal data? I think it would help the quality of information you receive in your responses.

[Hades]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

Yes, Hades, please post your natal data, and or chart!

I had some thoughts, but wanted to see the rest of the chart before I posted. I knew you had been here for awhile, so I checked for other threads that might contain your birth data. In your "Jupiter" thread, you stated your birth data as 10-7-80 in Provo, UT with a 6am birthtime. I entered that and got a 25*Virgo AC, with Saturn in Libra in the 1st, not 7th. Did you mean 6PM?

However, I can tell you that whatever house your Saturn truly falls in, you have Juno exact conjunct your Saturn by 21 minutes. So, that explain alot right there.

thanks for the info, i didnt know juno was in conjunct with my saturn.

wow, you found my info from an old post. yes thats my birthday...my birth time is somewhere between 5 and 6 am so its somewhat accurate. but i guess i should have said iam a libra with saturn in my first to make it less confusing.
the point im trying to make is that any planet/s that are in your first house seem to represent you. i also have a sun conjunction with pluto and i feel both saturn and pluto have a huge impact on my personality. but because pluto is so slow it doesnt represent me, to other people, as often as saturn does.
jupiter was also in my first, if you go by my ascendant, and i do appear as a foreigner in america because iam australian but i do appear as a foreigner in australia because i have american citizenship, so jupiter may represent me at times but i havent paid too much attention to jupiter.
venus represents me almost always, obviously because im a libra.

i cant seem to upload my chart for some reason

[freedomlover]

Thanks, Hades.

I used 6am, but you said you think it might be earlier? Are you leaning towards a particular time? Closer to 5, or closer to 6 could make a big difference in your chart. Even if you're more sure that it is probably somewhere in the middle helps, because 5:30, then, would probably be more accurate than 5 OR 6. Sorry for the house confusion. The way you worded it, it sounded to me like you were saying you had Saturn transiting through your 7th, too. Just look over me.

But actually, attracting the girls with the 7th house Saturn issues makes more sense with your having it in the 1st. They are mirroring back to you your subconscious beliefs and fears. Also, Saturn represents karmic lessons. Are you conscientious to try to learn what each of these girls has come to teach you? They have each given you a gift, and if received, will get you out of this pattern you're in.

[starlink]

I must admit that I actually never was interested in Juno, Ceres and the rest of them, but this Forum as made me look at all sorts of things I really never integrated (because I get enough info from the basic 10 planets). But I will give it a look. Strangely enough I looked in one of my books today and my eye caught this chapter about Juno and Ceres.So I guess the time is ripe for yet another piece of the puzzle!

[Hades]

Originally Posted by freedomlover

Thanks, Hades.

I used 6am, but you said you think it might be earlier? Are you leaning towards a particular time? Closer to 5, or closer to 6 could make a big difference in your chart. Even if you're more sure that it is probably somewhere in the middle helps, because 5:30, then, would probably be more accurate than 5 OR 6. Sorry for the house confusion. The way you worded it, it sounded to me like you were saying you had Saturn transiting through your 7th, too. Just look over me.

But actually, attracting the girls with the 7th house Saturn issues makes more sense with your having it in the 1st. They are mirroring back to you your subconscious beliefs and fears. Also, Saturn represents karmic lessons. Are you conscientious to try to learn what each of these girls has come to teach you? They have each given you a gift, and if received, will get you out of this pattern you're in.

i think 5:30am is the best time to put for my birth time.

"they are mirroring back to you your subconscious beliefs and fears"
that was well said, i couldnt agree more.....
i think i have learnt alot from all of these relationships and im grateful for everyone....
im curious freedomlover, what site are you using to find the transits of juno and ceres and so on?
i still cant upload my chart for some reason.

starlink,
i agree, i wasnt too fond of juno or the other asteroids significance, but ive noticed chiron has had a huge role in my life recently and ive come to acknowledge them more

[freedomlover]

Hades,
i think 5:30am is the best time to put for my birth time.

"they are mirroring back to you your subconscious beliefs and fears"
that was well said, i couldnt agree more.....
i think i have learnt alot from all of these relationships and im grateful for everyone....
im curious freedomlover, what site are you using to find the transits of juno and ceres and so on?
i still cant upload my chart for some reason.

I will change it to 5:30am then. Thanks.

As to the site, I'm using astro.com. Asteroids are in a box in the lower left. Just click and slide to include however many you want. I used them all - I love asteroids. There are also some threads somewhere in the forum giving step-by-steps on uploading charts. I think they're on "stickys".

[Hades]

thats the site ive been using, i didnt notice the box, thanks

its always good to converse with people who know their stuff, none of my friends have been able to see astrology working in their lives so i rarely get feedback about it.

thanks

[starlink]

Hades, where do you have your Chiron and which aspects does he make with other planets. I have Chiron in 12 in Scorpio (4°), square Saturn at 2° Leo and opposed to Mercury at 2° Taurus. I have no idea what it has done for me to be honest. There is so little written about Chiron (and the others) that I really dont want to rely too much on them (yet). Chiron is associated with healing and suffering (healing others but not being able to heal yourself). So how do I interprete that in my chart? Chiron in Scorpio is apparently a very nasty position to be in but I cannot recall any nastyness in my life. (just my divorce, but OK, I did not expect that to happen after so many years and it was very difficult to accept), but appart from that??? Maybe I have burried all those pains? I cannot remember anything up to being around 18 years and whatever I do seem to remember I dont trust. I think it is because I saw a picture and believe that's why I "remember" that moment. Maybe I should be hypnotized to find out!

[astrobhadauria]

Originally Posted by starlink

Maybe I have burried all those pains? I cannot remember anything up to being around 18 years and whatever I do seem to remember I dont trust. I think it is because I saw a picture and believe that's why I "remember" that moment. Maybe I should be hypnotized to find out!

You are 100 percent accurate,in this matter,I feel it is going in the matters of "Going to Young",the age of fifth house,and there are full time confilcting with eleventh house.

[starlink]

Thanks you Astrobhadauria. Yes, I have a heavy 12th house as well with Moon in T-square with Pluto (my Asc. ruler) and opposed to my Sun. Maybe I can be happy that I do not remember childhood, just some glimpses.

By the way, what happened to that client of yours? (thread: Which illness has this man). You did not come back to that thread anymore.

[unukalhai]

Here's the chart, set for 5:30, midway between 5 and 6am.


It's interesting to note that the 5th house, romance and it's form of expression, is ruled by Saturn, Capricorn on the cusp. As you experience romance through the Capricorn filter of your 5th house, you may very well attract ones with Saturn linkages.

Saturn, in Libra, the sign of relating, is also important.

Also, the progressed chart is quite important, of course. At the beginning of this year, Venus came within 1 degree of conjunction to Saturn in the progressed chart. The exact conjunction within the progressed chart happens new years day 2008.

Major progressions, such as this when a personal planet progresses to conjunct an important personal significator, can have windows of up to several degrees, early 2006 to late 2009 for you using a 2 degree window. I would expect Venus-Saturn interaction to be powerful during this time, especially prior to the exact progressed conjunction in early 2008.

In fact, the influence goes back even further. 3rd quarter 2003 progressing Venus came within 2 degrees of the natal Saturn. This is one reason progressions of inner planets to slower planets last so long.. They start out hitting the natal position, but the slow planet has advanced a few degrees in the progressed chart, so they conjunct in the progressed chart itself several years later. Jupiter and Saturn are most affected by this, as they dont move much but will move a few degrees. Neptune and Pluto, for instance, barely progress, so the progressed-progressed and progress-natal contact happens essentially concurrently, and also shorter as the orbs are tighter for these far-out planets.

In short, will this interaction be forever? No. Are the past few years and next few years important periods of Venus-Saturn? Certainly. You have a chance to better express your Capricorn 5th house, and certainly the progression of Venus to the ruler of your romance-expression house, especially a stability focused planet like Saturn, could very well indicate the start of a lasting bond... So don't worry about all the wrong ones, keep your eyes pealed for the right one and let all the wrong ones go while learning everything you can from these experiences.



Your progressed chart:

[starlink]

And how about that south Node in the 5th!! A lesson to be learned for sure.
A conjunction between Saturn and Venus in the 12th is not easy, it is almost like a double limitation. Saturn blocking the love expressions of Venus and also retreating, self-sacrifice of the 12th on top of it all. And then the Moon as well. A lot of emotional stuff regarding relationships in the progressed chart. A great time to reflect on these matters and hopefully finding a way to solve them. Better times will come!

[Moondance]

Only one comment, because the interpretations others give are very interesting.

Saturn does not represent divorce,IMHO. It represents limits we place on ourselves ( and sometimes from without..). Mars and Uranus are the natural significators of divorce, especially in horary. Saturn transits often mean the end of relationships, but only those we test and find wanting. You should examine all the aspects of Saturn, and remember it is exalted in Libra, the ruler of Venus.

[Hades]

thanks for the insight unukalhai, and everyone else.

im learning alot from the people on this forum. anybody notice my bucket pattern? chiron being the "handle"....much to learn still i suppose

cheers

[unukalhai]

You're welcome So many good points on this thread for sure, always enjoy the diversity of interpretation that comes along on this forum. Excellent learning for everyone

One other thing that seems really significant I should have noticed but slipped by me this morning was your Venus natal position regarding the current Venus RX cycle. You have Venus at 2Virgo53'53, and this year's Venus RX station is at 2Virgo57'23. So, the Venus station is very, very close to your natal Venus. This is a very rare happening, and once-in-a-lifetime transit. On attachment are the Venus stations (both RX and direct stations) from 2000-2050, sorted by position in comma-separated-values format, friendly to almost any spreadsheet application. Only once does a station occur at the same degree of your natal Venus, in just a week or so. Many of us never have Venus stop right on her natal position.

This Venus RX cycle also sees Venus retrograding over Saturn (as seen in the transiting sky), quite synchronistic with your progressed Venus-Saturn contact. All said, it would seem this Venus RX period is a major part of the progressed Venus-Saturn contact you are having, a crescendo you could say. You can use it to realign your values and needs for appreciation (love, relationships, etc) and consider where you are not effectively going after what you need, and what you can do to change this. If you have any loose ends (hurts from breakups that you haven't got over, etc) this RX cycle is a good time to go back and try to find some closure. Some people also find themselves reestablishing old, lost relationships during Venus RX periods, as well.

The other significant part of this is the final pass of Venus over her natal position, October 11th 2007, is a Mercury station on your natal Mercury. Wow, retrogrades have you targeted this year, don't they?! Anyways, this seems to say your mental (Mercury) and social (Venus) cycles have a chance to connect and balance, so certainly be open-minded to changes and redefinition of both your Mercurial and Venusian qualities while considering how they can be best integrated. A simplistic example would be learning to communicate your desires for affection more clearly, which is actually something us folks with 12th house Venuses often need to learn. Certainly my 12th house Venus has had to work on that.

Keep you head up, my friend, these are important times for you. It may not seem like it at the time, but I'll bet you'll look back at these RX periods sometime in the future and realize they were important times in the grand scheme of your experiences.

[starlink]

Hades, yes I noticed, but I do not consider Chiron as a planet with energies that could influence the other planets, so I see your chart pattern as a Bowl, not a Bucket. It is the other planets aspecting Chiron, making for a connection that involve Chironic issues.(healing and suffering because we cannot heal ourselves). Chiron is not changing the energies of the other planets.

[Hades]

Originally Posted by unukalhai

You're welcome So many good points on this thread for sure, always enjoy the diversity of interpretation that comes along on this forum. Excellent learning for everyone

One other thing that seems really significant I should have noticed but slipped by me this morning was your Venus natal position regarding the current Venus RX cycle. You have Venus at 2Virgo53'53, and this year's Venus RX station is at 2Virgo57'23. So, the Venus station is very, very close to your natal Venus. This is a very rare happening, and once-in-a-lifetime transit. On attachment are the Venus stations (both RX and direct stations) from 2000-2050, sorted by position in comma-separated-values format, friendly to almost any spreadsheet application. Only once does a station occur at the same degree of your natal Venus, in just a week or so. Many of us never have Venus stop right on her natal position.

This Venus RX cycle also sees Venus retrograding over Saturn (as seen in the transiting sky), quite synchronistic with your progressed Venus-Saturn contact. All said, it would seem this Venus RX period is a major part of the progressed Venus-Saturn contact you are having, a crescendo you could say. You can use it to realign your values and needs for appreciation (love, relationships, etc) and consider where you are not effectively going after what you need, and what you can do to change this. If you have any loose ends (hurts from breakups that you haven't got over, etc) this RX cycle is a good time to go back and try to find some closure. Some people also find themselves reestablishing old, lost relationships during Venus RX periods, as well.

The other significant part of this is the final pass of Venus over her natal position, October 11th 2007, is a Mercury station on your natal Mercury. Wow, retrogrades have you targeted this year, don't they?! Anyways, this seems to say your mental (Mercury) and social (Venus) cycles have a chance to connect and balance, so certainly be open-minded to changes and redefinition of both your Mercurial and Venusian qualities while considering how they can be best integrated. A simplistic example would be learning to communicate your desires for affection more clearly, which is actually something us folks with 12th house Venuses often need to learn. Certainly my 12th house Venus has had to work on that.

Keep you head up, my friend, these are important times for you. It may not seem like it at the time, but I'll bet you'll look back at these RX periods sometime in the future and realize they were important times in the grand scheme of your experiences.

once again thanks for the valued info, it seems you are aware of whats going on. have you any books you recommend reading? also what site did you use to get the chart you posted in this thread?

your description of likely events regarding venus' rx may prove to be more accurate than you realize, and events like you described have already started happening

thanks again